Oh for the love of Pete. Pretty much everyone that follows me here or on Twitter knows I have spent the past few days whining about being sick. I have been trying to kill this crap with tons of soup and yogurt and marathons of Homeland. During this time, I’ve been letting some things slide on the website. One of those things was some information I was sent about the conditions of Joe and Teresa’s supervised release they will serve after they do their time. I figured I had some time to investigate that a bit further once my head stopped feeling like a watermelon.
This morning I woke up t the most ridiculous post on TMZ yet claiming that the judge told Tre and Joe they could no commingle their funds. What happened to their legal team? They used to know how to read legal documents, but lately not so much. Someone there really thinks a judge can tell a married couple they can’t have joint bank accounts? Seriously, let’s see how long the phrase, “put a wall between the other’s finances” remains. What does that even mean?
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Here are the conditions of their supervised release:
Joe Giudice:
(1) Cooperate with Immigration and Customs Enforcement
Things are looking worse and worse for Joe’s immigration. When this all began I was adamant that he would never be reported. The more I read on this subject the more my opinion on that changes. Because of the large financial gain by Joe, his charges are considered an aggravated felony which appears to be grounds for immediate referral to the Department of Homeland Security and for the past few years they have not been messing around. Also, the Customs Enforcement inclusion may or may not have something to do with that tank of Fabellini we have been hearing about. If they didn’t do anything else the legal way…. That’s just supposition on my part.
(2) Refrain from alcohol and drugs
He did this to himself by asking for the alcohol treatment in prison to reduce his time. He will not be allowed to drink on the two years of supervised release. However, if they deport him within the supervised release period, he will be able to drink all the Italian reds he wants. In Italy.
(3) Self-Employment/Business Disclosure
They will be keeping a close eye on his income for two years. He will have to disclose all income to his probation officer explaining where it came from.
(4) Maintain separate personal and business bank accounts
This does not mean separate from Teresa. It means just like any other law-abiding citizen on the planet who runs a business, you don’t commingle your business and personal accounts. Part of their financial shenanigans involved this very thing. You have to have a clean accounting of your business accounts without any other finances being mixed in order to balance the books.
Teresa Giudice
(1) Cooperate with the IRS
Remember that $200,000? For some reason even I believe Tre when she told Andy she paid her taxes. But if you look back at the plea deal, I said, “Teresa has agreed to pay $200,000 back to the IRS prior to her sentencing date of July 8, 2014 as partial satisfaction of her debt. She is also required to refile all of her taxes from 2000 through 2011 with all necessary documentation. She is required to make necessary payments for all affected tax years prior to her sentencing date. In the event she is unable to make such payments in full, she must set up a mutually agreed upon plan with the IRS. There is much discussion for forfeiture of assets related to the crimes, which would be her properties, as far as I can determine.” Further proof I can’t remember shit. One assumes some sort of payment plan was put in place and she will have to adhere to it. Or? Or What? Because she seems to have no consequences for not following the presentencing guidelines.
It is interesting this was not under Joe’s conditions according to the information I received via email which may not be complete. Is that because he will be in Italy?
(2) New debt restrictions
Basically, they are cutting up her credit cards. She will not be able to open up any new lines of credit. Also, liquidation of any assets she still has would have to be reported to the probation office.
(3) Self-Employment/Business Disclosure
All Bravo income, income from her other businesses, personal appearances etc must be reported. No more cash only meet and greets, etc.
(4) Maintain separate personal and business bank accounts
Again, this has nothing to do with Joe. It simply means that each business must have its own account and financial records and cannot be commingled with personal accounts. This is for tax purposes.
The reason I had this post on the back burner (other than the Ebola) was because I am not sure if these restrictions are in place NOW or if they only take effect during SUPERVISED RELEASE as the name would imply. It would seem these are the conditions for after they serve their time and are then RELEASED. The judge has given Joe nearly as much time a his supervised release would be before he is required to self-surrender. My imaginary Internet lawyer school didn’t include a course on the conditions placed prior to a felon’s self-surrender. I was hoping to talk to an actual attorney about the ins and outs but my favorite one had a major trial this past week and it wasn’t the appropriate time to pester her with questions about housewives.
Anyway, now that these ridiculous stories are about to be repeated all over the Internet as fact. I thought I would tell you guys the real tea. It’s really not that exciting which I guess is why it is being made out to be something much more salacious.
Now I shall resume my previous whining and self-pity, already in progress.
P.S. Thanks to Valley View for her help with this post.
If refraining from alcohol is part of his probation, then he’s most likely going to have to get rid of any and all alcohol in his house as well. Goodbye wine cellar! They will come check. I have an immediate family member who has been a probation officer in New York for over 20 years, and she used to do the home checks earlier in her career. They don’t mess around. I also have a couple of friends (yes, really friends.. not me lol) who have been on probation and they were not allowed to drink or have any alcohol in their homes. They were also not allowed to be in a bar.
He can be in a bar. He can be wherever he wants as long as it’s legal. He can’t consume alcohol or drugs. Given that he is on Pretrial supervision, and will be until his surrender date or violates, he will be given both UAs and breathalyzers as part of the conditions of PT. Because he is an admitted alcohol user, and reported to the Judge he has a problem with alcohol he DEFINITELY gets random breathalyzers.
There is a difference between probation and parole. These two will be on parole when they finish their sentences.
Yes dear, but in court records they still refer to the PROBATION office as the place where they have to report such things. And actually it’s not called parole anymore either, the new term is “supervised release.” Tomato. ToMAHto
Thanks for the correction though.
Like Lori, I too know someone who spent some time in Federal prison with a voluntary surrender date. Immediately after hi sentencing he had to report to probation office. All conditions that were set for his probationary period after release went into Immediate Effect. No drinking or taking meds not specifically prescribed for him, reporting of income, reporting expenditures,piss tests, home visits by P.O. etc were mandatory. He was, essentially, on probation before the surrender.
They don’t simply let you walk around doing whatever it is you do (or did) until you find yourself in confinement. I think Joe will be under supervision until he’s possibly deported.
Unless things have changed, he won’t be fucking around or getting fucked up. No reason he should be having a good time while the wife is away.
Our friend hated probation. He was ok when it was decided he was to be deported. Only drawback was his wife, child and her family were American. He can’t visit. Their son had some serious health issues that required hospitalizations back here in the states. He could never come with them even for a medico emergency.
That last part is extra sad.
Since most of are not Felons or jail birds we do not know the correct language of the Judicial system.
Parole is an agreement for early release where as probation is offered in lieu of jail time. The rules and procedures are basically the same.
There is no parole in the federal system. They will be on supervised release.
And Joe Guidice will give random UAs and breath tests for drug/alcohol use. Credit checks will be run periodically to check for new credit.
Thus, you know, the title of the post.
Shit, I’d just go ahead and move to Italy ASAP!
I’m surprised that he only got 2 years supervised to tell you the truth.
I think 2 years is pretty much the norm for most people. The offices are overworked and don’t really need to spend that much time monitoring people to see if they are drinking and/or paying taxes etc.
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Yeah, but they will not be able to drink on camera.
So much for some people’s hope for any Joe and Rosie show.
One scene that has always stuck with me because it just made me so sad was when Joe was drunk and fell and broke his tooth. The girls crying… Made me never want to see him drink on camera again. I don’t know why it made me so sad, but it did.
That’s because he won’t be here. He’s going to be deported.
I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t violate. Joe seems like the kind who can only “be good” for a while and then he’ll say f*** it.
Me too! In CA the norm is 5 years.
It looks like based on a handful of cases I’ve read lately the norm in NY is 3…
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Italy sounds great. Somewhere right on the coast.
Once again, a very well done job! Extremely informative and easy to understand. The same reason why I scroll on past other’s posts and wait for yours.
Hope you feel better soon TT!
I really do think Joe is going to be deported. I just have a feeling. And that’s what confuses me about the repayment of their bankruptcy mess. Can that debt be enforced in another country.
And once he is deported no way in hell is Teresa and her four daughters are going. It’ll be time for that divorce and if anyone still cares at that time, her book deal.
Just like Caroline predicted lol
Four more kids in America without a father to pay child support. I just don’t see why Immigration, or whichever agency will have jurisdiction regarding the deportation issue, would deport Joe and leave the kids fatherless and without financial support. I’m sure there will be MANY special interest groups who will apply pressure to keep him here. I imagine this could turn into something comparable to a political football and the bottom line will be, who will it serve best. I think in this case, the children will be a consideration as they are the only losers by having him further removed.
lol. Sorry. But that is funny for a million reasons. Joe will not have the ability to be a bread winner win he gets out. Gia is the best shot for income as she will be old enough to work by then. The courts don’t bend the law so kids can be with their daddies. The visual concept of “special interest groups” picketing for Joe Giudice to stay in the country has me in stitches. Sorry.
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Why don’t Teresa and the kids go with? If it is that important for them to remain a family unit-go with. Joe can pay child support from Italy. It is on him to support his children whether or not they live with him.
I agree with Tamra-not one special interest group will be lifting a finger to help Joe. I don’t even think Joe will fight the deportation order.
I don’t think Joe had any legitimate income. I think all of theoneu he had was fraud money. He hot money from his parents every month, but I think that’s it.
Well God those typos
It was supposed to say all of his money he got was from fraud.
And then the other part was he hot money from his parents every month.
Pain pills… Geez. Maybe I’ll just read and not write tonight lol
I still won’t believe it till I see it. I don’t just don’t believe they will deport him because I can’t see why they’d bother. Is it because he is a convicted felon they want to throw him out or because he’s not a documentedUS citizen? Not like I want him to stay, just why? What purpose would it serve? I don’t believe they’ll be picket signs but I think they’ll be groups who would support him to keep him with his kids if necessary. I agree with whoever said he probably won’t even put up a fuss. He’s just a dumb, harmless creature who married an equally dumb person. Why destroy people for their mistakes. This is is so fucked up on so many levels. I don’t know what your stance was on Paula Dean, I wasn’t on your blog then. But, same kind of overkill. Did she deserve to be destroyed? Totally unnecessary and uncalled for in his situation.
I agree with your logic (except for the part about anyone caring about Joe being deported other than family and fans) and held on to that logic and argued that logic for a long time until I read some more recent information on the laws. It seems pretty cut and dry these days that ALL aggravated felonies are immediately flagged for deportation by ICE.
I’m as astonished as you are. It did not used to be the case.
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I can see your point that maybe deporting him seems useless. Except it’s the law. So, I won’t have any pity if it happens.
I wouldn’t consider Joe harmless, he’s a thief and con artist.
Melissa, exactly where do you get your information about Joe Guidice’s income?
Do you get income tax and FICA withholdings information transmitted to you via your tinfoil beanie?
I don’t feel that what Joe & Teresa did was harmless. They defrauded people and other people have had to pay for the same type of crimes. By spending time in prison and/or being deported. They have not taken this seriously since they first found out they might be indicted. They went on the show knowing that becoming a public figure could expose their financial affairs. They didn’t care. They either wanted the fame or were greedy for more money. Either way, they weren’t thinking about their children, family, or getting caught. They were to arrogant. They also are ignorent, but thats no excuse for their behavior.
I’m, teecee I stated *I thought Joes only income was from fraudulent gains. So that’s my opinion, that’s where that statement came from. Just my opinion.
My statement about his parents giving him money, I can’t remember the exact document but I know it was provided in some of their court papers.
I don’t wear a tinfoil beanie, it’s actually a fedora.
pssst….. You’re not making sense. You okay?
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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TT me not making sense? Sorry it’s my pain meds. Had some dental surgery and got an infection and before he can go back in I have to do antibiotics and steroids. So I’m on pain meds.
Maybe I should just read and not post… It’s just that I get verbal diarrhea when my head is in space… Putting mittens on my hands to not type anymore tonight… Sorry…
I don’t understand why Joe’s parents were giving him money. Are they rich?
Joe claimed he was receiving $10,000 from his family for support as part of his original bankruptcy petition. I believe that was a phones-baloney fabrication to make it appear that he had legitimate cash flow to feed the family. I call BS on that!
I can see Teresa leaving with him if she can’t get out from under her debt and restitution. I wonder if his restitution is tied to hers at all. If he is deported would his debt be hers as well? If she can live better in Italy I think she’d go.
Yeah, but would the same apply to her ina situation like that? He would be forced to leave. She would be going by choice.
I think she would choose to leave if she found herself swamped by insurmountable debt. If she doesn’t get not her reality show I dont see her being able to pay. And I don’t think she wants to. She’d leave. She can come back for a visit
Yes, they are jointly and separately on the hook. Italy seems to be in everyone’s future.
I wonder if they can hold Teresa’s passport until the debt is settled?
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I’m not doubting that she would love to run away to avoid paying back that money. What I was trying to say was, would she be off the hook like he would? Then again, I’m not even sure if legally he would he be off the hook. Would he?
Regardless, if she did decide to stiff her creditors, I wouldn’t think that coming back for a visit may not be the best idea?
Does anyone know what would happen if she decided not to pay back the money? Could there be legal repercussions? I would imagine that the creditors would sue her at least.
I’m sorry. For some reason I didn’t see your last comment Tamara.
Sad note, but will Joe inherit a lot of money when his mother passes away? Would the authorities be able to seize it to pay his fines, etc.?
Sandy I think Mamma Giudice is broke too! Her home just went into foreclosure and I think I read Italians do not believe in life insurance. Whoops!
They will not deport him.
I worked for Superior Court in NJ for 14 years and with cases that the defendant was an illegal, ICE was there the minute they processed out after serving their sentence. Then they sat in holding in Newark for up to six months sometimes waiting to be deported. Joe will also be billed for his transportation back to Italy.
In cases like that are their monetary obligations just dropped then?
I believe the monetary obligations in this instance are jointly and separately those of Joe and Teresa. So Tre will be on the hook.
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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That doesn’t seem fair.
Then again, she’d probably be doing it all anyway. I mean who’s gonna hire him, except maybe Bravo for a spin off? She’d better pray that show biz doesn’t dry up for her any time soon.
Making them jointly and separately liable for the restitution is by design, Joe may skip on the $10,000.00 fine but the government did not want Joe to be solely responsible for the restitution as he would never pay. These two have gotten very good at sticking debt with Joe and Teresa keeping the assets. I think the gave Teresa a break by allowing her to file separate tax returns.
Yep, this is what everything I have read seems to indicate. I must say I’m surprised as this has not always be the case. I’m all for deportation of non citizens committing crimes, btw. I just really didn’t expect it.
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Wow! Well that’s interesting. If that’s the case she may leave with him. Oh wait? She won’t be allowed to leave the country while on probation probably.
Can they defer his deportation until monetary obligations are met?
I surprised as well about all the discussion surrounding deportation with him. But I really do think it’s going to happen. Hell, he will probably be better off over there. He has tons of family there.
Tre will be off supervised release by the time Joe is out and/or deported if everything goes according to plan.
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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It wouldn’t surprise me if Joe has never earned an honest dollar in his life. I think he has probably been shady and grifting and working “under-the-table” from the time he started working. That’s just who he is, and he thinks he’s cool. Once he came under scrutiny, he could no longer con anyone out of any money at all. He couldn’t even work in a pizza parlor for 15 minutes. So Teresa had to take over. He struts around like a big ape, but he’s really living off Teresa 100%. There’s no way he can pay back anything he owes by legitimate means, so I think he would actually prefer to go back to Italy. He probably thinks he could escape his debt that way. And I don’t think he would care if Tre and the kids stayed here. They’d just cramp his style, anyway. The best thing that could happen to those kids is if that criminal went away permanently. He’s a terrible, terrible example for a child to look at.
Tamara, I love your posts! You’re so intelligent and yet fantastically raunchy. What a great combination! 🙂
If Joe is going to be removed, ICE already has a detainer in place and he will be released from the BOP straight to ICE custody.
I can see Bravo filming Joe in his gandola rowing back to Italy.
LOL. That’s a funny mental image. Especially if you add Milania to the gondola.
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Oh Lord miliania and Joe on a gondola… I’d watch.
I’m still laughing about that five minutes later! Plus, the idea of Milania being in the gondola (thanks, Tamara!) makes it even more hysterical. Joe would probably jump overboard before he reached international waters!
Joe isn’t an illegal, I don’t think.
You’re half right. It’s the last half.
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 5:04 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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By the time Joe is done serving his sentence, Tre might be done with supervision and leave for Italy once Joe is finally sent. Also, a judge has the power to amend a sentence, so she probably should stfu. And stop wearing what are obviously REAL diamonds.
If Teresa’s smart, and if Joe is deported, she should be glad to see him go back to Italy while they only have four children, and he can take his short, squinty-eyed, grouchy, cheating, thieving genes with him.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. All these years, he’s apparently only had a green card, which is basically a pass to live in this country (cough, cough, as long as you obey the laws) for an unlimited time, and enjoy a lot of the rights a citizen earns. He has done NOTHING for the benefit of the United States. He defrauded banks and mortgage companies out of $5.2 million dollars! Imagine all those one dollar bills laid out one by one on your living room carpet – that’s a whole lot of money – in fact, the average living room wouldn’t be big enough! He also committed tax fraud, which means that while the average person was paying taxes to fund schools, roads, law enforcement, the military, retirement for congressmen, etc., etc., etc., Joe Giudice was living high off the hog without doing his fair share. Not to mention what a jerk he is in his private life. Only a mentally impaired person like Teresa would put up with his infidelity, insults, lies and general obnoxiousness. In other words, WE DON’T NEED HIM, and he needs to go back to Italy ASAP. Of course, they probably won’t be impressed with him either, but that’s another story.
eel sorry for the probation officers. I bet they are drawing straws to see who gets the Joodices or Judyches or how ever the heck you pronounce Giudiche.
Feel better soon.
Do their daughters speak Italian? Because it’s time to buy Rosetta Stone.
I was thinking the same thing. Rosetta Stone is a pretty good thing too. I had access to it at my last job, but I wasn’t able to access it from home, so I didn’t use it much. Plus, I think I was supposed to be doing Spanish and I think I was doing French,… or maybe Arabic. WHAT? We might have had a spurt of Moroccan immigrants enter the district, and I wanted to be prepared. I would have been the ONLY one with such foresight! 🙂
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I speak bad French and my Spanish is limited to where does it hurt and don’t push.
My Spanish is limited to “Why doesn’t my kid have more homework?” And how to order beer and get laid. I can do the last thing in pretty much any romantic language.
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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fivecatsownme, are you a delivery room nurse, or just talking about your sex life?
Oooo my ex was a half-Egyptian half-Moroccan. He went back to Morocco and wanted me to come with. I decided no on that, but man was that great loving (all around not just in the bed), and since we both speak Arabic I pat myself on the back when he called out various names of God during sex.
And as an International whore (cos I think we people who don’t discriminate when it comes to gender for sex/love/etc should reclaim the word “whore” and make it the good thing that it is) I speak Spanish, French, Mandarin and Japanese as well.
Joe and Teresa’s first language is Italian-although I presume Teresa struggles with it. It would not surprise me if Gia knows a great deal of Italian so she can sit around with mom and grandma and gossip about Melissa, the tramp, who married Joey. (I don’t think Melissa is a tramp.)
Actually, Teresa’s first language is English, though you would not know it. And if you don’t believe me you can look on her presentencing form, or maybe it was the plea deal form. She answered the question about English being her first language as yes. For some reason I have no recollection of Joe’s form. Either I didn’t see it, or it’s my CRS. 🙂
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Tamara, maybe she didn’t understand the question. Hahahaha! I cracked myself up.
TT in your opinion is Rosetta Stone worth the money?
And I love your confusion about the language you were learning!! lol
Spanish, French.. eh, it’s all the same!
I dunno how much it costs. And I did not use it much. But it seemed like a pretty good program to me.
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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They probably at least know all the cuss words, plus how to say, “How much is that?”. Milania probably gives them all lessons every week. God, I feel bad for picking on that kid so much, she’s really just an innocent victim of bad parenting. Who the hell am I kidding, she’s the devil’s spawn! (Just playing, Milania -you’re a delightful little girl – now don’t go getting all ‘Omen’ on me!)
Love this post!
Could just be me but I think there is a story behind the $200k that was due by/at sentencing. Joe clearly stated he had it and then said he wasn’t sure what happened to it while Tre was trying to shut him up saying they didn’t have the money.
I think Joe will end up shipped out of the country. Tre will divorce him and will be telling the kids the whole time that ALL of this was HIS fault.
I agree. After rereading my own commentary on the $200K in the plea deal post, if she didn’t have the money to pay in full she was supposed to set up a plan. Joe said on WWHL “there was a plan in place but I dunno what happened.” And Tre immediately started her shushing stuff. So to me Joe was like, of course we had the money to pay it! I don’t even know how that happened. And because Tre has her own case and clearly didn’t tell Joe everything, like perhaps that she told HER lawyer they didn’t have it, they were put on a plan.
Just a hunch.
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Your hunch makes sense and further proves she is the ring leader in my opinion.
Yes TT! I thought that was very telling, and through the whole interview she kept over talking him or saying smartly to him “can I talk now?”
Teresa was the only one required to post the deposit. At the beginning of the hearing it was asked about and Teresa’s attorney claimed it was being processed. Maybe the attorney confused the $200,000.00 being processed with the Fabellini being processed. I agreed with Andy Cohen they had March, April, May, June, July, August and September to process and deposit the money.
Joe got very smug knowing the judge had sentenced them so it was just another payment that was missed. I am kind of hoping the probation officer will ask for an order compelling them back to court to explain why they make deals they can’t keep.
I’m still confused about the fabellini deal. So they paid for it to be made in Italy and then shipped over here? Doesn’t seem cost effective and I could have sworn there was a plant here doing.
But I could just be permanently confused and wrong on that.
My guess is they just bought a tank full of some generic EYEtalian crap and shipped it over.
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Eye takin… Will now be the only way I can spell it.
OMG Eyetalian…
Between auto correct and pain meds… I’m just gonna be quiet now..
Those must be some mighty fine pain meds, Melissa. Que le duele? Feel better soon.
Fivecats lol yes they are strong, I got an infection in my gums from my dental stuff and before he can go back in I have do a course of antibiotics and steroids. So I am staying hazy, and drinking milk shakes…until my kid notices and takes it from me and brings me an Ensure lol
You know how everybody does those stupid duck lips when they take selfies? I have them without trying to get them. I’m very pretty about now!
Do instant breakfast, protein powder, whole milk, and ice cream. Add frozen fruit like a banana if you want. Tastes much better than ensure.
“My guess is they just bought a tank full of some generic EYEtalian crap and shipped it over.” I suspect that when T mentioned a container of Fabellini shipped over from Italy she was talking about a Shipping Container filled with cases of wine, not a tanker. (I think the labor to fill and bottle in the US would be much higher, especially if the Eye-talian wine merchant slipped in some cheap Chinese swill transshipped through Italy.)
On WWHL they said they bought a tank full, that is almost empty, that they bottle here.
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I used to work for Seagram, and I do know that in the industry some wines are shipped in glass lined tank cars and bottled in other locations. Nowadays it isn’t done nearly as much as it used to be. I personally have only seen it done by train, but I would imagine they can, and probably do do the same on cargo ships.
Melissa “so they paid for it to be made in Italy…”
From the tgFabellini.com website:
“Fabellini was produced in New York, but to minimize costs and not sacrifice quality, we are moving our operations to Italy.”
Anyone else wishing this season was over so we can see the reunion?
The finale is in two weeks which includes the Giudices fate after pleading guilty. Sounds like they shortened the season. The following week is Secrets revealed. I would think it would be the Reunion.
You know, VV, you’re as handy as a pocket on a shirt once I stopped being such a cunt to you. 🙂 Funny how that works sometimes.
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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TWO WEEKS? This has been the most bizarre, short, and boring season in Real Housewives history.
New Jersey has always been my least favorite, I never understood all the hype from a few years back.
This season sucked and Tre and Joe’s woes have totally blurred the whole season for me. Not to mention the newcomers are total throwaways.
I feel ya’, Katimir. This season is depressing to me.As much as I know Joe and Tre deserve to be punished, I feel so bad for them, can’t help it. I find it hard to watch the show now knowing what lies ahead for the Guidice family.
Tre and Joe’s woes caused me to hardly watch the whole season. I didn’t want the crooks to profit somehow. I agree with the newcomers being throwaways too. NJ has gone from bad to worse, if that’s even possible. I think a mercy killing is in order 😉
Honestly, it’s unconstitutional to tell someone they can’t drink wine. I know, I know. Release is a privilege and no a right. Blah blah. But alcohol has nothing to do with this case. I just don’t get it. Other countries would nd ER try to do that. We are liberal in all the wrong ways.
They do it for the ones they just paid for to go through rehab. Teresa will most likely be free to drink the wine when she gets out. It’s penance for the many months their sentence is reduced by. All part of the politics.
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Maybe that’s included because he said he’s an alcoholic and we will be paying for his treatment?
We will???? Really? Tell me exactly how you are paying for anything g related to this?
We are paying for this because we pay our taxes. When they go to prison we pay to house them and feed them. When Joe goes to rehab so he can cut time from his sentence we pay for that. When they committed their frauds(not just them,but all greedy dishonest people out there)every honest hard working family paid in the form of higher interest rates and harder to get loans. Teresa & Joe got Fancy Furniture, Gucci Purses, and Vacations. The whole time Teresa kept saying: why me, I didn’t do anything wrong, & blaming everybody else for things she did. I don’t think either of them know what telling the truth means. Now their going to College, and Teresa still really isn’t taking responsibility for her actions.
smjluv3 – you hit the nail on the head! These are costs to the general public that lesser-informed people don’t think of. Hope Joe and Teresa learn a lot ‘in college’, but I’m afraid that’s probably wishful thinking. They are scumbags, and it wasn’t until I watched WWHL and saw Teresa jumping in all the time to censor what Joe was saying, that I saw for the first time how she probably wasn’t the innocent wifey-poo dragged along with Joe’s criminal behavior. She’s dumb as a door knob, but sly like a fox.
And teecee66, you need to open your eyes and understand how the world works. Every cost, everywhere, is absorbed by someone.
So if Joe is deported will he ever be allowed to come back, or no? Teresa will not go with him, not with her parents here. The only way that will happen is if they pass or move with her.
I wish they would suspend filming until she is out and recast. The only thing I want to see Teresa come out the winner is By shutting down the show so Melissa and Jeeeeow can’t be on it. Like her or not, Tre is that show.
Yes. That is what deported means. It means get the fuck out of the country you are not welcome here, asshole.
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Hysterical!! Maybe we can get a sign printed up saying just that and hold it up at the airport if/when Joe gets his’ vacation’ in Italy. Can’t say ‘deportation” – that would intrude on Teresa’s carefully designed sense of reality.
Huh…in researching the case, i found out from court transcripts and press statements (in addition to Joe telling the court he smokes weed) that it’s a possibility of him being granted a visitors pass after a few years.
What do you mean by visitors pass?
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I re-watched the episode where she flipped the table and screamed “prostitution whore.” I would be scared of her if she was in my family.
Totally agree. She should have believed more in herself, but she had to learn.
What are the consequences IF (and they probably won’t because neither of them have ANY idea how to run a legitimate business!) they do not comply?
As I’ve been following this tale, I can’t help but think I’ve been doing it wrong. $13 million, 15 months. What that tells me is go for white collar crime, steal over a million.
The would never give normal people that kind of money. I still don’t know how the Giudice family were able to pull it off, unless they had help inside the bank or actually had significant assets at one time. When they get out, they will not be able to work normal jobs. So the fact is, the majority of the debt will never be paid. The restitution will be repaid over an extended period of time. Thus why most offenders end up back in prison.
I’ve thought all along this very thing. Joe is not bright enough to present a convincing enough tax return and other required documents without some help. He said on WWHL that all he did was sign was he was told to sign. There has to be a crooked accountant and/or mortgage broker who could have helped them make their paper work look authentic in order to get these loans approved. There’s more than just fake paper in this fraud. He just doesn’t impress me, and most people obviously, as bright enough to even know everything that would have to be in place to pull this off, yet they did. There are definitely other complicit individuals out there IMO.
Besides Juicy saying in an old episode that he taught Joe Gorga how to make money (or something like that), I also remember a big fight they had because Joe Gorga was very upset that his own father had taken Juicy Joe under his wing instead of his own son. Now I’m not saying that they were talking about this sort of stuff, but I just keep thinking about that in my head.
It seems odd that Joe’s parents are considered citizens, but their child is not. Maybe, the parents are not citizens either. A long time ago the children would become naturalized citizens. With all the illegal immigrants invading USA and 911, the immigration laws have become stricter. The law is the law!
They’re considered citizens? Didn’t know that. They must have applied for, and received, citizenship after Joe was an adult. He never bothered. You’d think, as close as they all seem to be, that they would have done it together. I applied for citizenship with a friend in 1995, and it was a really cool experience going through it with someone else.
there are only a few crimes considered aggravated felonies-and with those, the deportation process is almost guaranteed and expedited. I would be surprised if he stayed in the US. ICE does NOT mess around anymore.
Does Teresa have dual citizenship and would they extradite Teresa back if she was in violation of her parole? (i.e., moving to Italy without permission?) Honestly, if I was in their shoes, as soon as Joe gets out of the clink, I’d head to Italy and do a new show there. Bravo would probably pay for it and we would probably watch it. Do they take your passport when you go to prison? Does Italy have to let Teresa back?
LOL at y’all thinking they will have a show in Italy. The concept is so ludicrous I can’t image anyone entertaining the concept.
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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