We are back with Lindsay and AJ her life coach in her new luxurious hoarder home. Her sobriety coach was hired for a month and left to go back to the west coast last week. We already see Lindsay in a talking head trying to blame him for what is about to happen. #addictbehavior
Lindsay is really trying to get some work. She has been talking to producer, Randall Emmett about starring in the movie Inconceivable. Or so says the “Docuseries.” The only proof this is even a thing is this story from E! 
Lindsay Lohan made her first Sundance Film Festival appearance in Park City, Utah, on Monday, Jan. 20, to announce her next big project.While attending a press conference, the 27-year-old actress revealed she would be starring in a new film called Inconceivable. What’s more, the gal will also be producing the movie.”I’ve never had the honor of coming here before … to bring something to the table, which is starting fresh for me,” said Lohan. “It’s a nice change to be back among people that are in the industry that I’ve been in since I was a kid.”
Lohan described Inconceivable, scheduled to begin shooting in March, as a psychological thriller about a woman trying to reclaim something she lost. No director or costars have been announced.
A crew from Oprah Winfrey’s OWN Network was on hand to shoot the press conference so that it can be included in the Mean Girls star’s upcoming docu-series Lindsay, which is scheduled to premiere March 9 on OWN.
There is the stupidest IMDb listing I have ever seen. And it all looks like a pile of happy horseshit to me. Randall Emmett has a similarly weird IMDb listing with at least 9 films in “pre-production.” I too have a role as a Brazilionaire blogger currently in “pre-production.” I am now officially losing faith in this crap.
Lindsay is full of shit in her talking heads. I no longer believe her. Somehow, AJ who is Lindsay’s “life coach” is now trying to help her book gigs. Last week she was telling her to man up and get out there and now she is enabling. She clearly has better contacts because she is at least pretending to be on the phone with DeVon Franklin who is the Senior VP of production at Columbia Pictures. Which trumps this Randall character by a million miles and speaks volumes about Lindsay being able to get anyone on the phone. Lindsay talked to him privately and he was “the nicest person in the world.” She says he said they think she is the most talented actress there is! Lindsay again blames her agents. Bear in mind we heard NONE of this. He is not so nice that he wants his opinion on OWN.
The “docuseries” directors inform us via text that Lindsay is still “waiting” for her furniture to arrive after 18 days. So to um, pass some time, she decides to sell some of her clothes. You know, as one does when waiting over two weeks for furniture. Oh, What’s that? You have to be flat broke to be selling things? Oh honey you’re preaching to the choir! Wanna buy my used panties? Because…they were just folded by my production team!
Okay let’s continue to suspend disbelief on this here docuseries just like we do on the crappyass writing from those folks on The Blacklist. I like this show, so we must forge ahead. Perhaps Lilo will donate her sales money to the poor orphans in Afghanistan.
Of course Matt is moving the boxes into the consignment shop. While it makes sense to sell or oh I dunno donate some clothes… Matt himself has a hard time explaining this scene. Apparently, Lilo’s building is above a consignment shop for rich people. Lindsay shows up and goes shopping. It’s addictive. She buys more than she leaves. When she goes upstairs to get more bags all I can think of is how much coke there must me in her handbags. You know she doesn’t clean them out. I miss the 80s. And coke. What? Just saying! She ends up buying more clothes than she put on consignment.
Even more boxes arrive.
Lindsay is asleep or out of it or something. The apartment is a shithole. There is five times the amount of stuff that the apartment can hold.
Michael, her sober coach said last week. CHAOS is bad for an addict. Well it is chaos. They are literally putting boxes of clothes in her bathroom. No one could ever where this many clothes. Yet she is convicted for stealing more.
Matt seems to be enabling a bit telling AJ to help him calm her down when she sees it all. He thinks they are just going to go through it and get it out of there. I do not.
It is a hoarder mess of excess. Matt tells them she is refusing to come out and tape after she sees all the boxes. Matt says she wants production to leave on a scheduled work day. Costing everyone money and time. She has been holed up in her bedroom with a 19 year old male model Liam Dean.
This entire moving situation is a clusterfuck. Lindsay has agreed to let the cameras stay. They take most everything they loaded into the apartment and put it back on the truck. Furniture is missing. They can’t find the boxes of bedding. This is why normal people pair down when they are moving out. Nobody should be paying to have crap they don’t want or need shipped cross-country like that.
Lindsay is going to LA to meet with some Hollywood folks. She plans to be there a week but doesn’t seem to know what day she is coming back. She will be staying with AJ at her place in LA. Lindsay is getting a bit snippy with AJ. AJ is trying to keep Lindsay focused and Lindsay seems resentful. AJ confronts Lindsay saying that her mother told her she had been drinking. Lindsay denies it. She is angry that AJ brought it up on camera. She denies being angry. Lindsay went to LA for a week and refused to be filmed. She did not contact AJ at all.
Lindsay returns from LA amid numerous tabloid photos and stories that she had been partying while she was there. She denies it. Lindsay says she had one glass of wine a month earlier. No one believes this, not even Lindsay.
Lindsay did not show up for any of the meetings in LA. She meets with AJ to attempt to explain why she stood up the guy she arranged for her to meet with. And also why she didn’t stay with AJ or bother to contact her at all. She overslept for her 12:30 pm appointment.
The next day, Lindsay refuses to keep her meeting with AJ. AJ is super frustrated. AJ quits. Lindsay says in an interview that she thought that AJ disrespected her by bringing up personal things on camera. So this is not going well.
New Week: It looks like Lindsay has a small party at her new apartment.
Although I know she is really screwed up, I have been rooting for her. After this last episode, I do not see she is even trying to change. She has been provided so much assistance to help with sobriety and lifestyle transition, and she has just pissed it away instead of using to her advantage. I so wanted to see a person better than the one that seemed disrespected by media. I wanted her to overcome because she is talented and has had a screwed up family life.
Can you even believe what a disaster this is? I watch it with my mouth hanging open…Unreal
Shopping can be just as addictive as alcohol, and she obviously has a very addictive personality (disorder). What upset me more than Lindsay being so irresponsible was Dina encouraging her.
No one encourages her to live a normal, responsible life. She could have 100% turned her career and public perception around if she’d used this documentary to show the world that she gets up at, say 8am (2 hours later than most people during the week), goes running, has a lunch date with friends, maybe an alcohol free dinner party… anything NORMAL. Instead she’s used this show to confirm and cement every single perception the world has of her: she doesn’t get out of bed until after 4pm unless forced and dragged, she has nothing in her life together or organized, she’s still a no-show on set and cancels work days. And drinks. And hangs out with questionable people. I have seen NOTHING redeemable in these episodes.
So Oprah, what exactly is being accomplished here except for the final nail in the coffin and more $$ in YOUR account?
With the ratings for this show at a all time low. The money oprah invested, the New York apartment, Lindsey salary two million dollars, the travel and food comps, the film crew and everything it cost to have a film crew on location, the sober coach, the assistant, the list goes on. I think Oprah is losing money on Lindsey.
So, if you’re open to a different way of seeing this… She’s an alcoholic. And it’s a disease. I’m not making excuses for her, but the disease is more powerful than a reality show… More powerful than oprah! It takes a lot to stay sober and from what I’ve seen, Lindsay didn’t maintain her sobriety after rehab.. Hence the replapse. Alcoholics don’t just relapse on booze, the thinking and behavior return, too. That’s what we saw in this episode. And now it’s out of her control. It’s actually sad and scary.. We’re watching someone die from an illness. How do I know all this? I’m an alcoholic, too
I understand the alcoholism, from personal experience as well. I also know that long term alcoholism changes the brain, so that the blaming and victim playing and irresponsibility just sort of become part of them – and I know from experience that it is INCREDIBLY frustrating dealing with alcoholics who you love. There were times when LIndsay starts jabbering the blame game and I get super tensed up and realize I am reliving conversations from not long ago. My experience is partly why I am so mad that no one was getting her out of the consignment store, instead they took part in the excitement (and Dina picked things out she wanted too, because Spending Lindsay’s Money, YAY!). I also think it was a HUGE mistake to take this on directly out of rehab, and I think Lindsay has been trying to explain that in previous episodes, that she made a mistake (so her brain DOES work). Oprah has enough experience to know better, so I actually don’t think she’s doing this to help Lindsay: If Lindsay recovers, Oprah continues being a goddess who can fix ANYTHING, if Lindsay doesn’t, then the poor girl is just too far gone but not Oprah’s fault!
However, just because alcohol can make you an unlikeable person, it doesn’t mean every alcoholic was likeable beforehand. If Cliffside is worth 1/10 it’s price, they teach everyone to stop the blame game, and Lindsay hasn’t learned anything but spouting the words out, not the actual practice. If she had, she’d be getting up early, working out, going to lunch, playing miniature golf, going to scheduled work meetings (!!!!) and doing whatever it took to show she’s a turned-around responsibile recovering alcoholic. That’s not what is happening. I blame her parents, yes, and her hangers-on, yes, but she also HAS to take responsibility for herself. Bad parents can still produce spectacular offspring. In the end, this is all on Lindsay.
If she doesnt care about herself, why should anybody else?
It was only a matter of time…
Poor Linds.
Leave her alone, maybe she’ll write a trilogy.
Oh Gawd….I can’t stop laughing!!!
Lindsay is a classic example of when everyone in the addict’s life works harder than the addict for their own success. The only way I see Lindsay ever pulling off a successful life is if everyone backs off and let’s her figure life out on her own.
Fuck Oprah in the ear for airing this.
I believe that Oprah should have helped someone who really deserved the help and appreciated more than Lindsey appears to. There are so many suffering that can’t even get any help.
But who’s to say who deserves treatment and who doesn’t? Not me! I hear you, but are you open to a different opinion? I know you think Lindsay doesn’t appreciate the help, but she does. As a sober person, I can tell you from experience that the disease of addiction is far bigger than celebrity and money. It’s an illness that centers in the mind… what we’re witnessing is what the disease is all about. I didn’t wake up in the morning and say “I know, I’ll drink myself into a psych ward today.” The booze was treating my symptoms. If you’re interested to read more, check out my website. Also, if you aren’t, what if Lindsay was your sister or your daughter or your best friend? Wouldn’t you want the best for her, regardless of her past? I think it’s easy for all of us to judge from the outside, but no one understands what’s going on in someone’s brain except that person.. ya know? Listen, I’m not criticizing you or even expecting you to think differently. People still think addiction is a moral weakness… All I’m asking for is an open mind or a little willingness to at learn more about it.
I agree teecee. Fuck Oprah.
Sad…and oh so predictable.
I don’t understand Oprah’s motivation for airing this. It’s a clearly self destructive situation which isn’t something Oprah typically likes to promote on her channel. There’s nothing uplifting about this situation. Lindsay wasn’t living a sober life just barely a month out of rehab. Did Lindsay just piss Oprah off to the point that this is Oprah getting her revenge?
I did not understand AJ’s role at all. She lit candles, cooked breakfast, and unpacked. Lindsay identified her as a “friend.” Lindsay was annoyed when AJ asked her personal questions and said that she was upset that a “friend” would treat her this way. Memo to Lindsay, she is not a friend; she is there to get your life back on course. I’m not clear if AJ has ever worked with a resistant or addicted client before. She seems quite inexperienced. She is angry with Lindsay and is took everything personally. She is the life coach, not a friend, not a parent.
I agree Angel, I am rooting for her too. She was forced into treatment and I thought that she had changed when she agreed to this show and I suspect Oprah was hoping that as well; however, she is still stuck in the disease.
Her mother is an addict as well. Did anyone see her on Dr. Phil. She was clearly on something and her father has addiction issues. I can see how they would not be supportive because they would have to look at their own issues.
I feel for Matt because he wants to help her but has no idea how to work with an addict. If she had any intention of going through the boxes and putting stuff away, she would have put away the crap left out before the new boxes arrived. I think her next appearance should be on hoarders.
“…She seems quite inexperienced. She is angry with Lindsay and is took everything personally. She is the life coach, not a friend, not a parent.” My Aunt is a “life coach”, she tried her “coaching” on me at one point and time and IMO it’s hogwash & horseshit. But there was a “life coach” and different person as a sobriety coach for Lindsey for good reason. My understanding is a “life coach” is there to help you run/improve a business and your life at the same time, which is not always an easy thing to do. But dealing with addiction is not something I would expect most “life coach” type people to be trained for or used to dealing with on the regular. Someone must have a successful enough business (or an Aunt that wants you to buy into some stupid new age magic wand pyramid scheme and when you tell her you don’t have the $$, she offers to “coach” you so you won’t have to worry about fundage ever again…I digress, sorry) to even afford the outrageous rates some life coaches charge, crack heads don’t typically fit into this category and if you’re a coke head business owner, guess where your money is going? …not to the “life coach”
Sorry, sub business professional for business owner, life coaches will take anyone’s money, not just business owners. My bad.
She is one sorry little Girl. No class,education and no Brain. Someone please order an MRI something is wrong. Or is Disney
Doing something to these Kids?
Yes, they are giving them millions of dollars as children when they have no parents and no life skills. Anyone in that situation would have ended up in crisis. If it happened to you I would hope people would show you more compassion than you show Lindsay.
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Compassion? It’s hard to have compassion for someone who acts like the world revolves around them. She acts as if the world owes her something. Lindsay has had numerous chances to get her life together! At some point, one has to take responsibility for their actions. I have yet to see Lindsay do anything but play the blame game.
“We must learn to regard people less in the light of what they do or omit to do, and more in the light of what they suffer.”
Compassion? It’s hard to have compassion for someone who acts like the world revolves around them. She acts as if the world owes her something. Lindsay has had numerous chances to get her life together! At some point, one has to take responsibility for their actions. I have yet to see Lindsay do anything but play the blame game. Additionally, many people suffering from addiction would give they’re life for one iota of an opportunity Lindsay has has let slide through her fingertips! My compassion for this girl left a long time ago!
Yesssss.. People forget that a) she has a disease and b) they would want sympathy, too. Or how different it might be if Lindsay was their sister or best friend. Good blog post, btw!!
Wow it is horrible to watch! From mental standpoint Lindsay is acting just the way that should be expected. She has damaged her brain with so much chemical abuse. I felt like a rubber necking fool. I couldn’t turn away.
It reminded me of the man who was attacked by an ax ( his son did it). The man although dying minute by minute continued to his normal routine. He fixed breakfast, went out to retrieve his morning paper off the porch, and finally collapsed and died from the wounds that had been inflicted earlier.
Lindsay’s shopping is just a habitual thing her broken mind is familiar with a habit. Her sad entourage can’t help. She needs to resolve to a quiet life but everyone is pushing her back to the dangerous path that distroyed her in the first place.
This program is the worst kind of voyeurism…like watching someone kill themselves. I am not an Oprah fan but I know her brand is strong so she will not be held accountable for her part in this train wreck. I hope this stops her from making anymore “docuseries” trying to fix people who need more than the great O’s intervention. Lindsay needs a long stint in rehab followed by intensive outpatient therapy by a qualified professional not hired as an extra in her life.
But she had a long stint it rehab (I think it was 90 days)? Even though she is an adult, she is surrounded by enablers. I think she is incapable of making the right choices. Either that or she prefers to be an addict. I think this show was supposed to show her in a positive light post rehab, but maybe it was too soon? I don’t know, I just feel sorry for her.
I think she checked out before she completed any of her multiple rehab stints. She needs to stick and stay. No publicity just go. Recovery is hard enough without all the pressure. She also needs to bid adieu to the hanger on’rs and burn her address books, change her # and tell her parents she needs some space from them and their baggage while she takes this journey towards sobriety. Get rid of “yes” people and learn “no” can come from a place of love.
Meh, my cable doesn’t have “O” (is that what it’s called?). I didn’t even know it was airing until I saw this post so I was trying to get a feel for how it rolls. I’m switching providers next month so if it’s on I’ll check it out but honestly I feel really bad for Lindsay Lohan. I don’t think I want to see it if she’s still just spiraling and not getting any “real” help, she needs it.
It’s OWN and I would think O would make sure all providers have it. It’s way up there in the numbers… on Dish it is like 189 or something.
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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I’ll look for it but I don’t think it’s there, we’re on a pretty limited cable plan until next month. I’ve been keeping up with Real Housewives of Melbourne so I do have my ways, I’ll check out an episode, if it’s too painful I’ll fast forward 😉
So, I haven’t caught this show yet but I’m getting that Oprah hired these coaches and paid for the move in order to “help” Lindsey, not exploit her? Seems like that backfired and Oprah now needs ear plugs, but that explains how Oprah got in bed with this train wreck. Another person in addition to the life coach who had no clue what the reality of dealing with an addict is like until Lindsey entered. I want a $100mil bubble like Oprah’s!! But really, you can’t fault her for lumping Lindsey in with the African orphans on Oprah’s “who can I help fix next” list. I’m sure her intentions were good and if it had worked the ratings would be through the roof. Everyone and their mama would be tuning in to see a functioning, miracle Lindsey re-climb the Hollywood ladder of sucess…if only…
Oprah didn’t pay for any of the help. Lindsay’s sober coach came from Cliffside and the life coach was some former reality person. Her assistant is someone she hired. Oprah just put cameras on her and filmed in sort of a let’s watch what happens kind of way.
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Well then, I’m with teecee66…Fuck Oprah in the ear for airing this. I haven’t even seen it but if it wasn’t done in an intervention type tone (which is what I would’ve expected from O) but a let’s try to bump up ratings and air a train wreck tone I’m disappointed. Apparently Oprah forgot how she got those ratings which built her billion in the first place, maybe she needs a reminder that it wasn’t Jerry Springer style.
I think you really need to actually watch a show before condemning it. /shrugs
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Somehow my post went up, wrong button.
At least LiLo doesn’t seem mean spirited. Some people get recovery quickly, some slowly, but it’s rarely pretty. I wouldn’t write her off . And frankly, some of you seem a bit cold and heartless.
Was the sobriety coach employed by Cliffside? That Cliffside would co-sign airing a documentary about a child-star who has just come out of rehab by sending a member of their staff to participate (which, they have – as even if the coach wasn’t theirs, they paid for sponsorship via ad space) is only an affirmation that they are complete imposters in their work. Please find me another professional in addiction who would EVER suggest publicizing this process. I find Lindsay completely insufferable in this series – but I will say I felt for her in her interactions with AJ in this episode. It seemed apparent that she trusted AJ and considered her a friend. Although she does need to be held accountable for her actions, I think she is right to feel betrayed by AJ’s motives in choosing a moment in front of the cameras to out her as having broken her sobriety. I felt like I saw her moment of realization that no one was helping her to help her. Even this was just another opportunity for a life coach trying to make good on the OWN network. A spin-off opportunity perhaps? 1 hour a week watching AJ provide coaching to C and D list celebs? Not sure I would be able to keep it together either surrounded by the gang of jackals that is her family and team.
Lindsay relasped when she pulled her veneer out to go to the dentist to get a fix. It was a wrap then. It was not a life-threatening procedure. Addicts who are serious about their recovery would not have risked the exposure to drugs over a veneer. TV show or not.
I agree. I am friends w/a pill addict. During her “sober” periods she often claims to get “hurt” in clumsy ways that end w/ her getting something from a doctor to help w/ the pain just for a few days. Sometimes I think she self harms herself just to have an excuse to go the doctor.
I’ve always said that with those parents of hers, how can anyone wonder why she is the mess that she is? They continue to be bad influences on her, and honestly, I think their main concern is that she continues to make money so they can continue to mooch off of her. I really don’t believe that they have her best interests at heart, and she is doomed as long as she continues to keep them around her. At least not until she gets a good year or two of true sobriety. I mean really, why was her mom drinking around her? Her mom needs to be in long term treatment as well, which is another reason that I think deep down she still wants Lindsay to fail… so she can continue to party with her with Lindsay footing the bill.
I’m FRUSTRATED with the folks that don’t wonder why she doesn’t just get it together. It SHOULD be easier for her because she has people doing her bidding and folding her underpants. But she has ALWAYS had that. That is her normal.
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 11:41 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Maybe that’s her problem. This is something she can’t delegate. She has to do it herself and she never learned how to put on her big girl panties. Going from dependent to independent is not easy if all you have around you are enablers. Look at MJ. He never was able to transition to big boy because of enablers and it cost him his life. Going from a child superstar to a grounded adult takes a good support system. Many don’t make it and if LiLo doesn’t straighten out she may end up as very sad has been missing the limelight and doing something really stupid.
Her parents are awful. Britney Spears had a father who was able to step in and get her together again. Lindsey has no one, and it’s sad, sad, sad. I keep hoping she’ll pull a Robert Downey Jr, but with no one to really support her, it seems unlikely. And lookout, but it appears Justin Bieber is going down that same road.
You are so right, look at Amanda Bynes(sp). Her parents stepped in and took control and it’s because she has responsible, intelligent parents that she is doing well today, she was more messed up than Lindsey.
I feel sorry for Lindsay. She gained fame n stardom early. Her view of Reality is skewed. I’m sorry that shes addicted. She needs to take personal responsibility n find her way. If she doesnt she will jist be another lost soul n zombie wandering around in the streets. This is a chance to rebrand herself. She needs to take the opp to make positive changes. She makes people want to forget her and her spoiled self entitled ways. Shes not doing herself any favors by coming across as a spoiled hoarder who has to have people next to her or with her to unpack her clothes and keep her sober and wake her up before 4pm. I predict she will try a little, but she will not overcome this situation shei in. She needs a true blue friend and not yes men n women around her. Oprah was right by telling her to cut the bullshit. Shee needs to get over herself, before she loses it all. Coddling her will not help. It will enable her and her relapses. She will only be on her way back up after she hits her rock bottom.
I sincerely hope my prediction is wrong about Lindsay. It makes me sad to think about her going down the tubes. How can she win if people around her are enablding her saying. Yes, its okay to party when she clearly has problems with it. Its like shes standing near a cliff and who should she listen toto, the person who tells her go ahead n take that next drink…or the one who loves her and wants her to see her better and recover. Having yes men around u is dangerous. It makes you feel invincible. The Woman takes the drink. Then the drink takes her. I hope and pray she comes out of this situation. But, thus far, its not looking too good. Cmon Linsay! Try really hard. It may be your last shot girl.
I don’t understand why people think she’s so talented? She may have been as a child but what has she done as an “adult” that was decent or could be considered as talent?
And as far as “recovery”, clearly the plushest Rehabs didn’t do a thing. Bottom line is, the message is the same at a rehab in Malibu, or a Salvation Army program. If she doesn’t apply what has been drilled in her head a million times, it will never matter! Nothing changes if nothing changes! The rehabs have done their part…but she’s yet to do hers! It’s kinda like it’s my job as a parent to provide my kids with food, but I cant make them eat it. She’s exhausting.
I have got to start watching this show!
It sounds as if all she’s well on her way to “A Very Special Episode of Hoarders” If she ever gets a kitten I’m giving up. You’ll just know it’s only a matter of time before the house reeks of cat pee, there are flattened cats that got trapped under towering piles of clothes from high end boutiques (with the tags still on), and her freezer is stuffed with “friends” who’ve passed away. I can so see it happening.
In response to the comments, suggesting Lindsay should lose her financial support or personal belongings in order to ‘see the light’ and beat this addiction, I can only say, look to our streets. The majority of homeless people struggle with addiction or mental health issues. Taking a person’s money away will not snap them into reality. The only difference between a homeless person and a rich person struggling with addiction is that money hides the affects. The person has to want to beat the disease; enablers allow the addict to stop fighting. Providing shelter is not enabling, hiding parking tickets, being a ‘friend’ instead of a life coach, and drinking around the addict is enabling.
Every time I watch this series I have one thought that keeps running through my mind, “Those lying eyes.” They give her away every time.
Her self-inflicted suffering is nothing in comparison to many others that made it through hell and back (Sudan, Rwanda, numerous wars, atrocities, torture…) and managed to become productive adults. Same goes for other former addicts. I think it’s offensive to even call this “suffering” (unless speaking about the viewers) But this show, which i think is her last hope, is not helping either and Oprah should recognize that and assign a true “coach” (a stern dr.phil type) to help her and show other addicts how to recover and stay sober, not how to slowly blow your brains out!!!
P.s. funny how they are showing her selling her crap where as my mention of it was mocked and dismissed!
In my opinion, a lot of things you say should be mocked and dismissed. Like this post which discounts the suffering of another because others suffered worse fates.
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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First of all relax and take one of your pills! You seem to dismiss everything and everybody…why even have a section for comments???
it is not suffering at this point any longer! So that word is not appropriate… that’s all. Maybe it was at one point but now it’s a joke…only she is not in on it…
What’s with a weird stance on LL’s behalf???
I don’t dismiss everything and everybody. Just a lot of idiots and assholes. You are simply here for my amusement at this point.
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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having compassion for someone sometimes means you have to call them out on their bullshit. I’m kind of shocked you’re having a problem with that TT, since that’s usually right up your alley.
I totally think she should be called out. I am pretty sure I said that in my blog when AJ did it. AJ did exactly what she needed to do and Lindsay is in full blown denial. It’s not pretty. I am talking about the sort of compassion that is not SPEWING VITRIOL like some of these commenters. Or saying that you have to be dying of Ebola in West Africa to deserve compassion. She clearly has major issues that could result in her premature death. I don’t think hateful words are going to help. That’s all.
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:52 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Hey Anna! I can see why you might think this way, but would you be willing to hear a different opinion? I wrote about my struggle with addiction (you can check out my website if you want) in order to help folks understand what addiction’s all about. Maybe you know someone with addiction or maybe you don’t, and maybe you’ll never change your mind.. that’s up to you. People thought the Earth was flat for a long time, too.. and I do not mean that to criticize you…just showing an example of how convinced we can be of things prior to investigation 🙂
I think one of the pieces some people seem to be confused by is Oprah’s role in this. Oprah is the producer. She has a team that is working with Lindsay (when she will film). Oprah meets with Lindsay here and there. Oprah does not see the daily footage. She had concerns brought forth by the production crew, spoke to Lindsay about them, and trusts that Lindsay will do what she says she will do and wants. Oprah is not her parent. I am sure production would provide Lindsay with whatever resources she requires (new life coach, counsellor, back to treatment). Lindsay is the one who has to control her addiction. The documentary allows us a glimpse into this one addict’s life to reflect on our own, helps others we see in the same situation, and bear witness to Lindsay’s experience. The fact that she has assistants to fold her panties does not equal relapse. She will relapse (or not) because she is not using the tools she learned in treatment. She will relapse because her support systems (mother, friends, father) will encourage her to go back to her old behaviours. It is very easy for us to respond in a paternalistic way, to penalize her, to strip her of her belongings, to yell at her; however, none of that works. What works is reminding the addict that they can make the changes they needed.
Doesn’t the addict have to WANT to make changes?
You bet they do Tootsie, I mentioned that in an earlier post.
“Distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful”
—Friedrich Nietzsche
Kishmish;
You’re growing on me, hon.
I never thought that I would relate to Lindsey, but I do. Not wealth wise, but she seems crippled by anxiety. I can totally relate because I have a similar feeling when I walk into my laundry room or closet and just can’t figure out where to start. It may sound crazy but it has a ripple effect on every aspect of your life. Sometimes it’s just easier to close your bedroom door and tune the world out. Very unhealthy indeed.
Ah the essence of anxiety. Feeling overwhelmed. Not being able to figure out what to do first. The frightening aspect of “what to do next?” Eat? Workout? clean the kitchen? go for a walk? What should I do first? Prioritizing tasks that were never a problem. Suddenly, you can’t figure out what to do in what order. It’s paralyzing. And it freaks you the fuck out because this was never a problem before.
I get it.
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Linsdey does not seem to appreciate the miracle that she has been given to stay sober. There are so many people that would appreciate even the chance to go to rehab let alone all of the extra help both financially and emotionally that she has received!
It’s sort of like this: You know the guy on the subway spewing stuff about Jesus? He didn’t wake up in the morning and go: “I’m mentally ill. Today I am going to ride the subway and yell at people about Jesus.” His reality is the only reality he knows… when I was drinking, I was sure that alcohol was helping me (ease the symptoms of my alcoholism like anxiety, fear and depression), not causing things to get worse. Alcohol was my solution.. unfortunately, it’s also an addictive substance that I abused and suffered consequences from. The miracle is not the circumstances surrounding an addict.. the miracle is when the person has hit rock bottom and for a split second wants to be sober more than messed up. Again, please don’t see my replies as disrespect. I totally understand why you think this way… I’m just saying what the public knows and what’s really going on are two different things. I hope by posting to open people’s minds just a little bit. 🙂
I get it too, Tamara. I have a very difficult time leaving the house. I see aDr and everything. Sometimes it’s just too much. The showering,the makeup and hair, then the anxiety of what I’ll encounter when I leave. It’s all too much some days.
Last year, we had my alcoholic brother staying with us for 6 months. He has cirrosis of the liver and Hep C. He is in the end stages. We got him on his meds, Drs, etc. totally drained our savings, but he was up and out of bed and the terrible bloating went down and he was able to walk again. My husband put a battery in his car, and bought a chainsaw from my brother that we didn’t even need. Bunch of other stuff too. We didn’t want to just hand a grown man money. Always looking out for his “dignity”. Well, you all know what happened after getting his car battery and a little money in his pocket. After all those months of being near death, in and out of ICU, of course, he used the money we gave him to go and buy a bottle. I was devastated. The thing is, I have bad health problems my self. Bleeding ulcers, scoliosis like a cork screw, and more. I almost killed myself taking care of him. Not so much as a thank you. I got called bitch, nurse ratchet, and worst of all Quasemoto.
I thought I didn’t have to hear that one anymore, since I’m not in Jr High.
This is long. I’m sorry.
All I’m saying is that you can help and help and nearly kill yourself trying. They will only use your kindness as a way to get their drug of choice.
My Dr actually yelled at me and told me to get that sosiopath out of my home before HE or IT killed me. We used the last of our savings to get him in a mobile home that he had found. We paid all of his bills and deposits. That was last Nov. I haven’t heard a word from him. It breaks my heart.
Sorry for the novel guys.