So, some mafia princess goes on national TV and says your husband once slept with your mother. How do you respond? Would your response be louder if it were true or if it was not? This week, Nicole and Teresa got their blogs up early. Both were a single page, way less than they usually are. There was no gratitude or shout outs to twitter friends. It was, pretty much the least they could do and still blog. Here is what they had to say. What they DIDN’T say may be more important.
When it comes to that hideous conversation that took place with Teresa Giudice, Amber, and that blonde (who really must cut those hair extensions, because she looks like Grandma Strega from a bad porn movie)… In Italian households you can talk about many people and things, but a mother? That’s one thing that’s off limits. All I have to say is Karma’s a bitch!
As far as the coffee klatch conversation, it’s so sad how other people need to build themselves up by attempting to take other people down. One thing which everyone should know about me by now, and will learn if they don’t know already, nobody is more real than I am. I don’t sugar coat anything. I say what I mean, and I mean what I say. To know me is to love me, to cross me is the worst thing you can do when it comes to the people I love. We all know what we signed up for with #RHONJ and being a Housewife…it’s not The Brady Bunch. Although for me, there is a line of respect I draw when it comes to parents and children. This scene was nothing but a total lack of respect — filth and lies. Shame, shame, shame on anyone involved. My family, my blood, my mother, my father, my sister, my nephews Anthony and Joey, my husband Rino, and my son Giovanni are my world, my loves, and my life. And so help me God, anyone that tries to hurt or destroy any one of them… All I will say is there is God, and karma is a bitch. So beware, because everyone will get served exactly what they deserve, while I sit back peacefully.
Neither twin tweeted any real comments during the show last night. They retweeted lost of supportive tweets that was it.
Victoria Gotti tweeted a picture of John Gotti that read, “I never lie because I’m not afraid of anyone. You only lie when you’re afraid.”
It’s interesting to me that there is no denial. Teressa says the scene was “filth and lies” in a general sense.
Thoughts?
Tamara, do you know of anything in a Housewife contract that would stop them from filing a slander lawsuit? This is such an explosive and hurtful bit of gossip. It’s nothing like typical Housewives drama. Bravo shouldn’t have aired it. Still, I have a hard time believing Victoria Gotti would say something she couldn’t back up.
The housewives contract literally says they can defame, slander, mock, etc the housewives to no end. I am not sure if Santa is under a similarly worded contract but she probably is as well. There are things in the contract to strongly dissuade them from doing so anyway.
They signed a contract giving away all of their privacy, medical, psychological, records. EVERYTHING. Nothing is off limits legally.
It seems Bravo has no moral boundaries to concern themselves with.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Didn’t you post/mention that one housewife can’t sue another housewife? Or was I just drinking and not reading that night?
They can’t sue Bravo or other people on the show for defamation. They waive all sorts of rights when signing the contract.
The validity of the detail in the Bravo clauses has to my knowledge never been tested.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Didn’t NeNe and Phaedra pull some “Cease and Desist” things on each other(and other castmates)? This would have been last Season. For some reason I thought they made some odd comments at the RHOA Reunion about it. I have a crappy memory though also. A C & wouldn’t fall under suing, would it? It’s away to get another cast member(s) to shut up? Just wondering TT
I don’t recall that.
The only thing that has ever come close is Adrienne Maloof. Her lawyers sent Brandi threatening letters. They threatened legal action they tried going after Bravo and Adrienne quit the show. But no actual suit was ever brought. And Adrienne pissed off Bravo.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:18 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I don’t know how much I believe this. And on the note of Victoria Gotti being honest- that’s the biggest crock of sh*t I’ve ever heard! She comes from a family of murders, clearly shows no remorse for it- OH, and there WAS that stint when she tried having her OWN reality show, and tried to get ratings by saying she was diagnosed with breast cancer. Only later did she finally admit they found some precancerous cells, she was NEVER actually diagnosed, and later the doctor said it was nothing. Wonder if Amber knows about that? I don’t know if it’s true or not, but I would never go on the basis of Victoria Gotti having an honest bone in her body.
What’s in it for Victoria Gotti to come out with that allegation? It’s clear that whole situation with Amber coming to the event was set up to set up that scene. Is Tre mentoring Amber in how to be devious? Where’s Kim D?
If the allegation is true then I am baffled as to the current state of the twins’ family. Is their no limit to their capacity to forgive adultery and betrayal? Why didn’t their dad kick their mother out on the street?
Maybe he knows nothing about it. Until now…
I don’t care if you are John Gottis daughter don’t talk about my mama at all! I will punch you in your fucking throat!
To put a picture of John Gotti with a caption about never lying says it all. I just threw up in my mouth!
I know that’s right!
I agree, what was not said came through loud and clear. Teressa wrote her blog in a tone that sounded to me like I think a John Gotti type hoodlum would. We know who Victoria is, of course, I doubt she went on RHONJ just to spread nonsense. This gave new meaning to Rino’s compliment to all the women at the Valentine’s dinner, the first one being to the mother and her deserving the credit for the daughters. How did Teressa ever resolve that with her mother, is what I want to know. Family is NOT everything always.
I wouldnt even attempt to comment on that nonsense! I would however have a ” sit down” with Victoria so I could punch her in the fucking throat. That aint even my Mama and I am pissed.
Sounds like to me that Rino got Victoria’s engine purring with his gifts, and much to her disappointment, he didn’t close the deal with his affection. We all got a taste of Gotti’s sour grapes.
(The twins are right to zip their lips and let Karma handle it.)
Ummm, clearly that’s NOT what happened. She rejected the Rolex and seemed liked she wanted nothing to do w/ him. I believe her 100% Why would she publicly disparage someone’s mom for no reason? He absolutely comes across as someone who would do that. His own wife said, on the same episode, that he slept w/ ‘every stripper imaginable’.
Do we know if Santa was ever a stripper?
Siobhan, You now know she’s coming to get you, right? Nobody will see or hear from you again because you threatened bodily harm to the Teflon Daughter.
I am sure I will be just fine. 🙂
She so enjoys people being scared of her because of her notorious father’s sins. You will be just fine. Only those with that mentality live in fear. This is what she comes up with to get some attention. Low life prostitution whore that she is. Those are Teresa’s words not mine 🙂
Rino said that it was a salacious story. True. His family is his life. That may very well be. what he didn’t say is, “I can’t imagine how someone that I once considered a friend would say something so heinous about me. Maybe i was making a bad joke one night, and she thought I said something like that. It goes without saying that I would never, ever, EVER do something like that and I am sorry that my mother-in-law’s name was mentioned in a less than positive light. Anybody that believes this story is a fool.
Nope, he sure didn’t say anything like that.
Indeed, he did not…
Remember how PISSED the twins were at Amber for something not nearly as big of a deal? She was spreading lies! Lies! Lies! Let’s run out of store with out paying and lynch her!
No reaction at all from them over this?
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Good point!
I believe what Victoria said was true (at least to her knowledge). If so, I really respect that neither twin lied and said it didn’t happen. All these housewives seem to lie about stupid stuff, so for them to not want to go there just as a gut reaction to protect themselves actually says a lot.
Actually, Teressa called it “filth and lies”. Could this actually be true? I just cant believe that he would do that and she would forgive him….
The drama didn’t just fall in the bravo gravy bowl….Victoria spoon fed it to them. The fact that they decided to air it is disgusting. The fact that neither one of the twins led their blogs with “this never happened, our mom is an amazing person and is truly hurt by these lies” is a bit of a tell.
I agree with you Angel and Victoria didn’t spread it as hearsay, she said Rino said it to her face.
In the RHONYC Reunion, there was a part where Ramona was complaining about them talking about Mario cheating – and she was wanting to move on and not discuss it.
Ramona looked at Andy and said something like, “Andy who will you be sleeping with tonight?”
To which Andy said, “I’ll answer when I’m on a reality show with him.”
So I guess he was saying anyone who comes on the show is giving up any confidentiality – all discovered skeletons will be revealed?
Just sayin’. Look what has happened to Teresa and Joe. Melissa’s beaver house plus failed singing career and proven liar many times over. Then there’s Amber getting called on the carpet for talking too much about herself having cancer and sharing gossip about Nicole cheating. Nicole’s been outed as having a fake relationship with Bobby. Now it’s TeRESSA’s turn, her husband and mother.
As the world turns.
Maybe this is why Bobby doesn’t come around the house too much!?
I think i figured it out. Bravo has successfully destroyed families, exploited children, inflamed a drug addict and has had a suicide. They are going for a murder !
Miliania will deliver a fish wrapped in brown paper to the twins, whispering…..Victoria swims with the fishes.
I thought the same thing. And Bravo would probably air the murder as a 3 part series. Have they no shame…
I know it sounds as if I am sticking up for Bravo…ugh…but when Taylor’s husband committed suicide, she was consulted. They did edit him out as much as possible. I do remember seeing him in one scene and it was a little much for me. However I remember it being her choice to have any of it included. Taylor chose to go ahead and include that part. I can’t imagine making that type of decision during a time like that.
I don’t want to argue about Bravo…but everyone on these shows…make that choice to sign away it all. I didn’t realize all they signed away until TT’s above comment!
I.do totally get and agree with most of what you stated though! !!!
I don’t think Bravo should have aired this Rino/Santa thing. Not with Kid’s and Grand kid’s involved! Guessing they let them watch a little? If not they’ll be told all about it!
I’ve said it once before, Bravo is the Devil incarnate. They really are evil.
And Victoria is just as evil, that’s why she went to them. She recognizes herself in them. They understand each other. Filth.
That was good!
I think it was really dirty of Bravo to air that. Whether it’s true or not, they went too far.
I think so too.
Agreed. I needed a shower just after hearing it….Ugh!
Bravo is like the honey badger. It don’t give a shit. It takes what it wants.
Say it again, don’t think they heard ya. If u don’t want your ish aired on national television…don’t do on tv….least of all, Bravo!
I agree with you, @marywanna, and beyond that, it was way low of VG to drop it in Theresa and ‘Ambah’s’ laps. If VG felt it was so important to be known, she should have bladder OFF SCREEN.
VG obviously is desperate for some screen time. That aside, Amber’s reaction, her facial expressions, to VG’s claim, were comic gold, from the moment that VG began setting up her claim and through and after the time it took VG to drop it in Theresa and Amber’s laps.
John Gotti never lied? So he was telling the truth when he said Not Guilty in what, four trials. Yeah right…thank goodness teflon wears off.
You realize you can be “not guilty” for more reasons that simply not committing the alleged crime, right?
If you want to get technical about it. We all know he was guilty as sin.
Sounds like to me that Rino got Victoria’s engine purring with his gifts, and much to her disappointment, he didn’t close the deal with his affection. We all got a taste of Gotti’s sour grapes.
(The twins are right to zip their lips and let Karma handle it.)
Victoria doesn’t seem to worried about karma to me.
I agree that there is no reason that we know of for Victoria Gotti to lie about this.
Personally, I find the twins really annoying. When they were on WWHL even Andy looked like he was losing patience with them.
I hope Bobby heads for the hills.
I agree. Victoria also said he made this statement to a table of women. Why would Victoria make this up? Why bring it up now? Because they are on the show?
She needs attention.
I believe Victoria Gotti’s comment as a truth she heard and her daughters were smart not to call her a liar on camera or ever publicly.
We can say what we want in here but if you live there the Gotti name still holds respect.
Plus the daughters didn’t seem surprised at the comment.
And why hasn’t this story generated an explosion? Is it because nobody is watching the show and does not care about the characters? Or has the viewing public become jaded.
I feel like Amber’s husband made it a bigger deal! Don’t get me wrong, I was shocked to hear that come out of Gotti’s mouth! I think most of us were? But damn! Jim flippin ran with that crap and has never stopped! Besides Joe & Tre, everything seems like hear say. Jim is the one everyone keeps pulling documents out on. It’s gross. MIL stuff, seems like total old school.”Days of Our Lives” crap! LoL
I read an old article that said Victoria Gotti has lifetime protection by John Gotti’s old mob associates. That may be hogwash, but I’ll bet Victoria believes it, so I doubt she’s afraid of anything. That was some kinda crazy last night, and I didn’t believe it…until just now when I read the twins’ blog exerpts above. Now I wonder. They did not actually defend their mother, did they? Not really.
This gives new meaning to Santa saying, “Ho Ho Ho”…..or at least in their family.
Great snark!
The mob is no more unless it’s the Russians so i don’t think she has shit.
She 100% is protected, respected and has nothing to worry about. Yes, the Mob does not exist in the same way it once did but it definitely still exists. She was exacting revenge on Rino for someone or something to publicly smear his name like that. IMO
I agree that what the twins didn’t say actually says it all. If untrue, I wouldn’t talk about “karma.” I would say you have lied and defamed my mother. I would also have Rino & my mother come out and deny it. It’s such an inflammatory thing to say that I can’t imagine you’d say it unless you had something to back it up. Plus, I doubt Gotti would go after the mother (someone she doesn’t even know) unless Rino told her he had slept with her. I feel sorry for the twins’ father. How humiliating. If I were TerEssa or Nicole, I don’t think I’d be breaking bread with my mother on Valentine’s day with Rino telling her how beautiful she is. A huge– GROSS! Boundaries people, boundaries.
I wouldn’t talk about karma either. “Karma is a bitch” is an overused phrase that I get so tired of hearing. Karma is a bitch? No, I’m a bitch. I don’t wait for karma to settle a score for me; I handle it swiftly myself.
That’s called vengeance not karma.
I agree, they make it sound like Karma is about revenge, and I also hate when people talk in cliche’s, makes me think they just can’t come up with their own ideas. “At the end of the day….” makes me want to jump through the tv and bop them on the head
What exactly do they mean by Karma? What are they referring to when they say this?
It’s pretty much like ” You will reap what you sow”
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I believe Victoria was telling the truth. If you saw the pics of the mother back then she was hot also. I think that was the reason they where divorced/separated for 11 years.
I don’t care if it is true or not, Bravo should not have aired it. I am thinking Gotti hates the twins and RIno.
If Vic was making it up why not just say he slept with the other twin? A whole lot more believable and realistic. The story she told is so crazy maybe it is true. Neither twin refuted the story or used the ‘he was drunk and joking card’. Then again since Bravo heavily edits the housewives’ blogs maybe they just removed their stronger denials to try and inflate ratings.
Rino denied it on twitter last night sort of. His denial was a picture of a text or something that said she was lying. I forget the wording I found it odd he didn’t just type the words.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Yeah. Maybe they recieved a production phone call telling them to skirt an actual denial for a bump in ratings. Doubt it will work.
It seemed like a pretty weak denial from Rino. Even if he did it stronger, I’d say he protests too much. I just have a feeling Victoria told the truth. Supposedly the father of the twins was in jail at the time. That part may not be true. The girls talking about karma is just no defense b s. I think Victoria may like to be on TV, but why would she make an appearance just to initiate false gossip. I doubt she is that desperate. It appears Nicole’s 14 year old son was making a fool of himself along with Jim Marchese on Twitter. The kid seems to be blaming Amber in the parts not deleted. Is he afraid to blame a Gotti, or did he? Jim says he got the twins and their men on the show. This sounds real, Amber was desperate to be on RHONJ, Jim is Bobby’s buddy. They probably put them on as a package. They all never suspect every damaging thing from their past to come out because they are stupid. Don’t trust Bravo to jave your back and those contracts with anything goes in them are real.
How utterly strange, if it’s true, although for some reason I don’t believe it. Italians can overlook their men screwing their goomadas and strippers but banging someone’s mother isn’t necessarily a forgivable action. In any case, I don’t buy it.
I don’t think that goes over very well in any culture.
Even if it is true, there as some things you just do not bring up. What is her motive other than Bravo giggled and clapped there hands like the shit stirrers that they are to get her to do. She probably called them and told them she had something juicy that they could use on the show. I can see karma coming back to bite her in the ass. What is past is past and people have things they move on from in their lives and it was just dirty what she did. I don’t even like the twins, but they deserve their privacy in a private family matter. But when you come on a show like this, ALL your dirty laundry is fair game. Victoria and Bravo are cut from the same cloth. And she has the nerve to quote her father like he was Kahlil Gibran instead of the sadistic killer and low life criminal that he was to justify it. She thinks by telling someone’s secrets she’s not afraid to the tell the truth. I guess not cause some thug gangster post mafia era moron will most likely try to intimidate them. Loser.
This reminds me of Tre at the beauty salon when the guy came in and told her about Melissa working for him on the pole. Seems like the same kind of set-up to me. I’m wondering if Victoria and/or Tre went to Bravo with the information and then it was scripted for the show. Just a thought..
Oh it was definitely scripted into the show… but why?
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Ratings ploy. Whether it goes anywhere or not, remains to be seen. Either way, people are writing about it and tweeting about it, and we will watch to see what happens.
I agree Cat. It has to be for ratings which equals money for Bravo. The only other possibility that I can come up with would be to take some of the negative attention off of Tre. I highly doubt that though. Bravo has no heart. It’s a business so it’s about the bottom line.
Considering her mentality, could be a vendetta. Otherwise, maybe just needs some attention, wants to be another dumb, shady housewife.
Totally agree Cat!!!
In the first two seasons of RHONJ there was so much speculation about the mob. The history of Tiny Manzo found stuffed in the trunk of his Caddy, Danielle’s enforcers, etc. gave the show the air of proximity to organized crime, but it quickly veered away from that and towards simple fambily squabbling.
This episode was interesting. It brought all of that back but instead of the ladies denying the implication of the mob, now they are celebrating it and making it a story line. Teresa G now claims The Godfather is her favorite and has much to teach? She is buddies with the most infamous mob princess? Really?
I think the lack of a strong denial says it all when it comes to Rino and the twins. That was quite the WTF moment.
Surely the company the Guidices keep offers an explanation into their criminal acts– stemming from a sense of self-importance that these arrogant mobster types have entrenched into their mentality. That’s why Teresa just can’t understand why this is happening to them. Getting caught was not supposed to happen in the fantasy world they live in.
Victoria must have some “protection” to have the balls to dish that shit. She’s a loser. No consequences for the most atrocious of accusations. She can’t help it, she got it honest.
I think they are scared of messing with a “Gotti” and dont want to go too far in calling her a liar. I just cant believe he did that. Too gross.
Sure they are, but really it’s the mystique of the legacy that Gotti left behind rather that they’re scared of rather than any real harm coming to them IMO. There’s no fear greater than that in your own mind. Imagine being able to scare people because who your father was. The mafia is no more. What’s left is people like Victoria trying to trade on it’s prior power to instill fear in people. Gotti scared a lot of people because his henchman killed rivals or people who just offended him, routinely. Shame on Victoria for using such a sickening tactic to get away with something as low as what she did. She might think she is a some kind of princess but she ain’t nobody’s princess. Princess of a landfill maybe, for obvious reasons.
I hope Andy brings up Tamra’s ichy ass/getting money comment up and tells her that it actually means she needs a bar of soap and some water…..
Oops sorry, wrong board.
I wonder why Amber was really brought in as the “Friend” for this bit? Never mind…As I was going to type “wonder why not Melissa?” I bet Gotti most likely doesn’t appreciate Ms . Melissa much? Damn tho! To just run off at the mouth like that with a for real stranger sitting there?
Amber was the carrier pigeon to get it all out there. Teresa is too doped up and disconnected from the twins to go tell it on the mountain.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Ahhhhh. …makes sense!
Don’t sleep with your mother in law and it won’t come up on a reality show you signed up to be on later?
Sounds like a good plan.
If this is true, the mother should be humiliated for fucking her own daughter’s dude. What mother does that? A true motherfucker. Ho ho ho indeed.
The women in those “mob” or “wannabe mob” families were no shrinking violets. Some of them were violent and dangerous. Victoria’s own story, even when taken with a grain of salt, is pretty shocking, and I certainly would be askeered of her (and her mother). As for Rino, he comes across (to me) as an obnoxious horndog who is capable of anything. These people seem to be enamored of the mob, crazy as that is. Clueless and incredible. Like they’re in another world. Bravo has discovered this weird little area of the world no one thought existed anymore.
Maybe there was something in the past for which Victoria is getting even? Maybe someone in the twins’ family crossed John Gotti in some way and this is her payback?
But I believed her that Rino said it, whether it is true or not that he slept wiith his mother in law. Rino craves attention. That’s something that has not been considered-that Rino said it but was lying.
Anna77…I think you nailed it..My thoughts exactly…Rino or possibly Santa (maybe she banged some1 elses hubby in VG circle, Who knows..lol) or even Sal Napolitano could have crossed Gotti or an associate and Victoria is getting revenge for them by humiliating him in front off 2 million people.
Hmmm…..this story is reprehensible and has taken Bravo to the lowest of lows. It never should have aired-no exceptions. This is only speculation on my part, but Victoria may have been motivated to tell this story because there may have been rumors in the distant past that romantically linked her father, John Gotti, to Santa. So, if John Gotti was interested in Santa, it is highly unlikely that Santa’s husband would do anything about her alleged involvement with some other man (even Rino) because of the possible retaliation from the Teflon Don. The table discussion may have been Victoria’s way of settling an old score with Santa. Victoria loves the spotlight, and is viewed as a pariah by most of the other women connected to the mob. She knows it is completely wrong to gossip about someone’s mother in a public matter. She should watch her step because there are many people in “the life” who do not fear her and have no respect for her father’s reputation. The twin’s father is the biggest victim in this calamity.
What could possibly be gained by Victoria Gotti going on national tv and spreading such a disgusting rumor? She got her 30 seconds of fame. She’s a washed up hack and she’s as phony as her stringy hairpieces. Get a life Victoria, no one believes you and not only did you make an ass out of yourself, you’ve given new meaning to the word pathetic. I hope you read this…don’t have an ounce of respect for you.
Speak for yourself. I believe her.
I believe I just did.
Well, when you state, ‘no one believes you’, you’re speaking for more than just yourself 🙂
Porsha looks like she’s going to pull out a tambourine and start singing We are the World.
oops wrong thread.
Listen, I don’t have a beef with you. People who are jealous, envious, troubled or bored spread vicious, disgusting rumors about other people who are happily living their lives and minding their own business. Or, they take someone’s “skeletons” and make them public knowledge for no good reason other than to stir the pot, cause trouble or defame someone. Normally, people understand and recognize that. That’s it. Period. That’s my take. I’m speaking for myself.
I’m sorry, I forgot to click Reply. My last comment was in reply to mdm…
I agree with you, @marywanna, and beyond that, it was way low of VG to drop it in Theresa and ‘Ambah’s’ laps. If VG felt it was so important to be known, she should have bladder OFF SCREEN.
VG obviously is desperate for some screen time. That aside, Amber’s reaction, her facial expressions, to VG’s claim, were comic gold, from the moment that VG began setting up her claim and through and after the time it took VG to drop it in Theresa and Amber’s laps.