Tonight on RHOBH we are going to question Kim Richard’s sobriety! What a lovely storyline. Not. WTF is wrong with these people? But first, let’s take her to a wine tasting! On the two hour ride to the spa day, the ladies discuss their lady gardens in intimate detail. As a bunch of grown women are prone to do on road trips. I mean don’t you wonder about the personal grooming of your friends when on the way to the spa?
Vanderpump, Eileen and Brandi get massages in the same room. Brandi mentions herpes. As grown women do when enjoying a spa day. Brandi’s second topic choice is anal. Rinna, Kim and Kyle are in the other room. Rinna and Kyle are over Brandi but Kim is still defending her.
Yolanda is with Gigi in New York. She thrilled over Gigi’s Harper’s Bazaar spread. Bella shows up with headshots later.
Time to take the alcoholic with less than a year sober to the bar again! The sommelier knows Kim is not drinking and prepared her a mango juice, and yet she asks her if she wants to smell the wine. Kim very quietly and discreetly leaves the event. But people go out to check on her and drag her back in. On the ride home the women discuss their sexual fantasies of course. What else is their to talk about other than vaginas? Brandi’s sexual fantasy is about catching her man with another woman. So she can check that off her bucket list. In Brandi’s talking head, she says all the other ladies husbands are cheating. No dear. That was yours. And possibly Kyle’s. Go scratch.
Kim and Kyle go to lunch. Kyle apologizes to Kim about the wine tasting debacle. Kyle says she thought it was a lunch with wine pairings. Kim says the only thing she was pissed out was there was no lunch.
Eileen’s husband, Vince is a poker pro and has agreed to host a tournament for the ladies. I doubt they know how lucky they are but Vince Van Patten is to Poker as David Foster is to music. Brandy is drunk and brings three bottles into the limo to the Poker Party. I predict Brandi will be drunk and inappropriate with Vince. I suppose that does not necessarily make me Kreskin.
What the fuck is wrong with Lisa Rinna? She’s not in her limo with Kim for five minutes before she asks Kim if she is drinking or on drugs. Even if you suspect, you don’t know Kim well enough to ask her that! Kim says no. That said, Kim does seem fucked up. She is clearly on something. Okay, I admit I got up to get tea for half a second when Lisa got in the limo. There is not doubt that there is something terribly wrong with Kim. It’s scary. Like I bet Lisa wants to pull over and get out scary. LOL as soon as I type that. Lisa says she wishes she could get out of the car and run.
Brandi insults everything about Eileen’s house. As grown women do when being invited into someone’s home.
The ladies all sit for a poker game to be instructed by one of the best poker players in the country and the foolishness starts. As he walks them through a practice hand, Kim starts cussing out Vince because she doesn’t like her cards. Rinna is ignoring at this point and has strategically placed herself as far away as possible. Kim is clearly on something and I feel badly for watching this. But I will. So let’s continue. Brandi is drunk. Kyle is too dumb to understand the game. Brandi tells Kyle to stop acting stupid. Kyle says she is not acting. Actually Kim ended up winning the hand so now she is manic. Kim is telling everyone at the table to fuck off individually.
Vince realizes he needs to end the game and nudge people home. Last hand for all the bragging rights. Vince makes a comment about “big stick” referring to a poker marker and just like that Brandi says to the table, “I feel like I want to have sex with him.” To which Eileen replies, “Maybe not.” Oh school will be fun for the Cibrian boys tomorrow. Brandi wins the final pot and gets the trophy and Vince unwisely encourages a speech. She says that she is the only non actress here and that they are all stupid.
Kim picks up the big stick and calls it a dildo and claims she is taking it home (for those not watching the big stick is just a wooden dowel that is passed around to determine turns. Wooden sticks do not make good dildos). Kim keeps telling Kyle not to be jealous. Eileen is beyond shocked, appalled, horrified, disturbed and confused.
Kyle realizes the gravity of the situation. She’s embarrassed and panicking. Kyle goes to the bathroom with her phone to call someone for backup. Kim gets up and goes to the bathroom behind her. Behind the bathroom door Kyle tells Kim she is embarrassing her. Kim says she doesn’t care. Kyle says she cares and it doesn’t look like Kim is okay. Kim denies being on anything. Kim eventually admits she took some of Monty’s pills. I said having someone on hospice with liquid morphine and other drugs around Kim was not a good idea.
damn.
When Kim comes out of the bathroom, Brandi walks Kim out. Kim tells Brandi that Kyle was saying mean things to her. Brandi says she has her back. Brandi tries to get Kim into the limo but she wants to say good night. Brandi asks her not to but Kim brushes past her. They all try to get Kim to eat something. Kim says “thanks for doing that!” to Kyle and storms toward the door. Kyle has no idea what she means. Brandi has the pizza for Kim and is trying to get her out without a further scene but Kyle is intent on talking to her sister. Brandi keeps telling Kyle to stop. Kyle grabs Brandi once. Brandi keeps walking and says, Don’t you fucking touch me!” Kyle says “no…” and slings Brandi around sending pizza flying. This time Brandi pushes Kyle fairy hard and walks out with Kim. She apologizes to Kim for pushing Kyle saying, “she just pushed me and I didn’t know what to do.”
My two thoughts on this episode were why was Kyle the last to notice Kim was fucked up? And I feel dirty for watching this episode in a new and shocking way even for Bravo.
Next Week: We pick up back at Eileen’s house, where we will probably never be invited again. The drama continues with all the girls still there. Kim ends up in the hospital. Kyle and Vanderpump discuss how over Brandi they are and Yolanda lectures Brandi about her drinking.
First Kim tells Lisa R that Monty wasn’t home and that is why she is “upset.” Then Kim tells Kyle that Monty gave her something that her doctor told her to take- which is is a nonsensical statement in and of itself. Then Kim deflects and says Kyle was being mean to her. Sad to see, but Kim is clearly relapsing and it looks like pharmaceuticals which are extremely dangerous.
To say that I was beyond disgusted at this mess is putting it mildly. I DO NOT want to see someone relapsing. I DO NOT want to listen or see Brandi being her usual disgusting self. I am embarrassed not for Kyle or Kim but for Bravo to sink to this new low. Who told them that watching a substance abuser relapse and act insane is entertaining and/or amusing? It’s time for this mess to STOP and for Andy Cohen and his cohorts to look for new jobs if this is all they have to offer in the way of so-ca;lled entertainment television. Your recap was amazing because it put me back into that moment of creepiness that I felt watching the show. It was more “Horror Story” than Real Housewives. I’ll stick to Dance Moms and dump this mess from my life even though I may not be able to dump it from my brain. It was damaging and scary.
No kidding! And before the show aired Andy was tweeting about how great the episode was going to be. Really? Shame on you Andy and Bravo.
Why do you watch it, then? It annoys me when people accuse Andy/ Bravo, whatever of exploiting the Housewives.
They have all signed contracts, they have done the show for years and know what they are getting into.
This is the “reality” of addiction and it’s important that people see this. Look at the dialogue it has created. There are a lot of comments here and a lot of people can relate to this because we have all been affected by the behavior of an addict in one way or another.
Quit blaming Bravo! Sheesh! No one put a fucking gun to her head.
I haven’t watched yet, but this sounds really sad. Bravo brought Kim to a wine tasting? This is so disgusting. And Brandi is the worst kind of friend to Kim, the sort that pretends nothing is wrong. I guess Brandi has her own problems with alcohol. Bravo seems desperate pursuing a storyline like this – AGAIN.
Good observation. Kim was allways lying about stuff before, about why she was late, why she didnt show up, why shes acting peculiar, and now shes back to it. I still thnk shes mainly an alcholic with drugs too. I think booze is her drug of choice, along with the legal and probably illegal stuff. Notice how Kim got more of a pass from Kyle by admitting to taking a pill, rather than admitting to drinking. I allways thought Kim will start drinking with Brandi one day. Those two aren’t good for oneanother and it will end badly.
You’re right about Kyle’s response to Kim saying it was a pill. To me, that would be a bigger red flag than her saying she had drank.
Kim is not an alcoholic. She may struggle with alcohol and it might be a trigger for her but that woman has an opiate addiction. My boyfriend is finally recovering from a minor one but all the signs are easy to recognize once you’ve watched someone struggle with it first hand. Not to mention the research I’ve done to educate myself on how to be the best support system for him that I can be. He doesn’t really drink a lot at all though & he was able to keep somewhat of a handle on his addiction probably because he doesn’t drink a lot. But women tend to drink more than men because, wine and my guess is that she probably used alcohol as a replacement & just developed a problem with it as well, though that is not her biggest problem. Drunks don’t not show up to parties. Alcoholics are at every party. People on pills make excuses, lie and back out of everything.
Kim is an alcoholic, but she is also uses drugs when the going gets rough. Monty, her ex-husband, who is cancer ridden, is pushing the envelope on her sobriety and it’s not looking good. I like Kim and think she tries to do the right thing (whatever that is) but, she was clearly fucked up.
I wonder if Monty is on oxycodone. Someone on twitter said that could cause the hostile strange behavior Kim was displaying. I also wonder if Kim and her bff, the up-for-anything goodtime girl Brandi have shared Monty’s meds. Funny how Kim feels her fellow substance abuser Brandi, be it alcohol or drugs, is the only one she can relate to.
Yes, someone on twitter, that’s one of the highest authorities. Scatty you could not possibly be any more retarded, at least you give that impression with those types of statements. Fuck. Read up on opiates. (Not on twitter)
Sorry Scatty but Oxycodone typically causes extremely calm, laid back behavior — the opposite of hostile. I’m not sure how it would react with other meds she’s on but I do know that Oxy alone wouldn’t cause a person to react that way. (I’ve been on codone / cotin & everything above, over, & in-between for 40+ years).
Oxy actually can cause agitation ie overall bad temperament/low patience…not saying it applies here, but just throwing it out.
However, If Monty is DYING, I’m sure his pain management consists of something like Fentanyl patches, not low grade norco’s. Unless she’s been at it for a while, she wouldn’t have the tolerance and would be pretty fucked up (I haven’t seen the episode yet, biggest indicator would be a change in voice/itching)
Clearly Brandi is enabling Kim’s relapse and is being a horrible influence. I have never hated this woman more than I do after watching this episode. I hope she does not return for the next season, if there is a season left. Hopefully Kim has gotten help with her sobriety since this filmed.
Psylocke, you are right about Monty having stronger pain meds for his pain management for cancer. However, he probably also has a lower grade like oxycodone for break through pain depending on his pain level. Also addicts like Kim tend to build a high tolerance to drugs after taking them for an extended period of time. Some are able to take a higher dosage than normal people with less outward appearance of impairment even after detoxing. I’ve seen it happen even after the person was in recovery for over a year.
@Psylocke, it definitely can. Learned the hard way Nov 2013 about that very thing. I was prescribed it after hip surgery and then learned two weeks later I was allergic to it and one of the side effects for me was extreme agitation and aggression.
Pretty shitty thing to do, as the poor cancer patient probably needs all the medication they can get ,to try to be comfortable. Shame on them if they are don’t that to Monty. Both those women are sad, and Im afraid to say not marriage or relationship material. Kim should be attending meetings daily, talking to a sponsor and staying the hell away from Brandi. Kyle needs help too, as the stress of this is too painful and she needs advice and support on how to cope and when to let go.
I wouldn’t go by Twitter but someone below was correct, it can cause a range of behaviors. It’s not black or white and everyone responds to opiates differently. For someone that has not built up a tolerance and doesn’t have an addiction, yes it will just make you laid back & have donut eyes. Before I realized that my boyfriend actually had a drug problem I would do a little with him and just feel out of it and sometimes nauseated. For him however the affect was opposite. It made him chatty and horny. Even if he couldn’t get it up because of the drugs he would still want to fool around & go down on me for hours (or that’s how long it seemed). Sorry if that’s TMi but it’s the truth. He also has lots of friends from his hometown who have a pill problem and they act similar to him. They take it for energy. When it becomes a dependency the affects it has on your body changes. I wish we wouldn’t call people retarded over those kinds of statements though. Just because someone mentions reading something on Twitter doesn’t mean the information is automatically incorrect, a different more educated wording perhaps but it doesn’t sound like this person meant to state facts, just simply offering a suggestion that is not very off key.
Hmmm …. might need to spike Hubby’s tea with oxy for a test run
Hey captain eel, you mental midget. Nowhere in my post did I say that it oxycodone was the be-all end-all explanation. It was hpothetical based on possibly (in retrospect) erroneous information. Having never taken pain meds, I asked on twitter, and one person answered. The poster after you also replied that my info was wrong, but in a civilized informative manner I appreciated. If I have spinach in my teeth and go around grinning at everyone like I’m da bomb, and someone kindly points it out, I’d appreciate it, versus someone saying “Hey retard, you got something in your teeth.” But somehow I think the distinction will escape you.Pathetic that you obviously took my post about people neither of us know, personally.
Amazing to me how Kim has run this storyline of how devoted and caring she is. What a load of bullshit. She has moved into MONTYS home and is helping herself to the medicine cabinet.
Addicts are notorious for making themselves into perpetual victims. Notice how when Kyle showed concern (which is entirely appropriate, why pretend it isn’t happening?), that was turned into an attack.
I would not be able to spend more than an hour with Kyle (and wouldn’t waste 30 seconds on Kim, sober or not). Between the chipmunk eating and the playing dingy and then thinking it is hilarious, she would annoy the piss out of me. But, damn, I really felt for her last night. What an awful situation to be in.
I’m also impressed with her strength. Somehow she got herself out of that mess that seemed to plague the Richards family. I do hope she can feel some satisfaction that she was able to overcome that screwed up childhood.
Kim must not realize that when someone is on hospice and they pass away the coroner and nurse count/inventory the meds to make sure the correct doses were administered and turned back in.
I admire Kyle. I think shes a caring , devoted mother and wife. She could have washed her hands of Kim long ago. I knew of an alcholic who got into his dying step fathers medication. It can happen and any crisis like illness and death is a huge huge trigger. Brandi is too damaged and dysfunctional to be a decent friend, especially someone like Kim, who’s a real piece of work. You can tell this behaviour of Kim’s wasnt new or a result of some unusual medication reaction. Kyle stiffened like a board, knowing anything could happen, because shes seen it all before.
Kyle actually is doing herself no favors, but ESPECIALLY doing Kim no favors. Kyle is the wrong person to be policing Kim. She is not supporting her by always giving her the side eye, she is not helping by acting as Kim’s sobriety coach, she is not helping by reporting in to the other girls, etc, etc, etc. I think some other commenters on here who have been in close relationships with addicts can speak to that.
She needs to back off, and if Kim wants to talk, Kyle can listen and just love her sister. Oh, and if she loves her sister so much, QUIT THE SHOW!!! Kim would probably quit, too.
Wait, what? Kyle is supposed to quit her job because her sister is an addict? How does that work in your brain exactly?
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 7:20 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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It’s a shame Brandi couldn’t stay out of it. Just what Kim needed….a drunk taking control of her. SMH
I think that is why they commiserate so well together. No one can understand a drunk like a drunk. At least, that is what they tell each other, and what do I know? It may well be true.
Brandi did all the appropriate things under the situation:
1) When Kim said she was leaving, but didn’t know how she was getting home, Brandi escorted her.
2) When Kim said she was going to say bye, Brandi said NO NOT WISE, and tried to get her to do otherwise…
3) When things were getting intense during the goodbyes, Brandi listened to Kyle’s advice and got Kim pizza.
Things only got bad when Brandi tried to stop Kyle/Kim from getting into a shouting match. Kyle got aggressive, and Brandi took it to the next level while in her drunken stupor. All things considered, I think Brandi did her best.
Which basically proves that Brandi was less fucked up than Kim. YAY Brandi!
Sending Kim off alone to an empty house or to someone under the influence of strong narcotics is not wise. I think Kim needed to cool off, have a bite to eat and make a plan for the evening that would ensure her safety. A drunken, antagonizing Brandi was not the solution. Kim got mad because Kim was under the influence and listened to Brandi. There were several people available to talk to Kim who weren’t drunk.
Brandi may have done those things but it looked to me like Brandi was Kim’s biggest cheerleader/enabler (laughing & cheering on all her rude & obnoxious jokes / comments). Brandi’s stated repeatedly that it’s because of her that her “best friend” Jennifer went to rehab (she’s the one that recognized she had a problem)! Looks like Brandi cares more about a new buddy to party with & pissing Kyle off — than she does Kim’s own welfare. Actually Kim was being quite inappropriate → just like Brandi!
@Valley Kim didn’t get mad because of Brandi’s influence. She got mad because she was high and felt attacked by Kyle (though Kyle wasn’t attacking her). Had she listened to Brandi there NEVER would have been a confrontation because Kim would have NEVER went back inside to say goodbye. Did you watch the episode? Get your DVR out.
@Addie Brandi was drunk before she got into the limo to even get to the party. If you think she is to blame for anything that happened tonight, you are wrong. She was a rude a-hole to everyone she encountered, but in terms of Kyle v Kim, she was the only one who did anything “remotely” logical.
I totally agree. I think for once, Brandi was just trying to leave a situation before it got elevated. I also felt that she was a good friend to Kim. Kyle got physical and aggressive. I get that’s her sister but neither one of the sisters was in a place to have a rational conversation. Brandi did the right thing by trying to get her out of there quietly.
Brandi’s best is the normal persons worst!Needs to keep her nasty nose out of others business!A drunk advising an addict is so wrong!She gets pleasure from seeing others suffer and usually has a big part in it happening!Brandi is a total waste of human flesh!Kyle has been dealing with Kim’s problem for years and will continue to when Drunk Otis is long gone!If Brandi had stayed out of it Kim & Kyle would have talked & worked it out!Please make Brandi just disappear!
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On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I do agree that to get Kim the hell out ofthere was the best avenue to take. To prolong the departure ,would have just made it worse and would not have been the ^polite” thing to do. Polite left the building ,as soon as Brandi and Kim arrived. Those two women, are so bitter and envious ,of the marriages and famlies some of these ladies have built.they are lashing out so badly. Im not so sure each one of them didnt contribute mightily to their current situation they find themselves in, and may have not been so” unlucky “in love, as they claim.
Well JD you are wrong. Brandi had no business “helping” Kim in any form. She is a drunk angry woman who used Kim for her own purposes. The bigger picture is getting Kim someplace where she can be observed and properly come down from whatever she is taking. Brandi provided nothing towards that end.
Kyle was the one trying to get Kim settled. Obviously Kim was not ready to leave or stop causing problems.
Mark my words Kim will go to the hospital and try and write the whole thing off to a bad drug. Why not it has worked for her in the past.
Yep, she wins the Race to the Bottom.
OMG, give Brandi a break on like ONE thing. She obviously tried to help and had good intentions. She did do quite a few things right. Kyle was being physically aggressive.
Just because Brandi screws up all the time and isn’t likeable, it doesn’t mean she can’t ever do one thing right. (And, no, I’m not a Brandi fan.)
I have to agree. Love or hate Brandi i appreciate how she tried to guide Kim home safely at the end. Doesn’t excuse her atrocious behavior all night though, I’ll just give credit where credit is due. I kinda felt Kyle’s aggression & frustration with Kim after she made that comment. It was almost like she knew in her head it was not a good idea to go there but she couldn’t help herself. That’s sibling love for you though. There’s definitely mountains of jealousy issues going on with those women.
I’m still not convinced that Brandi was so concerned for Kim. She’s way too selfish-by the way she was gleefully attacking Kyle that night, I saw it as more of a dig to Kyle to drag her sister off. She knew how to get at her
Gotta agree…..Brandi is about Brandi. And we don’t know that her intentions were to get her home safely. I see more debauchery and partying in their immediate future
Agree and no Gingersnap it has nothing to do with who was more ‘fucked up”. Brandi made sure Kim would get home safely. Kyle didn’t want to be ashamed by Kim’s actions and since she is aware of how Kim is when intoxicated (on whatever substance) she should have thanked Brandi because there was no way a decent conversation was going to happen between Kyle and Kim at that time.
Lisa R. certainly wanted nothing to do with the situation from beginning to end.
Brandi did the right thing. She tried to usher Kim out of the set when her temper started flaring up, multiple times. Something that cannot be said about her own sister who was clearly very eager to confront her drugged sister in front of america again. This episode gave me flashbacks of that limo scene.
I think Monty having cancer is to much for kim to handle, she definitely slipped up in her sobriety and being BFF with brandi does nothing to help that.
Brandi is just vile and disgusting and rude as hell, nothing else to say about that.
Kyle and kim have real issues and its uncomfortable to watch, but I don’t blame kyle for wanting brandi out of the way. This was between Kyle and Kim and Kyle just wanted to talk. Brandi should have stayed out of it.
That was some of the nastiest, most awkward television I’ve witnessed in a while. Brandi was a complete boar in Eileen’s house — I do think the moron meant “American Gothic” not “American Psycho” about the decor, but she’s too stupid to know it (that’s why you shouldn’t talk about things you don’t understand). And as the night wore on with the “stupid” comments (literally and figuratively) she just got more gross.
I really think Kyle should have left Kim alone once she came back in to say good night and addressed the situation with her in private the next day — it’s not like Kim didn’t have a driver and Kyle needed to worry about how she was getting home. However, Kim should have listened to Brandi (egads, can’t believe I’m saying that) and not gone back in. But that’s not how the passive-aggressive, co-dependent Richards sister roll — of course Kim had to go back in and “start” with Kyle again (i.e., the “thanks for doing that” comment), she couldn’t just let the conversation in the bathroom be the end of it for the night. And of course Kyle couldn’t just let the “thanks for doing that” comment drop and address her sister about it the next day, in private (and Kim *knew* Kyle wouldn’t be able to drop it) etc. etc. Like I said, passive-aggressive co-dependents.
And I really do think Kyle doesn’t have the room to complain that Brandi pushed her — she was pretty aggressive to both Kim and Brandi with the grabbing and pushing before Brandi pushed back. I hate admitting that because I loathe Brandi and everything else she did that night was 100% wrong and horrid. The worst I can say about the push though is that both she and Kyle acted badly there.
Excellent and spot on. I don’t think Brandi is justified in much, but she did all the appropriate things she could to diffuse the situation with Kim/Kyle.
That being said, I feel bad for Kyle, because she’s now gotten used to open communication with Kim, and she wanted to make sure she was ok. Just a really really sad episode. I hope they both get through this. 🙁
The real villain this episode, albeit a funny one, was Rinna asking Kim if she was on drugs/alcohol when she got into the car….
I don’t know if Lisa R. can be labeled a villain — I remember Lisa V. getting a lot of (IMO) unfair shit from both Kim and Kyle for questioning Kim’s behavior in Paris (sleeping all day, not answering her phone). The story then was that Lisa should have asked *off camera* if she really cared about Kim, not on camera. Yet Kyle turns around and asks her on camera now.
But the fact is — when you know someone is an addict, and they are acting like they are drunk and/or high — the first thing you think of is “are you drunk or high because you’re acting like it?” Cameras are probably the last thing on your mind.
I agree, Lisa R. probably shouldn’t have asked, but I’d put it down more to “inappropriate” (given the new-ness of their relationship, unlike Kyle who is her sister) but not villainous. Lisa R. seems like a decent person — if Kim had answered her honestly, she probably intended to help her in some way (take her to see someone rather than go to the party — it is LA, I’m sure Lisa R. knew someone who could talk to Kim, etc).
I’m just being dramatic when I use the word “villain”. Rinna is an awesome lady and hilarious to boot! It was definitely inappropriate and lead to an :O moment from me. However, that’s something you simply don’t do, especially to someone you don’t know very well.
I can also understand how awkward of a ca ride that must have been for her.
How is Lisa a villain? She called it like she seen it. SO would I. She looked drunk, acted drunk, was making no sense, argumentative, and hostile. Kim was crying about what she had to endure with her ex’s cancer, and Lisa responded, “He’s dying” and Kim said “What about me?”
Well, I guess getting drunk, and feeling sorry for yourself was the answer, unless she was taking his drugs. But do drugs make you act like a mean drunk?
@Gemini again, I was being dramatic with the word “villain”. Ok, so you would have said the same thing? That also would have made you HIGHLY inappropriate, insensitive and flat out rude towards someone you don’t know very well. It’s called having proper decorum towards other human beings.
Proper decorum? So you expect me to sit in a car with you when youre acting all kinds of crazy. It was perfectly fine for Rinna to ask Kim flat out. Proper “decorum” is why she’s relapsing in the first place. She’s been surrounding herself with people that make it easy for her to deny she has a problem. Thank God Rinna has sense.
Wow.
There is absolutely nothing inappropriate about asking someone if they have been drinking if they are acting as bizarrely as Kim was. I think it was tame as it was clear Kim was on something much stronger.
Hiding those facts and covering up are elements of enabling. If someone wants to get drunk or high, that’s their prerogative. But it is also completely okay for someone to ask them or point it out.
I’m shocked that Lisa R has gotten so much flack. I thought it was gutsy and entirely appropriate. Shoving things under the carpet doesn’t help anyone. Particularly when it was obvious what was going on anyhow.
Only love to you Lisa R!! (felt the same about Lisa V)
Exactly, it’s people like Lisa R and Lisa V that Kim should be surrounding herself with. They will tell you the truth whether you’re right or wrong and won’t let you get away with shit. thats what makes them good friends! Rinna should get some kind of award for that lol.
I also agree that brandi did the right thing, but if Kim were my sister I would be freaking out about her leaving with Brandi. Whether Brandi can admit it or not, she is an alcoholic. Their addiction issues are why they are friends and also why they shouldn’t be.
I think these are very lucid and sagacious points being made by angienc about the whole scene. And I would just like to add that From the very first season Kyle and Kim have had a “pattern” and it plays out every single season. At once acting “sisterly” and close and then in the next moment here comes the Passive-Aggressive BS that they always resort to. Kim seems to have a slow simmering sometimes seething resentment of Kyle. It’s like they still haven’t worked out -completely-what happened when Kim was the rich and popular child star back in the ’70s. (Yes, I am old enough to remember. *Sigh*) It’s usually a minor annoyance to watch but tonite it was just. Sad. Sad to see Kim go right back to what she knows best. And speaking of sad, Brandi Glanville is unraveling with each show this season. What the f- Happened? I used to Love her but this season i am disgusted by this drunk, high, uncouth classless woman. Why is she making it EASY to see why Eddie left her for Leann? SMH. I just want to tell her we were all rooting for her until…..
I think Brandi meant the decor reminded her of the house in the Alfred Hitchcock movie Psycho…and that is why it creeped her out. She thinks her repartee is witty, but she’s always too drunk to get her point across.
What is really disgusting is that these, er, “celebrities” forget that millions of people DO watch these shows and will emulate these behaviors, thinking it is perfectly okay to do so. That is just so scary and sad. Instead of moving upwards and forwards in our behavior, it seems as if the nation as a whole is in a huge Race to the Bottom. Pretty depressing and not the world I want our children to inherit.
Glad to say I no longer watch, but only read the recaps, and even doing THAT makes me feel dirty.
Yes, Vince is a big deal in the poker world and I’m guessing he was shocked at those “ladies” behavior.
I don’t understand these Bravo women.
brandy is over top vulgar on most occasions and i do love me some brandy but i cringe when she does that. i do however feel that she is/was being a good friend to kim by trying to get her out of there with out further incident. i think kyle is a cunt, cannot stand her no matter what. their behavior at eileens house was terrible though.
I felt bad for Eileen but I’m selfishly sad that we won’t be invited back to her house, as TT said. Fucking Brandi ruins every single function she attends.
I definitely agree about Kyle. She is the worst vague, backstabbing, two-timing, annoying kind of woman there is. I say that because although women like Brandi are complete trash, a vile snake like Kyle will actually fool some people into thinking she is a good person, when in reality she is anything but, which makes her worse in my opinion is only for her duplicity, and lack of anything resembling an honest, genuine person.
Worst KIND, I meant to say, sorry.
Kyle is awful.
I knew this episode would end up more sad than dramatic. Brandi is enabling Kim for her own personal gain. Kyle could have confronted Kim in private, and Kim is on much more than pain killers.
Then. Than. Whatever
I felt sad for both Kim and Kyle (despite being pissed over the wine tasting debacle at Kyle) at the poker party. I think Kyle wanted to stop Kim from leaving because she didn’t know what would happen to her wherever she went to in that state. I think she may have wanted to leave with Kim and be with her or get her some help till she came down off whatever she was on. On the other hand, I may be giving Kyle way too much credit.
@JustJenn: Both thans were the correct word choice. “Then” has a time component. Eg, Kyle is co-dependent and secretly loves being Kim’s savior, which is why she needed to escalate the situation just then– it’s how she finds validation. It’s also why she’s a helicopter parent.
Are you seriously here to give a grammar lesson?
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:20 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Nope. Just pointing out she had it right.
Hell, for all we know, Brandi took Kim out and went partying. All the time saying “I understand you”, while she hands her another drink. Brandi has her own drinking problem, she needs a drinking buddy.
I really wish I didn’t feel this way, but I truly believe you are indeed giving Kyle too much credit. I think we saw her true colors season one in the limo.
I’m sure it’s hard and sad for her and her family. I hope she finds her way to recovery again soon.
Kyle feels a lot of guilt and shame over Kim’s alcoholism. She needs Al Anon so that she can respond calmly to Kim. Kyle just freaks and makes it worse. That was so sad to see….
Brandi’s fantasy was bizarre. Also, I could have lived without knowing that Lisa Rinna has a Chia Pet growing in her pants.
Totally agree about the Al Anon but it’s just been one long, extended denial since the beginning. And it will keep hurting all of them if they don’t try to play a healthy part. You can’t even blame Bravo or Hollywood for that; everyone has to have that wake-up moment.
@Josie ~ and Kyle wants to be a stripper with a bag on her face, while doing the splits and, and no doubt, the helicopter hair swing! lololol!
Yes…Kyle needs help in breaking the dysfunctional cycle and also be prepared on how to best handle this type of situation. She should definitely go to Al Anon and educate herself.
It looked like they were headed to another limo scene much like the first outing of Kim.
At the wine tasting, Kyle should have sat outside or left with Kim. WTH, that is her sister and she should want to protect her from relapsing as much as possible…but no her desire to be on camera was much greater than her sisterly love.
Brandy seemed like she was trying to help…but there is no way I would let my sister leave alone or with Brandi in that condition. I would knock anyone out that tried to stop me from leaving with her. Who would let her go home to more drugs ALONE???? Yes, I do mean I would leave with my sister, not have another scene on camera which appeared llike what Kyle was headed into.
Kim and Kyle are a psychiatrist’s wet dream.
Yep, mdc, so right! Kyle needs boundaries and Kim needs someone professional who she can trust. Unhealthy dynamics. To put it mildly.
Thats funny about Lisa R ,because shes so so so so skinny , that the visual is one of being eaten by a chia pet. Shes a cool person it seems. Everybody else seems so completly normal and functional, compared to Brandi and Kim.
I know that TT says that Kyle was the last to notice that Kim was fucked up, but what about Brandi? I guess because Kim was acting the way Brandi does normally, it didn’t dawn on her either that Kim was high as a Georgia pine with the inappropriate comments and actions. As soon as Kim and LIIsa Rinna started talking in the limo it was embarrassingly obvious that she was impaired. Having her ex in the house with her is too much temptation for a short term recovering alcoholic. His meds for cancer that close at hand along with any stress in her life would be hard to resist. It would be and was too easy to just take what she wanted and then to lie when confronted. Addict behavior at it’s finest. I know Kyle handled it very poorly when Kim was leaving the house, but It wasn’t Brandi’s place to appoint herself Kim’s bodyguard. Kim ends up in the hospital. Glad it didn’t turn out to be much worse.
To be fair to Brandi — God I hate having to be fair to Brandi — Kim pumped her up telling her Kyle was being mean to her, etc. (after the bathroom conversation) and Brandi did advise Kim to just get in the limo, not go back in to say good night.
Yes, I agree Brandi shouldn’t get involved in family shit — but she was pretty drunk herself and probably thought she was *helping.*
Get your heavy coats, y’all – because hell must have frozen over. That’s twice tonight I’ve “defended” Brandi.
angienc, that is exactly my point. Brandi was being her usual drunken, obnoxious, poor decision making self. Maybe Kim did “pump up Brandi”, but anyone with 1 eye and half sense should have seen how impaired Kim was. Brandi was too drunk to try to help herself much less Kim. But that’s her M.O. She is usually drinking/drunk and doesn’t think about her actions. That’s why when she does these things it usually ends in a shitstorm. Of course Kim is going to say Kyle is being mean to her whenever Kyle confronts her when she relapses. All of the other women had caught on to what was happening except for clueless, brain dead, drunk Brandi who should have taken her trophy and crawled in her limo alone and gone home.
Yeah and thats Brands thing. She likes her friends to back her up(no matter how wrong she is), and she loves to get in on a good feud, and have an oppoutinity to show what a “good” friend she is. Those are the people you need to run from. They’ll act like their such a good friend, while secretly relishing and enjoying your problems. Usually they damage your reputation and spill all your confidences too. Really sick, but this what unhappy women sometimes like to do to their “closest” friend.
Brandi was being a good friend to Kim. She didn’t know what transpired in the bathroom, and as far as we can tell, Kyle hasn’t always been the best sister in terms of Kim’s recovery. It’s not her responsibility, but she doesn’t always help, even though she has good intentions.
Brandi tried to remove Kim from a bad situation, and after Kim threw an unnecessary dig in at Kyle during her goodbye, Kyle escalated the situation to the point of no return…. I feel bad for the Richards. I love them both. 🙁
Those Richards sisters really got me wondering what their Hilton sister is like…
When she’s been on the show she was bossy, extremely critical and aloof. Im guessing she is just as screwed up, if not more so as she is the oldest sister who has seen even more than the other 2.
From the 2 scenes I witnessed, she is just plain HORRIBLE! Mix Kim and Kyle with a big dose of Brandi and you’ve got Kathy Hilton.
I’m intrigued with the Kathy Hilton comments-what’s her deal?
In the car on the wy to Eileen’s house Brandi asks Kyle if her mother was a drinker and Kule says no. I read the book “House of Hilton” and Big Kathy is described as a monster and a drunken gold digging whore. Kyle was not truthful.
You’re really going to chastise someone for not insulting their dead mother on TV?
How would telling the truth be an insult? She could have said that her mother had a drinking problem too.
Yes, because Kyle lied about Big Kathy flat out. Deb is correct on her description.
Everyone should read, “The House of Hilton”. All who do will see Kathy, Kim, and Kyle in a whole new light if they do.
HOH is a good read if you watch Kyle & Kim on this show. They should let a therapist have a copy and then set-up weekly sessions. Bi-weekly for Kim.
Hey, who knows, maybe it would help.
Couples Therapy would be a much better fit for those sisters as far as being on a Reality show
I read it, but I didn’t get that their mother was an alcoholic. She likes to party and got her drink on at the clubs. Maybe I missed that part.
I want to get that book now.
I read it also and I don’t recall that their mom was an alcoholic either. But boy, was she a piece of work. I’m amazed at what a good mother Kyle seems to be after having that for an example, not to mention all the chaos she endured. In fact, Kim makes sense being a product of that environment, but Kyle is definitely an exception to the rule.
If that book is even remotely true, it says so much about why Kim, Kyle and Kathy are the way they are. Their mom was a wackadoo. I cringe every time they speak glowingly of her. They need some (lots) of therapy to realize how unhealthy their upbringing was.
Yeah and thats Brands thing. She likes her friends to back her up(no matter how wrong she is), and she loves to get in on a good feud, and have an oppoutinity to show what a “good” friend she is. Those are the people you need to run from. They’ll act like their such a good friend, while secretly relishing and enjoying your problems. Usually they damage your reputation and spill all your confidences too. Really sick, but this what some unhappy women do to their “closest” friend
Gee Deb do you think perhaps the writer of the book may have exaggerated? Kyle said her mother was a social drinker. Maybe she knows better than the author.
he interviewed friends of Big Kathy. One said she went out with Big Kathy to bars as her driver because she would be too drunk to get herself safely home. One of Kim’s former boyfriends is quoted as saying that Kim told him many stories of how she would drive the family car as young as 13 years old to bars to pick up her mom. I would love for Kim to write a book about her childhood. That would be an interesting read, perhaps it would be cathartic for her.
The book got great reviews and is very well-known. Generally accepted as accurate.
Oh! I think I’m thinking of a book on the Hiltons, so that would only touch on Kathy.
You don’t insert yourself between two sisters. Brandi sees two choices and always picks the worst by far. Weird that they had NO Kim talking heads during any of that. She’s a mess. She slipped last season too but they covered it up. In fact, I don’t believe she’s ever been sober for a very long time. Kyle wasn’t the last to notice. She was the last to acknowledge. Big difference. Like she said, she’s used to covering up and circling the wagons to protect kim. That’s what she tried to do. But brandi actually encouraged Kim’s bad behavior. Those two are toxic.
There was a talking head of Kim after the wine tasting talking about that where she was sober and sane. Perhaps she gets back on track later after a detox?
Totally agree. Brandi meddling only frustrated Kyle. Brandi is a pot stirrer and knows exactly what she is doing. And it’s only natural that Brandi would want to latch on to Kim. It makes Brandi look less fucked up.
Totally agree. Kyle has probably tried to protect her for years. Kim holds resentment against Kyle for always judging her and watching her every move. Almost like a bad teenager, who wants to go and out party, and the mother is stopping her fun. That damn Kyle just wont let her be! Then we have Brandi, who see’s nothing wrong with a little drink or two, telling Kim she “understands her”, (while handing her a drink) yeah…bet you do, Brandi. You have your own drinking issues, and are not the person Kim needs to be around. Wonder if Brandi has a hand in Kim’s relapse.
“Kyle wasn’t the last to notice. She was the last to acknowledge”
Best line in the comments. Spot on.
I come from a long line of alcoholics. If we accept that each alcoholic touches 5 lives and that Brandi isn’t one of the five, then I think Kyle’s behavior is better understood. No need to go through all of the behaviors that we assume during the dance since y’all already know them.
Spot on observations. It appeared to me that Kyle knew all along and was just hoping things wouldn’t get out of hand, but she certainly wasn’t having fun. Brandi didn’t even seem to notice that Kim was under the influence.
And, yes, don’t insert yourself between two sisters. It may work for a moment but it won’t work in the long run.
I’m with you TT this was an unpleasant episode. I’m out though. I’d rather read here than watch. Thanks for all you do even while ill.
Imo Brandi likes creating a rift between people, she loved having lisa v against Kyle which is why she acts so jealous when they are friendly. She loved lisa v against yolanda and now kim vs kyle.
Watching Brandi and Kim act like drunken, stupid sluts whenever or wherever class should dictate their behavior, is like watching the first several episodes of American Idol when they show all the horrible singers. It is always a train wreck, but you can’t look away.
LOL I think it’s hilarious when people feel compelled to upload their pictures as a sig.
If I were to see you in a grocery store or whatever sleezehole you may frequent, I would never think “wow she probably leaves comments on blogs about a relapsing addict ‘acting like a stupid, drunken slut’.”
I prefer the safety of the bubble.
I’d prefer you dead in a ravine.
Just FYI to everyone, Gravatar (our pictures) is used by many sites, and some of us have to have pictures loaded for other things, like work gigs. I don’t have a choice of whether mine shows up here.
Side note: If you want your own avatar please go to gravatar.com and upload one. It doesn’t have to be of you it can be anything. I wish you all had them.
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I’d sincerely prefer to never again see your blown out beef curtains disgrace the commenting section of this here sacred blog.
Thanks in advance for your cooperation.
@popcorn your picture is adorable.
Awww @Psylocke *blush* Thanks.
You’re kind of an asshole.
Psylocke: I agree re: Jana looking like one who isn’t commenting about sluts on blogs! Yaaaay! Love it!
Why is Brandi’s top lip not moving when she is talking?
It doesn’t want to be a co conspirator in the bs that Brandi is saying.
Micheal wins the prize!!! Perfecto!!!
All that botox, restylane, juvaderm, and collagen, have paralysed her facial muscles. Brandi, like Tamra Judge, has a cloaca where her mouth should be.
It’s going to be a rough road for Kim whether Monty is living with her or not, having a loved one coming to the end of their life is a really hard time to stay sober. I feel very badly for her.
I have zero sympathy for Kyle, who chooses to put all this out there for us to see. She knows damn well the cameras will catch everything in the bathroom. And I’m not buying the “I didn’t know it was a wine tasting” either, because she could have put a stop to it as soon as it started, or taken off with Kim to do something different while the rest of them enjoyed themselves. And all of this could have been spoken about in private to Kim off camera – by voicing everything out loud Kyle made it a storyline. Kim needs help and the safety of family, not exploitation by family.
So, you would have Kyle do what exactly? Pretend that she does not see that her sister is high as a kite? Then everyone would accuse her of supporting Kim ‘ s addiction. You make no sense. Kyle can not win in this situation. Exploiting? Give me a break.
I would have Kyle put a stop to wine tasting with Kim – “Sorry, we have non-drinkers here,” is all she had to say. And microphones can be turned off, especially in the bathroom. None of this had to be done on camera, if she cared about Kim’s welfare she could have done it in private, OFF camera.
To me the sommelier was drawing unnecessary and rude attention to Kim, “our chef made a lovely manjo juice for YOU.” And then even worse, ” Do you want to smell it?” who says that to someone who is not drinking?
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 12:06 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I agree Tamara. That was awful. That woman made it very uncomfortable for Kim with her extra attention to the issue.
Word.
I agree with Popcorn … as soon as Kyle and the other women realized it was a WINE TASTING, at the very least someone should have left with Kim and done something else with her. And, Kyle chased after Kim, not out of concern, but to question her about her last comment. As someone who has dealt with substance abuse in the family – and as Kyle well knows from history – you DON’T confront an addict when they are high. Especially knowing cameras are rolling …
Kyle is not the producer. She can’t dictate filming. Kim followed Kyle into the bathroom. Kyle whispered. So everyone on the show and in the audience can see Kim is under the influence but when her sister asks it is a bad thing/ Why is that? How can they help her if they don’t know what she has ingested? Maybe it is more important that Kim not overdose. Clearly Kim going into the bathroom was a cry for help. Maybe Kim should not show up for filming impaired if she doesn’t want it to be captured on film.
Exactly. The only thing Kyle did wrong IMO that night was when she grabbed/pushed Brandi. Granted, Brandi was blocking her from Kim but I don’t know what else Kyle would have expected from her knowing what a violent bitch Brandi is.
TT, you called this awhile back. Kim, at least, needs support caring for her dieing ex-husband. That’s rough on a non-addict. Brandi was probably drunk-OK, she was drunk. She had no business injecting herself between Kim and Kyle.
Cannot stand Kyle. She should have shut that wine tasting down immediately. So rude whether or not Kim said it was OK. But it let Kyle pretend she cared.
And her first reaction to Kim’s not sober behavior was that it embarrassed Kyle? As nasty as Brandi can be, she did the right thing trying to get Her out of there and off camera. But Kyle wants to keep her there and confront her on camera. That is one f’ed up family.
That’s how I took what Brandi did as well, which I have to give Brandi kudos for. Kyle just wants more camera time by putting Kim’s problems on blast. She should have said Kim let’s ride home together and discussed it in private. Kyle blames Brandi for pushing her but Kyle put her hands on Brandi twice before Brandi pushed her. Can you imagine if Kyle was on Atlanta and did that to one of those women. ..she would have gotten a beat down. Brandi did notice something was wrong with Kim and asked her at the poker table if she was alright. And lastly Brandi’s fantasy…was she possibly making a joke about the whole cheating thing because of her ex? It was weird otherwise.
There are cameras in the limos. These folks are working. Kim wasn’t about to get in a car with Kyle. Why is it Kim can show up for a filmed event impaired and spoil the evening and the world is suppose to bend over backwards to make sure Kim’s secret is safe. Kim out it out there.
I can’t imagine Kim letting her friend repeatedly call her sister stupid and a bitch.
I agree, Pix, but apparently Brandi can t do anything right. Ever.
Give Kyle a break. I also would have shut the entire production down, but Kim reassured her time and time again that it was fine. the last thing you want to do is make an even BIGGER deal about it when the person you’re caring for tells you not to.
Kyle did the right thing and apologized to her profusely at lunch. Kyle is genuine.
The “you’re embarrassing me” remark was in poor taste, but that’s what she was doing. Kyle didn’t know how to handle the constant attacks from Kim. It looks like Kyle was on the verge of a panic attack the entire time. 🙁
Wouldn’t you be embarrassed if your sister was calling you stupid and making fun of you in front of your friends? If your sister was being rude to the host. If your sister made comments about something of the guest’s being a dildo and something you needed. I would be and further more I would be humiliated.
The cameras follow the actors and the limos have cameras. So nobody is getting anybody off camera.
Spot on.
Since when is Kyle responsible for what Kim puts in her body? I just can’t believe the numbers of people who do not hold Kim responsible.
The wine tasting was unfortunate. If Kim couldn’t handle it, the best way to proceed would have been to say “Excuse me, I have some things to do, do you mind if I catch up with you later?”
Is everyone else supposed to stop having fun or living their lives because Kim can’t handle it?
Further, I don’t even believe the wine was the problem. There were clearly some heavy drugs involved.
I think Kyle is hard enough on herself without a whole bunch of people jumping on the blame train. The only person to blame in this situation is Kim herself. To do anything less is to enable and excuse the bad behavior, thus perpetuating it.
Oh, I do hold Kim responsible for her actions. No one made her take whatever she took. I just don’t find Kyle to be sincere in her interactions with Kim. She’s been doubting Kim’s ability to remain sober in her talking heads all season. I find that to be completely inappropriate. I get the concern. I don’t get throwing those thoughts out there on TV.
Someone else here mentioned the House of Hilton book. Reading that gives great insight into the whacked psyche of that entire Richards family.
Agree 100% Swizzle!
So damn true!
I have to add this. Brandi mentioned tonight that she is OK drinking in front of Kim. I have a dear friend in the program (AA). I would never drink infront of her. Because I love, respect, and support her.
I agree. It’s a personal choice however, and I don’t think Brandi should be criticized for this. I often go to events with a loved one where everyone is drinking. I choose to never drink in front of her as well, because if she has to be sober, at least I’m sober with her.
That being said, not everyone is like that, and I don’t think it’s fair to judge Brandi.
You may choose to have a drink in front of some one who is recovering, but would you get inebriated? One drink might not bother them but I would think being stumbling bumbling drunk might!
Since I came from a family of alcoholics, I married one as well. I tried drinking with, not drinking, lots of love, and withholding love. It wasn’t my problem so nothing I did really mattered.
Very astute observation. Tough love doesn’t work. Soft, gooey, supportive non-tough love doesn’t work. Getting angry or “embarrassed” or annoyed doesn’t work. Choosing to not drink yourself or to not drink in the presence of the alcoholic does not work. The only person responsible for his or her sobriety is the alcoholic.
I feel bad for Eileen. As I imagined, this bunch is mostly beneath her. I hope she is very well paid. Last episode she is surprised by Brandi’s wine toss to her face. This week, the women were disrespectful about the poker lesson. I was afraid Kim was going to set a fire drunkenly waving the cigar around. I hope someone found the thrown pizza slice. They made a disaster out of Eileen and Vince’s well prepared party.
I felt bad for her sleeping kids. I think she mentioned to the group to keep it down several times. Brandi and Kim did not keep it down at all.
Just an observation that the pizza wasn’t “thrown”. It came lose when someone laid their hands on the person holding the pizza.
*loose* not lose.
Kim lied when she said she wasnt smoking. She had a cigarette and also a cigar, red flag. Kim may be an alcoholic but i doubt it. Ive always believed it was pills/maybe nose powder.
Clearly Kim is into more than just drinking. A few seasons ago she and her boyfriend Ken “found” a baggy of white powder in a limo! I think its obvious that Kyle does try to cover for her (to an extent). When they were in the bathroom Kyle was whispering so quietly I couldn’t hear one word she said while Kim was speaking at full volume.
Kim is an addict and an addict will take whatever they can get their hands on usually. Alcohol, pills, etc. Anything to get them to where they need to be.
I have never bought into that Jim is *just* an alcoholic. I believe she’s into pills and maybe other drugs like blow.
Her being an alcoholic drinks was just a cover story.
I know there may be more important issues on this episode but I ask this for real…….could Kyle’s legs look more stumpier in those sandals? And yes, stumpier is a word.
Those shoes were the absolute worst! Only someone with model thin and long legs can carry off knee high gladiator sandals. She looked so stumpy. Laughed when they showed them again on WWHL.
Why do so many people hold Kyle accountable for Kim? I don’t get it. Kim freaks Kyle out, she doesn’t know what to do with a alcoholic pill popper. Who would? It’s not like these folks are exactly STABLE or anything…every day is a new day and you never know what you are going to get. I think Kim has traumatized Kyle too. Damn, give the bitch a break.
Thank you. I think people are very unnecessarily rough on Kyle. Both on the Internet, and on the show.
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 12:07 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Totally! Kyle cares very deeply for her sister and has been down this road many times with her. As the adult kid of an alcoholic, I will tell you, nothing is more frightening then when your loved one is relapsing. It is agonizing and gut wrenching.
TT-I agree with you on people coming down hard on Kyle. I’m not sure why all of the vitriol towards Kyle-this is a decades long dynamic between the 2 sisters, and I just believe she doesnt know any other way.
Thank you! Now I’m reading that Kyle wanted Kim to eat a slice of pizza to keep her on camera? Seriously? Everyone there was trying to get some food in her to help dilute whatever she was on and calm her the fuck down. Brandi even grabbed the pizza for her to take to go.
Meanwhile, last night cunt ass Brandi was mean tweeting Kyle all night telling her she was a shitty sister who just wanted to use Kim to get more air time.
Projection much? It was very hateful and mean. Meanwhile Kyle is tweeting Reality Tea begging them not to be so mean to her. Sidenote: I don’t think RT is mean to Kyle. I think Kyle is very sensitive to the issue and is in a place of despair.
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Yes, TT-I felt bad for Kyle last night with her tweets. I think she is desperate and feels judged and is at a loss. I’d be too. And just when I thought Brandi may have reached maximum rude-ness drunken cunti-ness level:boom. Last night.
Well slap my tits and call me Shirley! I had no clue Brandi was mean tweeting Kyle last night — what a fucking asshole!
I do see the obvious fucked up passive-aggressive co-dependent relationship between Kim and Kyle wherein Kim is the wild child and Kyle is the mean mommy. These are roles they have played in each other’s lives long before RHOBH came calling. And yes while most people don’t know how to deal with a pill popping addict, given Kim’s long history Kyle should have bothered to learn a better way to deal with it than the way she did last night (panic mode; confrontation; shame). However that goes to the messed up dynamic of their relationship which will not be fixed without acknowledgement of their roles (Kim’s not the only one in denial) and therapy. However that doesn’t make Kyle a “bad sister” — it makes her not helpful in dealing with Kim’s addiction issues.
Brandi did try to diffuse the situation by getting Kim in the limo and away from further confrontation at that moment when Kim was in no place to deal with it. But that doesn’t make her Mother Teresa and she certainly has no room to be casting stones about how anyone else behaved that night.
Oh yes. She was mean-tweeting, drunken typos and all. Piece of work, that one. I bet her boys had a stellar day at school-I’m sure every Wed morning is a treat for them lately.
Well I agree that Kyle shouldn’t be blamed for Kim’s addiction issues. In general Kyle has been trying to be the Queen B, and she has never been able to be it. She has also turned her back on Lisa V a few times and has plotted to take care her down ( Season 2 reunion) she also never truly apologizes, and always tries to portray that her family is so rich. I could go on and on, got plenty of reasons not to like Kyle.
I’m sure Kim has traumatized Kyle, I’ve been in the same situation and I was *certainly* traumatized. But I would never have allowed the situations to play out on camera. I would never have brought my in-recovery loved one to a wine tasting. I wouldn’t confront her on camera. I don’t hold Kyle accountable for Kim’s actions, I think Kim’s recovery has come at a very rough time in her life and she needs support – this isn’t support.
But addiciton is a scary thing, and I’m not trying to start any fights, seriously, but Kyle has been around addiction all her life, and she has been around cameras and microphones all her life, I don’t see her actually supporting Kim in any way. Apologizing after putting her in these situations is not being supportive of an addict in recovery.
Kyle apologized for the wine tasting. Quite a few times actually. Kim said it was fine. The wine tasting was not what pushed Kim off the wagon. Having an ex that was dying, children moving out, a son with issues, a dog she could not handle, pressure of a tv show and hanging with a notorious drunk was more than enough to push Kim.
Please don’t get me wrong, Crywolf, I do NOT blame Kyle for Kim falling off the wagon. I only don’t think that Kyle supports her in any way – or in any way that we see. Kyle knows she was mic’ed, she knows those mics pick up everything. Kim knows too but wasn’t in a condition to care.
When my loved one was trying to recover, she said it was okay to drink in front of her too, but I NEVER did. I can’t imagine taking her to a wine tasting in that situation.
It’s okay if we disagree, I’m not into fighting over the internet. Perhaps I just feel strongly because I’ve been in that situation, and it is HARD, and it is traumatic, for *everyone*.
Do you really think that if Kyle had taken off her mic, that Bravo would stop filming the scene? No. They wouldn’t. Kim would still have hers on. She was feeling “ornery” as I recall. So how awkward would that have been. It would have been clear to viewers at home what Kyle and Kim were discussing and yet we would still be discussing the wine tasting. Which Kyle did not know about. She has talked about this now on WWHL. The establishment and probably Bravo arranged for more than just a meal. Now I’ve seen people say, “well once she knew, she should have left with Kim immediately”. But it looks to me that Kim does not like attention drawn to her issue. So what is Kyle to do? Be practical and think of how much pressure all of this puts on Kim’s family. I usually do not take to commenting this much but I think when it comes to more serious subjects like alcoholism, it is important for people to try to see things from others point of view and not just the good guy/bad guy roles we project onto these people.
Kyle didn’t take Kim to a wine tasting. All Kyle did was set up the massages. The hotel and production planned the rest. Kyle doesn’t have the authority to shut down production because of the activity. Kim signed a contract if she didn’t like the activity she had other options. It is not up to Kyle to run interference for Kim.
I totally agree. It is very strange. No one is responsible for what another person says or does. Kyle is only responsible for Kyle. Yet You see the same thing play out with Lisa V. and Brandi. People blamed Lisa for what Brandi does. Calling her a mastermind, puppetmaster, chess player.. blegh. Or look at the ATL. Kenya getting blamed for what Claudia says. Nene/Phaedra getting blamed for Porsha dragging someone on a stage.
Yes, I understand this completely. Kyle gets picked on too much. However, Kyle has not always supported Kim the way you should. I don’t think kyle ever means to hurt her sister, but she’s human and makes mistakes too. Kim is already more sensitive and neurotic than most, so Kyle should be careful with word choice, ton and the environment they’re in when discussing sensitive issues with Kim. It’s a lot to deal with. Poor Kyle looked like she was having a panic attack at the table. 🙁
I feel so awful for Kim and Kyle. This is just as bad as the limo fight. Just sad. What an awful episode.
In my opinion, Kim is lucky Kyle hasn’t kicked her to the curb.
@Gingersnap I agree. I’m sure that by taking on Kim’s issues it is putting a lot of pressure on Kyle and impacting the relationship she has with her other sister, husband and children. At a certain point if it gets worse, Kyle has to prioritize them and cut ties. At that point I’m sure that everyone will hate on Kyle even more. 🙁
So Kim and Brandi can treat Kyle like crap at the poker table because they are more sensitive and neurotic than the rest? Maybe Kim should not behave in such away that everyone is made to feel uncomfortable.
@Valley No one is making excuses for Kim/Brandi. Just because they are being obnoxious does not give you the right as a loving sister to handle a situation like this illogically. Kyle is my favorite BH housewife, but at the end of the day, she should know this rodeo by now. She should have waited to confront Kim about what was going on at a later time. Add into a drunk antagonistic and nasty Brandi at a housewife filming and you KNOW this is the wrong time. End of story.
When has Kim ever supported Kyle? Seems to me last night she was calling her stupid.
Asking when Kim has ever supported Kyle is (1) not fully recognizing Kim’s role in the family and the dysfunction that existed in the Hilton family; and (2) assuming that an alcoholic will, without long-term rehab/AA meetings/counseling/sobriety, accept a role other than victim. The problem, IMO, is that Kyle and Kim fight over whose is more entitled to be a victim. And that’s not going to get them anywhere.
I feel Kyle takes on Kim’s problems tremendously, as though she is responsible for them. That being said ,that party was awful, awkward and embarrassing. Im positive Kim was drinking and she made up the pill story as a cover. But its her life, all you can do is give her encouragement to stay sober. Brandi is terrible for Kim, shes one of those women who, under the guise of friendship, will take you down with them. Even when it looks like shes doing the right thing, the hidden agenda is to have Kim fucked up worse than her, dependent and disgraced, so she can feel better about herself. Whatever you say about Kyle (I like her ok), she is so much healthier and functional, compared to Kim. Kim is a crazy crazy drunk. There is probably other substances, but I know a intoxicated person when I see one.
I disagree, Kyle is a horrible sister. She’s always been jealous of Kim since they were little and she’s the reason why Kim is so fucked up.
When you don’t have the love and respect of your family, it can really mess with your head.
Kim needs to get her act together, and Brandi for once did the right thing- exactly what Kyle should have done.
Kyle wanted to confront her sister on TV and humiliate her again just like the incident in the limo.
Agree totally.
I remember commenting a few months back about the Kingsley situation. It was my belief that Kim had not been around because of caring for Monty. It makes sense that in this time she had also slipped in her recovery. I, however, do not blame Kyle for this. I also don’t blame Kyle for the fact that Kim was in an establishment that serves alcohol. This is part of recovery. You either don’t go or you find a way to cope. I don’t blame Kyle for her sister appearing blitzed on a television show either. Because it’s not Kyle ‘ s job to fix Kim. It’s Kim ‘ s job. Hence the problem with Kim. She has everyone looking out for her, taking care of her and cleaning up after her. But when is it Kim’s fault? Brandi is merely using Kim. Kyle has been way more patient than I would ever have been. Especially after the dog bite.
Agreed. When Kim first got sober on the show, I remember being disappointed that she never seemed to take any responsibility for her actions. This is Kim’s only paying gig that I know of, and Kyle is trying to keep her sister employed and sober. That is one heckuva burden to shoulder.
One of my experiences with an addict keeps coming to mind when watching Kim and Kyle. My best friends brother was a long-time alcoholic, was struggling but had seriously long periods of sobriety, 7 yrs at one point. His family adamantly denied any benefit could come if they changed their own behavior. They refused to change the nightly family drinks if he was present, they seemed to think it was better to treat him as “normal”. That keeping the focus off the issue would somehow make it easier for him to be well. And he didn’t want to impose and ask them to do him any favors so he’d stay right there as dozens of drinks passed right by his face.
Add these Bravo cameras and I think the denial just gets even more pronounced, people just hold their breath and hope that the addict isn’t hammered. It’s not the right response but it’s predictable.
Sorry to hear you are sick TT; I thought you were goofing about hormones earlier, when you said a monster was in you. Feel better soon, keep away from the crappy shows!
I know what you’re saying — I have a close family member who is a recovering alcoholic. He always says everyone needs to be “normal” around him, etc. But I don’t drink around him — whatever, I’m not a big drinker anyway and I’m really proud to see how far he’s come in the 4 years he’s been sober. I know his sobriety is *his* and nothing I will do/don’t do would be to blame if he fell off the wagon, blah, blah, blah. But I still don’t want to put him in an awkward situation.
I’ve long felt that if Kim was serious about her recovery she should quit this show. I understand she probably needs the money but I think quitting would go a long way toward helping her actually get into a *real* recovery (she seems to have a slip up every season).
It’s so tricky-delicate, isn’t it angienc? There’s no easy solution but watching these sisters get tripped up by the addiction is so hard to watch. In truth, I can’t make myself watch it entirely. Best wishes for your friend, 4 yrs is good!
I agree about Kim quitting the show. I don’t think she can handle the stress of shooting. Being an ex-child actress, being in front of a camera and preparing for filming are possibly ‘triggers’ to her falling off the wagon too.
I hear what you saying. A neighbor has lost her brother and his daughter to alcoholism. They tried to get him to stop drinking for the sake of his daughter, but he refused. He died first, then later the daughter went downhill fast ,when she discovered her husband was cheating on her ,with several women he met online. Its so hard to know ,what will make a difference, or what will happen in life that will be so unbearable to keep their sobriety.
I feel certain that Kim has not been sober 100% since her rehab. Kim told Andy at that time that she never watched herself on the show, so I wonder if she watches this season? But I am sure Kim’s kids see this and since a few of them are adults, I wonder why they did not go to Kyle or Kathy Hilton to help their Mom?? I think Kim is very angry with Kyle and seems to have a ton of resentment towards Kyle. This was horrible to watch and I don’t find this entertaining, just stressful and miserable.
I applaud Rinna for flat out asking Kim. That’s the problem with abuse, people try to be “polite” about it. Rinna has been in show business for years I’m sure she’s been around the “substance abuse crowd” a time or two. I also feel ashamed that bravo had the balls to record this as entertainment. What a horrible episode.
You can’t trust the actions of an addict who is high/drunk at that time. Even just for safety reasons I can understand Rinna’s actions.
Yes, reality at its finest. I guess that’s what we signed up for when we tuned in. It’s not all rose’ and diamonds, but it should be 🙂
Well this was about as devastating to watch as i thought it would be. Poor Eileen was tryin to throw a nice fun competitive party and it turned to shit. I feel bad for her cuz she probably won’t have a redo anytime soon and Brandi’s drunken antics. Oh man. I bet Vanderpump is sitting back laughing her tail off not being at that mess. I hate it when shows make u feel bad for watching and i felt like covering ny eyes the last 20min. I normally don’t dig Kyle but for not smackin the crap out of Brandi for getting between her and her sister if she just wanted to talk to her then i have to give her props.
The irony of this being a poker night isn’t lost on me. i.e. Kim’s sobriety being questioned at Pam’s house. At least this poker party had furniture and food.
I have no words. This is awful. Shame on Bravo for sending them to a wine tasting without Kyle knowing. I feel so bad for Kyle. She was so shocked and panicking the entire time. I also feel bad for Kim. When she said she was feeling ornery, she meant it. 🙁 Also, SHAME on Rinna for effing asking Kim if she was on drugs or drinking not even 1 minute after she got into the car. Her confessionals had me laughing until it hurt, but that was not right of her. I’m waiting for Kim to tell her to go blow her lips up some more a la Taylor.
Good job Brandi for trying to be a good friend to Kim and get her out of there. Kyle should have simply let her go, but I also have enough empathy to understand that she wanted to check on her sister.
I may have to disagree with you on some points. I’m not sure it is as simple as Kyle just ‘letting Kim go’, especially under the care of the drunk retarded Brandi. If it were my brother fucked up on pills, I would have followed him out too, and if anyone got in my way, no matter their intent; I would have flattened them. Getting in between family members at moments like these is very risky.
I do feel bad for Kim and Kyle, it sounds like again Bravo gleefully put Kim into an uncomfortable situation surrounded by alcohol (most likely as it makes for good TV when the ladies get drunk together). I also don’t disagree with how Rinna handled the situation with Kim. If it were me, I would have questioned Kim as well, not to embarrass her in front of the cameras, but because if I was alone with an addict who appeared to be high on drugs, I too would want to know what was going on and gtfo of the car. Rinna may not have been tactful, but I can empathise with how she handled the situation.
I just hope Kim leaves the show after this season, It clearly is not good for her sobriety.
@Micheal – Very well said. I agree with you on every point.
No, it’s not simple, because it involves family, and there’s a certain amount of emotions involved. However, I have been in situations with people that I care about where I do disengage for fear of things becoming escalated. I’ve seen both sides. Kyle knows her sister better than anyone else, and I think she “should” have thought more clearly and realized further contact with Kim was only going to get worse…as the previews prove my point. lol
I respectfully disagree with you on the Rinna issue. First off, no one is ever alone with another housewife while filming. Second, If you suspect that an addict has been indulging, you try to PACIFY the situation. How would the situation have gotten better if Kim said “oh yeah, I’m drunk as hell!”? Rinna actually does a great job of trying to pacify Kim despite everything. Most other addicts would become severely offended and flew off the rails. It’s more dangerous to ask such a question if you’re already suspecting.
I chalked it up to Rinna being caught off guard in the situation, not that she was trying to antagonise Kim. I do understand where you are coming from about pacifying and disengaging. At least Kim is not ever violent.
Hopefully Brandi does have Kim’s best interests at heart and can support her. I’m trying my best to be positive. 🙂
I think Brandi does have her best interests at heart, but like Kyle, good intentions don’t always lead to good results when dealing with such a situation. There’s no reason why Brandi should be a drunken idiot in front of Kim ever as her good friend.
Rinna was probably just shocked. She’s not a horrible person and means well. I honestly would have pretended to sleep. LOL
That would have been the cutest response to that situation ever. I’m just imagining you pretending to nod off to sleep now.
So true Micheal. At first I was put off at Rinna’s seemingly abrupt question to Kim however, I figured we just weren’t seeing everything that had already transpired which was in fact what happened ( Rinna said Kim used her bathroom before they left and was acting strange) so she didn’t really ask Kim if she was sober the very second she saw her. I empathize with Lisa R. For having to endure her trip to hell which was the limo ride she shared with Kim. Creepy is putting it mildly.
I believe Kim shouldn’t leave the show, that’s her paycheck. What she should do is be strong enough to beat this Addiction.
I am not sure if we have all been watching the same show, do you not see how bad of a sister Kyle is?
Kyle has also been a Star wanna be, remember how she used to follow Paris Hilton all over the place, and even appeared of her show?
Kyle loves Kim being an addict, makes for good TV. That’s her role, the addict’s sister.
Paris Hilton is her niece, so it isnt surprising that she would be on her show. It’s a “showbiz” family. I remember Kyle from when Paris was having all her jail problems, she acted as the family spokesperson. As far as her being a “bad” sister-shes been financially taking care of Kim for YEARS, and dealing with the addiction issues. At some point, family members get sick of the merry go round. I cant judge what kind of sister she is-from what I can tell, Kim seems to be a pretty crappy one. This codependent dysfunctional sisterhood has been going on for DECADES-how can one judge from an edited, sometimes staged reality show how Kyle reacts or if she’s a “bad sister”? Kim is grown yet acts pretty helpless. All. The. Time.
For some reason I got the vibe that Brandi knew of Kims issues prior to these scenes being filmed. To me it was bigger than how trashy she was herself, or the fact that she had Kims back. I believe she is a step further and is maybe complicit in getting someone on the show more fucked up than her, or something evil. Like she’s encouraging her to numb herself, screw sobriety kinda way.
Exactly!! She knew why Kim was acting like that. She fed the other girls that BS about Lani bc Kim probably share the pills with Brandi and he is the supplier (whether he knows it or not). During the scene when they stalked Brandis bf they both seemed like they took a little something. Brandi didn’t want Kyle to talk to Kim bc she’s affraid they’d all find out.
I agree with this 100%! Been reading this site for quite a long time and it took this extremely uncomfortable episode for me to comment. The preview for next week looks more disturbing. Brandi absolutely seems like she has been fostering this behavior of Kim’s. Maybe that is what she is referring to when she says she’s been there. Ugh!
Love this site Tamara! I should have been posting ages ago but I’m lazy. I just talk to the comments. At least they don’t talk back…..yet
i’m amazed you even bother to watch the show if you already know what is going on in everybody’s minds. you know brandi so well that you can say she was evilly getting kim fucked up on purpose. ridiculous. i’m not a brandi fan but she was clearly trying to help kim & not doing a bad job when trying to hustle her out of there (despite brandi’s embarassingly gross comments earlier). it’s just too bad that her being protective of kim caused trouble with kyle. if kyle took the time to think of it objectively, i’d think she’d appreciate brandi’s trying to help. just too much drama with these women, & they have grudges over the dumbest things
Barbinga, I think you might just be onto something here!
I agree with whoever said that Kyle is being picked apart. She is probably walking on egg shells when it comes to her sister. She can’t ignore it when her sister is acting out of the ordinary or people will say something. If she does say something then she’s being insensative. The girl can’t win. Oh and btw it is never a safe bet to let ANYONE leave with a drunk. It was clear Brandi was drunk. If it was my sister you better believe I would not have let that happen because I would have taken her home myself.
Well , I guess that’s why you’ve got to really not give a shit about what other people think, and do what you think, is the right thing allways. Thats something Ive had to learn. Others are not necessarily smarter ,and some just like to judge harshly , without having a clue about what it would be like to walk in that persons shoes. Brandi is continuing to deteriorate in my opinion ,and will not actually have Kim’s best interests at heart, but Kim probably wont believe it for quite awhile.
I lost a lot of respect for Kim. You NEVER let a stranger lay hands on your sister. As soon as Brandi confirmed that she got physical with Kyle, Kim should have decked her; then ask questions later. Shame on you Kim.
Brandi isnt exactly a stranger and Kim was clearly too fucked up to be bothered with their tussel.
Beandi’s an untrustworthy drunk and full on enables kim.kyle had every right to check on her sister.I so wish somebody would beat the hell outta beandi
What the heck? Brandi not beandi
I’ll try to make this short.
Big slick is a poker term for first two cards dealt down being ace king. Didn’t have anything to do with the stick other than the idiots making it something vulgar.
I am not a kyle fan and I hated herr from season one when she told Camille to not be insecure and then outed her sisters addiction. However once it was out there neither had any choice but to address it and deal with it.
With that being said I never thought her issue with was alcohol but prescription drugs. She’s been on them the entire time To varying degrees. In my humble opinion. I dont think her behavior was drunk behavior but sedated and odd. Pills I say.
As usual Brandi is the jerk of the hour. I wish she would have a little more couth and class. Bravo should send her to Atlanta where they know how to put her in her place.
Agreed. Never once did I think alcohol was the issue. The chatty, airhead stuff? Yeah, I’m quite familiar with this. From a friend. Allegedly.
I think Kim has both issues. She was buzzed on booze too. Pills and alchahol go together and intensify oneanother. I doubt Kim would have allowed herself to be portrayed as an alchohlic, if she wasn’t. Prescription drugs addiction doesnt have anymore stigma than drinking does (illegal drugs do though). Notice how Kyle calmed down when fed the pill story. Ive allways thought Kim had cross addictions booze and prescription drugs and illegal drugs.
Hey Tamara girl! So happy this website exists! Ok anyway I have to say I denounced my #teamBrandi affiliation. I held on strong but the wine throw and this was way too much! I’m sure Kyle was humiliated as well as Kim, as soon as she sobers up. I just cannot believe the level of crazy this show has stooped too. Nuts. I will continue watching however bc I’m dead on the inside!!!
Not to conflate the two issues, but this is why I’m worried about watching the new season of Shahs. Tricky issues like sobriety and rape accusations are not the best ‘storylines’ for Bravo shows.
I refuse to watch Shahs. Bravo is not a responsible network, and I don’t trust that they’ll handle that issue in a responsible way. I’ll just be occasionally reading TT’s recaps I guess.
Bravo is shady af. It’s their fault, not Kyle’s, that Kim was even taken to that wine tasting. It’s disgusting.
I must have missed something-what is the rape accusation on Shahs?
Check the last post TT did about the Shahs getting a season release date, she tells us about it then. One character on the show accuses another of raping/sexually assaulting her. It sounds pretty fucked up.
I think Lisa Rinna probably spoke before thinking when she asked Kim if she was drinking or doing drugs. I wonder if it was just a knee jerk reaction. Lisa seemed really freaked out by Kim’s conversation. Kim’s demeanor and comments were a little frightening and I think Lisa may have been concerned for her own safety. Lisa had that deer caught in the headlights look going on on her face. She did say she wanted to stop the limo and get out. I don’t think she was trying to be vicious. Just think her mouth started moving before her brain engaged.
You nailed it down. Lisa must have been surprised to see Kim like this, knowing she is an alcholic, but has only known her sober. Kim’s behaviour was so bizarre, even for someone intoxicated. Ive seen her weird before, but this was even worse. I felt sorry for Lisa, as Kim was acting hostile, creepy, foul mouthed and unstable unprovoked. I probably wouldnt have asked Kim anything and would have just tried to pacify her .
I usually read the comments before posting but after this episode I’ve got to get my thoughts down while they’re still fresh 🙂 Apologies in advance for the excess use of exclamation points & ⊙.☉
— Re Kyle acting stupid: I imagine it was pretty difficult to sit across from your sister watching her relapse on national television (especially after all the flak she got after calling her out in the limo during S1?) And for a woman who takes credit/prides herself on getting her “best friend Jennifer Giminez into recovery, you’d think she’d be a bit more aware of her “new best friend” having a relapse?! But not dear ole Brandi. She’s treating Kim like a new puppy & she thinks Kyle’s jealous of their friendship. ⊙.☉ Instead of being concerned she’s friggin egging her on! But like Brandi said (paraphrasing) → “She needs people to support her & not judge her”. Can someone please tell me who Brandi hasn’t judged??
— Brandi (paraphrasing): “I think there’s crazy jealousy there – Kyle can’t stand to see Kim excel at anything”. And to think Brandi did her talking head AFTER knowing what went down at the poker party! ⊙.☉
— Re Brandi’s comment to Vince → “I feel like I want to have sex with him.” I thought Brandi’s hot-button was infidelity? Or is that only when she doesn’t invite the woman in on the act?! ⊙.☉
— Maybe Brandi finally gets it that everyone’s had enough of her using the “ex-husband” excuse → NOT. Now she’s using it for KIM!
Maybe Brandi should stay away from social media for a few weeks. I don’t foresee her getting much support & according to Twitter, many of her staunch loyal fans have FINALLY had enough.
Just can’t that old Helen Ready tune out of my head . . . ♪♫ You & Me Against the World ♫♪
Brandi is a very dangerous person for Kim to be BFF’s with. However, as many of you have already pointed out, Brandi uses everyone for personal gain. I find her to be one of the most despicable, immature people on television.
And really, there are just so many things that can be said about this episode, but you all have already said them so I won’t bother.
However, I DO want to say that I am on ANY team but team Brandi.
And I really do like Kyle. I know the baby voice can be annoying when she is talking about one of her fabulous trips, how lucky she is, how much she loves her kids, yada yada… But I believe she is a good person with good intentions.
You know, I may be going to Hell for this, but the only thing I was concerned about at the end was that poor, delicious slice of pizza…
That sounded insensitive. Let me clarify: the above was a reference to Brandi. Needless to say, it was was painful to watch Kim in this state.
I started watching RHoBH 4th season, so decided to binge watch the first three to fill in the missing pieces. I just finished the second season where Kim was looking so strong. It was really heartbreaking to see her in that state tonight. I hope as the season progresses, we see pick her self up and back into sobriety. I feel really sorry for Kyle. I lost a sister due to alcoholism. Really hard path for the both of them.
I normally love me some Lisa Vanderpump but she’s been giving digs to Brandi every episode. Not classy for someone who said she would be friendly and move forward. I see Lisa being very passive-aggressive and making inappropriate comments. She’s clearly trying to get back at Brandi. Brandi apologized and you don’t have to be besties but you don’t have to put her down and embarrass her every chance you get. I don’t think Lisa is wrong about her fight with Brandi either…..Brandi always (unfortunately) takes it too far but you agreed to move on and be cordial now Lisa is acting like a total mean girl. Kyle had mentioned something about Lisa acting like this in previous seasons toward her and now I’m totally seeing it. Lisa should be the classy Dame she is and stop with the digs and insults. It makes her look like she’s going down to ATLANTA HW levels. Not a good look on the most elegant housewife ever.
Out of everything that happened in this episode your take away was that Lisa Vanderpump is a mean girl? Fml.
Brandi didn’t apologize for lying about Lisa putting tabloids in her suitcase (something Brandi’s friend outside the show, Carlton, confirms *never* happened), nor did she apologize for ganging up with the others re: the sneak attack in P.R. Brandi only apologized for repeating rumors she had heard about Lisa (i.e., the alleged bankruptcy). SO, you know — until Brandi actually apologizes I don’t see why Lisa *needs* to accept one (not, btw, that people are ever obligated to accept an apology — it’s the gracious thing to do, but not an obligation; but there has to at least be an apology *first*).
I don’t think there much point trying to reason with this one. However, good try.
Brandi makes up some outlandish stories (tabloids in the suitcase, Lisa’s bankruptcy, etc) and for no real reason. Except maybe attention, which she perpetually seems to be in dire need of.
By the way, Kim CLEARLY said that whatever she took was HER script. He just handed them to her. Supposedly. So all you busybees speculating on Monty’s script might want to stand down.
I think you find this to be bullshit. Doctors don’t give narcotic scripts to sober people and people trying to stay sober don’t take them.
Tell that to Michael Jackson’s corpse.
Doctors will rx narcs to addicts all the time-sometimes it’s medically indicated. Drug addicts feel pain just as much as non addicts, and it should be treated the same. They might even need more than the average joe, since their tolerance levels are likely through the roof.
Yeah. No. That’s incorrect.
I was trying to make it through all the comments before commenting, but yeah, no… an above board doctor will not give a narcotic like that rx to a recovering addict. My BFF is one and recently had major surgery and the doctor said nothing stronger than advil.
And she also CLEARLY said that Monty was not home. Later with Kyle she said he gave her a pill. Kim was CLEARLY not being truthful .
I agree with TeeCee above – don’t put yourself between two Sisters. I don’t criticize Kyle in this situation b/c I think Kim’s addiction puts Kyle on edge because she never knows what will set Kim off. Would you let your sister, who is clearly under the influence, leave on a one hour drive with someone else who is drunk? That is where I fault Brandi. You may consider yourself Kim’s friend, but are you? Would Brandi do blow in front of Jennifer? She has no problem drinking and becoming a sloppy drunk in front of Kim. Oh well it’s Brandi so maybe she would do blow in front of Jennifer as long as Jennifer said it didn’t bother her (which I doubt would be said).
I don’t think Brandi was leaving the party with Kim, she was just walking her out to limo and that was the end of her plan of protecting Kim. Idiotic for Brandi to go with or to let Kim go anywhere by herself.
Brandi is lucky she did not have to collect her teeth off the floor, which would happen if Kim was my sister. She had no business body blocking and inserting herself between sisters, unless they were pulling knives on each other.
I felt like Brandi was being more of a co-conspirator than a caring escort. Ooooh! Escort! Maybe she oughta look into that! 😉
Two addicts together covering and enabling each other – old and common scenario. Those two should be separated asap, they are toxic for each other.
I want to applaud Vince. He was patient, cool headed and acted like he was in a group of normal people. He’s now my favorite HW hubby.
I thought Kyle’s behaviour was disgusting. Trying to get Kim for some last minute on camera drama, first insisting she eats a slice of pizza (as if that would help in any way, other than dragging out the “Kim is drugged” scene) and then following her around like a teenager
Brandi trying to “help” Kim is so completely the blind leading the blind. I had no problem with Rinna asking Kim if she was on anything-her appearance, aggression and demeanor were scary and alarming as hell-and she was on WAY more than oxycodone. Sometimes she looks/acts completely benzo’d out (maybe not that night) but I’d be willing to bet there was a combo of substances. Oh, Brandi. What a vile, classless, moronic, poor specimen. She is beyond gross, and I have more and more difficulty tolerating her every episode. How does she have friends?
I would almost feel sorry for Brandi and her decompensating on national TV if she wasnt such a bitch. Almost. I bet Eddie and Leanne are eating this with a spoon.
Also, I think Rinna handled the limo ride with Kim beautifully. She did her best to diffuse Kim’s outright aggression-it could have been so much worse with a different housewife. I love me some RInna. That said, the limo ride and poker party actually made me physically cringe.
Its really fucked up that Kim keeps getting put/allows herself to be put in this alcohol heavy situations. She will NEVER maintain any sobriety if she stays on this show. Being around that has to be tempting then when no one is looking she partakes in Montys pain meds. Its sad.
I’m not even so sure it can all be attributed to Monty’s meds. Remember her story in Paris that she accidentally took the wrong pill, because her contacts were messed up-mmhmm. Right.
I completely agree. Addicts are great liars…Kim is no different.
And Kim isn’t even a GOOD liar-her excuses make no sense, are disorganized and transparent. Bless her heart for trying. (that’s tongue in cheek, BTW 😉 )
Of course, she’ll always have an excuse for why she slips up!
I have read so many comments about poor Kim relapsing. However, no one has mentioned what I was thinking. Kim’s behavior caused Kyle to leave the poker table and enter the bathroom. Kim followed Kyle and Kyle’s immediate response to Kim was, “You are embarrassing me.” That comment only serves to exacerbate a bad situation. Notice how Kyle turns the tables and it becomes about HER and not concern for her sister. I believe Kim has experienced this several times in the past which is why both sisters have a volatile relationship.
Needless to say, Kim wants no part of her sister and becomes more agitated. This is why she decides she needs to leave because Kyle has upset her. She is in a vulnerable state and Brandi offers to accompany her. It is what good friends do in an unfortunate circumstance. Even though Brandi was drunk she was a calming influence for Kim. No one was driving and Kyle chose to intervene causing an escalation of events that did not need to happen.
Please note Kyle-it’s not about you it’s about your sister!!!!
It’s also about Kyle. She has been dealing with this for years. It’s most certainly about Kyle.
Kyle had a right to tell Kim she was embarrassing her-giggling when Brandi insulted her, telling her to *F* off repeatedly-it was horrible. Brandi had ulterior motives, her partner in altered-ness might be pulled away. I don’t believe for one second Brandi’s motives were altrustic. It is about Kyle-having to watch the sister she loves crash and burn YET AGAIN? So sad.
Good point about the bathroom….Kim followed Kyle in so everyone remember that before commenting about Kyle wanting their conversation on camera. She went in the bathroom to cry and pull herself together. Kim didn’t like Kyle calling her out on her behavior. Kim’s behavior as in you are acting like a fool embarrassing yourself, your sister, your hosts, and the other guest. Yes no one was driving, but is it still safe? How do you know that they didn’t drive to the nearest bar? You know stuff like that. If I were Kyle, I would of done more than pull Brandi’s arm out of the way.
I’m not disagreeing — but Kyle went to the bathroom to call their PR agent (or someone like that) to help her get a handle on Kim. She didn’t go into the bathroom to cry.
I actually do empathize with Kyle up to a point (I, personally, would not encourage my addict sister to be on this show and would do anything I could toward that, such as not filming with her, etc, but that’s me). However, lets not make up shit about needing a cry in the bathroom.
And of course Kyle called Kim’s behavior out and of course Kim didn’t like it — that’s the whole dynamic of their relationship. And instead of changing it, they keep on playing the whole thing over and over again — loving sisters one minute; mean mommy/bad child the next.
Also, lest we forget — Kyle has helped Kim lie about her addiction plenty and jumped all over Lisa for questioning Kim’s behavior in Paris *on camera/on mic* when “if she cared” she would have done it off camera. Same rules obviously don’t apply to their fucked up relationship.
You mean let’s not make thing up like Kyle went to the bathroom to call a PR agent? Because Kyle was clearly distressed and excused herself with her phone to text someone. Likely a family member for advice on what to do about Kim.
Your lack of compassion for Kyle in this situation is astounding.
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I’m just going by past behavior — season 1 after the limo fight, Kyle called her PR agent about what had gone down with Kim. She said it at the reunion — the family friend and agent to help her deal with Kim. I have compassion for Kyle having to deal with an addict, but I also recognize her role in the dysfunctional family dynamic that plays out over and over again.
And how do you know she was calling a PR person?
It is about Kyle. This is not her first time dealing with her sisters issues. She and her husband will be picking up the pieces when Kim goes back to rehab.
I have a feeling Kim has been trucked off to rehab many times. Who do you think it is that steps in to help Kim’s children and make sure the bills are being paid? **I’m not saying Kyle and Kathy was paying Kim’s bills, but I’m sure they are making sure all of Kim’s obligations are being fulfilled**
But they stole her house!!! LOL
And that is exactly why I do not like Kyle. Selfish, immature, vapid, take your pick. She is a back-stabbing snake with NO character.
Kim embarrassed ME and I have no horse in that race. I’m sorry, I feel for Kyle. She’s been living this for years with her sister and to have her cackling with Brandi while shes being called names and told to fuck off had to be hurtful and a betrayal, especially with the history between Kim, Brandi, and herself.
Brandi had no right to get between two sisters.
So many things wrong with this episode so I’ll stick to this one thing Kim said …”Monty gave me something. My doctor gave it for me and I took one” Wrong Kim. You took something because it was available and you wanted it. It was not prescribed to you by your doctor. I suspect that that she is minimizing the number of pills she took, something we drunks and addicts are comfortable doing. I can remember in my drinking days, I would swear I only had one drink, but I made it in a Big Gulp glass from the 7-11. In my mind I was as honest as I needed to be. So, she’s lying to herself and everyone else and that makes me very, very sad. Especially since I’m watching it.
Y’all have covered the important stuff. It ticks me off that Brandy would dog A HOMEOWNER’S decor. I guess her new rentals every six months are furnished? Wish I had the balls to ask somebody if they’re high. My southern upbringing would have kept me quietly uncomfortable. Looking forward to Yo being a hypocrite next epi and mothering Brandy, since she vilified LVP for it.
I think Brandy is so jealous of Eileen, it makes her head explode with rage.
Yes, Lisamia. I think she’s jealous of all the obvious things about Eileen (marriage, career, money, status). But I also wonder if Eileen helping raise Vince’s sons kinda pisses Brandi off, too.
Seems to me that Brandi “dogs” everything & everybody. Wasn’t it just last week at Yolanda’s house when she “dogged” a dinner guest’s ring (because it wasn’t big enough)?
Oh, yah, I was appalled at the ring comment. Then the finger banging thing was said …smh
Oh, and Andy, if you’re out there, why not demote Brandy to a FOH and make Leann Rimes an H? That’d be good times!
I’ve always wondered why Bravo hasn’t approached Leanne about coming onto the show even just for an episode or two just to rustle her feathers. They could always say she is a ‘friend’ of one of the housewives and just have her show up at a party. Now it is unlikely since she has her own show and contractual obligations.
Uh oh I may have spoken too soon.
Something uncomfortable to consider is that, (of course I don’t know if Monty has passed) but when this was filmed, what family member would want to force Kim into rehab at that moment? Because to do so would certainly have kept Kim from having her final moments with Monty, a commitment she made to provide hospice in her home. Rightly or wrongly, she wanted to be there for him.
Some days I hate this show for it’s thinly scripted crap. But this situation makes me feel nothing but sadness and empathy for that entire family, Kyle, Kim, children, spouses.
Of course I know you can’t force someone into rehab.
Sigh. I’m about to go read her blog, but I might regret it.
The weird conversation between Rinna and Kim about Kim getting back into acting was very cringe inducing. I think Kim was just acting out a scene, but in her state it just came across as she was losing touch with reality in the moment.
I thought RInna handled the entire awkward, aggressive, bizarre thing rather well.
I agree.
I can’t give Kyle credit for running after her beloved sister (oh the concern!)……… it was a last ditch effort for more screen time and drama.period.
Exactly. Kyle is so transparent, even though apparently even some intelligent people can’t see through that very thin layer of genuine concern.
I don’t want to be the guy who always comments on their outfits, but how has no one mentioned the horrible I Dream of Genie disguise Brandi is trying to make work in her talking head? It looks like a costume.
Also her winners speech was very ‘telling’. She is SO jealous that everyone else is an actress in some form or another.
With all the drama last night, only a true fashionista would notice the outfits. (I’ve heard others mention her Genie get-up too. We’ll have to keep an eye out for the re-runs.) ツ
Ugh, her hair is so awful that way too. Just makes her look like she needs a serious root touch up.
The two things I’m excited for next week?
1. The moment Kyle and Lisa Vanderpump find common ground on how to handle Brandi.
2. The moment Yolanda realises that aligning with Brandi was a big mistake, when she is told to fuck off when confronting Brandi about drinking.
Michael—My favorite post: “I don’t want to be the guy that always comments on their outfits, but…..”
Well, tag…you’re it! You are the guy.
The post-modern-shiny-cheap-satin-Valley look says it all. It is almost a relief to laugh about their silly costumes on such a sad and pathetic episode.
I always enjoy your posts.
It was so weird. It wasn’t even just a bad fashion decision like Nene’s wig, or the rise of white eyeliner everyone with orange skin tried to make happen. It just read as a tacky costume; all wrong. Which usually would be funny, but when she is talking shit about Kyle and commenting on Kim’s state of mind it was way too distracting.
Me, too!
That was a sad episode. I didn’t like seeing Kim relapse. I didn’t like hearing Brandi say inappropriate things. I think Kim should not be on the show, this isn’t celebrity rehab. Bravo should be helping her not exploiting her. If you have a substance abuse problem at a real job, they don’t allow you to keep working, at least they shouldn’t.
Has anyone NOT noticed that Miss Brandi is Miss Mess? Don’t worry when Brandi says something inappropriate; but run like the wind should she ever be appropriate for that shall signify an end to life on this planet as we know it to be. God does indeed love my housewives!
Now that I’ve made it through all the comments, I can’t say there is anything I would have covered differently…
Kim and Kyle = one effed up relationship and I don’t blame Kyle for being embarrassed. Also, maybe Kyle took her phone into the bathroom to call Kim’s sponsor?
No one really mentioned Yo, but I thought it was cute seeing Bella and Gigi together and playing “America’s Next Top Model.” Very sister-like.
Also, why am I getting moderated?? I’m not new!! TT, it’s because I said I hated Kristen on the VR thread, isn’t it? =)
Oh my poor wayward child-like housewives!! You have all made such messes in this episode that Daddi cannot possibly fix them. Hell! Daddi doesn’t even know what’s going on. Kim I need some of that stuff you are on. Nothing like a good clean OD for having fun. Maybe Brandi can fix everyone up with some anal. Will that go well with an OD? What did you say? Are we at Eileen’s yet, er…still? Lisa help us! Ohhhhhh! The pills are really kickin’. Call 911…or don’t. Oh for the love of crap will someone clear this up for me?!
We usually save the blog discussions for later in the week here. When things slow down.
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I look forward to that post. Hopefully you have the time to mention the Twitter messages the housewives are sending each other as well.
This episode was too sad to be entertaining. Brandi needs to be off this show she is escalating her violence. Brandi spun Kyle around on her heels so fast that Kyle just stood there in bewilderment for a second. Next shes gonna slap someone. If i wanna see people fight i will watch a mma match. That Brandi is a freaking Amazon but I bet she didnt put her hands on Kenya during CA.
I have a hard time swallowing any excuse Brandi offers in her blog. She’s never wrong, always just reacting to someone else, and the things she said about Eileen’s party are just childish, petty and rude. Pretty much sums her up.
Kim is a person who is so full of pain. It makes me sad. Her judgment is so bad. She makes close friends with Brandi of all people. That is a co-dependent dysfunctional relationship.
Kyle was saved by Mauricio and his family. His mom has always appeared to me to be the stable caring mother that Kyle never had. And Mauricio wasn’t going to allow is daughters to turn out like their cousin Paris.
Brandi as usual makes a bad and inappropriate decision to come between two sisters. Even if Brandi disagreed with Kyle’s approach Kim and Kyle are sisters and have years of history and that is something you just don’t put yourself in the middle of.
What is with Brandi and her gross TMI?? Yuck.
I felt bad for Eileen and her husband. The worst poker party ever! I wonder if Eileen will subject herself to another season of RHOBH. She is far too normal and reserved for this bunch of crazy.
I had a boyfriend that struggled with substance abuse, a great guy that worked hard but just would slip when life got stressful. Even though I lived with him I was always the last to notice. Sometimes he would confess to me before I even realized and then little things would begin to make sense. Yet I’m usually the first to detect abuse and relapses with peers and friends. I think sometimes the closer you are to someone the harder it is to see.
Regarding Kim, recovery is hard. It’s HARD. People seem to think that you just go to rehab and it will wash over you like the waves of the ocean on a beach – but it doesn’t work that way. You have to WANT it. It is hard WORK. You have to want it and work it every single day.
When the cameras turn off and the crew go home, when the well-meaning friends and family are all in their own homes with their own families, the kids are all off at school or with their own boy and girlfriends, it gets very very quiet. The darkness comes, then the cold loneliness, and the fear sets in – the paralyzing fear. The nights can be very dark and long. It can be extremely difficult if impossible to stay strong in those circumstances. You think, “Just a little to get me through. Then I’ll be fine.” Of course, that’s a big lie. You’re not fine to begin with.
Hopefully, this is just a slip instead of a full-on relapse. Also hopefully, she has someone around her who can give her the understanding and compassion she clearly needs, and not just scorn for messing up. I also hope she’s smart enough to reach out for the help she needs from good people in the program – that’ll make all the difference in the world, because as well-meaning as friends and family can be, unless they’re in the program themselves, they can end up doing more harm than good.
But what I really want to know is: Who the hell lights a fake fire log BEFORE removing the fireplace screen and opening the flue And then just stands there holding it?!
I honestly don’t think Kim was ever an alcoholic, I think she drank a lot but I think her problem was always a cocaine addiction. Brandi called Her out on it during one of her first episodes on the show. Also, the random trips to the bathroom, the showing up late, the airhead like behavior, the baby talk and sinus problems, the relationship she had with that one loser (i forgot his name), all seem more “Coke” related and they used “alcoholic” bc it’s not as taboo. Now the filming seems to be off bc of all the wine around. I do believe that she shouldn’t be drinking but she may have been prescribed some opiates to help her cocaine “come down” while in rehab or something. Just m
So true-I think the say she’s an alcoholic because it’s prettier in some way. I remember in the limo when she “found” the straw and baggy-her companions reaction was very telling, and so was her behavior. Give me a break that she didnt know what it was or that it was there.
The whole focus of this episode was on Kim’s recovery . . . . even before we watched her morph into “evil Kim”. Looks like Bravo set up EVERYONE!
Let Yolonda be Brandi’s friend since she thinks she’s a good judge of character. After all Ken didn’t call her STUPID for no reason!
Best, most accurate recap and exactly what I felt!!