It seems like this blog has gotten very heavy on Phaedra Parks lately. Yesterday, Phaedra took to her Instagram to share pictures of herself with the family and her thoughts on the tragedy in St. Louis.
During my St. Louis visit, I had the pleasure of meeting #MichaelBrown’s mother Lesley McSpadden. Although, we come from different places & backgrounds, we are very much alike-We are both black women & mothers who deeply love our sons. Unfortunately, she is planning her son’s funeral while I struggle to make sure my sons never know her son’s fate. #fixitjesus #JusticeforMikeBrown #Ferguson #prayforpeace #prayforstlouis #StopPoliceBrutality
I thought I would share that with you as well as some updates on what is going on in St. Louis today as more facts come out on this case. Today, the name of the officer was released as well as some police report details. MSNBC is playing a loop of some security video from the nearby QT that appears to show Mike Brown shoplifting a large box of swisher sweets (cigarellos) valued at $48.99. The person believed to be Mike is shown, with his friend Dorian Johnson who is all over TV giving interviews, leaving the convenience store as the employee, or possibly the owner, attempts to stop him. That video shows Mike turning around and shoving the older man into some shelving and the man cowering. That same QT store was looted and burned to the ground in the resulting riots.
Things have calmed down since they brought in Captain Ron Johnson of the Missouri Highway patrol to get things in hand. He seems to be doing a fantastic job.
Police released still images and were planning to release video from the robbery at a QuikTrip store in Ferguson. Officers, were called to the area after a 911 call reporting a “strong-arm robbery” at a nearby convenience store. [This occurred 10 minutes before Brown and Johnson were stopped, according to other reports]
Police have said Brown was shot after an officer encountered him and another man on the street. They say one of the men pushed the officer into his squad car, then physically assaulted him in the vehicle and struggled with the officer over the officer’s weapon. At least one shot was fired inside the car before the struggle spilled onto the street, where Brown was shot multiple times, according to police.
But a much different story has been told by Dorian Johnson, who says he was walking down the street with Brown when he was shot. He has said the officer ordered them out of the street, then grabbed his friend’s neck and tried to pull him into the car before brandishing his weapon and firing. He says Brown started to run and the officer pursued him, firing multiple times.
The family of Michael Brown is furious over these reports that they feel are simply the police trying to assassinate the charter of their son.
Reverend Johnathan Gentry, who is a very passionate voice with regard to this country’s issues regarding the high number of black males who are killed at a young age, has yet another video going viral today. It is sure cause controversy and I am posting it here without comment. You are welcome to share your thoughts.
i dont think the man in the video is mike brown….different shoes and haircut
And Phaedra is disgusting….different backgrounds and places. The was uncalled for
So there is another 6’4″ 290 that looks like him that was hanging out with a guy that looks just like the Dorian kid within a few blocks of the real Mike and the Real Dorian? I know everyone has a doppelganger but that is a bit of a stretch don’t you think?
I wish my can’t satchel of a doppelganger lived that close to me!!
DYAC! CUNT SATCHEL! 🙁
His friend , Dorian confirmed it was them in the QT store.
There is no proof that this is Mike Brown. And I thought you actually had some ammeter legal skills……..I am so wrong. Stop spreading lies via your blog. Brutally murdering our young black sons have to stop. There is no justification for shooting a young man in the back., with his arms raised, which is clearly the universal sign of surrender, multiple times. You were not trying to stop him, you were trying to assassinate him. #don’t shoot
It’s amateur. And THE FUCKING FAMILY HAS ADMITTED THAT IT IS MIKE IN THE VIDEO BECAUSE ANYONE WITH EYES CAN SEE BOTH BIG MIKE AND DORIAN IN THE DAMN STORE WHERE MIKE COMMITTED A ROBBERY.
What there is no proof of is that Mike put his hands up and cried not to be shot.
It appears that BIG MIKE STRUGGLED WITH A COP AND RAN.
What there is proof of is that a cop gave a command to a couple of thugs who refused to follow the directive of a police officer.
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Huh? It absolutely IS Michael Brown. Same shoes and red cap laying on the street in other photos showing Michael. His friend was with him in the convenience store too. The friend who earlier said he met up with Michael after Michael left the store.
The news media is saying that because Brown was a fleeing felon, the officer will likely be cleared. The officer is only 28 years old and has been on the force without any disciplinary incident.
So idiot is saying they are talking about Brown’s past (um the past was 15 minutes before he was shot) rather than focusing on his future (which dead people do not have.) The family of Brown should not allow all the usual idiots to speak for them. Let the State Patrol Captian do the talking for them. He seems calm, educated and unbiased.
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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The officer that shot him in the back did or did not know that he was a fleeing felon? Irregardless is that the way you apprehend a fleeing felon in this country. We just had a white man here inBeverly Hills beat a motor cycle cop senseless in the middle of broad day light. Not one time did he attempt to go for his weapon even though his was being over taken and injured. He yelled for onlookers to help him.
oh you have seen the autopsy? the supporter of Michael claim he had his hands up facing the officer begging not to be shot? Where did you get your info about him being shot in the back?
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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IRREGARDLESS IS NOT A WORD.
IS FUCK YOU A SENTENCE? YOU ARE NOT HUMAN.
I BET THIS GET MODERATED!
THAT EVEN MORE REASON YOU FOOLS SHOULD NOT BE IN HERE RIPPING HIM UP. A BOY UNARMED BEGGING FOR HIS LIFE YOU ALL CAN GO TO HELL!!
Hell is where that fat, thug pig is now. Dead and in hell.
Army wife needs an education!
And hell is the same place you going you dumb bitch, now go take a laxative and die!
please learn English.
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 9:41 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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judging from your big fat evil mouth tee cee it appears you already got shit pouring out of that shit hole! why don’t you get your fat ass off the computer and go get a 20g needle stab it in your chest with 1000mg of sodium bicab and a rectal tube up your ass with magnesium nitrate and do us all a favor.
TT do you have the autopsy report?
Ugly Ain’t Cute-You are one fucked up, sick son-of-a-bitch and the spawn of evil with that twisted brain of yours. I sincerely hope you never reproduced because your DNA needs to go when you do.
A needle to the chest? A rectal tube up the ass? Very, very dark and perverted thinking just because someone has a differing opinion. Your name is a perfect fit for you.
@ugly ain’t cute: your name is “ugly ain’t cute”. By your own definition, you must be FAR from cute. Your words are beyond ugly…
…Oh, I mean the words you use that are actually real words. “Irregardless” is so obviously not word.
We don’t either. Until a KNOWN family member comes forward to attest to that IS Mike Brown, we ain’t buying it! They’ve been shooting down young black males for eons, and somehow blaming it on the deceased. Undermining the intelligence of the watching [in terror] public for too long!
And yes, Phaedra is disgusting for even showing up there uninvited. Approaching those people in their most vulnerable state. What? She wanna get first dibs on the law suit, offering them services pro bono? Shark! Did you read Stanton’s book yet? If so, recall the part where she went to Stanton’s mother’s funeral and stood in Stanton’s place–yet wouldn’t help her with the court matters? Again, disgusting. We think she gets some sort of perverse pleasure by grief, no, not her own, but others!
Brown family, if you’re reading this, BEWARE! She could be aspiring to be the female version of Al Sharpton; yet, holding a lot less truly good intentions than he did. Tell us, did she come to your doorstep “empty-handed?” I true southern belle would KNOW not to do that. Ugh…
Just read some more of y’all comments… even if it was really Brown. If you went to the Academy, you’ll know that an officer is to shoot to halt, not kill. Shooting ALL THEM TIMES CENTER MASS like that? Overkill. Zealot! The Academy doesn’t teach to do that. Or…do they? Depends on which one you go to. Cause in the book “Breaking Rank” a retired sgt spills all the beans about the academy he attended, an all caucasian student-body, and all that was taught there–compelling read.
In sort, petit larceny does NOT warrant 9 shots, no where on the body, no where in the world! That was the trigger-happy, can’t wait to bust my gun, zealot’s desire. T.T. see some of those Dick Gregory videos, he’ll tell you.
Cops are taught if they have to pull their gun they shoot to kill.
I can’t believe you are still arguing that it was not Brown in the robbery. WHEN HIS FAMILY AND THE DORIAN KID ALL AGREE IT HAPPENED.
And don’t even start with the judge jury and executioner shit. The cop is out there to maintain public safety.
Kids were playing in traffic. A scuffle occurred while cop was in car and two kids were blocking the door…
If a cop tells you to do something you do it. regardless of color, sex, national origin or religion. If you instead decide to get into a physical altercation with a cop in a car, you get what you get.
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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THE BROWN FAMILY MEMBERS AND ATTORNEYS HAVE ALL AGREED TO THE OBVIOUS THAT HE ROBBED THE QT TEN MINUTES EARLIER.
I can’t debate facts with you Hera if you don’t keep up with the latest developments!
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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@Hera: by “we”, who do you mean? (“We ain’t buying it!”)
They do a campaign against the police as a racist murder and they truth about their son is a smear against his character? I also saw the twits you spoke of and didn’t realize they have been removed.
Blessed are the meek updated. And the meek still inherit the earth, with all the respect IN the earth as well.
How would the police officer know he is à fleeing felon ? Stealing cigars is considered a felony ? I did not know he was a felon ,
Sloppy, sloppy police work FPD incompetence added to the strife and confusion in Ferguson .
I also didnt know u could be a felon without being convicted of a felony. Yahoo is reporting that the shooter didnt even know Michael Brown was a robbery suspect when he rolled up on him and his friend and eventually murdered him.
The raised hands tho… and the number of shots fired. How can anybody fix their lips to imply Michael Brown was in the wrong when he got killed? What happened with that first shot in or near the police car is debatable, but the rest of the three independent witnesses’ stories pretty much tells us all what we need to know.
Deborah, anything stolen [allegedly] under a thousand dollars is petty/petit larceny, a misdemeanor, not grand larceny, a felony. And how would the shooting cop KNOW he was a “felon”, [past tense] before collecting ID and running it through the system. Like a robot, he blacked out. Now he’s clear again [if a zealot can ever get clear, mentally], with his 48 hours to concoct “his side” of the murderous tale, he blames the decedent. “This” has been going on since just a day after slavery was abolished. Michael Moore said it in his film “they fear the black male.” Just the sight of one puts them on guard. It’s sickening!
They much rather warehoused them in their prisons, so killing one might make some of them happy, yet, it’s likely to bother some of them, too–the ones at the top level. It’s all a crying-hard-shame! When will the madness end???
Ah. “Michael Moore” one of the biggest morons on the planet. I can’t even debate you anymore.
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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When you shoplift it is shop lifting. When you shoplift and SHOVE the shopkeeper into a rack of potato chips it is a “strong armed robbery” which is a felony.
As for how the officer would know there was a 911 call from the shop keeper and it went out over the police radio with still photos.
This is why I said at the time of the first press conference when the Chief said that he was initially stopped for walking down the street. I argued with those of you said that the chief said he didn’t know about the robbery. He said that is not why he stopped them. But then the reports came out.
Also MIKE knew he had just robbed a store and was in a tussle with the cop. Mike would most likely think he was being stopped over the robbery and not playing in traffic.
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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And in that order! Theres a lot that can be said but many don’t want to voice it for fear of being labeled racist.
Bravo!
Speechless.
And the video. WoW.
I’m just going to add this because it the facts. The officer that shot this young man WAS NOT responding to the ROBBERY at the liquor store. He stop him because he was WALKING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.
Y’all are so full of misinformation… ROBBERY AT A LIQUOR STORE? Did you even read the post?
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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TT that was from kpcc radio and i live in Santa Monica California at present.
We know Phaedra is not soliciting her legal skills, but is now able to parlay it over into victim advocacy with her training in ambulance chasing to the morgue. I have to hand it to her though… she finds the right words to shore up a situation, especially as a mother of AA sons. Its a fear that undermines your ability to feel safe that your child will enjoy the protection of society.
SaraSally, you caught that too–how Parks sweetly imported in there how “her life” is “different” than Brown’s family. Patronizing…UGH!!! I hope SOMEONE in his family isn’t grieving so hard that they can’t see pass her makeup and falsehoods! None of them read T.T.’s blogs?
A true stately woman doesn’t have to remind you that she is, or how “different” you are from she. If it’s so, it’ll be EVIDENT. e.G.: could you imagine Michelle Obama writing anything with such a preface? But that “southern belle” did! Don’t dance to the off-kilter ringing of that bell e, y’all.
“could you imagine Michelle Obama writing anything with such a preface?”
oooooh no, let’s Not go “there”. Now, why in the world, would one want to drag, Her Royal Highness into this?
Ms Thunder Thighs, has lots of better things to do with her Almighty time. She might be planning her next Hawaiian vacation, on my tax dollars, or she might be discussing her designer potato sack clothing line, or growing some beets in her vegetable garden. So, she ain’t got no time for this.
And btw…..ain’t nobody come for me, Unless, I send for you, ok!!
Oh I think you sent for all of us. Michelle doesn’t half one tenth of the condescension Phaedra does. You missed the point entirely.
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Jovial, Ms. Thunder Thighs, really? You make me sad.
Valerie,
(before I begin, I hope today is a better day for you, and the cloud of depression is not as thick and gloomy as most days. Sincerely, me)
Since you mentioned my “call sign”, I guess I will respond. I was hesitant as 2 whether I ought 2 respond, but here I go….
Yes, I referred 2 Michelle Obama, as Ms. Thunder Thighs. Guess that phrase for her, got coined amongst radio talk show hosts few years ago.
Since most of us were hurling insults and calling each other names, like in the War of Roses….Moron, ScumBag, Idiot, Cuntress, the N word, Cracker, Cunt, CuntSatchel , so I thought I would pick few dinner plates myself and hurl some….but I didn’t.
BUt, when the previous commenter, mentioned Michelle Obama, while talking abt Phaedra, I guess, I lost all self control….
M.Obama, must be one of my strongest Trigger Points. I am sure we all have trigger points. Michael Moore, GW Bush, Sarah Palin, Medicare, etc etc
I can launch myself into a verbal diarrhea as to the reasons why I Don’t seem to have the slightest ounce of respect for that woman….but I won’t.
If I have upset you, I apologize.
My point in my initial comment, To the previous commenter…
1.why when we are all talking abt Phaedra, why must we drag MObama here??? We are talking raccoons here, so please don’t drag kangaroos. Into the Pot, for no reason.
I just can’t stand it, Anymore, when the Obamas get Inserted into everyday daily simple conversations as the measuring rule or measuring standard for Everything, senseless and idiotic.
“Carol, I made some carrot cake today.” “Oh you did? Do you know, Michelle Obama made some too, today.”
:-/ 🙁
And to TT, yes, I do know the point/points we are discussing. What makes you think I am missing the point? How do you know, I am missing the point?
Granted, TT, most of the times, on your blog, my comments, are usually, silly, off-tangent, off-point, nonsensical ones. This time around, I just got side tracked and lost my focus on some shiny object, which was, M.Obama.
It won’t happen again.
Did you just call Phaedra a coon??
TeeCee, my animal vocab is limited. Since I am loner, that makes it worse. Meaning I don’t know the vernacular.
Pray tell me, whAt hot soup did I fall into, again???
Gawd, is this night ever going to end??? I wish I never got up this morning…
I just looked up the word “coon” gadzooks. 🙁
Well I didn’t use the word coon. I used raccoons. Teecee, stop trying to get me into trouble, along with you.
None. It was all me. No worries.
No worries Juvial. I’m sure the two of us are on the same page in many instances. We both think we should all be able to get along. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.
I am amazed at people’s inability to any to hear, understand, and interpret FACTS tonight. So, no one can say the Officer acted properly, but OBVIOUSLY one can state with complete legitimacy that the Officer’s actions were race-related? Huh?
TT commenters on average usually show a higher level of analysis and comprehension before reaching a conclusion, rather than jumping to one (seemingly completely unaware of facts in so many cases!)
You don’t have to agree with me, but at least don’t come here, ignore the info TT has researched and provided, then make a completely uninformed comment!
Just my request.
I can’t do this anymore. I already have friends on facebook who are claiming the cops fabricated the video from the store.
I give up. I’m going to have a drink (or 3) and go to Narnia.
Sign me up, but I’m going to the Shire.
I think I’ll take a little trip to the liquor store. All I have here is beer.
I have some Pimms °1 and some Jamisons
i got a bottle of rum waiting at home
Steve, I’ll be right over. 🙂
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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thats because i posted that on the other phaedra thread from yesterday, i meant it as a sarcastic joke but within 1 hr i heard it repeated elsewhere..sorry folks. i have a question–:if young black men feel they wear a target, why do they do things that draw attn to that target?
The quick trip that they burned down wasn’t the one that was robbed. And whoa, that video is incendiary. Too bad he’ll be written off as an Uncle Tom a la Bill Cosby, who said pretty much the same thing.
Sure is quiet on twitter today. All those people who yesterday were lynching that cop are suddenly today wanting more proof about the video. Cause you know, “we should wait for all the facts” now. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad.
This incident highlights the need for wearable cameras of some sort on every police officer in the U.S. I know there is a city in CA I recently read about that already has this and it has made a dramatic difference. When you know you are being watched you act differently.
I am not saying this officer in this case was right or wrong but the cameras would help prevent police brutality in general.
The cameras cost money. And police budgets everywhere are very slim.
they say tbe cameras are expensive, how could that expense be more than what this shooting is costing.
This investigation is costing the taxpayers. The police have a BUDGET. I am not sure but I think this small town PD didn’t even have tasers. And that is part of the problem.
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Actually, this highlights “comply with the police”. Why the fuck are you trying to make cameras and having to deal with thugs’ lying in the cops the issue? I hope this is a lesson to everyone.
I live just out of STL and have family in the STL area. My nieces place of work was looted. It’s a very scary place right now and I’m terrified for my family.
STL has a history of police violence against blacks and all that’s been going on the last few days has been a long time coming. I hate the looting and violence, it does nobody any good, and I dont want anyone hurt but when a vast majority is opressed, bad things happen.
Ron Johnson is doing an incredible job. The fact that he is out amongst the people in the community instead of hiding behind shields and armored vehicles just highlights one of the many wrongs of the county police.
I hope more people will watch Reverend Gentrys video and help bring about the change that’s been needed for so long.
Stepping off my soapbox…for now.
The only reason Ron Johnson was put out there is simply because he is black. If you were a white police officer and you were in the middle of a NON-PEACEFUL demonstration (who are mostly black) wouldn’t you be hiding behind a shield or car too? I know I would be. You are right about the robbing and looting and destroying property doesn’t do anyone any good, but yet the NON-PEACEFUL demonstrators are still doing it. There were 7 businesses that are owned by white people that haven’t opened their businesses out of fear of retaliation, but still all 7 businesses were broke into and robbed. This whole situation is very sad, but for most of the people out there protesting, it has nothing to do with the man that was killed. Those people who are robbing, looting, etc. could care less about who was killed, all they want is what they can steal.
I’m also in Missouri, just down the highway from there, so this is local news here. All the newscasters are asking for prayers of safety as they go to do their stories for the news. My thoughts are with Ur family, hope everyone stays safe while all this is happening.
There was just a cop that shot a mentally handicapped man in his back where I’m at, just days before they shot another mentally handicapped woman, killing her. Missouri police are running rampant with excessive force, and while not all the police in Missouri are bad, these cases sure give them a bad name.
The Ferguson Police Chief is giving a press conference now. He seems SUPER stressed. He says they have given out all the information that they have now. They are not pressing charges against the Dorian kid.
What I want to know is why are they not releasing the autopsy. Or the use of force report.
The FPC says the original stop was for walking down the street impeding traffic. It is unclear if or when that officer knew that the two were suspects in a strong armed robbery. That statement could be problematic for the cop if true.
The cigars were found with the suspect.
WHile this interview was going on, I looked into “sock gate” and the socks are very identifiable and the same in both the surveillance video and the grumesome death photos on twitter.
The Ferguson Chief should shut up. His department was taken off the investigation. He has no business giving interviews. The police officer is devastated.
Tamara – I thought the chief said the officer had no knowledge of the suspect in the robbery and stopped the two on an unrelated matter.
less than ten minutes later – brown was shot dead with no contraband on his person or any weapons.
This is what I don’t understand and maybe someone can answer for me:
Why release the video if the officer didn’t know he was stopping a suspect in a robbery?
Since when is murder prior to getting one’s day in court justified especially if the suspect is unarmed?
I don’t know anything about the tape but it’s incredibly disturbing to me that we are starting to tolerate the police revoking people’s right to due process. For whatever it’s worth, the dead kid is a suspect in jaywalking(?), and robbery who is innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the law.
reaerched and have my answer re: ehy release tape – FOIA requests. I’m sure we’ll know who requested them shortly.
Rest of point still stands: why make the press conference about the stolen cigars if the officer who shot the unarmed Brown DID NOT KNOW about the incident?
My aunt is a prosecutor. She would have a field day with during cross examination even if the defense managed to get this tape into evidence. She said the victims prior alleged acts are only relevent if the officer had knowledge before the shooting. If not, the tape will get tossed as being too prejudicial to the jury.
But FPD knew that I bet and are really more interested in changing the court of public opinion from which a supposed untainted jury will have to be chosen. If this goes to trial – so much information still missing.
Finally – is it true that this is the first murder in Ferguson in 2014? Despite the current upheaval, I’d move there in a jivey if so.
You’ve omitted a very important part of the timeline. While the cop stopped the 2 who just robbed a store did not know they did it, THEY did know that. So what happened in that exchange when 2 men who robbed a store were stopped by a cop? That’s the unknown. I’m not saying that the cop was RIGHT for killing anyone but what I am saying is that those who did the crime didn’t know what the cop knew or didn’t know. To me, that’s a very important piece of this timeline. It’s not like a law abiding man who was minding his own business was shot down which was the original report.
Agreed Slopballs. That said the undead kid refused to steal any cigars and got out of the store when Big Mike started assaulting the shop keeper. The video shows Mike handing him some smokes and the kid putting them back on the counter. That is way the not dead kid will not be facing any charges.
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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The chief said the cigars were found with Brown.
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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“So what happened in that exchange when 2 men who robbed a store were stopped by a cop? That’s the unknown.”
Agree – and should’ve included that. Guess we’re still playing the waiting game – back to my book.
“It’s not like a law abiding man who was minding his own business was shot down which was the original report.”
I’m not sure what you mean here – as the first I’d heard of this was a jaywalking stop turned deadly incident.
Also – regardless of video – cops nor online commentators are judge/hury/executioner in our country. Mike Brown deserved his day in court for allegedly robbing a quiki mart, period. That videotape alone is not conclusive evidence to justify his death, or anyone’s death. Only the proper record of the encounter will give us answers.
IT WAS NOT JAYWALKING. It was two fools walking down the middle of the street to get to their destination.
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I agree we need to have a full accounting of what happened. In one version Brown went for the cops gun. In another version there was a wrestling match between Brown (outside the car) and the officer inside the car.
We know that the officier tried to open his car and was unable to get out of hid vehicle. Whether you believe the boy blocked his exit, or that the officier roughly opened the door into them either way, the boys were right up on the drivers door.
Why?
We do know that they were asked to get the fuck out of the street and they said nah man, we are almost where we are going, so chill.
We need more information, but I am waiting to hear the cops version rather than the version of the guy who didn’t die 10 minutes after hanging out with the dead guy who committed a felony. I would guess the two guys assumed the cops were there because of the strong armed robbery one of them just committed rather than walking down the middle of the road.
We shall see
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Dont be surprised if they railroad the police officer to appease the mob…
TT, You are right. He was super stressed, he could barely keep it together. When he said no questions at the end, they guy behind him whisked him off immediately. AND, ITA… he needs to STFU STAT!
The parents of Mike Brown are devastated their child is dead instead of facing charges for cigar theft .Mike is appears to be a petty thief as well a foolish for not ridding himself of contraband before police approached him . Fox news is not a credible source of news and information .Fox News engage in divisive rhetoric race-baiting and character assassinations . Al Sharp ton does not need their permission to consult with the Brown family .The Browns asked for his assistance . When the second autopsy is completed the NAN will conduct the funeral. This has been a sad week for everyone I believe . I look forward to your recaps.
Fox News is no more or less credible than the rest of them. Right now Don Lemon is crapping his pants on CNN Live. All of our media sucks unfortunately. I watch everything from PMSNBC with that horrid little weasel they love so much because he might be Sinatra’s kid to AL Jazeera. Al Jazeera is no longer an option for me now that I am on Charter, but it was the version that Al Jazeera AMERICA version which Is regulated by our government.
THAT IDIOT POLICE CHIEF IS NOW TALKING TO DON LEMON AGAIN. The Police Chief is now saying that the cop probably heard the story on the radio after he began talking to the boys he was trying to get out of the street.
SOMEONE NEEDS TO TRANQUILIZE THIS POLICE CHIEF. He needs to be fired. Or at least sent off to the Bahamas for a couple of weeks. He is beyond stressed and the more he talks… the more incompetent he looks.
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I have to believe he will be fired.
Please stick to reality TV blogging. You don’t know what the hell your talking about. The pictures of Mick lying face down with bullets in his back dead on the street with the officer standing over him calmly, shows he has on athletic shoes, the surveillance camera footage shows sandals. Please, please stick to reality TV blogging.
Army Wife, you are mistaken about the shoes. Look carefully at the still photos on Tamra’s post. He is wearing sandals. In the photos you can see the straps of the sandals and in another you can see a space between his foot and the sole of the sandal as he is exiting the store.
Please stick to shutting the fuck up. Jesus Christ. No one is denying that he robbed the man and chocked him except a few idiots here. The family’s attorney had admitted that it was him.
Why would you come here and try to tell TT what she can and can’t write about? Do you think she will read your words and say, “oh. Ok. Some POS who doesn’t even have her own identity but instead chooses to be identified by her spouse’s occupation just told me what I should do. I’ll just hop to it right now!!” No. You don’t think about the consequences of your actions. Just like these thugs.
Really, it’s a free internet. You are not required to read everything on it or even everything here. You can read housewife stuff but stay out of other topics. See how easy that is?
Tamara has the brains and talent to blog about way more than reality tv. She is not a fan of propaganda, but there are other blogs you can visit in order to hear only your side of the story. Tons of them.
Army wife, I’m not trying to tell you what to do but if you don’t care for a particular thread just go to one you’re interested in. There’s no way that everyone is going to agree on everything, but you can easily leave the thread and find common ground elsewhere. Just my little ol’ opinion.
@army wife: please stick to non-reality TV blog commenting. YOU’RE TELLING TT WHAT TO WRITE ABOUT ON HER OWN BLOG???
Three eye witness from three different places gave bascially the same version of what happened. One lady witnessed from her balcony, another lady was in her car and there was Michael’s partner who was right there.
What people are upset about is the timing of this video release. And the Chief of Police refusal to release any information about this murder until this morning along with the release of the video. He admitted that Officer Wison knew nothing about the robbery. Officer Wilson was out of order and this rougue handling of African American people by police departments across this Nation must come to an end! Period!
He was gay?
And why do you only care about rogue handling of black people? There are tons of examples or rogue handling of Hispanic, Asian, middle eastern and white people. The other races just don’t burn down a city when it happens. Are you saying black people are more important than any other race? Because it does seem as though a whole lot of people think that. You’re not alone. But you are dead wrong.
Teecee you are absolutely correct. If interested google “longview tx shooting” and in the news portion there will be stories of a young white man that got shot by a black police officer last week. It hasn’t made it out of local news. People are say what happened to him was “justice” while what happened to Mike Brown was an “injustice.”
The police definitely do a lot of racial profiling here in the midwest. I worked with a young black man who was stopped in the employee parking lot on average of twice a week. Cops wanting to know why he was there. (We worked 3rd shift) It was ridiculous.
In many ways, living here (Kansas/Missouri) is a lot like living in the 1950s/1960s. Not everyone is racist, but a lot of people are. Many are very vocal about who they hate. And it’s not just blacks who are targeted. Hispanics, gays….lots of hate out there.
The last time I checked shoplifting cigars and socks, while not admirable, is not a crime punishable by execution. An unarmed suspect should not be shot dead in the street – period. Especially since Mike Brown held up his hands after the 1st shot was fired per multiple eyewitness accounts.
Absolutely correct, thanks Harlyn.
Actually that is not totally correct. Allegedly the first shot was fired in the squad car as Brown was assulting the officer and going for his weapon. Huge, huge miscalculation on Brown’s part. Assult on an officer is bad enough but to make an effort to steal his weapon is generally met with death. What do you think Brown would have done with that weapon if the officer had not been able to overpower Brown? My guess is there would be a funeral for a Saint Louis policeman killed in the line of duty and his weapon would be on the streets with the serial numbered destroyed.
5 will get you 10 that the next time, and there will be a next time, Brown’s friend is told by an officer of the law to get out of the middle of the street (or whatever), that friend will move his ass at the speed of light.
I have not read those accounts. I have seen lots of people holding signs with hands on them that say don’t shoot me, I have yet to read an eye witness account. If you have some please send me an email with the links.
The evidence shots that after the first shot was fired during a stuggle with the officer in the patrol car that Brown took off running and was shot as he fled.
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I just wish we had one reliable account of what happened. I don’t believe for one second the officer shot this man while he was on his knees with his hands in the air, with witnesses all around!
A couple of the accounts that I read are noted below. They’re pretty accessible via Google search. I’m amazed that you didn’t notice any of these eyewitness accounts as you researched this story. But let’s go with the account you noted above Tamra. Is it ok for a cop to shoot a shoplifting/jaywalking/unarmed suspect when they are running away multiple times? In my book, that cop became judge and jury in that moment and the sentence was death.
“The police say the officer shot Brown after the teen shoved the officer and tried to wrestle the officer’s gun from him. But a number of witnesses, including Johnson, refute those claims. And in the wake of the shooting, the Ferguson Police Department has asked the St. Louis County police to step in and take over the investigation”
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri
“More eyewitnesses have come forward in the shooting of Michael Brown and backed up previous claims that the teenager did nothing wrong in the moments before a police officer killed him.
Tiffany Mitchell, who watched the shooting unfold, told CNN on Wednesday that the police’s version of events – that Brown assaulted the officer and tried to grab his gun – was not true.
Brown did not enter the police vehicle, as authorities have claimed, but there appeared to be a struggle at the window, Ms Mitchell said”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2725057/New-witnesses-claim-Michael-Brown-did-wrong-cop-shooting-Missouri.html#ixzz3AVDZ5jc3
Thanks for the links Harlyn. Unfortunately the first link (and part of the second) is from Darian Johnson who is no longer a credible source since he had just been with Brown during an armed robbery and his story has changed since he got a lawyer. The second story with the female
talking to CNN says it was not an assault it was a struggle at the window where they appeared to be arm wrestling. Which is very similar to the police version of the story.
Again, I am waiting for witness accounts provided to law enforcement who certainly must have taken some at the time of the altercation.
Tamra you mentioned in the reply below that the witness was involved in an “armed robbery”. Actually neither of the suspects had weapons. Perhaps you meant “strong-arm robbery” because the suspect used a degree of force to complete the act.
Yes, let’s all wait on the Police Dept to share the eyewitness accounts because they are so great at policing themselves and PO’s never lie to cover their butts.
If I every said “armed robbery” I mistyped It was a “strong armed” robbery as I have said many times.
A felonious act.
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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MSNBC is doing a fantastic coverage of this event. People all around the country joined in peaceful protest behind Michael Brown’s murder. Chris Hayes, Rev. Al Sharpton of MSNBC are in Missouri right now doing live coverage. Even Rand Paul is calling for the demilitarization of all police departments around this country.
I’ve been watching this coverage for the last 24 hours almost non-stop because more and more people are getting involved. As tragic as this is, this event has the feel of a Rosa Parks bus ride changing history moment.
Michael Brown’s death has created a huge outcry across America.
And to make matters worse the media was gassed and put in jail. So you know this ain’t going away anytime soon.
I wish celebs would just do this because they care for the cause. Chasing photo ops and free publicity is not a sincere gesture.
I can’t believe no one mentioned Phaedra’s comment saying that DESPITE COMING FROM DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS she had a lot in common with the mother. You know, even though she views herself as upper class, she can still find ways to relate to the poor folks.
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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TT, That pissed me off too. Phaedra can be so condescending. How big of her to associate with the “lower people”…. She along with the police captain needs to STFU. I feel so aggravated!
This is probably the least offensive thing I’ve ever heard Phaedra say and I am not a fan of hers AT ALL. If they come from different backgrounds, what’s the crime in noting it. I’m more offended by the current photo ops and constant references to Kenya as Moore Whore.
The media whoring by Phaedra was bad enough but why was it necessary to belittle the family of the dead kid by pointing out she is on another level, yet in her righteous Christian heart, she could find a way to related to poor people? She’s married to a twice convicted felon, how exactly is she from a different background?
You annoy me Harlyn. But not in an irritating way. I enjoy our debates. 🙂
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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TT, I hear you girlfriend. But I have just come out of a deep transformation session. When I read that statement, I thought you were doing one of your entertaining, this is what she meant to say lines. This woman has no moral compass at all. Its whatever she feels workd for Phaedra. I say it kindle for the fire that being lit under her behind for all the wrong she’s done to people.
Ugh. You’re an ass. And you write as if you have a third grade education.
Well, this is unfortunate. Obviously he was incredibly wrong for stealing from the QT, then assaulting the poor manager. (Why would anyone that huge do that, then walk down the street as if you’re big behind is not easily recognizable? Especially knowing those stores have cameras everywhere?! Young and dumb.) That being said, even if everything the officer says in regards to Mike Brown being shot is true, I still have a problem with the fact that he kept shooting after the guy was on his knees/hand up/on the ground. If, of course, all the eyewitness statements are true. I personally feel like cops in general reach for their guns too fast, or when they could be reaching for pepper spray or a taser. I’ve read so many articles of late where cops have shot and killed family pets during false security alarm calls, pepper spray the poor dog. Sheesh. Cops in UK manage to get by with just an baton while our cops walk around with leftover war supplies looking like a military. It’s sad that what could have been a genuine discussion about police brutality in this country will turn into, “he was a thug and deserved it,” due to his admittedly wrong actions. 🙁 Just my two cents.
Very well said.
I don’t think we actually know that he was on his knees with arms up being shot again and again. Sorry – but I don’t find his buddy to be a credible enough witness at this point. And, it would certainly help the cause if these guys would not disregard an officer’s orders, as appears to be the case. Ultimately, I’m reserving judgment on that until more facts come out. Forensics will be able to tell us more.
I agree that eyewitnesses are notoriously incorrect. Even the guy who was with Michael first said he met up with him AFTER Michael went to the convenience store and later admitted to being with him during the robbery at the store. So the main eyewitness has already proven to be a liar. The police officer was taken to the hospital with a swollen face so some sort of altercation happened prior to the shooting. The story being told now doesn’t make sense.
However what redhotmamma said regarding cops reaching for their guns too fast instead of mace or tasers is true. Police brutality is a sad fact of life.
I agree disher… I’d like to see some actual witness statements made to law enforcement. I have yet to see any. That said, I took a few hours break off of this story because it is just so depressing.
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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if you pepper sprayed my dog he just gets madder, ask my mailman who did that THROUGH my secutity screen. i had to put up a different box.
So..he WAS an animal. See. I told you.
This is a sad story and unfortunately we seem to hear of a lot of them from America in Australia. The only two cents I can add though is that comparing police brutality in America to England or Australia is always fraught with issues. Mainly the unhealthy gun culture America fosters that is largely lacking in Australia and England. I’d imagine that possibly American police reach for their weapons ‘too quickly’ may be due to the highly likely chance any ‘suspect’ in America could have either a legal or illegal gun concealed on their person.
This issue may have nothing to do with the case at hand, but as redhotmama compares UK police and their batons to the American police and their weaponry, I personally find this comparison a little unfair.
When America has the same level of gun crime, weapon concealment and illegal fire arms as the UK then maybe their police can rely upon batons only too.
Disclaimer: Again I’m not saying this issue may in any away be associated with the current case, just a comment about comparing apples and oranges.
The PD just released the information that the officer who killed Michael Brown did not know about the robbery report. So this has nothing to do with the shooting or justification for the shooting.
the CHIEF HIMSELF said “the cop who shot the kid DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE ROBBERY”
Again incorrect. The Chief (who is sort of a dipshit) said that the initial stop was about the two teens impeding traffic by walking down the middle of the street. There was a police radio and other equipment in the car where the robbery information was being released. It is unclear when or if he realized that he was dealing with a suspect fleeing the site where he had just committed a felony at some point.
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I stand corrected… However, that’s what MSNBC is reporting.. oh yeah, and there’s a kat named “Bruh. TheePharoah” who LIVE TWEETED the incident that night/Aug. 9th from his apartment located directly in front of the crime scene.. His TL is a must read… lots of pics and info there..
as far as Phaedra….
that shady bish…. I can’t even comment on her ass…
yet..
Okay.
This particular post having to do with Phaeda’s involvement and her comments, I would like to say she is again full of bullshit. She brings up her own son’s into this. If she is truly concerned about their future, their well being, there possibly being police interaction affecting them one day, why did she bring children into the world with at least one felon parent? Why did she start a family with a man she knew to be engaged in criminal activity, past incarcerations, and a poor father figure likely to be an absentee dad due to more jail time she should have anticipated. She was not a wallflower wife blind to reality of her husband’s life choices.
Ditto, Angel. She is looking for a piece of the pie with this incident to parlay it somehow into that fantasy future of hers. I sincerely hope being associated with this tragedy somehow backfires and tarnishes her image because it was all an insincere act.
Very well said, Angel.
Did she cry in sympathy for this family? Has anyone ever seen Phaedra cry about anything?
No. Are you kidding? Phaedra grins at funerals.
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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While we still don’t know how many shots nor if he was truly shot in the back. He robbed a store which is a felony. By evidence of injury and officer and witness accounts he fought a law enforcement officer which is also a felony. Law enforcement can use deadly force to stop a forceable felony such as robbery, assault on a officer, etc. Was also shown today on a news outlet that he had been arrested with robbery and aggravated assault back in Nov. 2013. Seeing him assaulting the employee at quik trip clearly shows he was not afraid to attack others. The fact that the officer has went 6 years in Ferguson without any action shows that he isn’t some rogue make my own law type of officer. If he had ever crossed a line, especially if he was white and any of his complaints were from a different race, you could bet your ass they would have filed a complaint.
“Was also shown today on a news outlet that he had been arrested with robbery and aggravated assault back in Nov. 2013.”
Searched the case.net site for Missouri and found the record 13SL-CR12675-01 – ST V MICHAEL R BROWN, from which these charges originated. You can readily find this too, by searching for case number 13SL-CR12675-01. Note that the defendant in this case lives in Troy, MO, which is 47 miles from Ferguson, MO, according to Google Maps. Also note that the defendant was born in 1997, which would make him 17, rather than 18.
The police chief also stated at a press conference earlier this week that the deceased had no criminal record (felony or misdemeanor) at the time of his death.
I have no idea what happened at the time of the shooting, but let’s ALL STOP presenting false information until we get the final reports.
I will update my earlier post to add that after the today’s press conference where the chief said the officer did not know about the robbery, now it’s being said the officer saw cigars in his hand.
At this point – I’m out. Too much contradicting info being given out in a matter of hours. I’ll read a good book until the final report comes out and everyone’s had their say, including ANON.
Yuck re: Phaedra – I still hate her slimey guts.
Praying for all involved. I do feel some policeofficer pull their weapons to quickly. My son was stopped for playing loud music and waving his hands in the air while driving to work, he was pulled over and when the officer approached the car he had his gun drawn and pointing it at my son because he was moving his hands around and driving with loud music playing. Thank God he didn’t shot him!
Why the fuck would someone be waving their hands in the air while driving?
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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and then wonder why he got pulled over. why did the cop have his gun drawn at that traffic stop..because you kid looked like he was crazy waving arms while driving
And there you have your promising young man. What did Rev Al call him? A “gentle giant”. Uh huh.
Lol. I hope the cop gets a medal. I’m sure that little guy being choked in the photo appreciates knowing that the gentle giant won’t be trying to kill him again.
And yeah. The police chief looks stressed. You’d be too if you had a bounty out in your head and your family was threatened.
So very very sick of no one speaking the truth because the truth has been deemed not politely correct. Now the country is MORE scared of violence since he’s a proven thug then we were when he was an angel. I sincerely hope everyone in photos looting and violently protesting and defying police orders to get out if the street is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. A message needs to be sent.
And oh yeah. I told you so.
wow… so a white guy shoots up a movie theater killing multiple innocent bystanders, but police didn’t KILL him.. but an UNARMED 17yr old black kid steal some blunts and push a clerk, then the cop is upgraded from police officer to judge, jury, and executioner AND deserves a medal? Got it! No wonder black folk TRUST the police and feel soooooo safe here in AMERIKKKA…
Uhhhhh…..wha? Do you want to go tit for tat for dead bodies? I do not think you do. Statistics will show some things I don’t think you want to be discussed. So, now you make up some excuse about why the murderous thug who tried to rough up a cop and take his gun to kill HIM was driven to be a thug because the gobernment didn’t give his single mother enough money to raise him up right! That about it?
Kids need parents who can teach them right from wrong and who have enough money to raise them and spend time as a family. If this is not possible CLOSE YOUR FUCKING LEGS. We are not animals who can’t contol our sexual urges. Or are we? We are not too dumb to use birth control. Or are we? If all else fails, we are capable of getting to an abortion clinic.
And guess what. Nothing I’m saying has a fucking thing to do with color. And color and neither an excuse for condemnation, nor a free pass for bad behaviour.
No one has said the cop deserves a medal.
No one has said a kid deserved to die for stealing cigars and shoving an old man.
What most SANE people are saying is we need to know the facts. And right now we have very few.
Fact: Mike and Dorian went to OT where Mike committed the Felony of Strong Armed Robbery.
Fact: OT owner calls 911 gives descriptions and pictures.
Fact: Cop tells two fools to quit walking down the middle of the street.
Fact: Idiots tell cops they will get over soon they are almost there.
Fact: Cop again orders them out of the street.
Fact: Two idiots blockade cop into his car.
FACT: a struggle ensues between Mike and cop.
Then what? That is where the facts get muddy.
FACT: This Captain Johnson of the Missouri Highway Patrol is the hero who deserves a medal, a raise, and so much more. Captian Johnson is the hero here.
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I said the cop deserved a medal and the kid deserved to die.
🙂 🙂 🙂
Really teecee. These were cigars and he did not kill anyone but he deserved to die you need medication.
You need grammar lessons. To go with your medical degree. You do have a medical degree, right?
Bravo, I honestly don’t believe you have paid enough attn. to the situation to comment at all.
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 9:02 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Fuck TeeCee and everything about her miserable ass. She’s a nasty and vile woman who lives vicariously through Tamara. You have something negative to say about every single black person mentioned on this site. And to top it off, you act like Tamara needs you to be her guard dog, by attacking and disrespecting anyone who has an opinion different than yours.
Lol. Really? You’ve kept a scorecard? It’s well known that I hate practically everyone. So, I have also said things about all the Hispanics, whites, Asians and middle easterners as well. But..for some reason…you didn’t notice that. Huh. Curious as to why.
See, Teecee, you need to head to detention class, too. That’s where I am at. You, for not paying attention. Me, for missing the point.
You shure is a naughty naughty girl. 😉
Check your grammar bitch. And yes!
You don’t know what I know. I don’t feel the need to respond to every racist comment made on this page. So now you adding mind reader to the list of your illustrious talents?
Check what now, cunt? Lol. Some people just dibt know how to act when they are wrong. Heh.
Whether or not the cop who shot Brown knew about the robbery is not the issue. The issues now are character and credibility.
Character: Would the type of person who robs a store and assaults its manager, also be the type of person to, minutes later, assault a police officer and resist arrest? Perhaps. I don’t know. I DO know however, that Brown is not the innocent angel that he has heretofore been made out to be.
Credibility: we now know that Johnson has none. Zero. Since he’s been proven to be a liar, his “eyewitness account” can not be believed.
So with this video coming to light, is the police officer’s version of events still so unbelievable?
The police officer’s statement HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED. Any eyewitness reports given to LAW ENFORCEMENT HAVE NOT BEEN RELEASED.
That is the problem.
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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While I believe that is Brown in the video, the police are now claiming his shooter was unaware of the robbery. Nobody should lose their life for being a suspected jaywalker.
Yawn. The “gentle giant”, as he has been referred to, wasn’t jay walking. He was walking in the middle of the street, a danger to himself and drivers. After assulting the officer in his vehicle, Brown lost his life because a policeman did his duty and followed his training when a person tries to commandeer his weapon. The second man is fortunate he took cover or his life may have been lost as well.
This is not an IQ test. Don’t mess with an officer’s weapon. In fact, don’t mess with them…period. When approached by an officer of the law, do as you are instructed in a polite and orderly manner. This is common sense.
If Brown had been successful in removing the gun from the officer’s possession, what do you think that gun would have been used for? A hopscotch marker? Tiddley winks? Armed robbery, maybe? How about the killing of an officer?
From what I have witnessed there is little respect for the police force of Ferguson, Missouri, or its merchants.
Sorry Dracla, but right now the gun grabbing scenario just isn’t credible, especially if it’s coming from the police.
Sydney-Dorian stated that when the officer was unable to open his car door because he had driven so close to them (they happened to be RIGHT NEXT TO THE DOOR blocking the officer’s exit), the officer reached out his window and grabbed Brown around the neck (with his 9 foot arm that had the strength of the Hulk to pull a 6’3″, 300lb man through the car window while in a sitting position behind the wheel of the car), pulled Brown through the car window and a scuffle started that involved the officer’s weapon. The weapon discharged in the squad car. A shell casing was found inside the vehicle (the shell casing was confirmed by the police).
I believe that story about as much as I believe in the tooth fairy. I know what I suspect happened but it would be conjecture on my part and my thoughts favor the officer who I suspect was in a fight for his life! God bless him and heal him. He did his job and did it well.
By the way, through all the versions of Dorian’s recollection of what happened, never did he ever say, “well Big Mike and I were just heading home after Big Mike stealing some cigars and roughing up the cashier.” Not once. Why is that?
I have a dumb question. Why were they walking in the middle of the street? Is that the “cool” thing to do. Shit, I just felt like I was 90 just asking that question.
Because they had no regard for the law, had just committed a felony to procure drug paraphernalia and were on their way to get even higher. ALLEGEDLY.
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You have to admit, it is dumb as hell to steal something, assault someone, and then calmly walk down the street as if nothing happened. In the middle if the road, no less, as if that’s not going to draw attention. He knew he was about to get busted for that robbery, and who knows what he did at that point. It’s sad to lose your life over a pack of blunts, and trying to be a badass. It’s so hard to get kids that age to understand how life changing one stupid choice you make can be. I only have daughters, but I have nephews his age, and I know how they like to appear so “bad” around each other and not appear soft. I bet if either boy had been alone, they would have two-stepped over to the sidewalk. I’m waiting to hear the autopsy report with number of bullets, which direction/height they came from, etc.
It’s not a dumb question, Josie.
I live in Kansas City, it seems like more and more there is ALWAYS some idiot in the street, instead of on the sidewalk. The sidewalks in my area are really nice, too. Maybe because they are rarely used?
I’m wondering if walking in the middle of the street is a new midwestern trend? These people are not jaywalking. They are literally in the middle of the driving lane, walking. And usually with their backs to oncoming traffic.
They also get really angry if you honk your horn at them. They will actually slow down. They have this attitude like they have every right to be there.
Thanks, TT and Cat. I had wondered if that was some midwestern thing. Cat, that bug the crap out of me too.
In my mind, I see it going down like this. Cop says get out of the street. Smart ass reply. Tries to get out of the car. Blocked. Grabs him by the shirt. They tussle. The cop thinks he is going for his gun. Hears about the robbery over the speaker thinks he has a gun and is going for his gun. Wrestling. Gun goes off. Kid runs. Cop shoots. Kids turns to say he is not armed. Cop hopped up on adrenaline thinks kid is armed and due to movement pumps more bullets into him. This whole altercation probably took 3 minutes. Dorian Johnson knows he is unarmed and looking on in horror. So sad.
LADIES AND GENTLEMAN THE CIRCUS IS COMPLETE. The REV RUND Jessie JACK SUN has arrived to fix all the problems. I feel better. Don’t you?
Did he bring his drug addict embezzling son or some of his illicit emit children with him? Sad that so many morally bankrupt men are role models for the black community.
Tamara, can I also mention Al Sharpton? Why must they exploit these awful situations every single time? I get that Phaedra’s there, she’s doing exactly what I expect her to do. But these two men are worse than Phaedra IMO. Exploitation is all they do. I’m a bleeding heart liberal, but I just cannot with these two.
Illegitimate. Not illicit emit. Stupid autocorrect
If the guy in the video is Michael Brown, he was a bully. He didn’t deserve to die, but he soooo put himself in harm’s way by being a thug. Shame on him! did his mother know he was a bully? Probably so; you can’t hide mean behavior for long.
THE FUCKING FAMILY HAS ADMITTED THAT WAS MIKE SHOVING THE OLD MAN DURING A STRONG ARMED ROBBERY. Dorian Johnson’s ATTY JUST SAID he was there and will not be giving any more TV interviews. ( It seems to me, Dorian was a follower who put smokes back on the counter and said he was not stealing anything.)
Do you think the guy in the video was Mike? I wonder what his family has to say about it. We’ll just never know I guess. (Ain’t I a stinker?)
Although, we come from different places & backgrounds..
Really Phaedra? Is this necessary?
Are you trying to say something?!
Yeah Phaedra, different backgrounds such as you living a double life portraying yourself as a Southern Belle while “allegedly” running criminal enterprises.
Hera,
You seem be the thought police here.
Did you not here Dorian say that the cop should not have known they were apart of the robbery?
I’m out.
I see ya’ll got it handled.
Thank you Tamara for reporting all sides in the Ferguson case and not the one a certain group of people with financial motives wants you to believe. No, I am NOT speaking of the Family having financial motives. I actually feel bad for any parent who loses a child.
Where the hell is that like able TeeCee at? Shout out.
Even if the cop didn’t hear the robbery on the radio as he was being assaulted he still had the right to use deadly force against someone assaulting him. Why does everybody forget about that part and focus only on the “jaywalking”? I think everybody agrees that deadly force is not appropriate for jaywalking. The question is if it’s appropriate for assault on a police officer.
Here’s my recommendation to people not wanting to get shot and killed by cops: 1. Dont rob a store/house/car/people 2. if you disregard #1 and a cop tells you to do something, do it. 3. if you disregard #1 & 2 and mouth off because you’re “thug for life”, RIP.
I wonder in Jim Marchese could clean Phaedras whale sized cunt satchel?
If you have just committed a drug related felony, and a cop tells you to stop walking through traffic, take your thug ass to the sidewalk. I think the dead kid would give that advice if he was still breathing.
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As the facts come out, it is starting to make more sense. The cops couldnt have just walked away and let them continue to walk in the middle of the street. Like Cat said someone could have swerved to avoid them and gotten killed or accidentally run them over. It also makes sense why they wouldnt have just complied.
Rev Gentry is hilarious in the way he gets his points across and spot on. Pretty brave to say that in “mixed company”. I loved how he pointed out where were the race hustlers when there were 47 drive by shooting in one weekend. If he is wondering about Rev Al…probably shaking down a company not to boycott. Lol! I will say the Rev has mellowed and I sometimes think he means well but overall he is still a jackass.
I grew up in a very large family with 5 brothers and wonderful parents who taught us right from wrong- would never uphold any BS at home or in the street. They didn’t have to worry about the police – they didn’t want to have to face my parents Lol.
That said, My brothers are very respectful, college grads, one a minister. All were married and had children very early- by 23 years old. They all have respectful careers, love their children and would never have done something as irresponsible as walk in the middle of the street – yet some of them have had their own unfortunate encounters with police.
Driving while Black is not a myth. Walking in the “wrong” neighborhood while Black is not a myth.
It is not enough to say do what the police say and you won’t get shot.
I will never defend people who break and continue to break the law.
But, I believe anger is legitimate when you continue to have rogue cops who so easily kill unarmed blacks – (even those with prior convictions) without impunity. Having prior convictions doesn’t wipe away your right to live when stopped by the police.
If a police officer was fighting a man for his life and shot said man while doing so that is one thing. But, if he shot a man in the back as he was fleeing- or with his hands in the air- yes even a man with a prior record walking in the middle of the street – then that is just as wrong and he should pay for that.
It’s been a week now.
If it was so cut and dry from the police departments perspective, why is there still no statement? That is a problem for me. Are they trying to cobble together a believable story?
I bet when the autopsy comes back, the kid was hopped on something like PCP or meth. It would fit with his agressive behavior and what he stole.
I am interested in the toxicology report. The “friend of the cop” statement indicated that he seemed like he was on something. Or maybe it was another audio I heard. Who knows. There are so many versions out there and no way of knowing what the truth is without the autotopy. If he was shot in the front because he turned and came back toward the officer as described in some versions, then there is also opportunity for the hands in the air version to be true… This is not going to end well.
Last night there was a lot of looting and the cops did not intervene or arrest anyone. Tonight they are starting a curfew from midnight until 5 am.
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Tamara how is this a drug related felony? He stole something less than $100, he only used force when the clerk ran up to him, and what he stole is perfectly legal to possess and/or purchase. If someone stole a pack of Bic lighters, and pushed an employee in his personal space when leaving is that considered a drug related felony? And why are people acting like he’s a drug crazed junkie because he smokes pot…as probably half of your readers probably do. Which is also legal or becoming legal in many states.
Thanks. It’s so nice to know I can steal and push people around as long as I keep it under $100.
Rhubarb-if you believe your comment you are a brick short of a full load and should be removed from a position of influencing young minds. I would never permit you to teach my child. Never, and the thought that you come into contact with children on a daily basis sickens me. Read what you stated. Personal space??? Good God Almighty, Rhubarb.
Even after the way you glorified yourself in other comments with your litany of ” I do this”, “I have done that”, yada yada yada, what you did instead was highlight your warped beliefs that are diseased with the ages old tiring infection that is running rampant through Ferguson at this time.
My hope is for youth to learn to have the courage to step away from a life that has paralyzed change. With you as an educator that is impossible because all you do is rant the same old injustice, make the same old asinine statements and point a finger of the same old blame and racism at anyone who differs from your point of view. Same old, same old. I have no doubt this dip shit chip on your shoulder is carried with you into the classroom. Stay away!!! Far away.
Unfortunately you choose to represent yourself by a vegetable instead of your name which gives the ignorance you spew a cover, protecting your teaching position. After reading this comment and others you have made, it is a good thing you are a vegetable. An administrator in your district might be concerned enough about the troublesome content of your comments to see that your frame of mind is unhealthy and rethink the decision of your position and responsibility.
You are an example that anyone can go to college but not everyone gets an education. Apply your skills away from malleable minds.
Dracla I am not sure why you are choosing to attack me in this manner. I was asked (in so many words), why I haven’t spoken to my black brethren…many of whom are ruthless and soulless and also commit most of the crime in America. That is what was asked of me. I responded by sharing that I am passionate about promoting tolerance, empathy, and compassion. Later it was then said to me, by the same person, that I should be beaten by thugs…because I wouldn’t make a snap judgment about a group of people with no other descriptor or variable but race. I also spoke of my experience living near Ferguson, MO. My own personal account of time spent in a nearby area and reaction to a relevant national story. I initially brought up the fact that another poster regularly makes rude and vile comments about black people in TT’s blog and attacks commenters who disagree with her (similarly to what she did to me, and the person I initially replied to). Throughout I was disrespected and at times responded in anger, but never did I wish harm or celebrate and encourage malice to another individual. And to top it off, I was referred to as Kizzy (Kente). Yet, somehow you either missed a lot of that or chose to ignore it. Both of which are fine with me.
Actually, with one glaring exception, I think we have all done a decent job expressing opposing viewpoints without getting personal. Let’s not get overheated yet. There will be plenty of time of that when the reports are released…
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Tamara, my apologies if I was part of the glaring exception. My initial comment was out of continued frustration and was rude. I’ll do my best to adhere to civil discourse. Thanks for your continued hard work.
Not at all Rhubarb. Your voice deserves to be heard. I would in the real world follow that with “and respected.” However, this site is 80% of the time a bunch of ole bitties arguing over which real housewife is more egregious, and we do so hostilely and with foul language and rudeness. So we are not used to trying to be civil here. In general, we’re blowing of steam in the nastiest of ways about silly things to get our minds off of topics like this.
I’ll be glad when we get back to making fun of Nene’s teeth or Kenya’s thirsty behaviors but it’s going to be awhile.
Now that there are going to be THREE autopsies (ridiculous) it will be a month before we hear anything.
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 6:59 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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In other news, the is a very well spoken girl on CNN now ( I am a bit behind real time) who was shot in the head after a peaceful protest last Tuesday.
We really need more images and interviews with the peaceful, educated, citizens of Ferguson and a lot less pictures of looters and conversations about looting.
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
> Not at all Rhubarb. Your voice deserves to be heard. I would in the real > world follow that with “and respected.” However, this site is 80% of the > time a bunch of ole bitties arguing over which real housewife is more > egregious, and we do so hostilely and with foul language and rudeness. So > we are not used to trying to be civil here. In general, we’re blowing of > steam in the nastiest of ways about silly things to get our minds off of > topics like this. > > I’ll be glad when we get back to making fun of Nene’s teeth or Kenya’s > thirsty behaviors but it’s going to be awhile. > > Now that there are going to be THREE autopsies (ridiculous) it will be a > month before we hear anything. > > > On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 6:59 PM, Tamara Tattles [email protected]> wrote: > >>
Omg people are sooooo stupid!!! He was not shot over fucking cigars or “jaywalking”, he wasn’t even jay walking! He was shot because he wanted to show the “racist big bad cops” they he didn’t have to listen to them then further more fought with the officer and reached for his gun. The eyewitness is a criminal who didn’t want to get charged for robbery and is really the one who started this whole racist bullshit. The video today was released to show the mind frame of Michael brown and why he attacked the officer. He thought he was about to go to jail for a very long time. They can’t release the autopsy untilthe ttoxicology report comes back. Which is standard for any deaths. They are also not allowed to release any witness statements including the officer’s while in an investigation for the integrity of the investigation. Which is also standard. What fucking kills me more than anything is that all those dips hits rioting and protesting have zero knowledge of the law, if they did they wouldn’t be protesting. Because any time there is an officer involved shooting, they have to appear before a special grand jury to decide if it was justifiable homicide. Therefore they are rioting to press charges when they can’t press charges until he goes before a special grand jury to determine nolo or not. Then goes before a grand jury for them to decide. Then is charged and stands trial. This shit has set our country back years. Smh
Sorry for typos and words put together. Some reason my phone does its own thing in this forum.
I’m wondering:
I heard Al Sharpton is paying for the funeral. Is that true? Could it be since Phaedra studied mortuary science, she is trying to work her way into Sharpton’s circle? Will she partner with Sharpton to do an over the top funeral? And then, once in Sharpton’s good graces, take it further? Could she somehow, in her own delusional way, be planning some type of future career in politics? Activism? Her own “news” show?
Wash your mouth out Cat!! 😉
They do say “Every Saint has a past and every Sinner has a future”
Thanks for the Jonathon Gentry video. Wow.
I’m glad I didn’t give into my knee jerk reaction to speak out in rage at the thought of a young innocent man who was on the verge of greatness being gunned down for no reason. Still waiting for exactly what happened at that police car to assess my feelings on the matter. (Although in the store it appeared that Mike did exactly what he wanted through intimidation). The real story now should be the effect of a mob mentality on society.
Wow. Not to be a complete an utter disrespectful biaatch to some of my fellow commenters (whom I always enjoy reading) but I am really shocked at the level of ignorance displayed here-Hera, etc. A police shooting always requires an extensive investigation regardless of a high profile media event. We simply don’t have all the facts yet. It will all come out in time but the waiting is frustrating.
How many of y’all screaming police brutality have actually put a vest on, a 35 lb duty belt and ridden in a one man car, or been married to someone that has been on the job? Let’s see, where I currently live, it is a total war zone. Day and night. I have been to more officer killed in the line of duty funerals and sat through many trials listening to radio call testimony that is truly heartbreaking as someone chokes on their own blood after being shot 5 times and a member of the public is screaming into the radio for help. Race is not the issue here. It’s a lack of value for life. (At least in my community-New Orleans) so where are all of our lovely reverends swooping in to restore the African American community teens here? Nowhere to be found here. Sad situation.
I’m interested in hearing what radio call the officer kicked in-was it a 108 (officers life in danger/needs assistance) or whatever code is used in ferguson? If he even had time too during a struggle. I’m speculating here-there was more then likely a struggle in the vehicle, they will find browns prints on the service weapon and that is why he was shot. All the cops I know have always been trained to shoot to kill-never wound. Whoever commented on that issue is an idiot. The officers I know do not pull their weapon unless necessary and prepared to use it-they prefer to use mace or tasers. In this case it sounds as though the FPD may not have tasers which may have been awkward to deploy in a vehicle, I don’t know as I’m not a cop. I do carry mace though and a concealed firearm. 🙂
P.S. Phaedra is a jackass. Shouldn’t she be saving cash to put in apollos books?(instead of flying to St. Louis to insert herself into a family’s grief and a national conversation??)
Just my two cents. Sorry for such a long post, this subject has me heated. Thanks TT for all you do! Xox
love your opinions but you are wasting your breath trying to get them to see that line of reasoning, ive tried for days now. wait until the eel capitan calls you racist or crazy or some other smear, he is new here and better suited to be a housewife..like phaedra
Steve, once you started proclaiming that you have special powers that enable you to see into the future and know exactly what people will say, you crossed over into a fantasy world of psychic hot lines run by pink unicorns in your head. Your Dungeons and Dragons mindset doesn’t work in the real world. BTW, yes you are crazy. Very.
Love it!!! Kudos to you!
i really like how they now looted the store that had the nerve to give police that tape of the poor innocent child stealing amd intimidating the manager to the police
i like how as soon as police back off the looting begins
I don’t understand the part-time protesting. If you leave the streets empty during the day, and only protest at night, why not just have a big block party? They must not believe in their “cause” if they only do this part-time. I know Missouri is boring, but there has to be something else they can do to entertain themselves. Oh, yeah, there’s the looting. I forgot.
Steve wrote “i like how as soon as police back off the looting begins”
You have some very strange “likes”. Another Steve quote, ” i really like how they now looted the store.”
I like peace and harmony with no looting, under any and all circumstances, myself. You can quote me.
Agreed. It is a really tough job and these guys put their lives on the line everyday. People forget that they are people too. They want to get home to their families when their shift is over too which is why you do not F*ck around with the police. Yes sir, no sir and haul ass!
Cannot wait to hear from the eel himself…clearly been unable to sleep this evening, huge fundraiser I’m chairing tonight tonight for killed in line of duty law enforcement. That should set him off nicely. 🙂 However, this is one of my favorite blogs to read! Bring on the idiotic comments…have a great day everyone!
lots of good luck for the fundraiser, thats a good cause they need the help and support. 🙂
I’d also like to add that I lived in South County St Louis for a year, and taught at an elementary school in North County (in the hood). Let me tell you, that as a citizen of St. Louis, I encountered blatant racism from law enforcement, business owners, and community members- even when seeking them out for assistance. Look up the story on Henry Davis. He was removed from his home before sunrise due to an arrest warrant, and was beaten senseless by Ferguson police. Police later determined they had the wrong man, but not after charging him with destruction of property- for bleeding on their uniforms!!! Then they lied about it to cover their tracks. The morning after I moved in, someone left a lovely piece of KKK propaganda in my mailbox as a housewarming gift. Throughout that time, I witnessed police abusing their power in various venues and scenarios and treating all minorities as second class citizens. Food for thought; Ferguson’s police department has 53 white officers, only three of which are minority. 18 officers promoted to sergeant and one is minority. The Ferguson public school system is 80% minority and the school board is all white. The very popular and successful black superintendent was recently fired. Now tell me how you would feel living in Ferguson, MO as a black male? Living there as a professional black woman who’s never been in trouble for anything, and has lived in the South as well as Chicago, I can tell you first hand that black lives are hunted for sport in Missouri.
Tamara- there is an interview by Chris Hayes that was conducted last night. The interviewee is a life long resident of Ferguson and gives a very accurate historical overview of the demographics and social history of Ferguson. Worth the time to watch IMO. Don’t remember his name, but the man is white, wearing an STL ball cap and black sunglasses.
Giving you the benefit of doubt and taking for granted what you are saying about Ferguson is true, it proves the professional character of the officer is exemplary. Obviously he rose above the fray.
The officer worked for Ferguson PD for 6 years and NEVER, NEVER had a complaint filed against him!!! Not one. You can best believe if there was ever an opportunity to file a complaint, one would have been on record. Then up pops these two cretins.
These punk assholes have destroyed this officer’s future because of their ignorant decision to fuck with him. Not just the officer is affected. Many people will live the rest of their life impacted by Brown’s thoughtless decisions. Gentle giant, my ass. Brown was a ruffian.
Being a loser and bullying was his MO. Watch the tape of the robbery. Brown was far too relaxed and brazen for this to have been the first time he robbed and used physical force.
Observe the destruction to Ferguson and the sadness of our nation because two shit for brains idiots turned on the thug act again. All those town clowns had to do was obey a superlative officer looking out for the best interest and safety of motorists and them and follow his request to get out of the roadway.
This time Brown’s viciousness had a deadly consequence. Bet he didn’t see that coming.
Actually Dracla that proves nothing. When you have an all white police force that aims to intimidate and harass you on a daily basis because they profile every person that looks like you, they have a pattern of using deadly force & lying to cover their tracks, as well as investigate themselves (like totally unbiased, right?!) you are unlikely to file a report. We hear stories of abused women & children not reporting domestic violence because their spouse is on the force, or has influence that can lead to even more harm coming your way. America has systematically continued to implement racist and mentally debilitating tactics to ruin the future of young black men. I can name 20 men in 2013-2014 alone who where killed or brutalized while wearing zip ties, handcuffs, while surrendering, while asking for help, while trying to help, while minding their business. Then they always blame the victim. Henry Davis was mistakenly arrested by Ferguson police, beaten and then charged with destruction of property for having the nerve to bleed on the kind lawful officers. Then they lied about the entire thing. Yup, I’d totally trust them to follow through on my report when they’ve proven to be liars and incompetent. The kid was about to leave for college. Most thugs don’t bother with post secondary education. He had no record either. The video shows him alone (Dorian doesn’t actually converse with the clerk or take anything) steal something, while unarmed, then shove an approaching clerk when approached (not smart on the clerks part). In no way is stealing right. But as the police chief stated in multiple interviews, Officer Williams didn’t know a single thing about the petty theft. Definitively he did not know because it didn’t go out over the radio. Yet people keep trying to fabricate things in their favor. Why did he tell them to “get the fuck out of the street”. Sounds respectful and professional if you’re a garbage collector. Which is exactly how many officers working in black neighborhoods feel. Doesn’t matter that you work hard, earn good grades, mind your business or have no record. You are guilty of being black. You must be a gang banger, on welfare, have multiple children, on drugs, etc, etc. Again, I’m not buying it. They continue to release information on Brown who’s never been charged or convicted of a crime. Yet they have said nothing about the officer because they are protecting their brethren at all costs, be it right or wrong. And then u have morons like TeeCee saying someone deserves to die because she was there during a ride along and knows the officer should have shot an unarmed kid 7. Disgusting.
Also, for every 10 looters you have 100 peaceful protestors, protestors that are going out and protecting the business owners, teens that came out and cleaned up the damage from the QT. But many of you all talk about “don’t these people work”, “they want free stuff”, “don’t care about their neighborhood” “they’re savages and feral animals” “playing the race card” “they kill their babies”, etc. I’ve seen all of these comments in more articles that I can count. And not just on stories about Michael Brown, but on any social justice or welfare (not the program) article.
How convenient to leave out the fact that most crimes in this country are committed by blacks. Instead of being pissed at the police who use logic, common sense and statistics to try to help the community be stopping crime, why not look toward your brethren who are criminals, many of them ruthless and soulless, and put the blame there?
“Most crimes are committed by black people”. I rest my case. That is pure and utter bull. You talk about overuse and abuse of the term racist, yet fits much of this topic quite well, but not the over use of the term retarded, which fits your thought process quite well. Your fangs and true colors are showing. The tit for tat body count and fat thug in hell deserving to die were more than enough proof. But this sweeping generalization is above and beyond racist and not true. There are troys ands of innocent men and women sitting in prisons, some who had their cases overturned due to evidence tampering and misconduct by prosecutors and law enforcement. So found innocent or redeemed due to faulty or lacking evidence, yet they remain in jail. I get it TeeCee, you know no black people, have no positive experiences with blacks, and are content being a troll. It’s ok, because that’s your contribution to a better society. You have no idea who I place blame on in individual scenarios. I’m not a blanket “all black people are innocent” thinker. But I am someone who actively works in that community and a predominately Caucasian profession to bring about change, while being judged and disrespected by losers jerks like you. I volunteer and mentor youth. Do you? I treat all people kindly regardless of race and class. Do you? I’ve been called nigger while walking down the street. Have you? I take pride in being fair and compassionate. Do you? I’m not interested in the hate you spew, so feel free to respond, but know I won’t be responding. I’ll be out looting and committing crimes like all the other black people in this country that you speak of.
I stopped reading when you claimed that they was all set up. Lol. Keep lying.
Rubarb, there are a lot of errors in your statement. I’m not going to discuss them all, you just need to put aside YOUR racist views for a minute, and read what’s out there on the case. Or re-read this blog. Facts are coming in SLOWLY. This blog seems to be keeping up. Investigations take awhile.
Did you really blame the store clerk? How dare he do his job and try to stop someone from stealing. Really?
As for “sweeping generalizations” proving that someone is racist, I have to point out that YOU have done the same. You seem to think that ALL cops, or at least ALL WHITE COPS are only there to torment and kill blacks. That is just not true. Every profession has it’s bad apples. It doesn’t mean that ALL are evil. That is one conspiracy theory I am sick of hearing. And it shows YOUR racial bias against whites, and white cops, or cops in general. Pick one.
Cat…..some of my comments may not have come across as I intended them too. And this one probably won’t either. However I will not accept that I am racist (not to say that I haven’t retained feelings about situations I have been in or people I have encountered) but I will accept hat I can be hyper aware and hyper sensitive to issues regarding media bias and racism. I was first called a nigger at 11 while riding the Amtrak, and it was said by a 4year old. I’ll always remember that, but in no way would I assume every white person felt that way about me. That old lady on the elevator was just that- “that” old lady…not every old lady. Stereotyping is dangerous and I think that is a fair statement. Trust when I say I make a point to be positive, upbeat and accepting of everyone. Not just tolerant, but accepting and encouraging as well. Seeing young people succeed is all that I care about, and reminding people to not assume too much about people. I did not assume or say all police or white people were bad or racist. Go back and read again. I was speaking of documented numbers related to this specific police force, and public cases against them. Which someone asked about (related to the competency of the leadership, disproportionate racial reflection of the average citizen of Ferguson to the police and government). I know good cops. Several in fact. I also know that his particular department has been previously investigated for police brutality and they were documented as lying. This is public record. You are right, there are bad apples in every bunch. Which is my general feeling about most things, but I also will speak up of I disagree. Again, no one (‘cept for Tamara- many thanks) made note of what was said to me or even the hatred and anger in which it was meant. I didn’t feel like I was talking to a rational person at the time, and I responded the way I did. 🙁
Regarding the clerk, I think it’s poor judgement and probably against store policy to pursue a thief. That is too much liability on part of the store. Maybe I could have worded it differently, but for his safety he should have said something to him from a safe distance and then call police. But maybe he is trained to apprehend thieves. I don’t know. Again, just giving a differing perspective.
Rhu,
Now that cooler heads are prevailing (forgive me I have not read further down we may all be bitching again) I will tell you that your comments toward the store owner, were upsetting to me. The man was defending his business and standing up to a bully. I don’t understand your position that he should just put up no defense in a strong armed robbery.
oh crap I just turned the news back on… and it is chaos again. Things are out of control and someone has to come in and get this town under control. They don’t have the manpower for this.
Shots fired by police. FUck.
This is bad.
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My position is just that by rushing up to someone he either saw stealing, or stopping a alleged robbery suspect, he put his own safety in danger. I don’t know exactly what the box of cigars looked like (was something less than $5, $20, $50??) but either way if I knew for sure he stole something I would not walk up on someone And get in their face. That is why we have police. If they are brazen enough to steal, then who knows how they will respond when I get in their personal space. What if the person has mental or emotional issues or are violent. If that man in the video is the owner he can do whatever the law states. But if he is an employee only, he should have said sir you need to pay for that. If the person refused, call police. People have been fired for putting their life or the lives of other people in the store/business in jeopardy because of confrontations. What if Mike/a thief actually had a gun? What he stole is not worth anyone’s life- definitely not the clerk, other employees, or patrons of the business.
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In all seriousness, Are the mayor, city council, school board members elected?
*taken from his car, not his home
I know I’m probably going to very burned at the stake for this, bit gets a thought on how not to get shot by police: Don’t do things where the police might shoot at you. I feel like it’s a bit hard to have sympathy for someone that I’ve just witnessed making an old man half his size cower in a corner. You can see the fear in his face, and the sheer “I don’t care” attitude of his tormentor. There’s no excuse to take another persons life. But my heart’s not bleeding.
The start of that comment was raped by my autocorrect, but you get the sentiment… LOL!!!
I still have more questions than answers.
Why is there outcry that they body was in the street four hours? Don’t they usually have some CSI types come out and photograph and record evidence and such? It would seem important.
How long is normal to wait for an autopsy to be released to the media?
Why did initial reports about the video say it was from QT but now they are saying it was from a Ferguson Liquor store?
Why haven’t witnesses already spoken to the police? That should have been done at the time during the four hour period where everyone was standing around, yet the news media is saying they are looking for witnesses now.
WHy are there no videos of the interaction between the cop and the kid at all? You can’t walk your dog these days without someone videotaping it on a cell phone?
So many unanswered questions.
Good afternoon Tamara. It is my understanding that the force does not have cameras in their vehicles at this time. Even an audio recording would have shed light on what may have occurred imo. An autopsy should not be rushed, but a preliminary report should be available with a week, maybe sooner if the looting continues unabated. On the other hand, if Brown’s body has bullet entries to his back, I can imagine that once again, there would be a delay in releasing that information. I’m also hearing that the police did not interview witnessess in a timely manner, the whole incident has been mishandled from the start, though I do not condone the looting, just to be clear.
I don’t remember where I heard this, but someone stated that there were witnesses who shot video. They were afraid to go to the police. Not sure if that’s true, or not.
So basically, TeeCee would love it there.
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About the length of time a body lays at a scene, I’m not certain because the only death I witnessed was an accidental one, but the body remained at the scene until the coroner came and the on-site evidence was gathered by professionals. It took hours.
The owner of the store that was robbed was fearful for his life, employees and business if the public identified him. He requested that information about him be held confidential. That was impossible once the video was released under the FOIA. I am not 100% certain but I think the store has been looted since the video was made public.
The witnesses were spoken to by FPD but once the FBI became involved, the FBI reinterviewed witnesses and canvassed the neighborhood for more. The FBI suspects witnesses are not coming forward.
As far as a lack of photographic evidence goes, I am of the opinion there is evidence but it is not favorable to Brown and, therefore, is not being turned over. Again that is just my opinion.
The autopsy report is probably incomplete until toxicology results and tissue samples have been examined and tested. Some of those tests take time to process. I would suspect trajectories are being studied and noted. That can be time consuming and doing these tests with manpower and budget shortages will cause delays. If the federal government steps in the tests may be accomplished more quickly but some of them require a time frame to develop and nothing will change that.
Some information may never be released until after a grand jury hearing (if there is one).
Phony, phony Phaedra. If she were truly there for the family she wouldn’t make sure that photos were taken…like they were (her sitting next to the Mother).
I was married to a Police Officer and after many ride alongs it became clear to me just how much crap these men and women go through on a daily basis. Most days they are adult babysitters who have to see the worst of humanity. They never know if the next call will be one that takes their life. I cant imagine working a 10 hour shift with the stress of knowing that some in the public don’t like me and that some want me dead. Now let me say that I usually am not fond of police officers because many are way too arrogant for me to stomach. I have seen cops (on my ride alongs) that treated people well and I have seen some that don’t treat people well. Some folks want to bitch about those awful cops but they are the first ones to call 911 when someone is in their home threatening their life.
I am reserving judgment on this officer until all the facts are out. It can take a week or more for a grand jury to even hear the details, these investigations take time so it isn’t being stalled. Also, leaving a body at the scene for hours sometimes even overnight is standard to investigations. I’m sick and tire of hearing all those whiners talk about his body was left in the street for hours.
Rosey, I am another Rose married to a police officer who has been one for 38 years. I agree there are some (I won’t even call them officers) that should no more wear a badge than a snake. They ruin the profession for all of the hard working men and women who risk their lives every day to uphold the law and make people safe. My husband personally has pulled 3 people from a burning building saving their lives because he got there before the firemen. He also talked a man out of killing himself and his child while his wife looked on after he had already managed to get one child out of the house. If this officer murdered this 18 year old young man then he should be punished swiftly and maybe even a little more harshly as he does wear a badge. However, facts must be collected and the right conclusion drawn. Looting and stealing is not the answer for justice in this case. I pray for the people who are having to live through this. I also pray for Mike Brown’s family because no matter what they have lost their son.
I’m not going to comment on the case specifically, but in regards to Phaedras post, I wish people would learn when to do things an announce them and when it’s respectful to just do them and keep the moment private. And by people I mean etiquette belle Phaedra.
My relative by blood is 1/4 Black. I love him and hold him close in my heart. I live in a Racist state. I hope the facts come in. I will wait until then. No cop should shoot to kill…..especially if the person is unarmed. He could have wounded him….or tasered him. The death was senseless. When people in control are abusive to the Minority….this is the result. It happens in any Race or Class. It is a symptom and by product of injustice and abuse felt by the abused Minority. The Peons also uprised. Its not uncommon …take a look back at history
You’re a moron.
You are an idiot!! Police officers do not pull out their weapons unless their is a threat to a life. If someone is threatening a life you shoot to kill. Shooting 101–dont pull a gun unless you intend on killing them. If people wouldn’t break the law they wouldn’t be arrested. Blaming officers for the population of minorities in jail is like blaming McDonalds for your obesity. Smh.
Point of Order? Can I still blame Taco Bell and boxed wine for my obesity?
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Of course you should blame Taco Bell and boxed wine for your obesity. Just like I blame you for my phascination with Phaedra. Duh!
That is Darwin Award worthy, if you pull a gun, you only shoot to kill. There is no such thing as an unloaded gun and if you point a gun at someone you better mean it.
Point taken… Nice blogging with you guys.. Be safe.. *KISSES*
I love the people who comment on what police have done wrong in the past as though it is relevant. Do you want me to list all of the crimes committed to me and my family and my friends and acquaintances and their family’s by black people or by white people or by Hispanics? Does any of that matter?
I’m sure it does to that poor store clerk or all of the people who have had their property destroyed and stolen.
So we have an eyewitness tweeter. “Bruh” According to this dude, Big Mike was shot in the back twice, then he turned around and went back toward the officer and was shot 7 more times. Nothing about kneeling or hands in the air. Or don’t shoot me.
The tweeter went outside at one point and heard about the stolen cigars.
This is probably going to be a mess
DIGITAL ERA @SLIKK_DARKO · Aug 9
@TheePharoah sorry to say but that’s gone be in yo head forever, saw it at 13 and it fucked me up
Bruh. @TheePharoah · Aug 9
@SLIKK_DARKO bruh ima be cool hopefully. Im really worried about how im gon get to work lol
DIGITAL ERA @SLIKK_DARKO · Aug 9
@TheePharoah nah u gone be cool, u just ain’t gone forget that, so the boys shot him?
Bruh. @TheePharoah · Aug 9
@SLIKK_DARKO yeah man. 7 times i think
DIGITAL ERA @SLIKK_DARKO · Aug 9
@TheePharoah from behind ?
Bruh. @TheePharoah · Aug 9
@SLIKK_DARKO the first two was, the next 5 werent, he turned around
Charles Wade @akacharleswade · 22h
“@TheePharoah: @SLIKK_DARKO the first two was, the next 5 werent, he turned around” 2 shots from behind. 5 from the front.
Bruh. @TheePharoah · Aug 9
@SLIKK_DARKO yeah man. 7 times i think
Bruh. @TheePharoah · Aug 9
@DomoTheTruth he looked like 18 or 19. His parents out here tripping now
Bruh. @TheePharoah · Aug 9
Im over the initial shock, but gahdamn
Bruh. @TheePharoah · Aug 9
@taeGawd gahdamn that shit crazy
Bruh. @TheePharoah · Aug 9
@DomoTheTruth Im in the tape man this shit right in front.of my apartment
Bruh. @TheePharoah · Aug 9
@taeGawd bruh in.front of.my.crib!
Bruh. @TheePharoah · Aug 9
@DomoTheTruth dude was running and the cops just shot.him. i saw him die bruh
Bruh @TheePharoah · Aug 9
@AlexDon314 yes man, he dead in the street.
Bruh. @TheePharoah · Aug 9
I saw it happen man..
Bruh @TheePharoah · Aug 9
@_amourlace no reason! He was running!
The tweeters were put together by a Rolling Stone reporter here…Which makes me think they might be deleted. https://twitter.com/7im/timelines/499639344613695488
Damn.
Thanks for all of your digging in on this. Not an easy.subject matter. I appreciate all of the lighter stuff thrown in between. It can’t be easy.
Yeah. His TL stops at Aug. 13th. He’s still tweeting about what’s going on outside, though.
Wow, this has given me a whole new perspective. Not taking sides, but just watching. Interesting to compare the tweets with what’s on the news.
Yep. Just as I thought. Young Black Male….unarmed and shot in the back. The eyewitness Live tweeted. Who’s the idiot now? I live in reality….in a racist State. Sadly this bullshit is not uncommon for people of color. I don’t condone looting. But, people are sick pf the bs! Anyone remember Rodney King…? Not the same….but very similar. Like I said….look back at History. You will know what will generally happen next…when the abused Minority has had enough. It is a by product of the abuses that were endured. They definately need Cameras.
How convenient that you chose the witness statement that coincides with what you thought while over looking other statements. Such as this one from a witness that was recorded at the scene
1)They came when I was coming out the house. That’s the one that ran behind this right here cause he ran up there where we was at, where we live at. When I came back outside, all I seen was the police, that truck right there door was, I don’t know what happened.
2)Well who hat is that right there.
1)That’s his hat, I don’t know what happened…
2)Well, How did he get from there to here?
1)Cause he ran. Police was still in the truck.
2)They came this way?
1)Naw, police was still in the truck, like, I don’t know what…
2)Running this way? Why his body
Come this way though?
1) The police yeah, him and the police he was like over the truck or what not, cause then he ran, then the police got out and ran after him, next thing I know he’s coming back towards him, and the police had his gun drawn already.
2)Oh, the police dropped his shot?
1)The police kept dumping at him, I’m thinking like the police missing him. The police was like this far from him, dumping at him. At least 5 shots, next thing I know I’m thinking he missing him…
2)The police did that?
1)The police shot him, next thing I know, the police, then he started running towards the police.
2) oh I didn’t know the police shot him.
1) police did it.
2)I’m telling you I heard like, I head like 8 shots. It was like 4, and then It was like 4 more. Pow pow pow pow pow and then it stopped for a min. Pow pow pow.
1)Police was like, How many times you heard that. Police was like, at least 10 yards away from him. Dude was still standing, I’m thinking it’s, Dude was still standing. I’m thinking it’s and then he kept coming towards him. I guess and then he broke off running.
Which matches what officer Wilson told his friend while at the hospital getting treated for his injuries.
He pulled up ahead of them. And then he got a call-in that there was a strong-arm robbery. And, they gave a description. And, he’s looking at them and they got something in their hands and it looks like it could be what, you know those cigars or whatever. So he goes in reverse back to them. Tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael did. And, then he opened the car again. He tried to get out. He stands up.
And then Michael just bum-rushes him and shoves him back into his car. Punches him in the face and them Darren grabs for his gun. Michael grabbed for the gun. At one point he got the gun entirely turned against his hip. And he shoves it away. And the gun goes off.
Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And, Darren’s first protocol is to pursue. So, he stands up and yells, “Freeze!” Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something.”
Aren’t most all subjects fleeing arrest shot in the back?
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Honestly most people aren’t shot when fleeing unless they pose an true threat through a violent forcible felony. Such as a gunman, armed robbery or any robbery that involved violence, rape, murder, etc. Think of how many chases happen a day, now how many of them are shot?? Very few. Police are instructed to draw their gun when apprehending the suspect that fled as you have no idea what they will do. Such as an officer chasing a car, once stopped they will surround the car with their guns drawn.but police do have the right to shoot someone in the back if they are fleeing and pose an risk of the suspect causing injuries or death to citizens or officer should they be allowed to escape. Tennesee vs Garner per supreme court. Which is fine by Me, I personally don’t want rapist, murderers, robbers etc running rampant because the police couldn’t stop them when they started running.
Last night was just ridiculous. Less than 200 idiots out after curfew defying the law. Sloppy police work even with Ron Johnson there. They should have all been cuffed and hauled off to jail.
Someone has to get control of the town. And no one seems qualified to do that efficiently. At this rate there will be no town to police. It’s frustrating and frightening that the small percentage of criminals and looters is literally allowed to destroy lives and businesses in this town with no repercussions.
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I blame the media and people crying out that the police was tough and “militarized” at the beginning of the week. Citizens weren’t arming themselves, people weren’t being shot .But when america and biased news ooutlets started bitching about it the police pulled back and then the same people bitch that the police did nothing. Which is it? Do you want order or not? As apparent by those refusing to leave, it will have to be a forceful and unwaivering decision to arrest any that cannot protest peacefully.
TT, alderman @antonio french has been live tweeting about this situation. You had mentioned that you were looking for live info…
yeah, I like him.
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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TT I left a light on waiting, the rum was good
He live tweeted a body in the street. He did not see initial confrontation. My son’s roommate is 100% black , I love him too, he is staying with us until Friday. He is majoring in criminal justice. He thought Dorian’s statement was BS. He pointed out he could not get his hand around the gentle giant’s neck. He is a big guy and in incredible shape. I felt like I had to throw that in, since your blood relative is 1/4 black. Oh wait I have some relatives that are not 100% white.
It’s really depressing to me that everyone feels compelled to state their ethic background.
oh and new post here http://s17948.p858.sites.pressdns.com/2014/08/18/first-mike-brown-autopsy-reports-are-in/
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 11:51 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I was being sarcastic, since I thought the 1/4 black relative comment was stupid, as if we all need to explain how many and how black the people we know are. Sorry if I threw gas on the stupid
Actually it was Jen’s stupid comment about police should never shoot anyone, but if they do just wound them. Then it was compounded by the 1/4 black relative by blood. I guess I am tired and depressed by the whole thing. Presumption of innocence applies to the police too.
Oh I get it Julie.
New post with new info here… http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:09 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I was not surprised that Phaedra placed herself above the suffering mother, Mrs. Brown, and seemingly aligned herself on par with the divisive, race card playing ‘celebrities’, Revs Jackson and Sharpton.
Thank God for God-loving men like the Rev. Gentry, who, in righteous anger, spoke the truth about the state of matters in Ferguson, MO, and what community residents must do to affect positive change. May Rev. Gentry’s words prevail over Sharpton’s and the other’s gospels of emnity and division. #Romans 16:17 #FixThemJesus
May God protect Gentry and like-minded others from those whose first response to conflict is violence and destruction of their own community, which ‘defocuses’ from their just cause, undermines their credibility, degrades their neighborhood, depresses commerce there, provokes flight of residents of higher means, devalues real estate, and ultimately degrades the quality of life for all who remain in the community and/or try to conduct business there for years thereafter.
Thank you TT for allowing your blog to become a place where posters may engage in (mostly) civil discourse about a tragedy, which has become a very highly charged debate. Thank you for deftly (and not-so-deftly) ‘guiding’ discourse in such a way that beyond expression of our sorrow, anger, frustration, and our impassioned opinions, that facts about this matter and pursuant legal process are honored here, which we pray, will result in a just outcome, which also will be honored here.
What and where exactly is a “racist state”? Does that mean state as in condition or state as is a member of the USA? And is anyone really so stupid that they can claim an entire state is “racist”? Don’t you think you’re doing a disservice to the word by overusing and abusing it ?
I’m amazed that thousands of people will go to the streets for a thug who just committed a felony (strong armed robbery) and was not following the orders of a police officer. And, what kind of credibility does his friend have? Why would anyone put any weight on the testimony of his friend, who goes around with Brown committing felonies. When a police officer tells you to do something, DO IT!!!!, or suffer the consequences. We cannot expect our police to have to deal with thugs who think that’s it’s alright for them to fight with police in the streets. The black community should be telling their young people to obey police orders. That’s the lesson here. And, you know that Brown was in a different state of mind because he had just robbed the store. In my world, robbing stores is a huge deal. It’s unacceptable! If you are the kind of person who robs stores and scuffles with police, you probably won’t live long. Duhhhhh!!!!
Look into “The Innocence Project”. It gives factual statistics and information on the number of individuals who have been exonerated due to lack of evidence, police tampering, and prosecutorial misconduct.
Reading both the Officers account and Mr. Johnson’s account – Odd, but the both agree.
#1 Walking in the Street: Both agree Mr. Brown and Johnson were walking in the street and the Officer(s) told them to get on the sidewalk.
#2 Officer in the Car: Both accounts put Officer Williams in the Car. Officers say Mr. Brown pushes Officer Williams into the Police Car. Mr. Johnson says – Officer tries to PULL Mr. Brown into the car. You cannot PULL someone IN a Car unless YOU ARE IN THE CAR. You can Push them, but not PULL them unless you are in that car yourself.
#3 Both talk about a struggle: Mr.Johnson says there was a struggle and Officer shot Mr. Brown in the car. Officers say – there was a struggle for Officer Williams weapon and a shot was fired.
Mr. Johnson says Officer Williams had a hold of Mr. Brown’s shirt and on his neck trying to PULL Mr. Brown in the car That’s impossible unless Officer is one hell of a big guy. Mr. Brown’s neck is huge. Look at the video. Mr. Brown is a big person … and we’re to believe this Officer can PULL Mr. Brown into the Police car with one had on his shirt and the other around Mr. Brown’s neck? Right!!!!
After reading both the Police account and Mr. Johnson’s account … I think the Office called the young men out for walking in the middle of the street – like both reports said. It PO’d both young men – they came over to the Police car … pushed Officer William into the Police car – gave the Officer a few good Fists …Mr. Brown then saw the gun and went for it – and in the struggle, it went off. As to the rest of the firings – I don’t know. I don’t believe Mr. Brown had his hands up in the air … because it was those very same people who said … Mr. Michael Brown was a Gentle Giant … and we know from the video – that is a lie.
You are walking down the street. At the corner, on the right side there are 10 men, late teens, early 20s. They are black. On the left side, there are 10 men, late teens, early 20s. They are white. You have to walk down one side of the street or another. Which do you pick. I’m not asking who are good people or who are not good people. Or for statistics or excuses. Knowing nothing more that what I’ve said, which side do you walk down? I’ve no idea what color you are. But let’s just say you are Asian.
Answer honestly.
Then ask yourself who is to blame. Really and truly.
As a female, I would turn around.
I also would already be on one side of the street or the other and not WALKING IN THE TRAFFIC. That I would not do.
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Neither, I’d say Scotty, beam me up.
If it’s broad daylight, I’m walking going to continue down my current path of travel that is closest to my destination. If it’s at night, I’d either turn around or I’d continue down my current path of travel. I’ve been the person in the elevator that the little old lady refuses to ride up with. I’m not afraid of people that don’t look like me. Rarely does a random group of 10 men, black or white randomly assault a female in broad daylight. It’s always more hurtful than helpful to assume things about people you don’t know based on hair, skin, dress, dialect, or anything other than there personal interaction with you. It’s simply profiling. 🙁
As a single woman traveling alone, I am always “profiling” if “profiling” is being aware of your environment and staying away from people or situations that look suspicious. I could care less if anyone’s feelings get hurt because I misjudged a situation. My priority is self-preservation and not the self-esteem of whoever I may avoid in the process.
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Dear god. You’re all either spineless or liars. Ok. Black men are never ever ever intimidating. You’re just so right!! They never commit crimes and they are always picked on by the police for no reason whatsoever. And yes. That horrible old women is just such a bad person for not trusting you!!
I give up. Go back to living your fucking farce. I hope every fucking one of you gets the living shit beat out og you by a thug.
You seem to be very physically and verbally aggressive and pose more of a threat to me than anyone at this point. If anyone is a thug it’s you. You hope we’re beaten by thugs (aka black men and only black men). Got it. I was physically abused in a previous relationship at 21. I’m black he was white. I loved him very much at the time. Dear god (whomever that is for you) I hope you don’t work with children or the elderly. Sounds like you and Mr Brown have more in common than you realize! Peace be unto darling!
I can see why he beat you. I hope it hurt A LOT.
And I have never applied thugs to black men. Those are your words, kizzy
Talk about soulless…Kizzy? You just learned I am black, and your response is to call me a slave name. And I’m the one that’s in the wrong??? Lol. Riiiiiight!
I’m not phased by you. Or your lies. You said most crime is committed by blacks.
Your thoughts on the credible witness account posted by Tamara?? Or have you deemed her a liar and Kizzy like you did myself?
You are scaring me now, TeeCee. I would be on whatever sidewalk you were not on.
I SAID I WOULD TURN AROUND! And now you are lumping me in with the other folks.
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I’m not afraid to answer, TeeCee. Both sides could be dangerous, but the left side is statistically less dangerous. That’s the path a thinking woman would take (unless she could back out and avoid both sides). Whether she was white or black or green. Even Bill Cosby would give the same advice. Every crime that has ever been committed against me or my close friends, or our property, has been committed by a black male. It’s sad, it’s heartbreaking, it’s horrible, but there it is. I can’t help it. I can’t change it. Who’s responsible? Aren’t we all responsible for our own actions? Isn’t that the bottom line? Making excuses has just prolonged the problem. The Reverend Gentry’s video is spot on, bless him for standing up.
I would turn around, too, and take a cab. I don’t like crowds…of ANY color.
And that is the truth.
Since the question asks which side I would choose (as the only two options), I would walk on the left side.
If I had to strictly stick to your questions and or scenario, the right side. Period.
I know you may not like my answer teecee, but you asked for honesty.
Ps. I don’t want to get the shit beat out of me by any “og thug”
Thanks though
Not sticking to your scenario. ..I profile as a mofo! I am a Woman. Not a dumb ass. I’m responsible for me. I agree with not putting myself in certain situations.
I wonder how Phaedra will be spinning this on RHOA. Perhaps she will use it as a way to have more “important” things to deal with rather than her role on trash tv. I’m trying not to think she’s attempting to elevate herself. I’m just trying not to think this.
It’s just your average day for a sociopath. Make a national tragedy about you.
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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(Reuters) – Police arrested seven protesters in Ferguson, Missouri, early on Sunday as they imposed a curfew aimed at quelling days of violence that erupted after an unarmed black teenager was shot dead by a white police officer.
The latest confrontation occurred when demonstrators remained in the streets of the St. Louis suburb after the curfew took effect at midnight (0100 ET). Seven people were arrested for failing to disperse, police said.
A person was shot and critically wounded during the night. It was not clear why, and the shooter was still at large, police said.
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Why no mention of the races of the people involved in last night’s shooting?
Did you see any of the memorial service? At first glance, I thought I was hearing a repeat of the Michael Jackson memorial. They were on stage, going on and on about what a wonderful young man Mike was. How he never did anything wrong in his life, blah, blah, blah. And how this sweet, innocent young boy was executed by a cop who was simply having a bad day. (That was his motive, I guess.)
I couldn’t watch it. The family and those standing with them have turned this guy into a saint and a martyr.
Makes me wonder if they are gearing up sympathy for a civil suit. (No one was crying. There is potentially a lot of money to be made here.
Nah, it’s traumatizing enough with all the you tubes of Brown in the street people keep sending me. I can’t do funerals.
To be fair, every funeral I have been to makes the dead person sound like a saint. It’s what we do.
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That’s true, I suppose. I don’t like funerals, either.
Victim is white from the pictures I saw, however my first question is why was he out after curfew? Stupid and dangerous.The autopsy results will probably be delayed due to the justice dept stepping in. Toxicology can take several weeks, all the synthetic drugs have really caused a problem. Oh and Phaedra is a pig.
From Patrik Jonsson of CSMonitor.com Explains the division among local, state and federal law enforcement quite well.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2014/0817/Mike-Brown-protests-Fresh-riots-reveal-deep-divisions-among-police
That resulted in Nixon declaring a midnight curfew in Ferguson Saturday. As midnight approached Saturday, Johnson looked physically tired. During the day he had clashed with local officials over his decision to de-escalate the police response Friday night. Some police have argued internally that the decision led to more looting early Saturday morning.
The meeting was so intense that it ended in tears and hugs among senior police commanders, Johnson said. So for Johnson, desperate to maintain order without reverting to clench-fisted police power, the sight of protesters refusing to disperse as the curfew approached Saturday night was heartbreaking. “I have a heavy heart tonight,” he said.
In a gripping scene, as Black Panther leaders with bullhorns pleaded with protesters, “Black man, go home,” one young black man, a black bandanna covering his face, confronted Johnson inside the media area.
Johnson stopped his entourage and faced the man, and the two exchanged words. “Why isn’t the cop in jail?” the man, shaking with rage, said of Brown’s shooter.
“I can’t give you all the answers you want, but there were 40 FBI agents walking through this neighborhood today,” Johnson said. “They’re going to give you the answers.”
That curfew should be of grave concern to anyone who believes in right to free speech.
It is unconstitutional. The people have a right to peacefully assemble and protest.
When people enlist in the military, we don’t expect them to complain about their safety when it’s time to defend the country.
Similarly, when people choose to be a police officer I don’t expect to hear how their safety is at risk in situations such as this. This is the job he/she chose and is getting paid for.
Protest isn’t always pretty- there will always be those who take advantage of unfortunate situations.-but it is our right.
It is a police’s duty to protect those who protest peacefully and and arrest the ones who don’t. If an individual isn’t up for that he should turn in his badge.
Taking away that right because you are inept to do your job is unconscionable.
if they keep wanting to riot and loot the governer can declair martial law and bring in the national guard
I’m going to scroll past this and hope someone ripped San D a new asshole. Because that is just ridiculous.
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In your opinion, do you feel the protesters/protesting is going on peacefully? I know it can’t be all one way. We all have the right to protest peacefully, as you stated. Maybe not the capability. PLEASE do not take my comment as “attacking” or “demeaning” in any way. I honestly am wondering what you think is happening based on the beginning of your statement.
NEW POST
http://s17948.p858.sites.pressdns.com/2014/08/18/first-mike-brown-autopsy-reports-are-in/
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:15 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Would you have a hissy fit if authorities closed a beach due to man eating sharks in the water? Or would you defy authority, and go swimming anyway? You DO have the right to be stupid, I guess.
You are suggesting that war has been declared in Ferguson, MI and there should be no voice for peace. All should be put forth for battle after battle, just let it happen. Cuz oppression. There will be no ceasefire OR change if there are no leaders to follow. Who should we listen to? They told us to stay home tonight. Who the fuck are They? Of course we have the right to protest but shall we walk a circle for another 50 years? Or should we stand back in peace and wait and show the rest of the World that we are NOT who They think we are?
That is really sad, Johnson really stepped up and his good faith is being undermined by morons,who are using a tragedy to behave like savages.
Brown’s family attorney, Crump, confirmed yesterday that Brown’s hand wound was sustained during the scuffle. I went back and found the interview of Dorian the day of the shooting and played it two more times just to be clear. He said Brown was shot during the scuffle in the car.
I read an article about the shell casings. That was one way they knew no other weapon other than the officer’s was used. All casings were accounted for and the article mentiond the one located in the car.
I do agree that confirmed information would be the best but nothing has been released that is too helpful.
My apologies if I clouded the issue.
not clouded at all DD thank you for the info.
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Here is a credible eyewitness account of the shooting.
http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word-with-lawrence-odonnell/watch/eyewitness-to-brown-shooting-tells-her-story-318326851993
Her account seems to indicate that the information provided by police is misleading. I hope people do not dismiss her eyewitness account.
I think her account and the police account are very close and the truth is somewhere in the middle.
I can’t imagine a police officer trying to pull a nearly pound man into his police truck. That doesn’t seem to me to be a logical conclusion.
I am also wondering were the bullet or even the shell of the first shot (thought by police to be a struggle over the weapon) landed.
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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The more I hear these stories, the more questions I have.
If Brown had his hands outside of the cop car, trying to push away, and the cop was trying to pull Brown inside the car…..How was the gun able to fire? Just how many hands did this cop have? Someone had to be holding the gun, and pulling the trigger. I can’t imagine the cop was pulling Brown in with one hand…the guy was just too big. And if the cop was sitting, I can’t see him having the leverage to pull the guy inside.
And just what was the cop going to do, once he got Brown in the car? Have him sit on his lap?
It just doesn’t make sense to me.
Yes, the conflicting stories about Mike being in and out of the car for me were very confusing. Until you hear the tape where some male witness is trying to explain what he saw and why Mike was positioned as going back to the police vehicle.
It’s in the very beginning. The guys says something about Mike being in the car. I thought to myself, “That’s news. I never knew he was ever actually placed in the patrol car.” But on second and third listening, I don’t think that is what the guy meant at all. I think he meant Mike was in the car in the since that he had leaned through the window and attempted to grab the weapon. That is purely my interpretation and not presented as fact. HOWEVER, I can’t envision any scenario where a cop would be pulling a person he is trying to get out of the road into his vehicle, as you say, on to his lap. There is no logical scenario there. The more logical scenario is that Mike leaned in through the open window and began an assault on the officer.
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Thanks. That’s the only scenario (so far) that makes any logical sense to me, too. I know this case is very racially charged, but I just don’t see the world that way. I don’t take anyone’s story at face value. I pick it apart. That’s why I’m so into “true crime” stories, I guess. It’s putting the puzzle together. I can’t wait until the investigation is over, and the other side has their say. Then we will have something to work with. Right now, it’s very lopsided. I agree with you that the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
The bullet somehow hi Brown. I an not sure which wound it is but Dorian stated during the scuffle in the squad car the gun fired and Michael was shot.
The shell casing was located inside the car by crime scene investigators which substantiates Dorian version of the gun being fired within the vehicle.
Both of those young men should have just thrown in the towel and surrendered instead of running from the scene.
I have never heard Dorian or anyone say that Brown was hit by the misfired bullet. Nor have I seen a police report about the shell casing inside the car. This sounds like information people are putting out to bolster the cops case.
This is happening on both sides. Which is why seeing the actual investigation will be helpful.
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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first off, i usually disagee with teecee, this time i am all in with her.
second, friday night i had 10 girls from the youth group stop by my house to jump in my pool which is not heated, they were accompanied by 2 adult youth leaders who are female. we had a friend here who is another adult, me and my husband and our 2 children ages 15(male) and 10(female) plus my sones friend who is 14 and hispanic. our town is largely white and then a good sized hispanic population. the girls were in the pool giggling and squiling for 10-15 minutes, then they left as it was a stop off on their overnighter trip. we have asshole jerks next door. my husband and our friend as wella s myself were on our large private front porch chatting and having a drink. my kids and our extra child then took one last dip in the pool and were very quiet, the assholes called the cops stating we had an out of control party going on. 2 cops cars roll up very fast jump out and i hear them saying to one another about them not hearing a party. just then the boys unaware of the cops in the front walk aroudnt eh side of the house and are spot lighted by the cops, theya re soaking wet and in towels and my daughter was right behind them. they were asked to stop and they did, they were asked what they were doing there as i was coming down the front steps. one officer kept the kids lite up and the other focused on me. i told them it was the church youth girls and that we were never asked to be quiet,a dn i was really sorry. the cops were pissed to be called on something so trivial and said i should ahve the girls come back. my point… 2 teen boys were are bigger physically due to their sports stopped dead in their tracks and did what they were asked. they didn’t pop off at the mouth and try and run. and the cops here are supposedly against the hispanics. THEY DID AS THEY WERE ASKED! thats the problem with the situation in mo, no respect for authority
I keep remembering the comment by former St. Louis County Police Chief Tim Fitch. “We cannot keep stoning the keepers at the gate.” Of course there are bad apples in every police department, like there are in every profession, every company, every family. But they are damned if they do and damned if they don’t. You couldn’t pay me a million dollars a day to do what they do. First the protesters screamed “Police Brutality” and wanted them all destroyed. When the police backed off and held back, the same people screamed “The police are not doing their jobs!” They are in an impossible position, with precious little support. And they even have to protect the pieces of garbage that blow through, like the Rev Al and Slimey Jesse Jackson.
Very well said. But I also think its how the people are dressed. As a female I would find minorities with pants sagging, turned hats, etc more sketchy and would avoid them. On the flip side, if there were a group of black men in polos, not shuffling as they walked or a group of white rednecks with meth marks and dirty crunchy clothes I would choose to walk with the black people. Its not about the race. Its the stereotype of the race. Blacks it is baggy pants, turned caps with purchase stickers(wtf do they do that), driving a hooptee, etc. Whites it is meth face, grunchy dirty, broken down car from the 80’s , Mexicans with the baggy pants, in large numbers on their low riding truck. Stereotypes are for a reason!! They weren’t magically invented. You pull a white person over that has dirty teeth driving a broken down car with baggy dirty looking clothes, 9 out of 10 times they will have pills or meth on them. Pull over a black man who is laying in the backseat driving his raised rim rolling crown Vic with baggy clothes that doesn’t properly fit anywhere 9 out of 10 times you are going to find a gun or pot. I’m not saying every person in that race does it but the stereotypes are for a reason.
Thank you for posting all different prospectives
even if… the guy WAS UNARMED, had already been shot once in the front and twice in the back… not a threat at that point.. this is NOT a justifiable homicide… no matter how folks try to justify it…
Silky, the facts are starting to trickle in. Witness statements are all very similar. Mike was somehow leaning into or climbing into the window. At some point as Mike was hanging inside the truck, or outside the truck a shot was fired that we don’t think hit anyone. There was a physical altercation with a police officer. Mike fled the cop perused him shooting and yelling for him to stop. Best info seem to show two bullets hit Mike in the back causing him to turn around. Pretty much every version is similar to that. At that point Mike was charging the officer again after being shot and several more shots were fired.
If that is indeed what happened, OR IN ANY SCENERIO, the question is did the officer follow law enforcement protocol by discharging his weapon. If the answer is yes, then the case is closed.
The shooting did not occur because of Mike breaking the law by walking in traffic, the shooting did not occur because Mike committed a strong armed robbery ten minutes prior. The shooting occurred because Mike did not follow the officer’s command to get out of the street and in turn stood outside his police vehicle and an altercation occurred. There is a reason that Dorian was not shot. As the video of the robbery shows, Dorian refused to steal and refused to get up in the officer’s face. (allegedly).
I do not know for sure what the reports will show. I was not there and neither were you. But your position is that nothing could have happened that would have justified the officer using his weapon, is disingenuous. Police are armed for a reason.
You seem to fail to acknowledge that the officer is trained to know when to use his weapon and that something happened during a struggle with Mike Brown that caused him to use it.
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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why is it that Mike was “CHARGING” the police officer? Maybe after being SHOT 3times, Mike was complying with the officer and “FELL FORWARD after being spun around by the bullets which could “APPEAR” as if he was charging towards the officer.. I do in fact acknowledge that the officer is trained when something happens during “A STRUGGLE” but Mike RAN Which means “HE WAS NO LONGER A THREAT” and the cop continued to SHOOT! and shoot…. and shoot… and shoot. IMHO, (like yours) There is NO JUSTIFICATION for POLICE to shoot an UNARMED person in the back who is running away … Period…
“Charging back at the officer” was one witness’s telling, nearly all said he turned around and advanced at the officer in some way.
Does that justify the officer in continuing to discharge his weapon? That is not for me or you to decide. That decision lies in the incident report and investigation that occurs every time an officer discharges his weapon in the line of duty. Those investigations have a particular protocol that removes emotion from the equation to determine if the officer was justified.
Also please remember that “justified use of a firearm” does not mean the same things a “the boy deserved to die.” Whether are not the boy deserved to die is an emotional question, justified use of a firearm is clearcut.
There are indeed situations where law enforcement is justified in shooting a fleeing suspect in the back. Is this one of them? That remains to be seen. I am not familiar with them all. If for example the officer at that time knew he had just committed a strong armed robbery, the they will probably consider the discharge of the weapon justified. If the Mike punched the officer and attempted to get his gun, they will probably say justified.
If the officer did not hear the radio report about the robbery, and was not assaulted by Mike, the will likely say he was not justified.
To me, the irony of it all is the kid died running down the middle of the street. Which was exactly caught the officer’s attention in the first place. He clearly never made it back to the sidewalk.
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Holy Hannah! I miss a few minutes here and now we are going to hell. Hang on, my hand basket needs a few more decorations for this drive….
No wonder it’s so hot in here. And I thought I was having hot flashes. 🙂
@ HERA
Your absurd comment pasted in quotes: “And how would the shooting cop KNOW he was a “felon”, [past tense] before collecting ID and running it through the system. Like a robot, he blacked out. Now he’s clear again [if a zealot can ever get clear, mentally], with his 48 hours to concoct “his side” of the murderous tale, he blames the decedent.”
You really need to be educated on what are you are speaking about before posting on public blogs. I shudder to think what rolls out of your mouth in everyday life.
Last I checked, the Officers Statement and subsequent investigation had yet to be released. Can you please share where you found that? (Just send to TT please.)
Police have a radio worn on their shoulder that is connected to a communications division called dispatch. As soon as the 911 call came in and suspect description was in included, it would have been relayed over the radio to all officers in that district/sector. All officers would have also received same info from a flashing dispatch call log detailing calls for service on their laptops/mobile data units in the vehicles.
Searching for potential strong armed perpetrators doesn’t require an ID or background check. It’s actually considered a felony stop as the the crime is a FELONY.
Great idea for you—I think due to your thoughts on how horrific the police are in thus country, why don’t you apply to the police academy in your community.? It would be a great way for you to make a difference rather then complain about the system in place. However, be forewarned, there is a pesky psych test and polygraph you need to pass. Do you think you will encounter any issues?
CNN just confirmed that Michael Brown was shot 6 times-in the head and in the right arm-from the front, not the back. A second, independent autopsy was just completed by Dr Michael Baden, as requested by the family.
This community is exhausted. Can’t they call a cease fire for 48 hours so everyone can get some sleep? Clearly the situation has been mishandled by the police, by government involvement, and almost certainly by tv talking heads. Everyone needs some sleep and a fresh start.
Was it necessary to shoot him six times?
if he kept coming at the police officer after being told to stop, I guess so. I heard a statement where one witness thought the police officer was missing his target with his shots, as Michael Brown kept advancing.
Once an officer makes the decision to use his fire arm, the intent is to kill.
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 11:53 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Most certainly. He was a threat to the officer. What do you think would have happened if Michael or Dorian had somehow gotten that handgun? Some witnesses said both young men had wrestled with the police officer when they barricaded him inside the vehicle. The officer was fighting for his life!
I would use common sense and think that the only way to contain a threat to my life is to totally stop the threat. The bullets to the head did that.
End of threat.
There is no evidence that Dorian wrestled with the cop. I have him pegged for the run and hide type.
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Shots fired AT POLICE from those among the “peaceful protesters.” It’s the worst night so far.
The National Guard will be called in.
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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…stupid question, but why don’t people just go home instead of milling about, waiting for trouble to erupt?
As someone beautifully stated earlier. ..it’s our right. SMH
http://s17948.p858.sites.pressdns.com/2014/08/18/first-mike-brown-autopsy-reports-are-in/
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:34 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Y’all are welcome to continue conversations here as you feel necessary but given the breaking news, the majority of the conversation has moved to the new post here http://s17948.p858.sites.pressdns.com/2014/08/18/first-mike-brown-autopsy-reports-are-in/
Michael Brown is dead because of Michael Brown. Marijuana was found in his system and the autopsy also showed thart he WAS NOT shot in the back. He was shot while charging towards the officer. Michael assumed that since he bullied a much smaller person (the store clerk), he could get away with not only charging the officer but attenpting to get the officers’ gun. Stupid ass idiot. And his partner in crime is a liar. Typical. Retarded black ni**as will lie for each other and make up a story that paints them innocent.
Amen to the guy in the video.
Where are all you clowns when the real innocents are killed?
That absolutely is michael brown’s arrest report from Troy. Dob of 97 would make him 18; he was from Troy; and the prosecutor only said he didn’t have any previous “convictions” and according to casenet the armed robbery resulting in serious bodily injury charges were pending.
Shame on you championing a bullying thug who assaults 80 year olds and punches cops for your cockamamie cause.
Its sad mike was shot an killed.its sader all the people there for him now wasnt there to tell him not to Steal an bully people,where was his great dad then. Train your kids in the way they should go,an they will not depart from it