Today in a courtroom about five miles from my house, Justin Ross Harris, the father accused of felony murder for leaving his 22 month old son in a hot car for nearly 8 hours, attended a probable cause hearing, A judge heard part of the prosecution’s case and it was pretty chilling. I admit to dozing off during much of it, but I wanted to relate the important parts.
It was made clear that Harris was the one responsible for taking the child to daycare most mornings as it was right by his office. Some days the mother would pick the boy up from daycare earlier in the day. The morning routine was to stop at Chik=Fil-A for breakfast and then take the boy to daycare less than a mile from the Chik-Fil-A which was practically in the same complex as the office where Harris works. Harris parked the car and sat in the car for a full thirty seconds before getting out and going into his office.
While at work, Harris spent the day sexting with six different women. Approximately two weeks before, Harris had been sexting with a woman who knew he was married. She asked, ” Do you have a conscience?” He replied, “No.”
Computer searches revealed he was sending out pictures of his penis to a variety of women. He and his wife had both searched for information on how long it takes for a child to die in a hot car. He had also watched video online twice about “Living A Child-Free Life.”
Harris went to lunch with coworkers and they parked very close to his car when they returned. At some point while he was out of the office for lunch, he put some light bulbs in the front seat of the car with the dead child in the back seat. When he left he drove for approximately five minutes before pulling into a parking lot and “discovering” the dead boy in the back seat. In front of a crowd of people leaving work, he put on a histrionic performance attempting to give the boy CPR. Some witness said he would look to the sky and scream “What have I done?” crying in spurts and then acting completely normal for a stretch before doing it again. Officers arrested him on the spot.
On the day the boy died, the mother went to daycare only to discover that the boy was not there. Someone testified in court today that her response was, “Justin must have forgotten him in the car.” WTF?
In the courtroom today, Harris could not make eye contact with his church’s youth pastor who was there testifying as to his character during the bond portion of his hearing. His wife sat calmly chewing gum in the gallery. The wife showed no emotion at all and at times looked bored. Harris looked like someone who knew he was in trouble. He was not emotional during descriptions of his son’s death either. The grandparents were all despondent.
The judge found for the prosecution stating there was probable cause for the felony murder charge. Despite a youth minister and a co-worker giving positive character statements, the judge denied bond citing that the case is a potential death penalty case and Harris was returned to custody.
Sick fucks, the both of them.
The thing that concerns me in ATL… There was a short “blurb” in the (media),in the initial stages of investigating the Mom, stating how the Mom was sad but glad that her Son did not have to live/come back to this “World.” She used an adjective to describe “This World,” but I can’t remember it and don’t want to falsify anything… Tam, do you remember/seeing/hearing this, ATL reporting?
Chilling indeed. No words really… May the the little boy rest in peace.
I think the mother was involved, and maybe they are sweating the guy in order to get him to say it was a conspiracy and she was part of it.
I just feel sick inside. These people hated being parents so much….they chose a method of murder that was so inhumane. …that I can hardly accept the fact that there are people of such cruelty walking among us. I can’t type anymore.
That poor little boy to be born to parents that don’t give a sh#@. How that baby must have suffered. It brings tears to my eyes just to read the above. I hope the judge throws the book at both of them .. Then they have to answer to GOD for what they did. I pray that little boy is at peace in heaven with his Heavenly Father who really and forever loves him.
This is beyond sad and horrific. Bless that beautiful baby’s heart.
Jane velez is starting now and it’s about this case. You can see most of the court stuff from today.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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What a dear little baby. Who could believe such an angelic looking child could come from such an evil and fugly father?
I somehow missed the part that one of the “women” he was sexting with was 17 and they had been sexting and exchanging nude photos for a year.
He spent time in a “subreddit” about living child free…
Wow.
I watched this and I can’t help but think the mother is involved as well. She’s just too calm.
How has she not been charged? Maybe once they get him they will turn their attention to the mother. I know the evidence is circumstantial against the mother so far, but I can’t help but think she knew about ‘the plan’.
Just to clarify, the ”child free” forum is for people who decide NOT to ever have kids in the first place. Hell would be to good of a place for this piece of garbage.
Damn, people are just sick. I will never be able to wrap my head around shit like this.
Cooper was just to the stage he was starting to speak. Wonder if that played a part in the timing of this. For a whopping $27,000 insurance money.
I’ve never understood people who take out life insurance on a baby. I wonder how long it will be before the mother is arrested.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Hopefully it’s happening as we speak
TT, I took a Life Insurance Policy on my daughter just before she turned 11 .
It’s a Universal Life Policy which had a base benefit of $25,000 then doubled to $50,000 when she turned 18 last year. Then it turns to $100,000 when she turns 25.
My reasoning was that (1) up till the child turns 12, the premium will be fixed and lowest she’ll ever have, (2) the Policy builds a nice cash value which is presently around $3,700 and will grow at a faster pace after the 12th year. It’s a nice little nest egg for her which she can borrow on and if she can’t pay it back, she’ll still have the death benefit (the thought does sicken me !) as long as the low interest is paid annually, (3) I turned it over to her on her 18th birthday so now she controls who the beneficiary (ies) are while I still pay the Premium, (4) it’s was nice little gift to give her when she turned 18.
It’s hers to do as she pleases. I spent a few years in the insurance industry after I left my CFO job when she was born and sold policies with a flexible schedule when she started 1st grade.
It’s a nice little vehicle for her to have as an early asset and I know some day she may need money that is hers & here alone. I was so glad I had one when I was going thru my divorce, esp since I’d been disabled (from DV) and fighting to get Spousal & Child Support ! I always think it important for kids, (especially daughters) to have some “F-You” money they can easily get their hands on. When I bought mine at age 20, I’d planned it for my mid-40s facelift 🙂 !
I hope that my info explains why MOST parents purchase life insurance for their children. The sooner the better for Universal Policies— that cash (loan) value sure adds up. It’s not terribly expensive and the cash/loan doesn’t affect the benefit.
Absolutely no disrespect intended, but any legitimate financial planner (ie, not someone that sells insurance or makes any $ selling investments) would say that insurance for a child is a bad investment. Especially “whole” or “universal” policies.
Term insurance is the way to go, and only for those folks whose death would cause financial hardship – ie, in a situation where you have a stay at home mom to young children, you want to insure the dad so the mom has income to raise the kids, and on the mom so that the dad could pay for the care of said children (in the event one spouse is lost).
If you want your child to have some cash, you’d be far better off to put aside money in a custodial account (only you can access the account) – put that cash into a no-load Stock Index fund (S&P 500 fund is my favorite) and watch it grow by 10% a year – the highest yielding investment with a 90 year track record.
You should go calculate the actual return on investment (ROI) on the “savings” portion of that insurance “investment”, it’s either negative or very very low.
I advise college students on personal finance – insurance and “where to invest” portion is a huge part of the lecture.
Again, no disrespect aimed at you and I applaud you for thinking of your child’s well-being, but I have very little respect for people that sell these policies to parents.
And we can agree to disagree!
The only reason ever to by a life insurance policy is to insure income for someone who would be financially affected by a death. On rare occasions such as a family history of childhood illnesses it may be advisable to offset funeral costs.
If you are saving for a kid, pretty much any actual INVESTMENT like a 529 is what normal people do. Buying life insurance on a baby in macabre.
On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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My husband’s company gives $25,000 life insurance for spouses and $5,000 for each child. It does not come out of his paycheck it’s a perk. We did have a son that went into a coma at three days old and we were told by doctors he was going to die (he didn’t. He is now 21 and healthy and happy). I suppose we would have used the $5,000 for his funeral and probably had nothing left over.
I would never have gotten Insurance on my children otherwise. It seems really strange, like your children are a business decision. It’s suspicious.
She is so calm when you watch her in court. She’s either a dumby or guilty or both.
Through my work I have a very low cost policy on myself (a large pay out, in the event someone would have to take over the raising of my children) and a 10,000 policy for each of my children in the event they should die and I would have to have someone else plan and pay for a funeral because I assure you, I would be so leveled by grief I am not sure how I would ever get out of bed – let alone make those arrangements. There is one good reason to have a small policy on a child, and that is it.
Like everyone else this story makes me physically ill. That adoption wasn’t an option for them tells us everything we need to know about them. Interesting that they find the world is too cruel for their child but not enough for them to bow out.
The weirdest part for me was that supposedly they had a hard time conceiving and at some point really wanted a child.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I bet he was researching “involuntary manslaughter” too.
This is too sad for words.
This level of evil is mind, body and soul numbing…
I had a gut feeling there was something really wrong with this couple when everyone came to their defense about how “perfect” they were. Like JVM said, usually when a family projects perfection to the world, they are hiding darkness behind closed doors.
I chose NOT to have kids. But when they described the condition of the child’s body when pulled from the car, I cried. The cold-blooded, heartless monster of a dad showed NO emotion. He only “cried” when the defense spoke about what a great dad he was. It was like watching Jodi Arias all over again…..crying with no tears, and looking straight into the camera.
I was glad to hear that one of dads internet searches was *how to survive prison* I hope he paid attn because I think he will be in one for a long time. Survival tip for this guy involves scraped knees and chapped lips.
Me too Steve.
I watched parts of it and just cried and cried. Seeing as I had just come from the viewing and funeral of my neighbors 9 year old son who died Tuesday from cancer, it really affected me. To know that there are 2 people grieving for a son they wanted just across the street and watching a man who deliberately left his child to suffer a horrible death, just did me in. Death by lethal injection is too kind for him, put him in a hot car and see how long he lasts.
Sorry to hear about your neighbor’s loss. Prayers to the family.
If I were the judge, my sentencing would entail putting both parents in a black car, on the hottest day in August, in a newly asphalted Walmart parking lot, with all doors welded shut.
other very disturbing piece of info is that when the mother got to the police station (she went straight there instead of making any attempt to see her child), she said something to the father like “Did you say too much?” WTF!?!? She has to be going down with him. She just HAS to!
RE: Emma
No disrespect taken 🙂 !
Actually, my ex is a Broker & he had no issue with her policy. He started as an regular broker who did do personal planning, then went into handlinginstitutional trades only (Banks, S & L, Unions and the like). Of course we opened a 529 (I think that’s what it’s called, it was a college fund type account).
I understand purchasing Life insurance for a newborn does sound macabre, but as I stated, lowest premiums can be purchased before 12 and never increases. I thought it best to buy while it was so low.
In any event, it’s hers now, though I still keep paying her premiums. I have no idea who her beneficiary is/are. That’s up to her.
But, I can understand why some people feel the way they do.
I do love the idea of “fuck-you” money!!!
Okay, I haven’t commented when this was originally posted, but ewww… Gross… WHO would want to see Justin Harris’s peen ??? I can hardly even look at his face 🙁