So last night when I was pretending I didn’t have to actually blog and I could just be a commenter for the evening Below Deck was playing I the background. I wasn’t paying it that much attention, but every so often I’d watch a few minutes and my mind was blown. It seemed like opposite day on the Charter. I’m going to actually pay attention to the show now, and I have a feeling I am going to be enraged for most of this post.
First of all why is Kat telling the primary charter who she can and cannot invite on the boat. She is the client. Adrienne is not a guest on the boat like any other. Suck it up and deal with it. Adrienne is drinking with the charter guests and tells them that the reason Kat and Amy do not get along is they worked together previously. During that time, Amy had her wisdom teeth taken out and a guy she was interested in came to visit her to see how she was doing. Somehow this ended with Kat giving the guy a blow job in the cabin next to her. So that is the source of the tension between Amy and Kat. That said, they have been working together fine so far this season. Now Adrienne could have gone all day without sharing that little bit of gossip but Kat was a total bitch to Adrienne on the last season and she really did sort of have it coming.
Next Amy has a very weird conversation with Jennice about Kelly. Amy gives Jennice the hard sell on Kelly and basically says that Jennice will regret not getting with her brother. It’s awkward and weird. Who does that?
Kat wastes no time about confronting Adrienne about spreading the rumor, right there in front of the guests. Again, inappropriate. Kat claims that she was drunk and doesn’t remember much about the incident. Adrienne apologizes a few times. Kat says Adrienne is classless. Now the primary charter is comforting Kat in the bathroom. The guest is dealing with a crew person having a meltdown. Again, inappropriate.
Why is Eddie so down on Adrienne? What is wrong with these people? Ben is bitching about Adrienne as well. Amy, who doesn’t even know Adrienne has crap to say as well.
Next Kat and Katie gossip about Amy. Kat blames Amy for telling people about her blowup incident from four years ago. Um, I think this would probably come up in conversations to my friends if I were Amy. I mean surely people would ask what happened with that guy she was interested in. Kat sure does like to blame everyone else for her behavior. Kat is now telling Kate she doesn’t want anything to do with Amy. Amy overhears them and asks that they talk things out and clear the air but Kat shuts the door in her face. Bear in mind Amy has been nothing but professional with Kat despite apparently having these feeling toward her. She did not tell the crew, she did her job with a smile on her face which is more than I can say for the other stews.
Ben is nice to Adrienne to her face. Amy tries to pull it together and make the guests happy.
Captain Lee says he would rather drag his dick through ten miles of broken whiskey bottles than have these asshole on his boat again. WTF? Why are these guests consider to be such horrible creatures. They are drinking and laughing and trying to enjoy their charter while the crew appears to be completely imploding. Okay they are getting drunker and more outrageous as the night goes on. Again, what they needed to so was have lots of enticing appetizers around to soak up the alcohol. But Ben is still fucking around with dinner.
Dinner eventually happens and a spider gets on someone a freaks everyone out. Captain Lee looks miserable. He really dislikes this crowd. Adrienne is very polite at dinner and thanks her server for each thing she does. Kat doesn’t know how to pronounce turmeric.
Amy is doing turndowns and tells Kelly that Kat and Kate are being mean to her. Amy says she tried to talk to them like adults. Amy is really hurt. Later she talks to Eddie about Kat bad mouthing her and Kat walks in and acts like she is personally affronted. Why? Amy is just talking to Eddie about Kat and Kate badmouthing her. What the hell did Amy do wrong? Nothing. Adrienne leaves during dinner.
The next day the crew is basically tossing the guests out. I still didn’t see anything that warrants the crew’s attitude. Sure there was some drunken debauchery, sexual innuendo at the dinner table, and some coarse language. It was all in good fun.
Amy tries to explain that Kat and Kate talking shit about her is unacceptable. Katie is rude to Amy again. Kat decides she is taking Jennice’s bunk and Jennice is going to be moving in with Amy.
The crew each gets a thousand dollars in tips. And of course they bitch about it.
Next week: We get a new deckhand. Amy is interested and Kat interferes. It looks like Jennice’s boyfriend wants to break up so things could move forward with Kelly and there is some sort of rough landing with the boat.
Check out Captain Lee’s blog on Bravo this week. He has a very different point of view that I do on this weeks episode and actually thinks Kate did a great job. It’s pretty perplexing.
Thanks T for the recap. I love Adrienne. I dislike Kat and her drunk antics. Her slurring words and stupid facial expressions. Kat said that she did NOT remember the incident with Amy’s male friend, but admits she probably did do it while being drunk. Kat is a total fuck up and I hate watching her on this show. I thought Amy was very nice to keep that info to herself, not sure I would have been that polite. I am so confused why the crew was so nasty about Adrienne. I still wish Adrienne would return to the show full time. In regard to Kate, girl bye. She is so full of herself and I am killing my eyes by rolling them through her stupid monologues.
Agree with everything you wrote. Especially the part about Adrienne being back. I think Amy and Adrienne would have made a great team. Perhaps Kate as entertainment director. And back up the other stews during meals.
Forgot to thank TT for this blog.
i decided not to watch below deck this season, partly because they did not bring back adrienne after all the crap she had to deal with and partly because they emphasized the petty stuff instead of the fun times you can have working charters. thought about watching this episode because i knew adrienne would be back but i’m glad i did not. i dont get the capt’s liking the new chief stew. from what he’s said it seems to be more about the way she looks than how she does the job. he sure didnt seem to give adrienne a chance, considering how he blasted her last week based on preview scenes. that really wasnt fair.
have you enjoyed this season? i’m glad i stopped watching. this should have been a fun show but i think they blew it. it’s a shame. such a great concept, but the wrong people seem to be running the show.
I think Ben saw Adrienne and Kat together and knew it could not be a good situation. Was he nasty to her because she told the guests about the bj rumor and created the shit storm?
Look Kat is the head doctor. That is Kat’s fault. Not Adrienne’s and certainly not Amy whose only role was having wisdom tooth surgery. She never breathed a word despite Kate repeatedly trying to get it out of her.
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 2:13 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Thank you! I thought I was the only one who felt like I had just seen a Twilight Zone episode. I liked Adrienne. I felt that she was a little inexperienced, but Kat and that obnoxious man-looking stew were horrible employees. And since when did Eddie have a problem with Adrienne. Especially after he had her back at the reunion show. Ugh!
Adrienne was a very polite guest on the boat even when her main guests got a tad raunchy. I thought this group was one of the better groups. Yes, they did complain but the service, because of Ben, was horrible. No one wants to wait hours for dinner. I really loved the first season even though I couldn’t stand CJ, the ugly dork who thought he was God’s gift, and the man-stew with the engineering degree. This group kind of makes me want to see Andrew come back. He was incompetent but at least he was nice.
I sorta agree that it’s a great concept and is only interesting the first year, usually…
It was the last show I watched last night before falling asleep and woke up feeling weirdly stressed out!
What would the ratings be like if they ever did a Sober Cruise…
PS ~ when Kat snarled at Adrienne it reminded me of Popeye the Sailor Man…and not in a good way.
Yeah that was weird–even for Kat and her ever-changing voice.
I think she may be possessed by demons.
Something must have happened off camera for Cpt Lee to express dislike of guests. When he was talking about them to Ben and Kate, he seemed glad they were returning. Kat should have treated Adrienne with impersonal courtesy and not dragged the client into the mess.
Kat is a despicable person to mess with a friend’s boy friend, especially when the friend has had dental surgery. Being drunk is no excuse. Guys come and go, girlfriends are gold.
Kate should have been kinder to Amy.
The little dog was cute.
Agree with everything you wrote. Especially the part about Adrienne being back. I think Amy and Adrienne would have made a great team. Perhaps Kate as entertainment director. And back up the other stews during meals.
Forgot to thank TT for this blog.
I always thought captain was a fair man. Not this time. He should of told kat & Kate no more talk of the subject. And to start treating all coworkers with respect or one complaint and they are gone.
But for the guests, yes I agree something happened we didn’t see.
I’ve confirmed that this was Bev’s second charter because she wanted to take her sister the first time and she had a relapse with cancer, or some complication and could not come. She came back with her this season.
The charter went well and was fun and all of this negative editing and negative comments about Bev and the guests is outrageously cruel and uncalled for behavior by Bravo.
I don’t understand why Bravo thinks we all want to watch people bickering and arguing and lying about each other.
THE WHOLE REASON WE TUNED IN TO BELOW DECK IN THE FIRST PLACE was because it was supposed to be a fun show about sailing around the Caribbean, and getting a peek at yachting life.
Penis towels and Blowjob stories and Dragging dicks through whiskey bottles and splooging on the guestroom pillows? No thanks.
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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tamara if the crew knew about bev’s sister’s cancer survival (multiple times) i think it’s criminal they didnt show these guests the cruise of a lifetime. i’ve never known a cancer survivor not to tell others that so i doubt the crew didnt find out. shame on them and their petty bullshit. so the guests gossiped — big freaking deal. the original charter tipped generously even tho they were subjected to sam’s sneeringly crude comments. and they came back a second time, to boot. disgusted w the below deck crew & their capt. i think theyre just jealous that a former crew member got to be a guest this time and has a solid fan base. the crew are paid to be professionals and provide first class service, not ratchet service. it’s not hard to suck it up and do the job correctly.
I don’t think the blame lies with the cast. Clearly production knew when hiring Amy that she and Kat knew each other. You can be sure one or both of them told production of the real issue between them. If you recall Kate was the first one tasked with getting the plot line out at a crew dinner on the beach. Neither Amy nor Kat bit and put the information on camera. Someone had to do it….. so Adrienne became the carrier pigeon. The production company is the culprit here.
The crew actually did do their job with the passengers and the passengers enjoyed their cruise. Unfortunately PRODUCTION has edited together an entirely different cruise and focused on surely crew and petty gossip rather than the over all positive experience by the guests.
And it is PRODUCTION who edited the guests badly.
The issue is that all the crew looks bad too and most of them actually do work in the cruise industry and this will be damaging to them in their future careers because “perception is reality” or more accurately here “production is reality.” When actually, non of this stuff is an accurate portrayal of what happened on the ship.
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Appreciate your recap. I have to admit I got hooked on this show. I think first season Bravo did not know how to manipulate the show but now they have figured it out. I liked Adrienne, even felt sorry for her but she was wrong to pass on the rumor about Kat. Kat did have it coming but still classless on Adrienne’s part. Seems the entire crew was instructed to dislike Adrienne. She and Ben never really had any issue and not sure why Eddie was so repelled by her. Amy was a better person to not bring up the incident. Seems odd they kept saying 4 years ago when they had earlier said they worked together 2 years ago? I am sure the rumor spread through the yachtie world and surely Kat new about it so why act all confused on why Amy was cold to her?
I don’ t think Amy was upset about the rumor or what happened long ago but rather why Kat and Kate refused to talk to her and were so rude to her. She had no idea what Adrienne did and clearly she had never met Adrienne. I do think the guests were over the top raunchy and obnoxious. I would hope to never act like that on camera or make other people deal with watching that, cleaning up spilled drinks etc. I agree Capt Lee is awfully easy on Kate. She should have handled Kat/Amy better. Kat never ever accepts responsibility for anything and is a hypocrite. Lie and deny both her and Kate’s MO.
I agree, Captain Lee has been very easy on Kate. I thought I was going to like her, but I have found her to be completely full of herself. She acts as though she belongs on the charter as a guest and is above everyone. I would hate to have her for any type of service- would it kill her to smile?? I thought Amy was the only one who acted like an adult in that situation. Kat was gossiping to Kate and Kate did nothing to shut it down. She also should have done something when Amy simply wanted to talk about what happened and Kat slammed the door in her face. I think Kat is repulsive and she never takes ownership of her actions. I liked Andrew, he obviously didn’t have much experience but at least he was friendly, entertaining, and NICE. I wish they would put more people like him on these shows, rather than ratchet hoes like Kat.
I see it pretty much how Captain Lee saw it. I think part of the problem is the primary kept in touch and became friends with not just Adrienne but Kat, so now you have this weird dynamic in play. I am also thinking they were remembering last year were year it was a little crazy but this was just insane and everyone is already wound up and now you add in the charter guests who complained (rightfully) the first night and the second night they just were so drunk, everyone hates being the sober person dealing with the drunks.
Kate to me was better this episode, and had my favorite line of the night, why are these 2 even talking about this 4 years later, where is the guy not with either of them, let it go.
That Amy talk with Jennice was so uncomfortable and so not her place to be having it.
I do think Jennice/Amy conversation was awkward. My take on this episode and the whole season is so much producer driven drama. Obviously Beverly, primary guest was set up to bring the drama between Kat/Adrienne/Amy. Kat certainly played her role and got nasty with Adrienne and tried to turn everyone against Amy. For what really? Kat didn’t really seem all that embarrassed by the fact she did something with the guy 4 years ago, but instead rags on Amy. Amy really did nothing at all.
Kate was better this episode but I do think she should not have let Kat slam the door in Amy’s face, she could have squashed the whole drama right then and there. I am sure the producers did not want that and I bet they encouraged the awkward conversation with Jennice and Amy as well.
I think this crew needs to sit down and watch The Remains of the Day.
Tooo Good!!! LOL
I found Kat to be the one spreading the rumor about herself-both Eddie and Ben seemed a little turned off by her account of her past drunken antics.
I think Captain was totally wrong praising Kate for how she handled the situation. Kate was never nice to Amy. No one stopped to think that maybe Amy was a little humiliated by Kat latching on to her guy interest and then proclaiming how fantastic she was in the BJ department that people (namely her) were talking about it 4 years later.
I think these charter guests over a week’s time probably wore a little thin. I for one am tired of the crew bitching about the guests.
Captain Lee needs to get a clue-airline employees and their families fly first class all the time and the flight attendants are expected to wait on them just like paying guests. I didn’t think Adrienne’s behavior was that out of line.
Valley View I think your comments are spot on and honestly other than thing with Kat for the most part Adrienne behaved pretty well (what was done in bedroom was not really anyone’s business except it was on camera, so I agree kinda yuck) However as an airline employee when I am in first class I sure as heck better not act drunk/demanding or rude but you are correct I am waited on the same as everyone else. But you are held to higher standard if I am flying as an airline employee from everything to dress to behavior.
Ditto, biz: my airline employee family member always goes over the code of conduct when flying first class. But wait, what are we talking about? Adrienne?
Yes because Capt Lee said she was in the industry she should have behaved better.
Kate and Kat acted in an inappropriate manner. As her boss Kate owed Amy a lot more professional behavior. Instead Kate acted like a biatch and used her position of authority to get away with it. Amy didn’t do anything wrong and did a great job with the guests.
The guests’ raucous behavior and disrespect towards the boat itself would piss off any Capt. They were spilling alcohol on carpets, breaking glass (prob. a post-sync sound effect), grabbing food from pans as Ben removed it from the oven, they drank until 8:30 am, so that means they had to be babysat all nite incase one fell into the big drink.
Kat’s anger towards Adri & Bev is that she stayed in contact with her by email. Bev never said anything about Adri coming, and just sprang it on Kat. She felt duped.
I do have a burning question though. Has anyone ever heard any feedback from guests who were negatively portrayed on show? I would be truly pissed after hearing some of the crew’s talking head interviews.
Kat was such a cuntsicle this episode. Have never been a fan of hers, but this episode and the last shows she is still the delusional, drunken bitch she always was. She seems to get along with Kate, but watch out Kate. The only one continually talking about your drunken bj was you, Kat. You brought it up in front of guests, and then to everyone else on the boat. Why is everyone else talking about my indiscretions blah de blah de blah.
Am wondering whose puppy Adrienne killed. Did we miss something last season, or is everyone sore because we didn’t hate on Adrienne enough?
The Jennice/Amy scene was sooo awkward.
I agree with what most of you have said. I was very disappointed in how the crew reacted to Adrienne. I thought she got a raw deal last year and now again. In my view, the reason they only got $1,000 each in tips is because of poor service and nothing to do with Adrienne. In fact, it may have come down to Ben’s late and long dinner services.
I felt this episode showed how two faced Ben is. I got whiplash when he flipped his pancakes (figuratively speaking) as he expressed his opinion about Adrienne. One moment his was pissed off moaning about her coming on board and then, in the blink of an eye, he was hugging her like a long lost dear friend. What??!! I also felt the incident with Kat on the beach should have been a cautionary warning and lesson learned because Adrienne prefaced shining the light on the Kat/Amy situation by saying, “We work in a small industry and people talk”. With that said, I definitely believe other workers in the yachting industry contacted Adrienne, and gave her the 911 on all things Kat after the first season. After the “milky white stain” incident on the last episode, I feel Kat should have been more professional in this situation because she has put herself out there as a head doctor, and that is not the look guest want in their crew. She should have shut her mouth like Ben did after their dalliance, but instead she is stunned by rumors circulating about her which she repeats to anyone she can. (Incredulous!!)Amy did not instigate this situation, but as she said in her blog, she acted on emotion, and this led to her unraveling. I agree with her about Kate gossiping about her because Kate is Kat’s and Amy’s boss, and Kate was more willing to indulge Kat as she complained about Amy when Kate really did not know the entire facts of what happened on the beach, what happened four years ago, and the friendships among Kat, Adrienne, and Beverly. Amy should not have addressed Jennice about Kelley, their adults and can work it out without her involvement. I feel Amy and Jennice have both been “good girls” their entire lives, and it is difficult for each of them to develop mature adult romantic relationships. Kat on the other end of the spectrum has no qualms being romantically involved with men, but I doubt she has many quality long lasting mature relationships. I do not understand Captain Lee’s sympathetic attitude towards Kat, but I guess he figures there are bigger fish to fry besides her wild escapades.
Hmmm, Captain Lee being sympathetic towards Kat. That is a conundrum.
From the last season and this one, we know she spends most of her time getting guys on her side by favors. We know she and Ben are doing the nasty in State rooms, and now Ben is getting surly and unlikable too.
My sense about the dynamic between Capt. Lee and Kat is the Capt. considers Kat as his personal project to rehabilitate and reform her from being a drunken, disrespectful, obnoxious, divisive slacker. Kat is his nautical Eliza Dolittle, his rough-hewn version of a fictional character in the play
“Pygmalion” (George Bernard Shaw, ca 1912) and the in the more recent musical “My Fair Lady”. So, when Kat screws the pooch, ol’ Capt. Lee may view her offense through a filter called “consider her history and effort to reform.” I sense the Capt. may have aso had a past love affair with the bottle, likely in his youth as a playboy ‘partier’. So, in one sense Capt. could be critical of Beverly’s entitled group (which seemed to be the drunkest, gayest and most uninhibited group we’ve seen), but in another sense, he also is more understanding, kinder, more fatherly and lenient to/about Kat, who may have convincingly admitted to him that she has a problem with drink, and she is trying to curtail her addiction to drink. Though Capt. Lee is tough but fair, it is possible that he may unconsciously have lowered his expectations of Kat, her effort related to control her intake of drink considered. He may even give Kate some slack for appearing to favor and mentor Kat.
First of all, let me say how much I enjoyed reading your post. Kat as a nautical Eliza Dolittle. Love it. Am happily surprised sometimes at the people who read your blog, Tamara.
oh, come on, how did we end up with armchair psychologists here? he saw how hard she worked last season and could be cleaned up, & he gave her a second chance. the rest of that comes across as hooey. we’ll see whether she or the show gets another season.
Why would anyone shell out $100K….plus a $15-20K tip to be treated like shit by Oscar the grouchy Captain, his Bitchy Resting Face head stew, the I’ll tell you when you need to eat, Chef and the I’ll blow anything that moves maid. This is the worst example of high class hospitality I have ever seen,
jana, you summed up Below Deck so well.
Agree with you 1000%, Jana! They’re lucky they got $1k a piece. It was most likely due to Amy’s excellent service. I have not seen her once piss off a guest and always has a smile on her face.
After paying $100k for a cruise, I would expect top notch food but served when I want to eat it. I don’t remember Ben taking hours to get a meal out last season. After getting chewed out from the 46 yr old guy with all the 22 year old porn stars, Ben got up at 5am to have breakfast ready at 9:30? And he made eggs? Now I might not be a classically trained chef, but I’m a damn good cook and it doesn’t take me 4.5 hours to make breakfast.
jana, I agree about Kat.
This show should be renamed ‘Blow Deck.’
That dragging his dick through broken whiskey bottles comment can never be put back in the bottle. I’m still cringing over that one.
Yep, that was a Fonzie on waterskis moment for me too…
“It seemed like opposite day on the Charter.”
You took the words right out of my mouth
I’ve never understood the Adrienne hate and was disappointed by Eddie, Ben and especially Captain Lee joining the pile on. Yes she should not have shared the story about Kat’s blow job but it was actually KAT that spread the story all over the ship. Not Adrienne.
I also didn’t see how the guests were worse than usual. Did the producers leave out particularly damaging footage? I don’t see why they would do that. Is it possible some of the crew reactions were filmed after they got their relatively low tip? That wouldn’t explain Captain Lee’s attitude.
Speaking of, Captain Lee sure has a soft spot for Kat. I think she is very good at manipulating men and uses her fake vulnerability and/or sexual favors to do it.. I wish they’d never asked her back. Bleh.
me too. I was going to comment to Tamra Tattle’s comment above…this season is totally different than last, the nasty bitter queens at 51 Minds have ‘housewived’ it up or whatever…I didn’t even feel moved to watch last week but I am watching the replay now. I was right in not watching because I didn’t want to see Adrienne trashed but this is even worse than I thought it would be. Capt’ Lee’s blog that Tamra linked to was beyond bizarre…”don’t embarass the boat” but Kate acts like a bitch and puts penis blankets on bed and cum stains on camera. So gross. I think the crew is pretty much being told who to support and who not to, one of the editors at 51 Minds has been harassing bloggers to ‘be more positive’ about Kate so I’m sure they have dictated to the crew that Adrienne: bad/Kate: good. Whatever. These producers are such losers. We don’t need any of them to think for us.
I agreed with everything the captain said on his blog. I’m starting to like Kate, hated her before, and I think she handled things well this episode, her line summed it up, they’re working and this is not a soap opera. the only thing I would’ve had her do differently is try harder to squash the beef between Amy and kat at some point after handling the charter. I like Amy too but she should have just forgiven kat for the sake of having to live with her, I do think she was being over emotional. I don’t understand why ben hates adrienne and why he was acting fake. It is puzzling what the captains deals was with these charter guests, sure they were obnoxious, but they were good spirited and in no way disrespectful. I also don’t understand his need to remind Adrienne that she could never be a guest on his yacht and she will always be a worker lol. I never liked adrienne because she’s the power tripping police type, especially compared to the laid back and relatable Kate, but she certainly didn’t deserve the way she was being treated.
I agreed with Captain Lee’s blog, too.
I’m gobsmacked that anyone could call Kate relatable.
I fear we are having a sophomore year where the whole thing is WAY WAY WAY too over produced and scripted. It’s seemed pretty organic for a reality show last season…
I don’t tune in to see judgemental Captain Lee frowning, Ben being a two faced twat, Kate being a twat to the sweet little Alabama girl who did NOTHING wrong and never mentioned that Kat was a head doctor who went after her love interest.
As for the guests THIS WAS BEV’S SECOND TIME ON THE SHOW and they have a pretty hard time getting people to pay and do the trip so they should kiss Bev’s ass and Adrienne’s as well. Clearly production was in on bringing Adrienne back to once again make her look bad.
The “scissoring photo” wasn’t even scissoring for fucksake.
This whole episode pissed me off. It wasn’t Adrienne or Bev or the guests that made the boat/crew bad it was production.
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Relatable might have been the wrong word choice. But she did go out for drinks with her workers and is not constantly shoving in their faces that she is their boss like adrienne did.
There is a big difference between managing last season Kat and that horrid Sam person and This season’s Kat and Amy, the poor girl who is just trying to do her job. And they all go out for drinks they are all they have to spend downtime with.
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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me too. I am kind of heartbroken watching it. If production wants someone like Kate good for them because she sure isn’t going to be employable after this show. Adrienne always will have a job. So disappointed, they took a really good thing and screwed it up completely. I KNEW something bizarre was going on when after the reunion on WWHL last year they skipped Adrienne’s closeup and panned to Sam for a second time (that was after Andy said Adrienne had been given a hart time on twitter even though most of the public was rallying around her). I am not even going to watch the current episode after this. Leave it to Bravo to screw up a good thing.
Oh and if I see these fucktards whine one more time about a $1000 tip for a few days work I’m going to lose my mind. That TIP is on top of their salary. Suck it up for the weeks you are SAILING AROUND THE FUCKING CARIBBEAN and shut the fuck up.
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 2:07 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
> I’m gobsmacked that anyone could call Kate relatable. > > I fear we are having a sophomore year where the whole thing is WAY WAY WAY > too over produced and scripted. It’s seemed pretty organic for a reality > show last season… > > I don’t tune in to see judgemental Captain Lee frowning, Ben being a two > faced twat, Kate being a twat to the sweet little Alabama girl who did > NOTHING wrong and never mentioned that Kat was a head doctor who went after > her love interest. > > As for the guests THIS WAS BEV’S SECOND TIME ON THE SHOW and they have a > pretty hard time getting people to pay and do the trip so they should kiss > Bev’s ass and Adrienne’s as well. Clearly production was in on bringing > Adrienne back to once again make her look bad. > > The “scissoring photo” wasn’t even scissoring for fucksake. > > This whole episode pissed me off. It wasn’t Adrienne or Bev or the > guests that made the boat/crew bad it was production. > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Tamara Tattles [email protected]> wrote: > >>
Yep. From a guest service point of view, Captain Lee was right in his blog. But if they were professional all the time, that would make for a very boring show.
They may be the guests from hell, but in the guest service industry, a guest is a guest. What I mean is, the guests are not to blame. When I was at Disney, there was a saying “The guest may not always be right, but a guest is always a guest.” That is Disneyspeak for “The guest may not know their ass from their elbow, but they pay to be entertained, so your job is to suck it up, and deal with it.”
If Adrianne is still in the industry, she is held to a higher standard of behavior, as is the crew. Whether on the clock or off. That’s just the way it is.
I definitely think these guys all whine A LOT. They are getting paid, tips, food, days off, living on a yacht and all they do is complain. I do think the last guests were over the top with the spilling/breaking/lewd comments. I am all for having fun but a little class would go a long way. However I do think the Capt should have tried a little harder to be cordial. Ben continues to be in snit all the time. The $1000 tip may have been worst of season but would have been one of the better ones for last season.
never liked adrienne. she treated her staff like crap and never pitched in. and her behavior is and was embarrassing. She has a superiority complex with nothing to back it up. At least Kate pitches in and does her share and knows how to lead by example. Don’t like how they have to bend over backwards for guests who are rude, sexually suggestive, etc. I wouldn’t last long at that line of work unless I could tell some of those obnoxious guests to eff off. Tip or no tip, alot of those guests cross the line!
Sam, get over it. No one liked you. Not here, not in any review, not anyone except that ugly guy you hooked up with.
My husband really can’t abide any of the RHO shows, but he’s found this one intriguing enough to watch with me, albeit on the DVR.
We talked about Amy and Kelley during the show, and his (100% totally armchair non-professional opinion) is that the two of them were really abused. Amy as the older one learned to a) be the good girl to avoid the abuse, and b) maybe spent a lot of time in her youth trying to convince someone of Kelley’s good points to try and stop him from getting beat. Kelley’s the classic beat-up kid who acted out for attention, then fled to the military to escape, and now is back with a mix of messed-up-edness from all of that.
So, he thought Amy was in classic “talk up/defend Kelley mode” with Jennice on this episode.
I thought Kate could have shown some compassion. Amy was right in her talking head interview – she’s crying and losing it, and Kate’s showing zero empathy. My husband agreed with Capt. Lee, because he was on the side of compartmentalize everything, close it off totally for the job, and deal with it later. Professional? Maybe. Unhealthy? I think so, plus you’re on a reality show! They don’t want stoicism, they want tears!
Ben was two-faced, but Ben wasn’t going to hide that for the cameras. I think by the end of S1, he was getting testy with Adrienne (I remember the, “don’t forget that technically I outrank you” moment on one episode), but not enough that he wouldn’t hug her if she offered (and who knows how much she’d drunk during dinner by the time she came to see him).
I keep telling my husband S1 was way better.
Amy and Kelly may have been abused, but they did admit that they were abandoned. It doesn’t sound like they had a happy and healthy childhood. Amy had to step up to care for Kelly. When she went away to collage, then on to work, Kelly was basically alone. Which is what lead him to enlist. Both keep mentioning that they are all they have.
Working in close quarters like that, I can see where the who cast would start to get on each others’ nerves. You live and work together, and then wind up going out together. Throw in a tough charter or someone who’s interfering with the schedule, and you basically have a ticking time bomb.
I understand why Captain Lee had to let Andrew go, but I think they could have kept him and made him everyone’s gofer. He could have helped wash and clean the deck, serve meals and drinks, do wash, help set up the slide, etc. He at least seemed willing to try to do things.
I liked Kate at the start, but her whining and complaining about the guests turned me off. I thought Kat was a drunken skank from the last season, so my opinion of her didn’t change.
I didn’t mind Andrew, but he did not work hard. He was incompetent and slow.
But, more than that, HE FAJED HIS RESUME. Straight up grounds for automatic termination in most every job I’ve known of.
That and as we will see next week, tying up the boat is not something that can be fucked up with serious consequences. If you are dumb enough to open the porthole, you are dumb enough to get crushed between the boat and the dock.
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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What TT said. Andrew may have been cute in that “men who act like kids” way that some find attractive, but the safety of the crew and guests are at stake here. Am cringing, thinking of what happened in that preview where the yacht hits the dock.
I agree with you & your husband Betsybug. I think Amy tries to stick up for her brother Kelly because she’s been doing it since childhood & she’s trying to protect him. She probably should have stayed out of it, but her heart’s in the right place.
Amy was upset with how she was being treated by Kat & Kate, not the rumor or the guy from 4 years ago, & that’s where Captain Lee gets it wrong in his blog, imo. He was rather harsh on Amy. Kat was spreading it all over the boat, not Amy. I REALLY didn’t like Kat at all on this episode! Kate could have done a much better job of handling this situation, & I could see why Amy was upset.
Yes, the guests were a drunken mess, however, it’s vacation & people let loose & go crazy sometimes! Adrienne was trying to have fun & I thought she was nice to everyone. Other than dropping the rumor she’s got nothing to be embarrassed about.
If Captain Lee was going to fire him for lying, which I would have too, he should have immediately fired him instead of keeping him on because they were short-handed. And let’s be real, casting hired him and Lee got some input. A truly responsible employer will do a background check and check out references which apparently Lee didn’t do either.
Like I said above, there are many jobs on the ship that he could have done. I wouldn’t let him near anything important that would put everyone at risk. Instead of pulling Jannice to serve, they could have had Andrew. At least he would have smiled and been cordial towards the guests, unlike Bitchy-Resting Face.
I haven’t read Captain Lee’s blog on this episode yet. Off to go read it now.
@betsybug-I totally agree with your husbands point of view because I have lived it. I have compassion for Amy and Kelley because they are trying to find their place in the world after a childhood that most likely did not give them a good basic foundation for life. You are also correct about Ben who was testy at the end of last season with Adrienne because, “technically, I out rank you.” He does not ever hide his opinions from the cameras, but that flip of attitude towards Adrienne was better than a 10.00 at the Olympics.
What does concern me now is : 1. What do the owner’s of the Ohana feel about the way their yacht has been treated during this show, and has the Ohana’s reputation been damaged after this season; 2. What do the guest have to say about the way they were treated by the crew, especially Kate and Ben, who did not deliver service with a smile; 3. How has the yachting industry been affected by this-are they getting more charters from new clients or are older clients less inclined to book without checking out the crew members’ backgrounds.
I would love for Bravo to invite some of the guest to the reunion to address how they feel they were served by the crew. That would be must see tv!!! I doubt it will ever happen, but I can keep hope alive.
I want the reunion to be moderated by someone who actually watches the show if they have one this year. Last year the reunion was too ridiculous to watch. Andy seemed to think Sam and CJ were fan favorites and that everyone liked Kat.
Bravo needs a new host for reunions. Andy can still do the reunions on shows he actually watches or produces…but they need another one for things like Below Deck.
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I agree Andy should not be the reunion host because of his wishy-washy ways. However, JEFF LEWIS watches the show and he would be the perfect moderator to reign in this crew, and if Bravo had the balls, interview the guest. TT contact one of your sources behind the scenes at Bravo and make it happen stat…..Anticipation…..
i love some of the guests to appear at the reunion show and let us know the crap they saw/heard that never got aired. that’s a great point, goldenindigo.
I’m still wondering if anyone has any answers to this question…
“I do have a burning question though. Has anyone ever heard any feedback from guests who were negatively portrayed on show? I would be truly pissed after hearing some of the crew’s talking head interviews.”
I can’t think of his name, but the guest who was a prior charter of Adrienne’s said he got a bad rap. They only showed the cash tip that was left, but he had also given a check which would have made it equal to or a little higher than the best tip of that season. Apparently, he wasn’t happy that they made him look like a deadbeat tipper.
A, I AM SO PISSED ABOUT HOW THEY TREATED ADRIENNE!!! Oh, she asked the stews to get things done, while working herself, and for that was bullied and ganged up on? Yeah that makes sense.
B. Get your shut together, Kat.
C. Kate actually didn’t entertain Kat’s gossip; but she should’ve just told Amy that, rather than holding a grudge from the blanket incident.
D. The Amy/Jeannice talk was setting up the next couple episodes where Jeannice and her boyfriend break up.
E. WTF WERE THRY THEY THINKING TREATING ADRIENNE THAT WAY???
I know! A guest is a guest. And Adrienne was nice and polite to all the crew and wasn’t once demanding or condescending. If Kat had spoken to a regular charter guest like she did to Adrienne, she would have been fired. Hell, she was even rude to Beverly who was the primary! She doesn’t have to run her guest choices by Kat.
Was laughing at BH Wannabe’s post, so had to post again. Can you imagine having Sam and Kat working for you? Poor Adrienne, having the biggest bitches ever complain non-stop about you. I’m sure Kat has poisoned a few crew members against Adrienne. The only reason I can see for the hate she got this episode. That Adrienne didn’t hang CJ, Sam and Kat off the bow with chum says something for her restraint.
Someone earlier said Ben was two-faced. He bitches about everyone, so no surprise there, and it was obvious to anyone not drunk how he tolerated Adrienne’s hug and was fighting to not push her off. What a punk.
love the show, but think kelley and amy relationship is soo weird, like he has mommy issues and amy is his mommy? he acts so immature and like he has never had a gf before…and the way he grabbed jennice’s face during that kiss was awkward….just weird, otherwise love the show!!
On the whole Adrienne vs. Kate. Obviously Kate has more experience and I think initially did a better job of getting her stews to support her than Adrienne. It was first time for A and I think she was a little intimidated. However she had Sam vs. Amy so huge boost for Kate. Kat actually did okay with A until the liquor incident. She should have been thanking A at the reunion since A found the bottle but didn’t tell the capt. Instead at the reunion Kat again ragged on A. As did the others pointing to the “boob guy.” A said she did talk to him about if off camera and honestly had Kat not been drinking she would not have been offended at all, she would have loved the attention and if not she would have known how to shut the guy down. I don’t know why Ben (was he the guy standing right there when it happened?) not step in and say Kat why don’t you go get some water and tell the guy to let it go, problem solved. I highly doubt that really upset Kat.
So I feel really sorry for A last season. However I do think she allowed Bravo to use her to stir up trouble this last episode and I don’t think it was worth it. My take is everyone knew that A was coming back and it was all set up about the blow story. Amy was truly upset because she knew it was coming but never expected Kate to take Kat’s side. She really didn’t but she should have taken Amy aside after Kat slammed the door in her face and told her she was not siding with Kat, we will deal with it after the guests leave and to suck it up.
All in all from the editing or what really happened both Eddie and Kate seem to help their staff much more than Alex or Adrienne did. Hard to know what is real though.
Biggest problem with this season is the producer driven plots. Why did we never see last season only 1 stew serving dinner as happened that one night? Seems set up to cause issues.
From a poster on Below Deck’s FB page regarding why Bev came back:
” Actually, she went back with her family because her sister beat cancer for the third time. Her sister was supposed to have gone with her the first time, but cancer got in the way. Gotta love it when a “reality” show edits everything so that all that is shown is people being drunk, not the Captain having a blast with the group, sliding down the waterslide, feeding fish with the group, and getting AS drunk as the guests… But then that wouldn’t kick up the drama pathetic people look for in the midst of their lonely lives. I suggest you go on one of these pathetic shows and see how much they distort the truth of your life into their “reality.”
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I wonder if this is true. We do only see a little bit of the actual trip. Could be damage control by a friend of the charter group but maybe not. Interesting. Course I find it hard to believe Capt Lee would drink on Charter at least not to the point of getting drunk.
No doubt that there is editing that takes place, but since I wasn’t on the cruise (Were you?) and the Capt appears to be no nonsense and straight laced, I would not make a deduction in agreement with what you report unless I saw it myself. No offense, biz. It’s just that what you allege could be very problematic for the cruise company and could negatively impact its relationship with Capt. Lee.
You are free to believe what you want, but I have confirmed that the last episode was horribly edited to make a REPEAT CUSTOMER and her friends and family look bad. I’d assume this will be problematic for Bravo getting any other people willing to lease them a boat as they have made the boat itself look bad by showing it in staged disarray on the very first episode.
I’ve spoken to people who know the primary charter Bev and what the person said in the other post was confirmed.
I’d say this is the last season of Below Deck.
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Oops! Sorry. I overloked your note about citing what another poster posted.
@TT. If you’re the source, then I believe what biz cited without identifying you as the source beyond, “From a poster on Below Deck’s FB page regarding why Bev came back:”.
gotcha. I was not the original source, I just made some contacts to confirm.
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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You cant think about some of these stories the next time you are on a cruise!
I didn’t enjoy this episode. Ick.
I think kat was more embarrassed and ashamed of her actions when they became public. She should of simply owned her past, stated she’s no like that now and she’d appreciate being judged by her current actions & suck It up.
Yes, Adrienne should of apologized. But she did. This is reality tv & all should know if you have skeletons the producers flesh that out, usually while taping. Kat should of maybe expected something like that, maybe put it out on the table first. Why else would they add Amy to the cast? Why else would they exclude Adrienne but then have her guest spot one time?
Eddie shut the feck up! There is no kat & Amy drama. Amy no longer cared about the past. She didn’t bring it up. She was never pissy to kat. It’s kat & Adrienne drama. How could so many seemingly intelligent adults miss that?
And Kate? I think this needs to be her last year doing this. She’s lost whatever gift she had if she had it. Very disappointed in her reaction, feelings and words toward Amy. Kat and Kate behaved like it was highschool. So did Adrienne but at least she apologized and treated kat decently for the remaining time.
@TamaraTattles, (Hi!) Is there a reason why my posts continue on occasion to go “in moderation”?
Let’s just say it’s not anything I’m doing. The spam filter blocks some words and random letter combinations. Since it doesn’t happen to you all the time, I assume you just type the unlucky sequence of keystrokes from time to time.
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Thanks for your reply, T. I understand that tech ‘stuff’ can inadvertently happen, and am glad that it’s nothing that I am consciously doing.
My iPad is @1% left.
Sooooooo ~ Adrienne has a nice body…we get. Despite that it
was pea-green in color.
Great recap…and agreed, kat, yikes, what a sleaze who has zero self respect and cant even remember who she blows.” There must have been alcohol involved” and then tries to spin it by saying it was probably a 3 some…shes so icky I would never get on a boat with her serving anything to me…and lets not forget the pillow episode..gezzz..I guess u dont catch fish on this charter…more likely crabs
And Ben and Kat in bed together…yuck…gross…
Where I come from we call a person who behaves like Kat (be they male or female) disease ridden. It means they sleep around and do so carelessly and indiscriminately and are therefore in danger of actively or potentially spreading their history to others. We also call anyone foolish enough to have anything to do with them disease ridden. Ben, that’s you.
Kat is a total slut. I guess because she has nothing else to offer. I can’t believe Ben gets involved with her.