Looks like this might be our trial instead of Andrea Sneiderman? This kid is just such a sad story. Seems like he is ruined for life. Joshua killed his (step) brother that he was raised with most of his life. I can’t believe he was questioned without his parents or an attorney present at 15! This whole thing is so sad.
Shoo, you should be here for that hot mess. It is a nightmare locally.
Ok, here’s what i have found out so far, mostly from KY newspapers, etc:
JG (dad) has a rap sheet as long as Teresa’s…multiple thefts, some assaults, etc and FIVE women have filed domestic abuse/restraining against him. He takes credit for the suicide of JY’s mom. Trey Z’s mom said he had really gone off the deep end after the murder of TZ. Controlling, drunk, violent, abusive. Apparently, his cell phone had a little video of him beating a german shepherd puppy to death with a baseball bat. Indications that JY was the one who shot that video. Pup likely was a neighbor’s, although some said it was TZ’s.
JY spent from 3 yo to 15 without that SOB in his life. His foster family, the Stonburners are fighting for him and do not believe he did this. He was with them, i think, a little over one year. He was with his dad, stepmom, TZ, and at least one daughter (stepmom’s, not sure of daddy) for two months. There is citing of JY having some rather gory stuff on facebook and neighbors saying that his dad was trying to train him to be a hoodlum/gang member.
Still trying to find autopsy and also some of JY’s friends, people talking about him as a person/friend/enemy/freak, or whatever.
It is hard for me to swallow that serial killer psychopathy is genetic….anyone know of such cases? No doubt this kid’s life was as “F’d up as a soup sandwich”, but i wonder if he is OK mentally, if he could get help and leave that past 12 or so years behind. His mom died when he was 14.
I’ll try to pass along the documents I have to T later this week so I can keep my identity quiet. I’ve been at most of the hearings and pull the records for my day job. The mainstream missed quite a bit of detail, which will come as no surprise to anyone reading TT’s site, thankfully. It’s a hot mess of a case.
yay for inside accurate info. And I could have sworn that JY told cops that his alibi was that he making a porn with his step mother….
OMG, that is just so, ugh, vomit in your mouth, ugh….. Wow, jaa, that, ugh. never mind.
This just looks so sad. Wow. What a cluster of F. Hopefully this ends with juvenile court. I am laughing to myself because I know as soon as I post this I am going to have to agree under penalty of death or the life blood of my first born to not ask you to unsub me. I love your disclaimers!
Such a sad situation and another testimony tohow children are valued in our society. The judge who granted custody back to the felon father should be held accountable. My understanding is that Josh was thriving in foster care and doing well in school.
hey i grew up with josh and no he was not he fought his stepdad often fist 2 fist he would glout how he was loved by his step mom/dad and he how he would steal from them often i ate lunch with the kid everyday for 6 years he is not good
DID NOT*** love his step perents
HEY!!!!! i see Beth Karas joins Wild About Trial!!!!!!!!! Excited to see her and her acute insights in near future. F__ HLN!
Thanks for the heads up, Docwall. Thank God Beth is “somewhere” out there !” – A certain voice of reason in the darkness. I’ve been watching this train-wreck case with my mouth hanging open…. WTF? What was a Judge or Child’s Services thinking… when they lost this child into this darkness ?? ~ Too much trash !!
I have begun to research what i can of this case………….knew nothing about it B4. Tragic, and incredibly twisted…….gut reaction is to how on earth a kid like JY could have been so screwed in life from early on….mom-not clear yet, but druggie/some untreated mental illness. Dad, same, but violent. This kid, it seems right now, was just trying to fit in, be with family be LOVED. It so sucs his dad got out of jail..looks like he might have had a chance in life were it not for the biologic ties and desire to be loved. Right now, i am sorry for JY and LOATHE his dad, JG. and yet……………at 14 years of hell, perhaps this kid was already gone???? What thinks my friends here? I love jinkasaurus for NG, but i see she, too, is reading her headers like she is paid to do.
On a side, sorry, TT if this pisses you off, i am oh-so-sick of how parents just skip around with partners and live-ins……….i guess, though i am liberal in alot of ways, i cannot understand how parents just screw their kids with their own agendas, how can you just live with people like that and put your own kid in so unstable and volatile situations??? I don’t get!!!! For me, PARENT first, slut/hooker/dependant/slave like: “never”
I have been saying that women’s lib and the dissolution of the nuclear family, in partnership with the huge growth of big cities where no one is accountable and everyone is anonymous is the cause of all evil in society.
That’s way worse than what you said, Doc. 🙂 And I am never mad at you, silly.
Just to clear things up (not to start an argument): Louisville isn’t the big city. This family was in a working class area of the county that’s quite a distance from anything resembling a city. They’re in a community that has little in the way of anonymity. But I definitely appreciate what you mean.
Locally, the case has been about his crazy father and what it’s done to him. Lots of speculation in the legal community that is sure to make for compelling television. Though, don’t expect much in the way of footage. Kentucky’s courts are screwed up.
Hey Louis, i lived in Lexington and hit Churchill a few times, so i hear what you are saying!!!! Miss that old kentucky moon and foals laying around by mama sometimes, too.
TT, my thinking about what you said is “RIGHT ON”…..but for these reasons: see, women like me grew up realizing we can and “should’ use our minds to devote to a passion/vocation…..what we did not realize, while we decided to “bring home the bacon, fry it up in the pan” was that while the other gender (and specifically our spouses) would be grateful for our financial and ethical contributions to the world at large, and our own worlds, more specifically, financially, they would, by and large, still not do SHIT to contribute to raising our kids or housework. So, as i like to say: “………bring home the bacon, fry it up……..then realize i bought the pan, and the soap to clean it and scrubbed it, fed the kids and put it away”. Culture shock???? Or not? We are women, we are strong, let us not forget our POWER
Last comment, re: animal abuse. i thought i read that JY’s dad admitted animal abuse and cruelty……….yet, on doc drew, i am hearing that the kid did that………..???? perhaps a link? If kid did it, he is psychopath…..only they do that ………..and so, my sympathy is gone for the kid, can anyone help me with link?
i agree tt, that has beent he cause of so much. yet if you say so you hate women, single parents , kids…insert whatever and just hate. i so agree with your thoughts
Women’s Lib ?? – Respectfully, IMO, without women’s lib all the women here could be stuck @ home w/ the likes of a son-of-bitch like Gawker ! Without women’s lib (unless affluent) Mom’s could NOT get a car loan, credit cards, a house, an education. They could not be seen around town w/o a man, live alone w/o ramifications, dress like they wanted to, have a life beyond bridge… the list is endless. I know because I witnessed it !! Certainly there are many ill’s attributed to the abuse & complications of social change. I also remember, past the 60’s, once the family household produced 2 fixed incomes, the cost of living went up and the business economy florished from it. “Pleasantville is a myth !” There are so many strong women working & raising families, and even still, they’re up against the odds. Horrible famiy situations like this case seem more about never-ending “indecency & ignorance” – than the liberation of women !! ~ I chose NOT to have a family because I did not want to subject children into less than ideal circumstances …and I am very thankful for the women who helped me enjoy the freedom I’ve had to make those “choices !”
I agree with you Justus, and i THANK GOD for being able to support myself and my child. btw, my father was, undoubtedly the liberated parent in my family. (mom gave me grief for coming across too strong instead of flowery and helpless) We women are powerful……….but economics have controlled so many women for so long. I tell my daughter that she certainly can love a man (or woman), but for heaven’s sake, NEVER depend on someone else to support her financially!! I think , just my HO, that alot of problems in our society are due to lack of respect for family, lack of caring for others, a heavy NARCCISM pervading these Gen X and Gen Y youngsters, and, i’ll say it: Godlessness. Oh yea, and rampant breeding! Jesus, what happened to sex for love and birth control?? Just sayin.
Docwall – You’re living my first dream !! I wanted to be a Vet and have one blessed child. But waited to marry one & only @ 36 !! All of the women on Mom’s side raised their kids alone by accident or by golly ! Crazy thing is “the ol’boy rightwing nut network” are in the process of getting rid of birth control… so look out future !! I think men are more the silent benefactors of “family planning” even more than women, ya know ? Men like this monster should never be copulated !!! LOL ! Really ! (Had BC pills, phone & gas money & good running shoes !) Oh, add my 100lb. GSD too ! 🙂
i always say: “a girl needs a dog” (or 5 in my case LOL)
i had a pin i wore on a jacket in vet school said: “the more i know men, the more i love my dog”. I remember anatomy prof (male) reading it and displaying great displeasure 🙂
We women screwed ourselves with womens lib. Now, not only do we have to take care of our family, but have to work full time. Society/strangers are raising our children, in lieu of loving, nurturing mothers. Also agree with Doc 100%. My children ALWAYS come first before a man. I have literally been single since my youngest son was 2, when I got divorced. That was 10 years ago.
Womens lib is not the problem.
HLN is too annoying to watch. we get literally 15 minutes of testimony in an hour.
We MUST raise out daughters to be financially independent, and our sons to respect and cherish the wonder of women and commitment.
Hey you! How is your Mama and Daddy?
Hey girl, this has been a wild trip……….mom hallucinating on narcs for 3 days, dad is 90 % gone……..he was the best! But, things improving and gettin ready to change family shifts……………my mom is HUGE personality and when she’s hell when she’s well and she is gettin well………how do 5 days feel like a month this too shall pass! thnx for asking……..meanwhile, i am rather into BB…………amazing to watch livestream and TV show…………i so wish amanda outta here
Hope you and Banjo are well!!!!
Docwall: I can’t find any of the stories now but you definitely read them. They were all over the Louisville media market at the time. Both the father and son were involved in beating animals to death with baseball bats.
That kind of crazy does not come from your mama working or sleeping around.
Bella, right on! That kind of crazy indicates another severe socipath/psychopath/antisocial who is not able of rehabilitation. These are less than human beings. Genetics, whatever, they will not be OK
it’s not simply cuz i am vet…………..anyone who kills animals is likely so mentally ill psychopath that there is no hope for “normalcy’….DAMN! do you recall sure evidence kid did those things?
Yes, there was unfortunately quite a bit of detail in the stories. I’ll keep digging around to try to find them. If I’m not mistaken, the issue came up in court for both Young and his father.
thnx me lookin too
When I became very ill 8 years ago, I had a crazy 14 month old airedale… that’s a little redundant b/c ALL airedales are crazy in a very good silly way. I could not care for her. My brother kept her for a month but that was not a sustainable situation. I tried to give her away. Not any takers. I put her down. I just could not take the chance that some dog fighters would get her. Broke my heart. Some of you will probably ask why not a rescue group, but that was not a possibility b/c of my health and rural location. I felt that I owed her safety and putting her down was all I could come up with at the time. I’ll always be ashamed of me for this.
aahhhhhhh Peach, i know that had to hurt.
Peach, I’m so sorry. Here’s a way you might consider “paying it forward”: I volunteer with German Shepherd Rescue and Adoption, Fuquay-Varina, NC. We serve NC, SC and Virginia. But you can do this from anywhere. Rescue and adoption organizations are desperate for foster homes who take loving care of their little charges while the organization finds their perfect forever homes. Please consider fostering. It’s a wonderful service that saves lives. Not up to puppy nonsense? Foster an adult or senior pet. Many lose their homes to moves, illness, or owners’ deaths or changes in living arrangements. They’ll come to you trained, house-broken, and don’t need lots of exercise or rowdy play. And they’ll love you forever. Since they’re adoptable, you’ll be making short-term committments with long-term rewards. It will make you feel better if you become a special person in the lives of pets in need. http://www.gsdrescue.org. or contact any rescue/adoption organization.
Childhood animal abuse is one of the shared traits by most serial killers. Who knows what this kid could be capable of due to dads life lessons.
agreed, Steve, i dont think that animal abusers are “learned lessons”… i think it is in the genetic makeup of sociopaths. So ? is, did this kid do that?
My understanding is that the DAD used to abuse animals and the kid thought it was funny.,, PLEASE UNDERSTAND, the kid was on major drugs and doing PORN at 11. And his initial alibi was that he was making a porno with the Dad’s new wife at the time of the murder, as if that was a perfectly normal thing to say.
How does one DO PORN??? Lol. I am just doing a self check here…..Wait, was he IN the porn or viewing the porn?
From what I gather, Joshua Young is being charged with complicity to murder and tampering with physical evidence. The charge of complicity to murder means prosecutors believe Young had knowledge of a plan to kill Trey Zwicker (the step-brother), but failed to do anything to stop it.~ { Does this mean that prosecutors DON’T believe JY physically participated in the murder? } ~ Joshua’s father was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole after 20 years. I cannot imagine someone brutally beating a child to death and possibly walking free in 20 years! So Sad.
The charge is mostly based on what is father and what his father’s cousin, Cassie said. Initially, in a phone call between her and the father that she knew the police was listening to,Cassie says the father did it. Then after the father asks her where her loyalty lays (with him), and to “tell the truth”, she says the son asked her to drive him to a dumpster to dispose of bloody items. Sometime after the murder, she steals items from the victim’s mother.
This case seems very flimsy to me and based on hearsay from criminals or people intimidated by the father.
The case seems flimsy based on what? (I’m seriously asking, not being sarcastic) Based on your legal expertise or what you’ve read from local television station reports?
It seems flimsy based on what I’ve read so far. There seems to be no evidence that he was there, participated, or helped disposed of anything other than what the father and cousin said.
However, since you were at the hearings, you may be privy to things not reported. I know to take the media with a grain of salt. Hopefully, you were at the indictement and can give us more than this surface stuff.
As for my “legal” expertise it is one fourth Judge Matthis, half CSI and law and order: CI with a dash of HLN to keep things interesting, lol
Associate’s in OJ Simpson
BS in Casey Anthony (bullshit)
MS in Jodi Arias (more shit)
and pHd in Zimmerman (piled high and deep)
LOL
I agree. I’ve been watching and NONE of these family / friend witnesses are credible. The victim’s mom seems rehearsed. Something’s not right about this whole story…all versions.
As a mandated reporter of child abuse, I believe it would be difficult for many of you to understand how messed up the whole family is. If you find a child is being sexually abused, and viewing porn at his age is ABUSE, you can remove them from the abuser but all the child wants is to go back to their home which is their normal. Fill in any type of abuse that you can think of and still the child ‘loves’ their parent. This boywas lost years ago. This story/trial is just about beyond most cases of abuse I ever saw. He is apparently one of those pitiful children who seem to be disposable. I can’t watch this trial; just too much pain everywhere.
JY is just getting to the age that psycopothy shows itself. After all the messed up things the family have done to JY CAN he be saved or is the damage done a permanent thing? Did anybody get into trouble for showing or *doing* porn with him? Did stepmom get in trouble for driving JY to dump stuff..wouldnt that show complicity on her part too?
What i have read regarding the foster family he spent around 10 months with, he was doing well in school, they were discussing a future (legitimate) for him. They asked court to release him to their custody in their home, with their own children, but court refused.
Only info i have read so far regarding JY’s guilt is about sneaking out that night, and from his dad or dad’s friends, cellmates. Steve, you’re right about that dumpster trip…..!!!!!
I’m just getting in until I have to get back to work. I’m grateful to everyone – so informative on TT ! Q? – What was up with releasing JY into his father’s custody with that kind of record ?? That monster’s comment about “getting even” with TZ’s mother, with a grin on his face is pure psychopath !! Someone should have “stood-their-ground” TO THAT SOB a long time ago ! This is societies trash and a waste of lives. This is “nature AND (no) nuture.” So, so disgusting ! 🙁
dads been convicted and JY is now on trial..has anybody ever said WHY Trey had to die? What was the reasoning behind the murder? In sheer physical pain for the victim this murder was almost as viscious as jodis
Dad has given a couple of reasons; 1) Amanda had abortion in January and he was angry: “an eye for an eye”;
2) Trey had stolen food and a lighter from stepdad;
3) this is just my opinion: i think dad was trying to be a voyeur, a gangster wannabe, trying to show off, to possibly share and shock his son. Trying to “teach” him and share his psychopathic visons
I think the dude is fucked up enough for the you killed my kid, I’m killing yours theory to be possible.
thanx Doc..i was thinking that dads been in prison for 8-9 years maybe he tried some sick sex shit with the 14yo boy and maybe Trey was gonna tell mom on him he so shut him up. Then convinced TY to help with coverup. *you dont want daddy to go back to jail take MY blame* kinda thing.
OMG Steve, scary, probably realistic!!!!!
after the bbq that night Trey took a shower and instead of going to bed got dressed and left. Some saying that JY lured him out but JY said he didnt see Trey leave. If something inappropriate happened with dad while Trey was in shower would be a reason to dress in black and get out until someone else (mom or bio dad) could be told. Thats a good reason for JG to want to kill Trey THAT night. If revenge for abortion could have happened earlier. What if Trey had the bat to protect himself if JG came looking for him.
This is all kind of creepy, so sad and disturbing.
Hi Steve. I know I’m late to the reply but I heard TZ “had” his pj’s on – then changed back into street clothes… I know it’s a tiny detail but maybe an important one to underline your reply. You know, TZ had the “intention” to get into bed for the night.
So, i have been thinking about two things:
1) Louisville’s expression of what a HUGE mess this is;
2) Last night, TZ’s dad on HLN made reference to some sort of paperwork “right there is that courthouse” that seemingly says, perhaps, that TZ was not to be around big Josh.
Enter reading and thinking:
Judge Dolly Berry was the IDIOT who let big Josh get custody, despite CPS advising against. There were already family abuse issues, from JY’s mom to an uncle who would “squeeze his testicles” as punishment. Apparently alot of folk on both sides of JY’s family tree have arrest issues. The uncle seen on HLN, i believe, is the meth-head convict…………sorry if i am mistaken on that one.
BTW, this same Judge Berry was the one who gave Amanda, TZ’s mom the restraining order against big josh weeks after murder, prior to arrests.
BIG CAN OF MOTHER-FING WORMS
i see lawsuits against judge……..disbarment
i see lawsuits against CPS from several parties
i see lawsuits/charges against TZ’s parents if he was not supposed to be around big josh.
i see a whole lot of folks who likely (and justly) feel GUILTY and are perhaps trying take it all out on this boy.
When i look at JY, and hear him (you tube interview), i only see an innocent who wanted family and wanted love. WHO did he have?? How could he escape from his dad-and we know he only expressed how much he wanted to be with his dad, but he’s a kid now and this was two years ago, when he was 15 and only had spent about 3 months living with that SOB. I pray that the loose cannon, dad, does not try to hurt that child anymore than he has. I BELIEVE IN JURY NULLIFICATION AND A CHANCE FOR THIS CHILD TO GO BACK TO THE LIFE HE WAS JUST BEGINNING TO HAVE WITH A FUNCTIONAL AND LOVING FOSTER FAMILY
TZ’s dad didn’t want him around the Youngs. At the time the murder took place, his dad was in front of every camera he could find pointing out what he’d done to try to keep him away because he suspected him of the murder way back then.
The Cabinet for Health and Family Services in Kentucky is a sad organization. Just google around for info on all the child abuse deaths lately and how the Cabinet is still fighting media outlets to keep things covered up (lawsuits and such).
Judges here (in the region, not just Kentucky) get away with all kinds of things. Check out Senior Judge Martin McDonald.
Guess my point is that the entire system failed Trey Zwicker and Joshua Young.
And I believe several of the family members are meth heads – at least four. Two were recently arrested for having meth labs in their vehicles.
Ha ! – Docwall !! I’ve never heard of “FING” worms… Tee hee ! Are these something I neglected to treat my 7 rescue cats for – ??? 🙂
ALLRIGHT JURY QUESTIONS!! wish more states allowed them. The jury asked about who was present when JY was questioned. and det said nobody but dad did drop JY off. If dad dropped him there does that take away the need for having a child advocate present? Did cousin cassie cut an immunity deal for testimony? If she drove JY to dump stuff she SAW doesnt that make her just as guilty of evidence tampering too?
Yes, in Kentucky she could be charged (cousin) if she didn’t cut a deal.
Steve, on HLN afterdark last night, someone asked same ? you did about Cassie……………never got an answer. Already know she is a mess………screwing her cousin, and married, and God only knows what else. I have a feeling that the witnesses coming up are gonna be some GREAT fodder for talking points.
For anyone interested, you may stream the trial footage here: http://www.wlky.com/josh-young-murder-trial/-/9366718/21258968/-/d6wux9z/-/index.html (seems to be the most reliable feed from all media outlets)
Castor just finished his BOO-HOO – I’m sorry but I just have a problem with being a sexual deviant…..!!!!! I know this off topic but I’m watching Castro’s sentencing hearing live right now – the Judge is wrapping up the charges… and reminds the court he can NOT be arbitrary & must account for each of the what – 900+ charges !!! Go OHIO !! Castro told the Judge he lead a good & productive life and he is actually making comments – DEBATING the Judge on various specifications – even though he already took the plea on all of them. WOW !!! – Prosecution wants this on record to prevent any APPEALS Castro my lobby ???? ~ What ??
I’m all for Castr(o)ation for every one of these disgusting sexual perverts roaming the earth!
Bobbi, it would be my pleasure to provide such service free of charge!
You’d probably have a BALL (or two) doing it, too! 🙂
Can someone tell me if anything interesting happened with the JY trial today?
Also, two questions about Castro, 1) Is Ohio a DP state? Is that how he benefits from taking a plea? (2) Since he took a plea and pled guilty to everything, how could he possibly appeal? The judge told him he had the right to appeal ….I guess his sentence.
Tamara – The ONLY thing Castro avoided was the Ohio death penalty. I’m not sure of the details with his ability to appeal but apparently there may be stipulation of facts ? Perhaps it has to do w/ restitution to the victims and the city. The news reported the house he held the girls captive in will be demolished on his dime. ~ But really, I mean what’s he going to ask for – 500 less years in prison ??
TT – (Having problems getting your site page to show) Forgot to add, Castro had 21 yrs driving a school bus (OMG) so they may want his pension !
Castro – 1000 YEARS BEHIND BARS !!! ~ 1000 YEARS ! O….HI….O !
sadly castration only takes away the THING used to commit the sex crime. It doesnt take away the messed up thinking that LEADS to commiting a sex crime. Castration may result in frustration and more violence during the crime..they will substitute something to replace lost appendage.
Wikipedia: Castration is any action, surgical, chemical or otherwise, by which a biological male loses the use of the TESTES. This causes sterilization which greatly reduces the production of certain hormones such as testosterone. The procedure may be purposely performed on humans to decrease the libido of sex offenders.
God – Is that ALL ? 🙂
HEY, from a veterinary standpoint, castration decreases not only libido tendencies, but aggression……….not completely, but it is used not just for reproduction but also to thwart those testosterone-driven behaviors that include agression, marking, etc. (says the vet with two castrated CKCS most docile boys in world who mark at every chance, everywhere.) Read about castrati in Italy, used to do it for Opera, be4 women were allowed to sing. these boys were a bit fem……..agree that the issues might exist…i mean aggression……….something i think i shall spend time researching..(in the two-legged world)
When Banjo rescued me, the INSISTED I have him neutered and I felt like the worst person in the world. He is still aggressive. Mostly when he is not on the pred filled grape tomato diet plan. Pred is supposed to make him MORE aggressive but it doesn’t.
He cries when I leave the house and stands in the window watching me leave CRYING. This is almost all I can think about here at the geriatric pickup bar…
Also If you are not a real housewives fan by more of a trial watcher, you will still find the Teresa Giudice lawsuit thread interesting. Especially the non trial watcher comments about how she won’t go to jail….
K, TT……..for the record, i am SO pissed at you for getting me into BB when right now, there is some freaking Dish and RaycomMedia dispute which is totally blacking out BB on my TV…..
secondly, Banjo cannot help aggression…………he is mostly Sharpei….enuf said-i have only met one non-aggressive sharpei. It’s the gene pool – think prozac, amitriptylline or clomipramine would help the separation issues, but aint it nice to have such a great bodyguard??
i am so pissed about BB now that i will likely read all 2000+ comments about teresa just to calm myself down
REMEMBER: geriatric bars are potentially filled with sugar daddies, like play that Aaryn role and smile pretty, perhaps just a sweet Southern word might get you a “whatever”……….
PS: Can we make some plans to blow up this Raycom Media place??
OH SHIT. I can’t read anymore here. I am at the bar, drunk (with a safe ride home) and don’t know what happened. Banjo needs to shit and I will probably be cleaning it up. FUCK
Girl, every once in a while, ya just gotta let the shit fall where it may….he will be OK for one night…….have fun and take care of you…….!!!!!! Peace and enjoy some fun……….he will be OK!!!! (remember dog memory is about 10 minutes, Sharpei’s are only about 2 years…LOL!!)
XOXX
OMG just ordered another…
HOLLA! Eat some toast before you go to bed so you won’t dry heave tomorrow. Have fun and maybe consider some sexy time….. Just a thought…. it is fun!
TT (with all due respect, Bella)…..NEVER do i have hang-over because i take mega-multi B-vitamins while/during/b4/ or after drinking. (best now, get your driver to take you to CVS or grocery on way home and buy “stress tabs”.(multi-B vitamins)…take 2. Pee fluorescent yellow in am and NO HANGOVER! one of my best GA vet school lessons!
so take that after you drink?? i just eat toast or crackers but your idea sounds better. how many do you take? i have a sexy drunken debauchery (shocker i know) weekend planned and need some tips.
Years of experience here, girlfriend, i take B-vitamins in megadoses fairly regularly, but, when drinking, it is best time to take them mid-way or prior to sleep in large doses. If you go to friendly drugstore, look in vitamin section for b-vits, and specifically for what are usually called “stress tabs/stress B-vitamins”. Look for a list of B’s (folate/folic acid, niacin/niacinamide, cobalamine/cyanocobalamine/B-12, riboflavin , thiamine,biotin, pantothenic acid (b6, b3 b4, etc…) all in the 500% Rec daily allowance or over (up to 2000%) . The B’s are water-soluble vits, so what your body doesn’t need, you just piss out. NEVER hangover. When my man and i have parties with his firefighters or his 20-30 something kids, we always keep 2 things handy: Breathalyzer and B Vitamins. Two B-vits, no hangover!
have fun and, for God’s sake, try to stay out of trouble, and if you don’t, call TT!!
doc
Oh my, now you’re tipping your era, Docwall !! Yes-Yes. B12 complex used to be available in gel packs you could inhale… Zip-Boom-Wow ! Can’t find them now, since 80’s. This is crazy but B12 coupled with (just) 1 greasy MacD cheeseburger & fries worked perfect – in time to get home before the “spins !” Just thinking about those all-night benders makes me sick ! Had to quit those R-n-R nights when I the man I married quit his 25 yr. band. ~ Figures !
TT: Drink yer juice, Shelby! Enjoy the evening.
Heads Up ! – Josh Sr. <– is scheduled to testify for the Prosecution today. Court begins EST/AM. H-Loop-N will probably start coverage @ noon ?? – I'm getting my barf bags ready… OMG ! – 2 psychopaths in 2 days …[grrrr] We shoud be so lucky. Yuk & double Yuk ! ~ This should be really blog worthy.
Prosecution just told us that Gouker will not be testifying today.
Thanks Louisville ! I’m an early riser here – so buy the time courts get started I have to run around and then get back. Is this just a temp. set back to reschedule ? ~ Heard a rumor there was conflict between DT and Prosecution about allowing his testimony.
They seem to be bickering about what Gouker will testify about. Judge seems to be getting ticked off about the bickering.
Wow ! ~ that’s what I was thinking. I did hear earlier this week relating to what he could say or not. Just thought it might be fluff for the story. I would imagine J/Sr. could become a hostile witness for either side.
I can’t imagine that anything the SOB had to say would be of any benefit to either side. At first, Gouker claimed that Joshua was a participant in his step-brother’s murder. Now, he has changed his story and is taking full responsibility for the killing. I think the jury may disregard his testimony, should he take the stand, and base their verdict on more reputable and reliable witnesses.
yea, Bobbi-i have not caught them all, but can generically say that i have yet to see too many credible folks………….this jania/jamia riddle had charges years ago for letting a boyfriend burn a cig into her baby she was sittings’ ass. white trash
Watched [parts] of TZ’s Mom on the stand Friday and I swear – Jodi Arias was an emotional mess compared to this women… ugh ! No variation of expression, or changes in her voice or facial expressions. Nothing. She seemed very defensive when asked about staying in a relationship with Josh Sr, too. I see the interest in this case is waning but seems this entire community has known of this mess & this man for a long time. Also did not know TZ was an honor student, too. 🙁
Opening statements in the Sneiderman trial start Monday at 9am. I’m wondering if HLN is still planning to cover Andrea’s trial, since the JY trial is still on going. Of course, much of what they show is not live, so I suppose they could show snippets of both trials between all those damn commercials.
Hey Bobbi ~ I would bet HLN will concentrate on the most atrocious crime (ya’ know, “If it bleeds, It Leads” thing…) Apparently there’s NO shortage of violent criminal or hateful formats in the TV entertainment world coming… (or commercial sponsers b’twn them) I just watched the season’s finale of TNT’s “The Killing” (wow !) The film style is very much like the gut-wrenching movie Mystic River which I heard was a true story. TNT is lauching a new crime show that will feature 2 women, one a prosecutor & the other a detective who will be solving REAL cases as they unfold called Cold Justice starting Sept. 3. That show might prove interesting. And then there’s always the season finale of Jodi Arias coming this fall too ? !! 🙂
I have been sleeping a lot and thinking you guys were gonna cover this here. I missed Big Josh on the stand!
hey TT, i wish i had been able to discuss, but have not been able to watch due to mom falling, fx hip, had to pick up and drive 8 hours away to try to deal with a alheimer’s dad and injured and hallucinating mom. Hope to catch up one day on this trial!
take care………rest and Peace! (XXOOXX “ouch” to Banjo)
Update: To Allow Fellow TT Followers
Hey everyone!
I have been in contact with TT. She is not feeling well and asked me to convey a message to all her loyal followers. Due to her illness coupled with internet issues she is a bit overwhelmed at the moment. She has not forgotten about any of you. I fear the stress of not being able to do what she does best, writing and interacting with you all has not been advantageous in her recovery. Please be patient, knowing she will return as soon as possible to dish the tea, internet willing. On a personal note, our hearts are with you TT and we anxiously await your return, which I am sure will be in next to no time. 🙂
I thought the black guys who took Trey Zwicker’s cell phone killed him.
LOL, Here we go…. Big Josh did admit to setting up “the black kids” and even said that he was surprised no one else got shot because of that set up.
TT & Smitsa ~ With a sick chuckle & a smirk, Josh Sr. admitted on the stand, he made up the story about the black kids killing Trey because he said, “Hell, why not ?” “Best way to throw the cops off !!” So, here’s the best recap I can muster… albeit my attention was spotty. Since the defense has been allowed to bring in “their” forensic expert, plus 3 other inmate’s (J/Sr.s witnesses) testimonies “out of order” because of “scheduling conflicts”, HLN has been speculating how the defense “gets to ring the bells” on “their” theories of who & how the murder took place DURING the Prosecution’s case. Yesterday, the PT had 2 key witnesses, the ME and the “kissing cousin”, Carrisa (?). She testified JY woke her up between 1:30 to 3:00 AM that morning, was begging her to wake up and help him get rid of the baseball bat & some bloody clothing. She also testified JY said to her, “Wake up, I just killed Trey… I swear on my Mom’s grave, I did !” – The ME also changed her findings from initial ME report and testified there was probably (2) murder weapons used, the blow to the back of TZ’s head was made with a “sharp edged” weapon, possibly an machete or a hatchet (OMG) because it cut into the skull AND brain matter. The other weapon, probably a steel pole or baseball bat which caused multiple blunt force trauma to the back of his neck & shoulder area, but used to bash in his teeth so bad, TZ’s teeth tore through his face as they shattered. She said TZ was most surely still alive during the attack ! 🙁 Also, she could NOT say she was certain there were (2) people using these weapons but it would “infer” the murder would INCLUDE both father and son. I missed J/Sr.’s fellow inmate’s testimonies but know they were supposed to collaborate J/Sr.’s “confession & timeline of him killing TZ. They appeared to be distressed. ~ There seems to be a buzz that PT is NOT presenting a good & “succinct timeline or story of the events.” There has been a few other quick witness testimonies as to how horrible BOTH this father AND his son is. They have also started to show the revealing interrogation videos of Josh Young and he is NOT a sweet “ever hands-in-prayer” little baby-faced teen the DT is presenting in court. JY admitted to the police, he loved his father very much, that his new life with his Dad was the best place for him and he would do anything for his DAD !!! ~ These families are REALLY cluster-fucked together in this horrible, horrible crime. – It seems like this poor kid paid with HIS life for the years of their entangled lies & twisted (Hatfield & McCoys) gossipy, shitty ! (… IMO, the whole town seems to have boarder-line personality disorders, almost NO ONE is showing ANY affects !!!!!!) More today !
Gouker is an absolutely vile and disgusting POS excuse for a human being. Laughing, smirking, chuckling and swearing on the stand, as if he didn’t have a care in the world. What poor Trey went through on the night he was murdered is beyond imagination. Joshua Young “looks” the part of a sweet, innocent choir boy. But, is he? Did he kill his step-brother with or without his “loving” father’s help? Did he do it alone and Gouker is taking the fall for his son? Or, is JY truly an innocent kid who got charged with murder because of his father’s initial lies? I would like to believe that a 15 year old boy could not be that evil, but that would be naïve on my part. Witnesses have testified that he (Josh, Jr) admitted to killing Trey, so who is telling the truth? I hope time will tell!
Yeah, it’s always amazing how often the black guys are initially blamed. Horrifyingly, it turns out that accusing Black men of false crimes is back in style. I found it strange how this was glossed over. These type of crimes are often committed, and the media always down-plays it. Let’s just act like it didn’t happen in this case..
How was it glossed over exactly? Everytime I flip to HLN they show it in Big Josh’s reel of atrocities over and over…
Hi Tamara, I’m glad to see you back.
Defense rested their case in only 30 minutes! Joshua did not take the stand in his own defense. Trial resumes tomorrow with closing arguments.
Who did the defense call? I saw a DFCS lady for about one question, then it sounded like the defense said something like “I can’t ask anything else….or something weird.” and then it was over. Can someone recap?
The defense called 4 witnesses: 1) Trey’s father, Terry Zwicker. He was asked if Trey was afraid of the dark to which he answered “no”. 2) Josh Young’s aunt, Cynthia Guenther, who testified that JY was very distraught and teary-eyed at Trey’s funeral. 3 & 4) Two social workers. One, Allison Miller, said she had witnessed the boys together on two occasions and she saw no problems between them. I believe the other social worker’s testimony was pretty much the same. ~ If the jury does not reach a verdict on Friday, they will be sequestered and resume deliberations on Saturday.
So what do you guys think about this? i have missed almost all testimony, but listening to HLN during one of my hospital runs and they make it sound like there is solid evidence against JY. The witnesses against him, of whom i was aware, were pretty much slimebags. Who was most compelling for either side?
Thanks y’all. I missed a lot too just because the HLN coverage sucked. Why would Trey’s dad say he was not afraid of the dark? I must have heard that a million times. I am starting to think the kid killed Trey not the father, but frankly, I would find him not guilty because the prosecution hasn’t given me any legal reason to base it on based on the little I have seen or heard.
Belle.
The defense called a medical expert, CPS worker and Josh’s aunt.
CPS worker observed TZ and Josh together but saw no problems between them. The aunt testified that Josh was visibly sad, and teary eyed at the funeral.
Here is weird twist – I only could tune-in for a couple hours… By the end of the Prosecution’s case after considering all the testimonies @ the end of their case in chief , requested the court allow the jury to consider JY actually IS guilty of the murder (in addition ?) to the complecity charge, but I don’t know if PT requested it be included in “jury instruction” form. THEN – the DT announced to the judge THEY would in fact like the jury to find JY did DO the killing therefore COULD NOT possibly be found guilty of complecity as charged !!! They argued the terms & definition of “complecity” for awhile. So, then if JY is found Not Guilty – could the Prosecution follow JY out the door, handcuff him and charge him with murder ??? How could they since Gawker has already been charged and convicted…. I guess any court is only as good as it’s pool of judges, lawyers, lawmakers and jury pools. I don’t know how they can change the allegations (charges?) at the end of their cases. From what I heard, though HLN was speculating NEITHER side has much evidence and J/Sr. was each sides’s reasonable doubt. ~ Double Weird !! ~ I miss Juan Martinez !! I think the kid is guilty !! The Dad’s timeline and very limited recall of the events DO NOT work. I think he made it all up.
“What a tangled web we weave”……….Aside from the cops and the medical examiner, I’m not sure we’ve heard much truthfulness coming from either side. Everyone’s testimony seemed so contrived and the lack of affect by some of the witnesses was quite odd, to say the least. ~ Do you think Josh Young is guilty of complicity to murder and tampering with evidence………..or do you think he’s actually the one who murdered Trey? I’m starting to get a sinking feeling in my gut that he may have killed his step-brother and “dear old dad” is covering for him. Hopefully, closing arguments tomorrow will shed a little more light onto this very troubling case.
gotta be honest, have not seen much of testimony and evidence and witness research mostly led to alot of trashy folks on big J, Amanda, cousins, etc……….Two thoughts:
1) Is it really possible that big josh cared enuf to take rap for his kid? I SERIOUSLY doubt that. This guy is………….well, we all know……..antisocial/borderline/psychopath;
2) I have only watched little josh live in dim-volumed police interview…….i get only that he is enthralled with dad-so, do i think he might be there an cover for dad? YEP Do i think he did this of his own accord? NOPE even he did, indeed tell dad’s friends he did it, i suspect dad’s idea of you won’t do much time was in play. He has NO history of violence……..none still think he is a victim of so many familial and societal and legal wrongs that it is a HUGE SHAME
IMO, I think this Dad told his son, if he was going to roll with his Dad he was gonna’ have to prove he was “a man” now. Wouldn’t that be the prison-mentality, gang-like, bully & killer behavior his Dad lived ? It would be an ego-thing to tell your newly aquired son who now “looked up to you.” I DO think the Dad pushed this kid into “old hatreds” and I DO think Josh did it to show his loyalty & manhood. It fits the mindset. (They) just tried to figure out a way for both of them to get out of it (omg !!) and it backfired on the Dad. If this kid walks then there may just be ANOTHER Josh, Sr. back out there to “be just like his Dad” and an unpresuming child’s death goes without justice, again ! The people who kill unarmed children & teens are PREDATORS… period !!
7:50 PM – Fri. night : The Verdict is IN for anyone watching this trial !!!!
Thanks, JustUs…….Seems like kind of a quick verdict for a murder trial.
No Shit !! ~ Must have to make a run to the Circle K for cigerettes !! 🙁
Joshua Young NOT GUILTY on both counts !! Lesson to me… make sure the Prosection has a timeline and/or their version of what happened. Reasonable doubt is elusive but powerful. Used to wonder if they shouldn’t have a “reasonable certainty” theory too ! Next stop – what’s left of Andrea S and Jodi’s hearing this Aug. 26th, I think ~ ???
Holy shit, so he just walks out? Free like free free????
As free as a bird…smh, cause I really think he’s a cold blooded young man.
Hi Bella – Yes in deed he will. Perhaps he is a born killer in the making. Sure will make his Papa proud. Of course his life is certainly sad – but what about the poor teen the was blugeoned to death and suffered ? OMG !
I hope the foster family can redeem him, and not end up on the wrong side of his behavior. By 17 it is kind of hard (but not impossible) to change a who a kid has become.
Well said JustUs. I think that in the end he will get his, because he will feel so empowered to have gotten away with it, that more than likely he will eventually kill again. He already has a history of violence against animals..and we all know what the next step after that is..
Apparently, a last minute plea deal was made just last night according to Leeda Zwicker, Trey Zwicker’s step-mother. Pete Schuler, one of Josh Young’s defense attorneys, said the deal would have been for an Alford plea. In other words, JY would NOT have admitted guilt to the murder. He would only have agreed that he believed the jury had enough evidence to convict him. In exchange for ending the trial, JY would have been released from jail. It wasn’t a deal that Trey Zwicker’s family could accept. Leeda Zwicker said an INNOCENT person wouldn’t do that. { Hmmm………}
Thanks Bobbi, I kind of caught that on the backside before the jury went out, but you delivered the details for us. About the same time there was chatter about this “plea deal” the judge had to warn the/a juror or jury about his admonishments. He scolded the jury saying that casual discussions about the case in public also included in the elevators, on the escalators, hallways and the like. Apparently the jury had to be reminded NOT to discuss the case anymore w/anybody from the other side OR the press either !!! The Defense rested in a day, chatter of the plea deal vanished and then – Not Guilty. Now I realize why Judge Stephens was so dilligent and cautiously slow going… imagine that case in KY. Jodi would have been allowed to get married on the stand, too………. ~ to her cousin !!!! 🙂
So…… Josh walks free and into the loving arms of his foster family. They believe him to be a sweet and loving boy who flourished while in their care. They also said that they want to legally adopt him. If it were me, I sure the hell would be sleeping with one eye open! ~ I remember Jodi going on and on during her trial about a boyfriend of hers named Victor Arias. She claimed he was no relation to her, but I don’t know…………..kissin’ cousins? 🙂
Bobbi, Ha ! – I’ve always wondered about “Jodi’s Story !?” – Apparently JG was a cousin by marriage (?). To illustrate how stupid I am… I’ve always thought “kissin’ cousins” were reserved for grade school kids – under the “stink tree.” Just before graduation to middle school ~ LOL ! ~ OMG !