Yesterday, I did a live post of the Giudice Sentencing which you sort of had to be there and on top of things to be able to follow. Also it’s getting to the point where we need a fresh place to comment so I am going to do a chronological post summary of yesterday’s events now that I have time to sort this all out.
First, Tre and Joe rolled up to the courthouse in their giant white Mercedes SUV replete with bodyguards. Tre was in full face camera ready makeup with a couple extra heads of other peoples hair sewn in. Her hair was down so she could use the hide your face technique. Court began at 10 am and immediately it was obvious that the judge was pissed off. Reporters in the courtroom had many of the same issues as those of us outside the courtroom. When was a good time to sneak to the bathroom to tweet? Thanks to NJ.com ‘s @VickiHy we were able to get the gist of what was going on in the packed courtroom.
First we need to remember how exactly these criminal masterminds found themselves in this situation. They lied. The falsified W-2 forms to support their lies. They lie to dozens of banks to receive dozens of mortgages on their properties. If you missed it, the first 39 counts are outlined here. For those who think it was all Joe, Teresa knew exactly what she was doing. She lied about being a real estate agent who make $15,000 a month. She lied about several other jobs. They spent all the money and then thought they would just file for bankruptcy once the fun was over. This was their biggest mistake. They went to bankruptcy court and lied some more. They lied about assets. They claimed they had no rental property and did not include the income, but checks were signed by Teresa and deposited into her Fabilicious account. They lied about many other things. The Feds eventually indicted them on 41 counts. Because the stole millions of dollars and lied.
So imagine how happy Judge Esther Salas was yesterday to have the lying liars who lie show up in court with their attorneys to review their pre sentencing documents and discover that….wait for it…they lied ON THEIR PRE-SENTENCING documents. Both of them, separately lied about things like cars, RVs, furniture, jewelry, handbags, clothes, construction equipment and Lord knows what else. They lied about the value of the things they did claim and did not even stick to the same lies they lied on their bankruptcy forms. The prosecutor pointed out all the lies to the judge and then the judge spent the next couple of HOURS lecturing their dumbasses, asking for clarification, hammering their individual attorneys and asking for explanations. What she got were excuses. Joe’s dad died. The accountant is super busy. They forgot they had all that stuff. They didn’t think it was important. So for the first few hours all we were hearing was that Judge Salas was really, really mad. We also found out that the reason the sentencing had to be postponed was because they were four months late getting these forms in to the probation officer. It took an extra four months for them to come up with these ridiculous lies.
Then Joe’s attorney made his plea to the judge for leniency. A lot of his position was based on deportation. He presented his case to the judge as if Joe is sure to be deported after all of this is over and the family would be forever separated. Oh, this guy. His attorney said that the Joe you see on RHONJ is not the real Joe. It’s all fake! He tried to get them off the show but they refused because they had “no other source of income.” That is interesting. Or another lie. We have eyes, we see the huge house. We see the expensive vehicles. We even see Joe driving them without a license. The drama is fake but all that expensive shit got in that house somehow. He also said that Joe going to college would traumatize the children. Joe’s attorney said that Joe’s attempt to exonerate his wife show what a great guy he his. He read the now infamous letter from Juicy’s soon to be homeless mama stating Joe should just get “a slap on the wrist.” Joe read the following statement, “I stand here humiliated before the court and my family and society. I disgraced many people, including my wife and four daughters. I take full responsibility for my actions. I promise to be a better person.” Those present in the courtroom felt the judge wasn’t buying at all.
Joe got 41 months in jail (3 1/2 years) followed by two years of supervised release, a $10,000 fine plus $414,000 in restitution. I don’t understand how the judge arrived at the $414,000 figure but that money will likely be divided between the banks who are federally insured. It seems like a very low amount in restitution, so the lies on the forms must have actually helped them get that figure down.
Then the judge took a very brief break before sentencing Teresa. You know by this time her meds were wearing off and she was really sweating it.
Teresa’s attorney asked Judge Salas to downgrade Teresa’s plea deal sentencing range according to reports. It was reported that the judge declined to downgrade. At that point we assumed she was still looking at 21-27 months. My understanding now is that related to home confinement more than length of sentence. At some point her attorney argued for home confinement. The tweets seemed to indicate that happened after the judge already ruled. It was a bit confusing because no one wanted to leave the courtroom to tweet and miss Teresa’s sentence.
At some point, Teresa read a statement to the court. The order of her statements may not be exactly accurate as I was following a half dozen twitter feeds who were tweeting different things. The gist goes like this, “I’m blessed, but today I am also humbled. I fully take responsibility for my actions. This is not how I was raised. I am more sorry than anyone will ever know. My four daughters are my life. I don’t care about the TV show. I’m scared, I’m not going to deny it, I’m really scared. It’s time for me to wake up … my daughters are my life that’s what keeps me going. I’ve done so much crying.I don’t care about the TV show or materialistic things … we lost my father-in-law and that was the first grandparent we lost.Now I have even more to give. I will take this experience and continue to do the right thing. I know in my heart everything happens for a reason and I’ve found my reason. I will make this right.” (She may not have repeated things, again there were multiple tweets combined in the quote above.)
The prosecutor’s response was , “she thumbed her nose at the court…now she wants sympathy. It’s business as usual.”
The judge eventually gave Teresa 15 months plus two years supervised release, plus an $8,000 fine. The $414,000 in restitution is shared between Tre and Joe which means Teresa will be paying it by herself. That’s probably another reason restitution was so low. Plus they have all of the other creditors still coming after them. The judge said that “her gut” tells her that Teresa needs to be in prison. The judge also said that the Giudices do not seem to understand or respect the law. She lectured them against future offenses. At this point everyone reporting was exhausted and there was not as much detail. Just a lot of people tweeting that Teresa was sobbing and crying and hysterical when the sentence was handed down. Those tweets continued for a good while. Teresa left wearing her sunglasses and her hair covering her face.
Teresa will serve her sentence first beginning on January 5, 2015 at a federal penitentiary that will be selected by the Federal Bureau of Prisons folks. I just read that the Judge admitted she extended the time for Tre to self-surrender so they could all be home for Christmas. Joe will follow after she returns. His attorney is asking for alcohol rehab in prison so hey, he may end up in Kentucky with Apollo! If he is granted the alcohol program, just like Apollo, it will knock some time off of his sentence.
Do you think the sentences were fair? Too long? Too short?
So what are the chances she goes to the prison Martha Stewart was in?
This morning ABC news said the two that were being considered for assignment were the one Martha Stewart went to in Conn.? I think and another prison in Wet Virginia.
For Teresa…they did not mention Joe.
ABC news is making that up. The BOP hasn’t even considered a request yet. See my above comment regarding where she will be placed.
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Well it is the one closest to her. However, in the book OINTB I remember piper talking about how the prison stopped taking new prisoners at one point. I forget the excuse they used, but the real reason was the warden did not want Martha Stewart at Danbury. Piper was in prison at the time Martha was sentenced. It was kind of odd, but I guess NO ONE wanted the drama that comes with a celebrity inmate. Martha had asked for Danbury as her first choice but this moved blocked her from getting in. Her second choice was Colemen Camp in Florida… that was blocked too. She eventually settled in Camp Alderson located in West ByGod Virginia.
Clearly, Danbury is Tre’s first choice…we will see who is willing to take her.
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Tamara, by all accounts, when & how did the investigations into the dirty life of the Giudices begin? Was it Juicy forging his partners signature or am I wrong?
Anyone remember how Teresa flipped her sht and insisted her brother & Melissa kick out that woman from their home?The lawyer. Why? Because she is the one who started digging into their sht and exposed them, starting with the forgery. Oh ya, Teresa had NO CLUE she had been doing anything wrong, sure, that’s why she FLIPPED OUT on that woman being around. As if kicking her out if the Gorga home was going to “make it all go away”…delusional sociopath.
This should lead you back through all the documentation I have done. I can’t remember if I fed the dog today. Sometimes I google a question and it leads me right back here and I read my own article and think, hmmm that’s interesting and I really trust the source. 🙂
http://s17948.p858.sites.pressdns.com/?s=GIUDICE
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Wesley Snipes was in FCI McKean, near my old hometown. Maybe Joe will go there.
She will go to Alderson in West Virginia exactly where Martha Stewart went.
…so does anyone else think that bust of Lady Justice giving face is absolutely beautiful?
Tre definitely should have bought when when was still swimming in those stolen diamonds.
Yes, I totally forgot to comment on how stunning that courthouse is…
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I know Joe will have two years probation/supervised release once he serves his sentence. Do you know if he will be under supervision while Teresa is serving her time?
I know someone who did Fed time and had to report to probation right after sentencing even though they had a surrender date a month or so away.
The judge or probation could order him to AA and counseling while Teresa is gone. They should if he will be the only parent there. They will probably make it a condition of his probation. If they start now with AA, maybe he won’t need rehab in 18 months when Tre gets home. He can serve all his time then.
He never struck me as an alcoholic, so that’s just a ploy to cut the sentence down?
IMO Lisamia – We see him drinking A LOT during the show & something in the back of my mind vaguely recalls a DUI – but I may be wrong about that… I think he may actually drink too much – unlike Apollo who just used it as an excuse….
Yes, there was a dui resulting in his license suspension and subsequent fraud by using his brother’s identity to get a new driver’s licese.
This is definitly a wake up call for all.
Believe in retrospect, that this is best for all…including girls.
Alcohoics in denial. There are a few of them on the shows…
Will Joe make it through the year (sans tre) without getting into more trouble?
Doesn’t the lender bear any responsibility? What about lawyers?
Yes I think you have it absolutely right-this could turn out to be the best thing that could have happened to them. I have always thought Joe was an alcoholic or pill addict, just based on his behavior. Teresa I don’t think was physically addicted but did rely on it as a coping mechanism. And the obvious you can’t take what doesn’t belong to you. I hope this really does serve as a wake up call for them, and not “why is this happening to me?!?”
Oh I definitely think he’s an alcoholic. I also think his attorney is using that to get some time reduction.
After more lies in the pre sentence reports and the judge basically saying that is why she got confinement, I wonder if Teresa really gets it now?
If I were her, I’d really be thinking about what the judge said. It was something along the lines of if she had put something down, ANYTHING, as an asset, then house arrest would have been appropriate. Her arrogance and greed did her in right up until the very end.
Her attorney crowing at anyone who will listen about how she would get probation or house arrest made her over confident she really started to believe the hype. I think that attitude had a lot to do with her getting time.
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Of course it is a ploy, but he is a big drinker. He’s fallen down drunk on the show many times and had a DUI or two…
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Yeah… Remember when he broke his tooth and the girls were crying?
You’re kidding me. Major drinks like a fish. He’s always walking around the house with a bottle of wine.
Major?
I find it odd that his attorneys would call him an alcoholic, pothead and then argue for him to stay home and watch the children. Maybe there is a reality show in it for him.
They called him a pothead?
No. But I think he had pot on him during one of his arrests. His lawyer was just suggesting rehab for the sentencing break. I don’t think it was in his plea deal though, I’d have to look. So it’s up to the warden to determine if he gets in the program at this point unless his atty can wrangle it in advance with the judge. He has plenty of time to tell Juicy to get another DUI before he has to go.
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Good point!
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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He definitely has a drinking problem. I just don’t think it’s the “core” issue. I believe he drinks to keep his mind off his shady dealings and to get to sleep at night.
He fell and chipped his tooth on Christmas drunk. On camera.
If Joe has even glimpsed AA for his drinking, ,he’ll know that “rigorous honesty” is a prerequisite for sobriety. I think Teresa’s sentence is served first to shorten her anguish of anticipation. Why didn’t the defence teams submit IQ results in mitigation, and social ethics questions. The Guidice philosophy was “this is what everyone does, which makes it right”. Anecdotally, Italy has a full price for a home paid by me, since resold, and will not refund me, 5 years later, and are acting as though I have an incredible nerve to expect it back. Further, Interpol wants the victim, me, to pay for the translation of the file – a trifle at €8,000. Humbug and prestidigitations, amounting to grift.
Teresa going first just makes the most sense. If Joe were to get deported it could possibly (but not likely) happen while Tre was still serving and then the kids would have no one. Plus making someone wait 3 years to serve would be cruel.
Also gets the girls permanent situation stabilized faster this way.
So….it sounds like they like to lie. Lol!!! Judges and prosecutors hate that.
The judge was looking out for the girls by letting Teresa report in January. Teresa will have a lot of work finding a new home and moving. There is no way they are going to be able to stay in the mansion now that they do not have any bankruptcy protection. She is going to have to liquidate her assets. I wonder if there will be a sheriff’s sale on the 25,000 worth of furniture. I could see the feds just showing up and seizing assets. They are notorious for that.
Teresa is going to do a lot of growing up. Up to now, its been the easy part. Now the hard part starts, no credit, no money, selling ( or watching the sale) of the stuff that you literally gave up your freedom for, and living life under federal probation. Now is the real drama on the show.
It is pretty normal for someone not to have to surrender for three months. That’s the general average.
No, no it is not. It is usually 30- 45 days but thanks for playing. The judge has stated that the reason for the unusually late reporting date is so that the poor thing won’t miss Christmas.
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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IT should be beyond proof that they don’t get it when they pull up in a brand new Mercedes SUV (what collasal nerve!) with bodyguards. WHO
IS PAYING FOR THAT????? I wonder if the judge knew that.
I should not care as much as I do but these crooks are like the Mafia – think’
they are above everyone and there is no law important enough that they
can’t hide from it or ignore it. HORRIBLE, IGNORANT. VILE PEOPLE.
I’d love to see her in prison w/o her makeup and hair “slaves”, no designer
clothes or furs or shoes or jewels. I really hope she will be interviewed there.
I just have this feeling that some of the inmates will take Teresa under their wing, show her the ropes, and basically cater to her. She will become their project. Since she most likely will be without her hair products they will braid and cornrow her hair. God I hope I see a picture of her with her hair in cornrows.
OMG, that is a really scary idea…and hilarious!
I think that is the likeliest scenario if they know who she is. I suppose it could go either way, but I have a feeling it will be just as you described.
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I gotta admit to being annoyed that Joe and Tre are not having to serve their sentences at the same time. Yes, they have four kids, but how about all the other kids out there with shit-parents that are both in prison, why didn’t they get to stagger their time? Joe and Tre got off light and should be very thankful but I seriously doubt either of them are smart enough to realize it.
I think it is really up to the judges discretion. I don’t think the judge staggered their sentences because they are “celebrities”. I have seen other cases like this where the judge did the same thing. I think because it’s a white collar crime and a federal crime they have the ability to do that.
I think he still has the state charges pending. I recall he set that off to avoid raising his sentencing guidelines score sheet. If so, the state judge is still a factor and may not be interested in postponing sentencing for another year. This “staggering” business may not be a done deal.
It’s a done deal. Joe will get no additional time for the DMV thing. http://s17948.p858.sites.pressdns.com/2014/09/22/joe-giudice-back-in-jersey-court-today/
I may be wrong but I thought the punishment from the state would run concurant with the federal punishment. I could be wrong though.
Oops just saw what TT posted…
Probably to eliminate the likelihood that the state would have to pay out AFDC to those kids. Even if they go with relatives, with both parents incarcerated they would be eligible.
Absolutely! This way they take care of their own. The Government or state cannot make a relative take care of those children. If that were the case, we would not have so many children in foster care.
Both Joe and Teresa serving time together would have terminated Teresa.
The End.
Ummm I think just because some children are suffering with two parents gone doesn’t make that right. Depending on the crime I think judges should try to stagger jail time
Teresa doesn’t seem to be very intelligent…her husband isn’t either…
I think that’s a little bit of an understatement. I just can’t get over how stupid they are. I really can’t. Lying liars who lie, pretty much sums them up. What assholes.
TT, you said you expect Teresa to be the one working to pay off the restitution money. You are probably right, especially if she does get back on RHONJ or her own Bravo show, as you suggested.
I have been wondering if Joe has been doing any construction work or any kind of paying job during these months and months of waiting for all his court cases to be finished. He probably couldn’t get money to build anything but he should have enough connections to get hired, even as just a laborer.
I think in any future reality shows they might be on he better look like he is helping support his family, not just riding on Tre’s coat tails while throwing insults her way. She needs to get over her delusions of grandeur but insist Joe pays his way even if she regains popularity and earns good money from TV voyeurs. He is too young to be a Greg Leakes purse holder. Hopefully, Joe is too macho to be kept. An honest redemption story could be popular, but that may be an impossibility for these two.
I am really getting too far ahead of events. Thanks for keeping us updated and organized, Tamara.
Once she gets done with her sentence, I bet Bravo will want to give her a spin-off with her trying to rebuild her brand like Martha Stewart and trying to raise her daughters while Joe is away. That’s rating gold and Bravo and Andy has to know it. Teresa will do it because the only way to make big money and attempt to get the massive debt of her and live not in a 4 bedroom apt. is to go back to Bravo and their checks and stuff. Heck if I was Bravo I would approach Joe and try to get him for a show for a year while she’s away.
Buck I was thinking the same. Bravo should give Joe his own spin off and show him raising his 4 daughters something like Mr. Mom. Rosie can come by to help which would give us banter between Joe and Rosie. Those two are funny together. Maybe throw Chris Laurita in a couple of episodes so Joe can prep him, Chris, for his inevitable prison time!!!
I have never cared for Teresa and I don’t think she could carry a show or stand the humility of her being portrayed as poor. She had a hard time when Bravo had her “bringing home the bacon”, by Reunion time Joe was setting that comment straight. I think it is time for them to fade into obscurity and take Phaedra with them.
See, I think the Giudice’s sheer stupidity makes them more likeable than Phaedra who seems truly delusional.
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I don’t think a reality spin off with Joe and the girls would be very much fun or healthy for the girls. I doubt it’s going to be very entertaining in their household for a while, as I would imagine that that year that Teresa is away will probably not be an easy one for them. Little girls don’t usually do so well without their mommies around.
TT, do think they are stupid or the act is stupid. Those financial Papers take some amount intellect to fill out. Negotiating through what lies to tell to be approved. if everyone could, everyone would.
I seriously think both of them are of below average intelligence. I think Joe at least knew he was breaking all kinds of laws. I think Tre knew too but didn’t fully understand the consequences. I don’t think the dumb thing is an act.
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 11:55 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Can’t believe you said Joe rides on Teresa’s coattails. Teresa Giudice hadn’t worked a DAY IN HER LIFE up until you saw her on Real Housewives. And filming a reality tv show isn’t actual WORK for the housewives anyway, please. I know they cry & cry that they work these “long hours” but it is NOT WORK. They’re not on a movie set having to learn a book of lines, having to get into character, having done research into their character, research into the makeup or lighting that should be used, they’re buffoons pretending to act while doing things in their own homes & neighborhoods and going on vacations. That’s not WORK.
Joe supported the family from the day he married her until the day he got caught forging his business partners name. Sure they got the Bravo checks as well, but Joe was the earner & if not for him and whatever he did to get there, Teresa wouldn’t have been living in the area or friends with Manzo & Laurita when the Bravo network came looking. She ONLY started doing things to make money when she HAD TO, Bc Joe & her were scamming and they got caught. So “mama” had to use her “celebrity” and became a chef all of a sudden. Then a wine connoisseur, then a hair care specialist…the list goes on…so that’s what? Maybe 4-5 years? That’s ALL Teresa has WORKED.
Btw I’m not on Joes “side” per say and credibly don’t agree with his fraudulent ass, it WAS HIS stupid selfish disgusting act that got them caught anyway…forging your business partners name???? I mean how much more VILE can you get?? I started my business with partners, eventually bought them out BUT the level of respect I have for them never faltered…they helped me build my business and were my PARTNERS when I didnt have enough capital to go alone…I can’t IMAGINE EVER lying, cheating FORGING their signatures…who does that? Juicy and Tre are both animals, make no mistake, but I think Juicy has worked more in that family.
Worked more as a forger you mean?
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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”Joe supported the family from the day he married her until the day he got caught forging his business partners name”
BWAHAHAHAHA. Joe was getting a five figure a month allowance from his daddy, scamming banks with Teresa (BEFORE RHONJ WAS A TWINKLE IN THEIR EYE). Tre got a high paying job and EVEN PAID THE IRS. I think you should search bankruptcy in my search box and go back and look at Joes income…
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Teresa has a degree in fashion merchandising and mgt. She worked as an associate buyer for Macys. Being a stay at home parent is work. Bravo shows the parties, shopping sprees, lunch with the girls, etc. because Bravo scripts the fantasy. Teresa is greedy, selfish, ignorant, has bad taste, and thoughtless, but she is not evil. She deserves her prison sentence and all that comes with it. I am not a Tre hugger , but I don’t believe in being vindictive.
Well I have never seen two people more stuck in stupid than Joe and Teresa Giudice and obviously you can’t fix stupid. Not only are they greedy, lying, stupid criminals but given the opportunity to try to get leniency on their plea deal, the chose to be lying McLiarersons again. OMG, did it not occur to them that the whole reason they were in court was for lying and stealing and that the judge would not look kindly on them being stupid enough to lie yet again? Are their attorneys stupid too? Did they not check the list of assets and value before it was turned over to the court or did Tre and Joe just bypass them? Hopefully someone in the family will be helping Joe care for the girls while Tre is away at college because he still doesn’t have a drivers license. Maybe they will be a good influence on them and help them understand what is happening and give them some discipline.
Joe’s mother will be raising those girls while Tre is in the slammer. I don’t think for a minute he’ll be the one actually cooking the meals, doing the laundry or picking up/dropping off from school, dance class, etc. That’s women’s work and just because his woman is gone, don’t think he won’t unload it all on the other women in his family. His mom needs a place to live after all…
Ok I’m back in the moderation corner as usual. It’s my punishment from WordPress for not commenting in several days. They don’t like me.
When you go away WP forgets all about you. So, technically it is your fault.
I would think that for the little Guidices girls, that Teresa going in after Joe would have been better, not sure how he is going to handle that well.
Also like to say, I feel pretty bad for all the contractors amd small business that they screwed, what about their famlies and children.
Oh please, Teresa’s parents are going to step right in and take care of the girls..her parents, along with Joe’s mother who is now a widow and doesn’t work, Joe also has a very large & very tight knit family. (Did you see the episode with the family picture they took?? HUGE family lots of cousins. They have a TON OF FAMILY, those kids won’t ever be alone or depending on Joe alone for ANYthing.
Melissa Whorega will prolly pick up the little ones 2-3 times when she can film it (during the year Tre is behind bars) and get manicures & pretend she’s the best aunt. Joey Whorega will take his godchild Gia to Pole Position again (again, when it can be filmed) and drive around bumper cars to play the doting uncle/godfather. They ARE better off around Joes family.
LMM Please read the commenting rules especially #4 http://s17948.p858.sites.pressdns.com/commenting-rules/
Also, Tre’s parents are in very poor health especially her father and unable to care for four bratty girls. Filomena, Joe’s mother is a new widow who is losing her home to foreclosure, she can’t tend to four kids either. Joe may move her into the house and leave it to Tre to get her out when he goes to Prison. Right now, Filomena is the fifth child.
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I really hate the nick names reminds me of that immature site {site name deleted}
Mel Please read the commenting rules http://s17948.p858.sites.pressdns.com/commenting-rules/ Particualarly #2
Oops sorry, never commented on that unsaid site..sorry again.
Thats what Joe & Tre are missing (among many, many other things!). Their crimes werent victimless. Many families got hurt financially while they lived larger and larger.
Absolutely. They don’t give a shit about that, and that part really pisses me off.
I hope these reality TV fools soon realize that faking wealth for the camera is just dumb and obvious.
Joe and Melissa are fakes too who had to downsize.
Jac also downsizing.
Remember Lynn from the OC was served eviction papers on camera.
These shows use to fun to watch but they are now train wrecks.
RHONJ needs to end. Nobody of interest is left.
They stole money, lied, and tried to miss lead anyone they could. If any of us common folks got into that mess you can rest assured the judge would do a whole lot worse. Those two got of easy, and they don’t even know it. Someone in a previous post said they didn’t think Tre and Joe were too intelligent. They are the dumbest two people in the world to think they wouldn’t be found out , and then think they can get away almost clean with it when they did get caught. I think the RHW shows are getting so outrageous with all the expensive things. Get a grip people even rich people don’t flaunt their things like that. Most people with money have a lot of nice things, yes, but don’t flaunt like the real house wives do. It’s just saying look at me, look at me, and guess what the Feds did, how stupid can you get. Then they go nuts cause they got what was coming to them. I think a bunch of those women on the RHW shows better make sure their finances and taxes are in order
Hmmmm Tamara – what have you done with TeeCee? I can’t believe she is not here commenting “on the STUPID CUNT” LMAO!
I sent her off for reprogramming. She will return when her attitude improves. heh. Or something.
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I haven’t seen anything reported on why Teresa has to serve her time first. Any ideas?
Try reading the many, many many discussion in comments about it?
I feel sorry for the 4 girls. They didn’t do anything wrong. I heard if they didn’t lie on the pre sentencing documents that the judge would have given Teresa home confinement. Also, I heard that the judge denied for Joe to go to an alcohol program in jail. I’m just happy that the girls with have both parents for Christmas this year since it will be awhile for both parents will be back. Does anymore know for sure if Joe will be deported? I heard the Judge is women who is the first Mexican women to be a US Federal judge. Also, Andy is doing interview with Teresa and Jo and it was taped today. It will air on Monday. Can’t wait to see what they said to him. Andy tweeted a picture of them in the clubhouse and Teresa and Joe were holding hands. I haven’t seen a lot of tweets from other housewives about the sentencing.
Um Sarah, please read the commenting rules. Especially rule #3. Also, try reading some posts and comments here before asking questions. The search box works well. For example if you put deportation into my search box…you’ll find everything I posted on that issue.
Here are the rules. http://s17948.p858.sites.pressdns.com/commenting-rules/
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I wondered the same thing, as to why Teresa would go in first, my bad. I highly doubt though that Joe will be deported, but who knows.
I was watching my Twitter feed on the day of sentencing and there was no one tweeting other than Amber and Jim, and they were tweeting about the show not about Joe and Tre. No one is saying anything that I have seen.
But, but, BUT! What about Teresa’s Shopping Addiction? Can’t she go to rehab for that and knock a chunk off her sentence? It’s just not fair!
Did anyone else watch Bravo while the Court was in session? They ran old seasons of RHONJ all day. Watching Tre load up, literally, 20 suitcases full of Gia’s clothes for a photo shoot for her acting portfolio, because the first set of pics she did was too “pageanty”, really brought it home for me exactly how much (stolen) money this woman flushed on her shopping addiction. It was crazy watching it all over again, knowing what we know now. Flashing $200k in cash for furniture and then claiming $25k in her pre-sentencing paperwork. WTF was she thinking??
I can’t imagine Gia seeing those reruns. These kids, especially Gia, are going to need some serious therapy. I doubt they’ll get it with their Mom’s current attitude of “pretend everything is great and don’t talk about actual reality”. As much as I’m relieved that our Court system isn’t a complete bucket of bullshit and these two received real punishments that fit the crimes, I’m really, truly sad for these girls.
They do not care if you’re married to a US citizen or have american born kids any more-if you commit a crime, especially an aggravated felony, you’re outta here.
Remember when they went to Italy and Teresa could not stop shopping as she dragged everyone from store to store. That’s when I realized her problem with shopping addiction wasn’t subsiding.
Any 12 Step Program would help her, but she needs a lot of honest humility in order to really make that work. There’s programs in the prison, like AA. All she’d have to do is replace the word Alcohol with Shopping or Spending.
She has to get past blaming everything that’s happened on others and hit bottom.
“She has to get past blaming everything that’s happened on others and hit bottom.”
Maybe in Prison it’ll sink in. From everything I’ve seen come out of her mouth so far she accepts no responsibility whatsoever and looks at this whole chapter as something that happened TO her, like an earthquake or a flood, out of her control. But I haven’t read the interview post yet…going to do that now 🙂
@Tamara, thank you! ☺ You have once again kicked your ‘competitors’ ‘ asses with your live coverage AND interactive mini tutorials about finer points of law as it pertains to factors specific to the Giudice’s; their histories, deeds and misdeeds, the judge’s comments, the sentences that she adjudged, and how the Giudices may or may not serve their sentences, PLUS (my personal favorite), how you addressed “Tre’ Huggers” comments, their reasoning (warped or sorely lacking), and in some cases, their rudeness, to get them in line, so we may all enjoy ourselves.
You beat the other blog sites, whose best reports began and ended as reworked national news service and network news releases. Most evidently some didn’t even bother to try to make the stories their own by adding key historic points as you did, possibilities pertaining to sentences or explanations of vague or finer points, and most important, your provision of interactive coverage is a luxury that NO OTHER SOURCE PROVIDES.
I have said it before, and I will say it again. Your presumption that your readers are intelligent is evident (and greatly appreciated). However, you still make an evident effort to bring newbies up to snuff, and sometimes will even tow, coax (or when necessary for a sorely disoriented soul), nudge, or occasionally even give a milder ‘shove to put him or her into their proper place in orbit of Planet, TT.
Thanks again, and sincerely,
@Tasos826, I would like to second your well written love letter to TT. I love her too, appreciate her immensely and don’t know what I did with my days before I met her. Joking aside, “NO ONE COMPARES TO YOU, MISS TAMARA TATTLES!”
Job well done once again.
Aw, thanks for drinking the Kool-Aid, Meredo! 🙂
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Thanks Tasos! Your opinion means a lot to me.
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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You’re very welcome. You deserve praise for the work that you do, since you go beyond and above what the vast majority of competitors do, and do what others can’t or won’t, because of the thought and effort it requires.
I also appreciate your humor, even when someone goes where no man, woman should EVER tread.
Yeah, um sorry about the vulgarity. Sort of. I was under a moral turpitude clause for over a decade. I have a lot of amorality left to get out. 🙂
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I couldn’t have said it better! This is by far the most thorough and insightful coverage I have seen on this debacle. There is just so much stupidity over the years to string together and make sense of…I doubt anyone else has the attention span for it!
Ok my question TT is this. Joe doesn’t start his sentence until Teresa finishes hers. Why does he get to wait all that time to start alcohol rehab and get to use it in prison to shorten his sentence when he has 15 months to do it on his own?
Oh you don’t think he really wants to go to rehab do you? He can’t afford rehab. Plus he will be taking care of the poor churren. Rehab will definitely have to wait for prison…
As the Giudice make changes in their household spending, I think it only prudent Joe finish off all the wine in the wine cellar-especially the stuff he made. Teresa can work on th excess Fabellini. There is always time for rehab.
I agree!
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What about plain old AA? It doesn’t cost anything to go and if he really wants to quit and has to be completely responsible for the poor churren for 15 months, it should be mandatory. I just don’t think he should be able to get extra time shaved off his sentence for rehab that he could have taken care of before going to prison. If they had gone straight to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200.00 like most normal people then okay get the time shaved for rehab. Joe, IMO will not be a very good Mr. Mom and will use a lot of other people to watch his kids freeing him up to attend meetings. His drinking left unacknowledged while Tre is gone sounds like another beginning for a disaster especially for the kids. He is a lying liar who lies because he would rather climb a tree and tell a lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth.
He could go to plain old AA with out a rehab facility. They have AA in prison too. Look in the phone book call AA and find a meeting. Get sober before prison. See his doc,get some meds.12 step works and its free.
But then he would have to do his whole sentence! Why do that when he can drink another year? He’s going to be going cold turkey in prison for the next 3.5 years. That should dry him out.
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WordPress really? Can’t I get just one comment in today?
It sounds like she had a good chance for probation before lying on the pre-sentencing form. I just dont understand their thought process.
Even if she was claiming that she had no real jewelry, the costume jewelry would be worth something. How do you put down $0? The lies dont even make sense.
She should have at least put her wedding rings on there or the my husband fucked around on me and called me a cunt apology ring on there.
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Oh, you’re so nice to credit Teresa with having a thought process. That’s precious. 😉
Doesn’t Joe still have his state charges to deal with? Or did I miss/forget that court date/settlement.
He does but his attorney has already worked a plea deal that will run concurrently with his federal sentence. It’s just a formality at this point. http://s17948.p858.sites.pressdns.com/2014/09/22/joe-giudice-back-in-jersey-court-today/
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My question is what will Bravo do with Tre? Will they make some kind of show with Joe and the girls while Tre is away? Will they bring Tre back for a show after she’s done at “college”. Will they wash their hands of her completely? If they do, what the hell are those 2 going to do to pay back all the money they owe? So many questions… With no answers 🙁
Bravo will exploit and use Teresa (while paying her much more than she could ever have hoped) for as long as they can make money on her and then toss her in the trashcan like a cum-stained tissue when they are done with her. That is what Bravo will do.
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Do you think people will still watch her and Joe? I know I will, but I think I need a 12-step program to get away from these damn housewives. There just can’t be as many people in need of reality rehab. Whatever happens it should be interesting.
Thank You, Tamara, for the straight scoop. This is always the place to go when crazy stuff is happening 🙂 In my opinion, Teresa is a stone-cold, stainless steel monster who firmly believes she can get everything she wants by sheer force of will. She is consumed by hatred and she doesn’t have an ounce of remorse. There is not a soft spot anywhere in her body. She married a small-time punk and turned him into a bigger punk. She can put bows and tutus on her daughters all day long, but I don’t believe that she cares about them, or else she would never have caused them so much misery. When she played that awful scene with Gia, where she gave her that fake “family heirloom” ring, that was the lowest point I’ve seen. Gia knew it was all fake and I think it just stabbed her in the heart. She will hate Teresa for that one day. It is impossible for Teresa to produce a genuine smile. It always comes out as a painful grimace.
There is nothing I have ever found about Teresa to be sincere other than her love of material things. I agree with Caroline and Jacqueline she sucks as a friend.
I don’t know why I am defending Tre tonight, but her work with Nephcure seemed genuine to me. She kept it up after The Apprentice and really seemed to care about the cause. Also, that one time she donated some tutus and glittery shit to charity. Which was hysterical thinking about homeless people in Teresa and the girls clothes.
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One of the hospitals my husband worked for adopted migrant farm worker kids for Christmas. Corporate donated warm coats and shoes. Employees donated clothes and toys. Besides the “sensible” clothes, we always got the little girl a Chritmas dress or a little boy a nice pair of pants and shirt. I am sure homeless people need pretty clothes too.
You had to see the “clothes.” And while homeless people need decent clothes, I don’t think they need party dresses. There are more important things than parties, like where your kids are going to sleep.
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Shouldn’t it be clotheses like ingredientses?
Thanks for the compliment, Greenwood. I think you are being pretty hard on Teresa. I do believe she deserved prison time, but I don’t doubt she loves her kids and Joe with all her heart.
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Greenwood, I totally agree with you. Teresa loves her daughters as objects which she is grooming to eventually become moneymakers. Her love is not the fierce female protective, “take a bullet for” love. If it was a sheltering love she would never have exposed them to the sludge of her illegal actions.
My opinion is Teresa will do her time and the lesson she will learn is how not to get caught a second time, but Teresa won’t change. She has probably gotten away with a lot of fraud over the years using her aggressive, dominant behavior.
There was no way Teresa could threaten the all-powerful judge. That chapped her ass. Now that hatred will simmer.
Teresa’s future depends on her Monday night appearance and then the Reunion-if she doesn’t create something to talk about she will be looking for work in 2016, when she is released. I for one don’t want to hear about how her family (except her brother and sister in law) are everything, and she doesn’t know why this happened to her. I would like if she said-if only the feds knew how much we got away with, check out our Villa in Italy-next to Clooney’s. Now that would make her return post prison acceptable.
I wonder why Dina didn’t step up and take in the girls. If she did then both parents could serve at same time and get it over with. Isn’t she Audriana’s godmother? Isn’t looking after the child if something happens to the parent part of being a godparent? Plus, Lexi is off to college (real college) so she should have room in her empty house. She could always remodel her closet into a couple of bedrooms. MILANNIA COULD CHASE TOMMY OUT. I find everyone left on this show so ridiculous that I can’t help but make fun of them.
I think if those girls had zero family options Dina would take them in, but that’s not the case.
This is all so sad. When I first read about the indictments I was really hoping that they would get jail time. Now that it has happened I feel guilty for feeling that way. The reason I am saying this is because money is like a drug. When it starts coming in and you have more than you ever dreamed of it’s like a high. You spend and spend until it’s gone and get addicted to the pleasure that comes from buying new things. When it’s gone, people get desperate to get more and they get caught up in it. Just like any addiction to drugs. People forget what is really important because they are too busy chasing the high.
Joe and Teresa made a ton of bad decisions. But, I don’t think all of this jail time is going to help them. Think about what is going to happen to those 4 little girls. It will change their lives forever. I do believe that they need to be punished but I am not sure what the punishment should be. After all that has happened, I no longer feel that jail time is the correct punishment for those two. There will probably be a lot of people who disagree with this but I can’t help feeling this way. Hopefully someone can talk some sense into me.
Here’s one thing to think about, What would have happened to those 4 little girls if their parents hadn’t been caught in their lies and sent to prison? They were being raised thinking materialistic things are all that matters and that you don’t have to work to have them. They are all overly spoiled and I’m sure at some point would realized no one is working their ass off to provide these luxuries for them, nor do they have parents who went to college and now are white collar professionals. I think they were being raised to repeat the same mistake their parents made. JMO
Money is not like a drug that is insulting. Save your sympathy for the children of military families separated because mommy and daddy are overseas. In a shitty desert or looking forward to helping out in Western Africa. Kids in foster care because their parents are drug addicted and negligent. Now I am going to figure out what makes me so special, that I too,have to handle money and still refrain from theft and fraud and pay my fucking taxes. I am freaking begging my parents (and they have Money) to please spend it and enjoy it. Damn investments and savings somehow they didn’t spend money on shit like designer shoes and leopard bathing suits. I am just now realizing how very deprived I was as a child.
My sister has a 7yo and her husband who is in the Air Force just completed his 8th tour of duty and yes I feel bad for them too. But I think having your parents go to prison with the entire world to see is a little different. You don’t think these girls are going to hear about it at school from their friends? Their entire life is about to change. They are about to pay for their parents mistakes.
Yes, I do feel like people can get addicted to money. Just my opinion and not trying to insult anyone.
What I was trying to say was maybe the judge could have given them less jail time and like 10,000 community hours to try and pay back some of that money and time they have stolen. They could actually give back to the community and do something good with themselves.
lol. Every child that has criminal parents pays the cost. So you think criminals with kids should just get community service? That would solve the prison overcrowding situation.
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Joe and Tre did wrong and knew it. They did it anyway and thought they could get away with it. There are many other children that have or had parents in jail, it wasn’t easy for them but they made it. These 4 girls have been spoiled rotten from the time they were born, well now they will have to learn to live like other people and not have everything in the freeking world given to them. They, I hope will learn some manners too. I really don’t blame the girls for their poor behavior, they never learned from their parents how to act and speak like respectable children should. Milania has the worst mouth in the world, the way she speaks to people and to her parents and they laugh about it. So the kid thinks it’s OK. Gia wants to be a criminal layer, I think that’s great, but I think she wants to do that because of her dad and his problems. The girls probably think their parents are innocent of their wrong doings. That much I do feel very bad for the girls. They never asked to be in this mess. It’s going to be a hard road ahead for them. One day the girls will know exactly why their parents went to jail and Joe and Tre are going to have some explaining to do. I would love to be able hear what they will say.
You are missing the point that the shame is the CRIME. Punishment is a consequence. Hopefully the girls will learn the lesson. I would say that if they are addicted to money well then all future earnings should be held by a conservator. A decent house, a clothing budget, and per diem for food. They would be adult foster care. I mean drug addicts can’t be reasonable users, alcoholics do not become social drinkers.
Happily, you know nothing of drug addiction. Hopefully, you never will. Chew your cud and enjoy your contentment and bliss.
#CohuttaHW20
So true. If drug addiction was like “money addiction”? Well…
I love the pic and caption in the hot tub!
I don’t think its right if they put Joe in an AA program when he still has a year on the outside to deal with that. If they do plan on trying that, then I would at least hope that they would have to show that he tried by going to meetings and getting that sheet signed every week.
Which has me wondering… Is he on some sort of probation between now and going away? I don’t think he should be able to drink and carry on like a totally free man just because they were given the COURTESY of staggered sentences.
I would assume he would be free like anyone else until self-surrender. Apollo was on a no drinking policy because he was out only because he was working as a rat before sentencing. Or his probation kicked back in from the first charge. I dunno. I’m really not sure on this one.
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Lori,
I just asked about this at the top of the thread. I should have waited until I had finished all the comments.
I think he should have some type of supervision by the FederalProbation office. The year and a half he has before surrender should be used for AA and addiction therapy if he is an alcoholic. He should not be granted a reduction in his sentence because he will be entering a rehab program in,what, 18 months? I call bullshit on that.
I believe you have to register with Probation Office after sentencing. He should have an officer assigned to him and be under supervision pre surrender. He should have to report to them monthly. They can very well order him to attend AA and urine test him occasionally .
At least that’s how it worked for someone we knew that had to deal with a similar federal sentence. He was deported after serving his sentence.
I would certainly hope so.
By the way, Danbury was a men’s facility years ago. It’s nestled in a lovely little Connecticut town. It used to be a very nice Club. It shouldn’t be too bad for Teresa. Nowhere near as bad as a State prison. Lucky girl.
I. Cannot. Wait. For. Monday. Night.
Thanks Tamara for all the tea. I love how you break down all the fact. Joe G. will be living in his own petsonal hell, trying to take care of 4 little women. He also needs to get the financial mess in some sort of order and take care of his mother. The children will survive, but I don’t know if Joe is ready.
Hi Katrina,
Joe is not going to do it. His and Teresa’s mothers are going to be the caregivers.
Teresa may even enjoy her time in Club Fed. Those 4 girls look exhausting. This may be like a vacation for Tre.
Why didn’t Joe take some alcohol rehab program BEFORE being sentenced? I believe because completing it knocks 25 percent right off your sentence. It’s an easy way to get a quarter of your sentence dismissed. Teresa would have done the same thing, but you had to be sentenced to a minimum of 24 months to qualify.
What are people waiting for Andy’s interview with them on Monday for? Don’t you remember the last snorefest “interview” they gave with him? Where Teresa said they didn’t live beyond their means? When the court said there was almost never any equity in all the “stuff” they had? That they lied and lied and lied to the courts for years, up to the bitter end? What “truth” are they going to tell him? Especially, when they are trying to sell interviews for money?
Totally agree. They will be defensive, brittle and monosyllabic. Teresa has always had a problem being genuine with her feelings and is in such denial always that I think she really believes she is the victim of a bad edit, of an intrusive public, the list goes on.
I’m really surprised the lawyers for the Guiduces let them submit financial inventories that were so veriy false. Surely the lawyers review every document before submitting it to the court. I just don’t understand how the lawyers let their clients do that.
And where the hell did the Guiduces get the money for all those bodyguards? And a PR/ Crisis manager?
AND IT WAS TWO DIFFERENT LAWYER TEAMS FOR THE TWO BONEHEADS. That made the lawyers look bad.
Maybe they’ll chop off some of the fee for dropping the ball. 😉
All the lawyers know is what the Giudices tell them. I don’t believe they even listened to the lawyers. I believe they were listening to “friends” like Victoria Gotti. There’s no lawyer that would tell them to hide assets and lie to the end. There’s no lawyer that would want them to have anything to do with Gotti with these type of pending charges.
I am sure Ms. Gotti listens to her lawyers.
I wonder how long until their “team” of attorneys, agents, bodyguards, etc. run for the hills..? How are they going to pay them? How will they pay for anything?
Maybe the “team” will sell their stories to tabloids.
I could actually see joe and Apollo being friends.
My guess is, Joe will not remain faithful to Tre in this 15 months. When Tre is out and Joe’s locked up the girls will tell Mommy about Daddy’s lady friends. Although I’m sure Tre still wouldn’t leave him.
Joe has not been faithful to Teresa up to this point. If he is unfaithful during the 15 months Teresa goes away to college, she will probably deal with the infidelity much like she has done in the past. There are marriages where an unfaithful spouse is not a deal breaker. I suspect theirs is one.
Four questions and thank you in advance:
1.Once their home is gone and furniture and other assets sold, will Joe be able to qualify for welfare or any other benefits while Teresa is in prison?
2. Will they have to pay for their prison stay or is that something that is covered in the restitution?
3.Do you think Joe will try to convince his mom to use her monthly social security benefit to help pay the rent if they all live together?
4. Has any obsessed fan started a “go fund me” account to help put money into Teresa’s prison spending account or help with the new housing expense?
The “go fund me” idea is terrifying. There are millions of idiots, morons, and complete fools capable of giving to that sort of thing. Let’s hope that does not become a a reality.
I think they can just go directly to the prison website and put money in her account.
I know. I was trying to ignore that whole possibility. Although, the Feds would probably take that money and give it to creditors.
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I bet it will happen, and they could put it in the kid’s name so the feds can’t touch it.
So on the Goodwife, when Alicia needed Mr Bigs info on a case, she arranged a conjugal visit. Are they going to have this opportunity? I’m a sick puppy to wonder these things.
I don’t think Piper got conjugal visits or event talked about anyone getting any. I do remember them leaving the compound “for work” and being able to accidently run into people in town.
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She didn’t even get a furlough to go see her dying grandmother or go to her funeral. Piper had it easier than many convicts, but it is still prison. I think she said the worst thing was the boredom.
I’ll say it-I’ve been to prison. Not federal, which from what I understand is far more comfortable than state prison-boredom, however, is the least of your worries and problems in there. I’ll answer any questions about prison anyone may have it you want.
Thanks for your honesty Allison. I’m glad you are out.
Thank you-so am I 🙂 It was years ago, it doesnt define me, but it sure reminds me to not forget where I came from. The worst part for Teresa will be being away from her children. Being told when you can eat, sleep, crap, and speak sucks-the sound of the doors automatically locking sucks, but all of that pales in comparison to being away from your children.
I imagine being away from your children is the worst thing that could ever happen.
Fed prisons at least are not run by for profit prison corporations. I think those people are evil.
Teresa will be able to get phone calls, visits, mail. It is going to be terrible, but she should be sble to see her kids once a week.
I may be in the minority, just because of my personal experience, but I do have empathy for her. Yes, she broke the law. Yes, she was arrogant, and yes she should have to be held accountable. If that means prison, so be it. It still is not something I would wish on most people. The utter pain, despair, helplessness, hopelessness and plain agony that you endure is indescribable. Should she have thought of that? Sure. I still have empathy.
Her prison will be nothing like yours. You should read Orange is the New Black. Piper’s time was pretty easy. Then she had to take ConAir to go testify against a bigger fish. It took forever and she was in State Prison for a few weeks. The way she described the differences was night and day.
I actually read Piper’s book while I was incarcerated and yes, there were VAST differences in the privileges fed vs state inmates get-but the strip searching and other basic standards of incarceration are pretty much the same. I would have given my left arm to to Fed time (at the time) but I’m also pretty content doing NO time 😉 that is far in my rearview-but I still do have empathy. Its a very frightening shock to the system.
the for profit prison people are animals. Period.
So true. It is very hard to be away from the kids like that. And I still jump and freak out when I hear the that door slamming sound. You simply never get used to it.
People don’t realize that those doors are very loud and they lock and unlock them several times a day.
You’d be surprised what ICE will pursue-they are way into deporting any non citizen for felonies, especially aggravated ones.
While deportations have gone up under Obama, I just don’t think they will go after Joe.
you’re probably right, being so high profile-but that could also go against him. But I would be surprised to see him go.
Yes, punkinseed-those locking doors. I still jump at loud noises and its been years. Slamming doors? Forget it.
I should have also said how very brave you are.
Thank you. It happened, it’s over, lesson learned, you know? That said, I try to be an open book. 🙂
The very best place I ever worked, an it’s so hard to find a decent job, was in an office where 95% of my coworkers were felons like me who were compassionate, supportive, humble, honest. We learned from our mistakes.
In the season of the Joe on Joe rage, one thing I always remembered was how Joe Guidice was bitter about having taught Joe Gorga how he made money. I always thought that meant he shared the secret sauce of the fraud that enabled the Guidice’s to purchase of all of those apartment buildings, build the ‘mansion’ that looks like a cartoon drawing of a troll’s castle, etc. I would not be surprised if Joe Gorga has done some of the same lying and scheming to fraudulently obtain loans and mortgages.
I’ve replayed that in my mind as well Wallace.
Allison, you are so right. It feels like it takes about ten hours for five minutes to go by. The boredom is the hardest part, even if you have something to do like read or be a trustee.
punkinseed: YES. Literally, the seconds feel like hours and the minutes like days. It’s a dark place, a lot of hopelessness and despair.
Great coverage. The whole thing is just sad. Unfortunately, while they were lying like crazy on financial documents, our economy was booming and our whole economic system just let everything roll. Then came the downturn and standards went as far to the opposite side as they could go. They are definitely opportunistic, and had the economy remained hot might have moved into entrepreneurial range. I hate feeling sorry for them, but I do. And I think its completely because I don’t think they ever thought it through–ever considered that if the tide turns, what that might entail. I would even throw out there that they aren’t capable of thinking that far down the line. Obviously people were taking advantage of the lack of oversight at that time, so why wouldn’t they join in. Now kids have to deal with such major big stuff. And we as taxpayers still foot the bill–as far as I’m aware of, and I’m pretty sure I’m right–restitution has no connection with incarceration. While sad about the overall situation, you still have to do the time if you do the crime.
The rules for oversight did not change, the institutions were not adhering to them. The Federal Government bailed most of them out.
Funny I thought that bailout was courtesy of us taxpayers.
On the issue of Joe’s alcohol abuse/addiction, I had a female friend who went to Federal Prison for fraud, aka “white collar crime”- the same thing these two did, albeit, as “blue collars”! After getting 4 years, and while in the clink, she pled to the BOP (bureau of prisons) that she had a drinking problem. She was able to cut her 4 years to TWO, and has been out for years, and drinking as the day is long. Also, she was able to request up to 3 venues to be placed, and they take “closeness to home” into consideration. “Paper crimes” as they are called, and the people who commit them, often get privileges others do not. It’s also minimum security. Yet scary and gross for anyone with any decorum or appreciation for freedom.
Tre and Joe, to me, represent the worst of the worst “everyman” of modern times. The unbridled avarice and the sense of entitlement. Embracing the idea that trickery and manipulation are the keys to the kingdom instead of education, commitment and work. They are, sadly, the poorly wrought imitation of their heroes: the Wall Street criminals who make corruption look easy and admirable. As the gap between wealthy and poor grows, more dumb mules like the Guidices will be looking for the same desperate shortcuts to a fictitious lifestyle they see on TV and in magazines. In the end, both parents going to jail is a better life lesson for their kids than their continued consumption and pretensions.
Perfect
That’s what I was trying to say in an earlier post. I will say you articulated it much better though.
What was that crap that no one can take all 4 girls if they both went to prison at the same time and they would be separated? Joe and Melissa wouldnt take all 4? I find that hard to believe, that NO ONE could take all 4.
I’ve served a bit of time too, but jail, not prison.
And, I thought that too, about the care of all 4 girls. That sounded really bogus to me, as well. It was like their lawyers were going too far to persuade the judge on that segment.
Definitely an ploy for sympathy. An unbelievable one at that.
Who knows they may surprise us all and just fade away, I imagine in their mind the show was their demise (not their own actions), it’s possible with so many family members they will take help from them and walk away from reality TV and the spotlight. Idk just a thought.
Bravo will make a show ” Teresa: Loves Loves Loves Rebuilding her Life.” Tre is smart enough to appear humble and grateful for the 2nd chance. Joe will have to report for drug testing and talk to a fed once in a while. I’m sure he had to surrender his passport. Joe should go to AA. AA is very active in prisons. He might have to be hospitalized for detox because of DTs, but then maybe not. Joe and Tre would be wise to join support groups for family members in prison. I hope Joe moves his mama in with the family. She will provide some extra stability for the girls.
I think the Guidices (Joodices) deserve to go to prison, but I do think the family unit needs to stay intact for those little girls.
I wonder what will happen to the chickens. Can Joe start a produce stand and chicken farm? Home grown veggies and fresh eggs.
TT why did you have to show that bathtub pic? Yes, the caption was funny, but that photo put me off my breakfast.
I’ll eat it! I’m starving!
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I made Irish oatmeal with blueberries and honey.
My gut feeling is that Joe is gonna get in trouble with the law way before Teresa even reports for her term so someone better be making a “plan B” for watching over the girls.
Well, I’ll assume that the senior Gorga’s don’t love Joe Guidice as much as they supposedly used to.
Tamara – you have boiled down all the facts and details of this case, to a roux which is a gastronomic masterpiece of which I’ll be feeding all afternoon! Thank you very much!
OMG this is my first successful roux ever! Thanks!
(I really am roux challenged in the kitchen).
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Medium low heat and constant stirring….
With no driver’s license, Joe is going to have to depend on others to cart around his sorry ass and the children. What a mess he and Tre created. Gia said that she wants to become a criminal defense lawyer, which sounds as if she can’t believe her parents are as felonius as they are. Poor kid.
I think he may actually have a drivers license now. I believe the suspension ended during the long drawn out over the years waste of the NJ taxpayers money. I could be wrong on this one.
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Wait a minute… Didn’t he recently go into a dmv trying to get a license or something?
Looks like you missed some posts. http://s17948.p858.sites.pressdns.com/2014/09/22/joe-giudice-back-in-jersey-court-today/
See all posts about GIUDICE here
http://s17948.p858.sites.pressdns.com/?s=Giudice
I think I very may well have missed that post. Then again, my brain is fried and these two have given us a lot of stuff over a pretty long period of time. I swear I really am starting to believe that I must have had a dream with him in it recently. Crazy. Sadly it wouldn’t be the first time a bravolebity was in my dreams.
I don’t know why I think that? Maybe it was just a dream, which is terrifying. Lol
1.) I’m surprised her lawyer didn’t have her go to at least weekly debtors anonymous meetings and use the angle of she has shopping addiction (which duh she most definitely does) but we are taking the steps to try and rehabilitate her.
2.) I can’t believe Teresa and Joe found each other. I mean they are clearly very similar people.
How could the lawyer or paralegal or whatever not match the pre-sentencing documents to what the feds had as assets?? I STILL cant believe that the lawyers let them submit those forms. How do you put zero under jewelry? Shouldnt the lawyers have done their own research if they said they kept poor financial records?? I am still SMH….
I’m SMH too. Teresa and Joe failed miserably to truly feel the gravity of their situation and my guess is they simply shut out anyone trying to help them with their disclosure forms. Imagine being the paralegal trying like hell to get those two to cooperate. I can see Teresa ignoring messages and in person looking for the exits. When confronted about the gravity of all of this she’d have none of it and hide behind not understanding it; rationalizing it to where she’s convinced herself that the judge is only giving her probation and house arrest. With that in her made up mind, she didn’t want to cooperate further and holds the court, the system, everything in contempt. That’s why you see a ZERO for jewelry. She has this false pride immaturity going on in her mind and felt something like, “enough already” and that she’d cooperated enough.
Her cycle of denial and false humility is not the attitude to have and survive this. She will not do well in prison if she continues to BS herself.
It’s hard enough to rebuild one’s life post prison, since there really is no redemption in our criminal justice system. A felony is a life sentence, LIFE, even after one is free from incarceration, probation and all of the fines.
I know this well because I live it and have for over 30 years.
Unlike Teresa and Joe, I did comply with and cooperated with every single request the courts asked of me, even when their requests made absolutely no sense.
Feel free to ask me any questions.
Since the papers were several months late maybe they didn’t have time to review them? Just my guess.
LOL. Good one! I’ve been a legal assistant, so I know how folks like them can roll. And, having been incarcerated myself, I know it from experience to never monkey with the court orders. It can be very difficult to convince hard headed people who are in major denial that they are playing with fire and that the Sword of Damocles is hanging over their heads if they don’t properly file on time or omit anything on their paperwork.
First, TT, let me say this. I appreciate how you deliver info with the right mix of snarkiness, humor and explanations that my Sangria soaked mind can comprehend. Blew me away with your coverage of Jodi Arias, and you haven’t disappointed me since.
My puzzlement lies with the potential deportation of Joe. If that happens, how is he expected to pay restitution? If he owed me $, I’d be pretty p.o.ed if that happened. I don’t think he’ll be doing anything remotely responsible when Teresa’s away.
I really don’t see immigration bothering with the expensive of deporting someone who was smuggled in as a baby 50 years ago. He had no conscious intent on entering the country illegally. They have no case. In my official opinion as pretend Internet lawyer and knower of all things, anyway. 🙂
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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And he has 4 children born here and is married to a U.S. citizen. I would be SHOCKED!
Wow TT! I’ve been slammed with work and travel for 10 days and have clearly missed a lot. I am starting to catch up with this post first and will be reading all night. You are a fantastic writer and my go to blog!!! I figured they would both get time, as they are both deserving of it too. P.S. I see we have another “Katherine” commenter so I will tack Nola onto my Katherine to differentiate us. Hope you are doing well! Will put some $ in your happy pill fund tmw. Great scoop! Can’t wait to read all the others. Great comments too.
So sorry! I changed it to distinguish between all the variations of Kate here. 🙂 Thanks for being so gracious and changing your name. I didnt recall seeing you here, before, but you have a lovely name!
Just want you to know Tamara, how much I appreciate your site and all the work you do to make it happen. I appreciate your honesty and humor, too. Thank you!
And thank you very much for not allowing nicknames.
Thanks punkinseed. Everyone is being very nice to me today. That always makes me nervous. 🙂 Am I dying?
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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LOL. I wonder why it is that it’s so hard for some of us to take a compliment. Makes me paranoid, too.
I wonder if restitution is the amount of the most latest assets they lied about
Caroline Manzo did call it. She said Joe would go to “college”, Teresa would divorce him. She almost called it I should say.
The giudices are criminals who got caught. They were tried and sentenced. They will learn nothing from this except more devious ways around our laws next time. I cannot understand why they are still appearing on Bravo and one would hope their children will be placed in foster care so they might have a chance at learning about living a moral life.