Several people have brought this video and the interpretation of it located at the link below, to my attention. I am not going to make any comment, but you are all welcome to.
I do ask that you discuss the video and the linked commentary here without attacking those with different points of view. We can disagree without being hateful. Thanks!
I keep changing my mind on this one. I think the pot smoking thing is crap, I smoke and it has NEVER made me hostel, quite the opposite.Looks to me like they wanted to buy a nudie/girlie magazine and a cigar?? And yes, you can smoke a ‘blunt” in a moment or two, especially if there are more than one of you smoking. He maybe got paranoid after smoking, but not hostile, I just cannot see that.
DISCLAIMER- I have a medical marijuana card.
Wow Isabella, we finally agree on something (the general affects of pot). Trayvon should have been suspicious, and fearful of being followed, either with or without the pot. I don’t spoke pot, but, know of those who do. It seems to relax them.
I am in awe of the amateur sleuths and “anonymous army” that are out there. They are armed with smart phones, youtube and social media and come up with amazing stuff. I read through all of the comments as well. Apparently you can fabricate a narcotic like substance from a fruit type drink (Trayvon had a watermelon flavored drink and not tea.) and candy like the skittles. They have all kind of names for these concoctions like Purple Lean etc. Obviously it’s a huge stretch, Trayvon could have just liked watermelon juice and he brought the candy for Chad but interesting none the less. I learned a whole lot from reading all of the comments.
I also did not realize the distance to the 7-11 and I am not sure if it was raining when Trayvon headed out to the store? If so, it makes you wonder why he would have gone out.
Oh please.
The bottom line is that GZ was instructed by 911 NOT to accost Martin, to leave it to them. Instead, GZ took it upon himself to play vigilante, with predictable consequences. No matter how one spins this, the fact remains that Martin was unarmed – it was Martin, not GZ who was being threated and therefore it was Martin, not GZ, who was attempting to “stand his ground.” GZ never claimed to have identified himself as neighborhood watch, so as far as Martin knew, GZ was stalking or creeping. And whatever teenage stupidities Martin may have got up to, GZ is the one with a history of violence.
THIS IS NOT A STAND YOUR GROUND CASE.
GZ is not a vigilante, he is a neighborhood watch person. He was not “instructed” to do anything and was not on with 911 during that call. They said “we don’t need you to do that” and he stopped following. TM was never threatened. TM also has a history of violence.
Feel free to state your opinion, just don’t make up “facts” to match it.
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Tamara Tattles
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. He is not entitled to his own facts” – Sir Patrick Moynihan
Are you SURE he stopped following when he was told he didn’t need to follow? Was that when TM jumped out the bushes on him followed by also coming at him head-on, the two versions of events offered by GZ?
WOW….TT REALLY
Absolutely; that GZ was charged is BS.
Tamara, you are not stating facts. How do You do not know if he was following Trayvon? How do you know Trayvon wasn’t threatened? There are two sides to the story and one person who holds the other side is dead. You stated your opinion of the event, not fact. I’ve always loved blog and your stance on being fair. Disappointed. I’m sure you will respond with some snarky comment but you need to say in your opinion you agree with George Zimmerman.
And you are stating the “facts”? No one knows for sure, that is the point.
I am watching the actual trial and not relying on the media. George’s testimony was brought in via video tape. The lead detective said he tried to get George to change his testimony but found him to be truthful. The eye witness has TM attacking George. We have a phone call recording of George telling the police everything he is doing. These are all facts in evidence. The prosecution has presented no evidence to even attempt to dispute these facts.
Your point of view seems to be based on things that might have happened. Or could of happened. Or what TM felt. But in a court of law you have to use the known facts to reach a verdict. I have never said I agree with GZ. I have said there is evidence in the actual court case based on the lead detective’s testimony (who is usually the best witness for the prosecution) and the eye witness, and the testimony of experts in gun shot wounds that support GZ version of events. You cannot get a version of events from a dead person. Therefore, it is the prosecution’s job to prove that GZ ‘s version of events is false. The prosecution not only did not present any evidence to dispute GZ version, they actually put on witnesses that supported it.
Tamara, this incident would not have happened if Zimmerman had stayed in his car. If Trayvon posed such a threat, why did Zimmerman get out of his car to follow on foot? WHY? If you felt enough danger to call 911 why leave the safety of your vehicle? That does not make sense. So it doesn’t matter if Zimmerman was king of the neighborhood watch, he pursued someone he perceived to be a “suspect” and approached him…like the dumb ignoramus he is. And like a PUNK, Zimmerman pulled out a gun because he was getting his arse handed to him by a child. A child he should have NEVER APPROACHED IN THE FIRST PLACE.
And you mentioning Trayvon’s supposed history of violence is a moot point. You have a hissy fit when someone blames a rape victim…but it’s super appropriate to blame a murder victim, right?
I don’t understand the concept so many have that GZ should have never left his vehicle. He was checking out a suspicious person wandering the neighborhood where he is a neighborhood watch person. He was on the phone with police. His intention was to watch where “the suspect” or “suspicious person” was going. He lives in the neighborhood and had every right to observe and follow anyone who seemed out of place. There is no crime there. So you can’t really work from the death and go back. You could just as easily say if TM had not gone out for tea and skittles he would not be dead. Neither patrolling the neighborhood, nor going for skittles is against the law.
Self-defense is not an issue in a rape case. In every case of rape, the victim is not accountable. In a self-defense case, the judge decides if a history of violence by either party is relevant. In this case the judge’s initial ruling was to leave prior incidents of violence out of the equation for both parties.
This also would not have happened if timing had been different for either peole. Likely, if the neighborhood was not pagued with crime over past many months. Also, if it were not raining. Also, maybe if neighbors had come out at first cry for help. Also if TM was walking on main street. Also if TM had not been sent, lovingly, to his dad’s because of the problems his poor mom was having with him in Miami. And, oh yea, also if TM had not become physical. Shit happens………it is a horrible tragedy and so very sad that TM died. But the critical point in this case began when there was physical altercation between the two…………..however they got there, that is the way it is. And TM was a participant. GZ has a right to a fair trial. Based on all evidence.
If I was a 17 yr old kid (or even at my current age), if I’m walking and someone is in a car watching me, I would think they were some kind of pervert and be prepared to fight for my life. Hell, I live in a nice neighborhood and I don’t walk my dogs after dark. GZ called 911, as he should. He should not have gotten out of the car as neighborhood watch groups are instructed. GZ put himself in danger by following TM. In my opinion, this was not an act of self defense for GZ, but for TM.
I’ve always enjoyed reading your opinions but have never commented before. But I just have to say GZ was on the line with police, not 911, but police and was instructed to stand down. He was wrong to follow that young man and he was the cause of the contact that followed. If you were walking down the street at night and notice a strange person following you would you be alarmed? Would you have the right to confront that person? At the time this happened the only thing GZ knew about TM was that he was young, black, and unknown to him. That does not equal criminal and young black people do have the right to walk down neighborhoods even when the neighborhood watch doesn’t know them.
The dispatcher does not have the legal right to tell someone not to follow someone. That is why he said “we don’t need you to do that” to which GZ immediately replied okay. This has all been discussed in court. The prosecution knows the dispatcher can’t tell someone what to do. Also, the suggestion no to follow was to protect GEORGE from someone he felt was suspicious.
tamaratattles
July 9, 2013 at 4:55 pm
“TM also has a history of violence.
Feel free to state your opinion, just don’t make up “facts” to match it.
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Tamara Tattles”
You would do well to follow your own advise.Trayvon Matin had no police or school record of violence
I agree…I really do not know the point of this video or why it matters what this kid was buying. It wasn’t a weapon and he had the right to do so and to walk where he wanted. I really appalled by this ridiculous post and the thought pattern behind it. I wish this blog would go back to reporting on stupid housewives or Chateau Sheree – you make more sense.
LAC I agree with what you stated….TT should really stick to this “reality” news because TT is so bent on TM buying something to make syrup..which is neither here nor there GZ shot that child because he was stereotype as a thug point blank…heck you dont have to be white blue red or green to see that is what happened. YES I know this is TT blog but damn she sounds just as “funny” as TMZ…..
You are on crack.. This is the LEAST BIASED blog out there.
i must apologize ahead of time to those who i offend, but DEE-hey dumbass (feel free to edit, TT—–i dunno, some word insert like “honey” or “sweetheart”)….did you even GET from the 7-11 tape that there are a few peculiar INTERESTING happenings way beyond the Arizona and skittles? cash in hand of TM and the trio who follow buying “blunts”??? combined with who is still at 7-11? this is not evidence, it is nothing but simply INTERESTING sorry, just saying
I just heard Nancy G read from the police report regarding Captain Zimmerman’s arrest charge for violence against a police officer and resisting arrest. According to what she read, he was arrested and charged. The charges were dropped only because he went through a program to address his anger issues. Before tonight, I thought the charges were dropped because he was proven innocent. Go figure.
LIke NG, you take information and bend it to your point of view. Police record shows charge amended to: “resisting arrest WITHOUT violence”. Then even that charge was dismissed. There is no record of GZ being sent to any kind of program in exchange for dismissing the charge.
Hey Sandra. I’ll take that slam, liking me to NG. Would you care to name your source. I haven’t verified what NG said or read, that’s why I prefaced the statement with, according to NG and the police report she read from.
Your turn.
Orange County Police Records.
More precisely: Orange County Clerk Of Courts Records Search.
Going through the first offender program would not be on the public records, it would just show up as dismissed.
I’m pretty sure GZ did go through some first offender program but it is late and I don’t feel like looking for verification.
First offender program is not anger management program.
Fine you buttheads, I LOOKED IT UP FOR YOU. /pleasant fake smile…. It was an alcohol awareness programs.
In July 2005, he was arrested for “resisting officer with violence.” The neighborhood watch volunteer who wanted to be a cop got into a scuffle with cops who were questioning a friend for alleged underage drinking. The charges were reduced and then waived after he entered an alcohol education program.
hmm links not showing… hang on. See this article for every bit of dirt the Washington Post could dig up on Zimmerman. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/05/28/george-zimmermans-relevant-past/
Okay most credible sources refer to the program as a “first offenders diversion program” not alcohol awareness or anger management’ GZ was 21 at the time and his friend was apparently the kid checking IDs at the door and was busted for letting in a minor and GZ intervened.
Thanks TT!
yeah, yeah, yeah,,,,,, 🙂
Sandra, we’ll call it a draw.
I’m not going to debate about which program he went through. Here is my point, GZ did the crime, then got off. It wasn’t because he wasn’t guilty. He clearly did something the police and court deemed as wrong, and he had to “go through a program”, as a result. It’s like going to traffic school. The cop’s radar caught you speeding, and you went to traffic school to keep it off your insurance records. You were still guilty of speeding or traffic school would not have been necessary.
Prior to the Trayvon incident, the Captain got himself into two situations relating to violence. In at least one, as with with this one, he injected himself into a situation where he didn’t belong. He’s been quite lucky so far. IMO – If he continues trying to play the role of peacekeeper or cop without the proper training, who knows what might happen.
GZ should put down his weapon, maybe move to a less violent area and focus on his family. The cowboy and cop roles are not working for him.
THIS IS JUST MY OPINION.
Hi Sasha, GZ had stated that the cop assaulted him when GZ went to the aid of a friend. Cop did not identify himself as being an under cover cop until after the assault. That’s why it was dismissed. Also, charge was listed as “resisting arrest WITHOUT violence”, not assault.
GZ and his then-fiancee had restraining orders AGAINST EACH OTHER.
Why should he be the one that should have moved? It’s like saying, if your boss is sexually harassing you, instead of dealing with the boss through HR, you should find a new job. So boss keeps harassing others and break-ins and home invasions keep happening in GZ’s neighborhood. GZ didn’t have the equivalent of HR at the time, so he did what he could by initiating Neighborhood Watch. BTW, he was the ONLY one that volunteered in the WHOLE neighborhood.
I don’t mind differing opinions, but those opinions should be based on fact. That’s why I have a hard time with certain people on certain shows on HLN. But they don’t really care about GZ or TM, for that matter. They have ratings numbers to worry about. HLN is the equivalent of the National Inquirer of TV.
I wish you well.
O.K. Sandra. Thanks for the info. I’ll look it up and read it. There is a lot of interesting reading out their about GZ and the arrests. Some creditable, most not.
It has been widely reported since the shooting that TM bought Skittles and iced tea. According to the linked commentary, however, it was watermelon juice (used in the making of “Drank”) that was found next to TM’s body. It is nearly impossible to tell from the video exactly what type of beverage TM was buying. I don’t know if it really matters in the long run……. it’s just one more thing to ponder.
It was a Watermelon flavored Arizona Tea product. It was show today in court. This is the drink used to make purple drank (as we call it here) Unless the toxicologist tested for the ingredients in Robtussion dex…whatever, we have no way of knowing if that was in his system previous to going to the store.
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Tamara Tattles
Again, erroneous information. The drank is called “purp” because of the color of the medicine, promethazine codeine, not because of a snapple. They usually mix it with sprite. I’m not in the hood or use drugs but it takes a simple google search or quick look into a rapper’s twitter or instagram feed. You are stoking the fires here with people. And even if he did smoke or drink it has nothing to do with Georgie following or not. Do you feel that Trayvon had no right to defend himself if he was in fear? This is/was a fun blog. Nice getaway. I agree the defense is doing a better job but no one is using facts. Thank goodness it is up to the jury and not the court of public opinion
Fact? According to the police dept and the District Atty office, evidence showed the shooting was justified. UNTIL the likes of Al Sharton, etal, organized protests, making it a black vs white issue, then politics and the Justice Dept. intervened. Charges were then brought against Zimmerman. Evidence didn’t matter. These charges were used to placate the black community. “If I had a son…” Wow!
None of this matters anyway. Zimmerman deserves a fair trial??? Where could he find an impartial jury of his peers? Not when the President of ALL the states declares..”if I had a son, he would……” Those Zimmerman jurors are screwed. Not guilty or guilty. Doesn’t matter.
Just wondering…how many commenters remember the Rodney King verdict riots? How many have read the tweets of those pieces of shit that are threatening to kill Zimmerman if he’s found not guilty? Threatening to kill the 1st cracker they see? Why are the authorities planning riot control nationwide? Wonder on which side all of you here will be after the verdict.
Yes, I am a glass half empty type of person lately. Age & current events have taken its toll. Hope to hell I’m soooo wrong and we all can get back to the mindless crap of the HW.
Kelli, thanks for enlightening us.regarding the source of purple! Shit, i googled and read about jolly ranchers….so glad you got that straight for those of us who are in “Viirgin Territory”. In addition, do you think that a right to defend himself included beng a physical aggressor, based upon EVIDENCE and TESTIMONY? Stoking fires, indeed, i am really confused why talking about purple or stank or wtf it is called is hardly stoking fires. i am in the dark with what your point might be…………..???
So, Tamara maybe we can give Trayvon the benefit of the doubt on this one. Maybe he just wanted some tea to wash down the skittles. Maybe, just maybe, he had no plans to make a purple drank. I still want to believe he was innocent in some capacity. Not to dismiss, he was just walking to the store after dark wearing sagging pants and a hoodi; talking on the cell phone. He didn’t even have a backpack and a flat head screw driver with him when Captain Zimmerman pegged him as a suspect.
He is dead and Captain Zimmerman is alive. I wish the captain would have taken the stand and told his side of the story to the jury today…..I wonder why he didn’t. He is such a good guy and everybody loves him.
Are you sure the defense rested? I don’t believe that is possible. They are still in a hearing to get an animation into evidence and have not called the toxicologist.
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Tamara Tattles
So sorry, TT. You know I hate to post bad info. The defense will rest tomorrow. Court ended at about 9:30-10:00 tonight after lengthy arguments since the jury was sent home today @4. None of TM’s text/messages/photos will be allowed. The judge will rule tomorrow at 8 AM whether to allow the computer program of how the defense believes it happened. Cough, cough, we can guess how she will rule on that. There is video of the defense asking for extra time and being denied. Don gets very angry. Again, so sorry for the bad info.
Defense has rested. The prosecution will redirect and then it goes to the judge’s instructions and deliberations. I have slowly been pulled into watching the livestream.
clearly there is a lot going on in this case that I am unaware of! What the hell is purple drank?? I clicked on the link and read most of the comments, and watched the 7-11 video, and I’m wondering- was this video shown in court,and were the suspicions that Trayvon was buying or selling a blunt mentioned? And…does it matter? Also, is it true that it took Trayvon 40 minutes to get home from the 7-11..? I also tried to listen to the tape of the girl who was on the phone with Trayvon (the one who heard “a lil get off”) but had to give up after about 10 minutes!! She was completely un-intelligible! WOW
Purple drank, sizzurp, and apparently ‘lean’ are all terms for homemade drugs made from cough syrup, Arizona Watermelon Tea/ And or other things like grape nehi , skittles (and or jolly ranchers) and cough syrup (preferably with codeine, but kids here use the Robitussin DM stuff. Many rappers have been in the news lately for being hospitalized as a result of ODing on the drink. Trayvon bought all the storebought stuff for purple drank. He also texted about trying to buy liquid codeine on his twitter in 2011.
Of course the young man with the praying hands tattoo might have just wanted Arizona Watermelon Tea and Skittles and a nice long walk in the rain. I know the skittles were unopened, not sure about the Arizona tea.
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Tamara Tattles
Thanks TT. I guess I’m more sheltered here in the suburbs than I thought! Never heard of this-but, I bet if I were a teenager too young to drink alcohol, I would know about it. Thank God my children are adults and I don’t have to worry about home made threats to their health anymore!!
I believe the Watermelon tea can was unopened-I think I saw it either this morning or yesterday in court.
If true, that means he walked around with it for 40 minutes. Leaving the 14 year old kid of the father’s girlfriend alone whilst he wandered in the rain.
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Tamara Tattles
I really like your blog Tamara and visit regularly but I can’t understand why you’re so quick to jump to George’s defense, you’re riding hard for this man … you might as well join his legal team!
Regardless of the “facts” you’re so quick to point out and correct when anyone doesn’t see things from your point of view … the bottom line is George fatally shot an unarmed minor. Quite frankly I don’t give a rat’s behind about who confronted who. George had no business leaving the safety of his truck ….he should have called 911 and went back home or if being at home with his family was too much to ask then he should have sat in his vehicle until the authorities arrived to do their job! All this talk of ‘purple drank’ is ridiculous and to state “Trayvon bought all the store bought stuff for purple drank” as if it’s fact is very hypocritical ‘miss fact checker’ … you don’t KNOW what he bought the stuff for …maybe he was thirsty and likes candy!
My point is none of that matters … a young man died for no reason … the person who killed him needs to be punished. American jails are filled with people doing 25 to life for selling small amounts of narcotics but you can shoot and kill a teenager and not be punished? I’m sorry but as a mother that doesn’t sit well with me. Do I think he’s a cold blooded murderer? No, but he killed someone so he should serve time in a federal penitentiary. So let’s stop with the purple drank nonsense and focus on the heart of the matter ….a child is DEAD and dragging his character through the mud is not right!
First, I discussed the basis for my opinion at length here: http://s17948.p858.sites.pressdns.com/2013/07/07/sidebar-a-look-back-at-the-prosecutions-case-and-a-discussion-section-for-the-upcoming-defenses-case/ that may help you to see why I came to the decision that GZ should be acquitted. That fact has nothing to do with right or wrong or who is at fault and who is not or who has the best character.
Your belief that GZ did something wrong with leaving his truck in his own neighborhood, is your opinion. It has nothing to do with the law.
I did state that Travyon bought all of the ingredients for purple drank except for the cough medicine. If you do not believe that he purchased only two items himself, the watermelon drink and the skittles, I included a security video from the store as evidence of this fact. That source also states it took Trayvon 40 minutes to walk half a mile in the rain. This would mean he did not go directly home but wandered around in the rain doing something. Whatever it was, it was not drinking the drink or eating the skittles as both of those were intact. I also include in that post the possibility that Trayvon may just like tea and skittles enough to go out in the rain to get them. I have no idea why he did not drink them.
Your last paragraph is your opinion of what should happen. If we did not have laws and jury charges to guide the verdict process it would be a free for all of people yelling in the jury room what they think should happen. The laws and guidelines are posted here. http://s17948.p858.sites.pressdns.com/2013/07/07/sidebar-a-look-back-at-the-prosecutions-case-and-a-discussion-section-for-the-upcoming-defenses-case/ Based on those laws and guidelines the prosecution has not met its burden of proof. This is how our judicial system works. Sometimes people are aquitted (like say, OJ SIMPSON) when the jury is unable to be convinced of guilt or meet the jury requirements. Not every guilty person is convicted.
I have never dragged anyone’s character through the mud with regard to this case. I have only stated facts.
Thanks for sharing your opinions.
Crazy thought, and it has probably been mentioned, but what if the state went second degree knowing it could not possibly win just to assuage the public that they did something in regards to all the protest?? Why not over charge in that case? Chances are slim he would get convicted, they can say hey, we tried, and in the end GZ still has a life time to live this down, to be the next Casey Anthony of OJ in the public’s eye.
In the state of Florida, manslaughter is an automatic lesser included charge. The jury will have th option to choose manslaughter. I don’t think the state proved that either but that is another post for another day.
I just took a trial break and watched something on the DVR. When it ended my TV was on HLN. A guy on after dark just said (they were talking about the NUMEROUS MISTAKES in evidence collection at the crime scene) THAT SOMEONE ON THE SCENE TRIED TO FINGERPRINT TRAYVON. Good Lord. SMH. I mean what more could they have screwed up?
I hope that one positive thing comes out of this case being a media circus is that it puts the fear of God into local police forces to follow protocol and be precise lest their department be involved in the next case selected to be a media circus.
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Tamara Tattles
In addition, i think 911 operators will not only have to continue to CYA in verbage suggesting action or non-action, but, now maybe they also need to just ask……do you have a firearm? if so, we strongly advise that you better not go anywhere near anyone in question
No one knows if he was an innocent child. Not saying he deserved to die, not at all, but there are only two people that night that know what really happened and one can no longer speak. There were not even going to be charges filed until an uproar was started, not saying it was justified or wrong, just saying that maybe just maybe, there is more to this story.than a kid getting shot in cold blood.
As well, for those watching the trial and witnesses, there is a VERY strong case for self-defense. This was witnessed…………clearly both acted in less-than-idea ways, but what happened happened. And without watching trial witness by witness it can be very easy to come to conclusions which do not comply with the law.
Let me give you something to consider…………maybe you were that mom who chose to put her 16 year-old on that Asiatic Airline trip…………is it right to feel guilty for maybe wanting to do it perhaps for her and to get a little break for you? Maybe there were 10 million factors that went into the decision, but, ultimately, your child was where she was when she was………..so, yep, GZ was armed. Do you think that that fact all of itself means that he was guilty? What if he wasn’t and the same thing went down? Can you know that he might not be dead or permanently disabled? No, you can’t, no one can. He happened to be armed and that might be the only reason he is alive (and TM is not) today.
In response to Tamara it also quite possible that TM was sitting under the cover by the mail area where his friend Rachel Jentel said he was. This is possible. And he was waiting until the rain stopped. Why does it matter where he went? He was doing nothing wrong when he was confronted and stalked by GZ. It really does seem like you have a negative view of black men you are very suspicious of this child, even saying he was drinking syrup. which in itself is a racist statement. Although you have no evidence of this you believe that is what he was drinking bc it can be used to make syrup. Sweetie you can also make it with Sprite or any sweet drink hell it is usually made with koolaid being that the sweeter the drink the less you can identify the meds. Usually Grape koolaid. AND it makes someone calm and mellow and sleepy I doubt very seriously that in that state a person would be aggressive. But just you bringing it up baffles me, are you truly saying that since Lil Wayne or some black people you have seen on tv drink syrup that now ALL young black men do? The stereotypes are just very disappointing.
YEAH, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT SHE SAID, ALL BLACK MEN DRINK SYRUP. EXACTLY. TO THE T. Please…
Aedon, you are entitled to your opinion, but you are TOTALLY out of line with what you are trying to reflect as “the word of TT”……so, let me help you catch up with what you likely have NO FUCKING idea has been ongoing in these blogs….
1) We are all still lacking in any evidence that GZ confronted TM…..so please do tell lyour source for that……….
2) NEVER have i read any inclination that TT has some prejudice agains black men, NEVER in any of the many blogs and conversations………..out of line and starting to sound like a bigot here AC
3) TT NEVER said TM was drinking the syrup or WTF you call it. This conversation came up between regulars here enlightening each other over uses of Arizona and skittles…………we old-timers were equally interested and began to read and research but really have not been thinking it relevant to trial…………let alone, it has NOT a friggin thing to do with trial……….just some regulars here on an off-topic topic in interest (you a bit paranoid?)
4) and so, what does discussion of syrup have to do with being a racist???? So don’t get it???? (re-enter paranoid?)
The only one i am seeing as stereotyping right now is you, just in the act of trying to accuse another of being racist when most of us here don’t even get wtf you are saying, spare one thing:
you have an issue with separation of trial and litigation versus chicks (mostly chatting about stuff with no ill intent.)
IMHO…..open you mind, get your chip off your shoulder, or get off the site………….if we wanted to talk about racial stereotyping, we would all just watch HLN together.
Peace-out
Hey Isabella…..You drinking Syrup? Oops, sorry…..That’s a racist question. Christ!
Why yes, yes I am drinking syrup.
yea, really………….the cracker version is koolaid!
I agree. Have been a long time reader. This doesn’t sit right with me. It doesn’t even seem rational. Sorry, Tamra.
i use to enjoy this blog until the owner became so hell bent on trying to basically say TM deserved getting killed….wtf. regardless of anything this was someone CHILD and they way TT talks is sicken to me…..TT i hope you have much success.
do i therefore take it, North, that your evaluation of the 7-11 tape displays something derrogatory against TM?
I’m trying to get the point to this. What if Trayvon did make or planned to make the purple drank. How does this tie into anything. What if he had some in his system, which I believe he didn’t. I’m sure in would have come out in the ME’s report.
Does codeine give a person more energy, or make them sleepy, what am I missing about the point everybody is trying to make.
There was no real point with regard to the evidence. It was merely something that was being discussed in social media and I was asked if we could discuss it here. So we did.
If you comb through all the comments and back/forth you come upon replies that indicate they have provided their work to Zimmerman defense lawyers. Not clear if it was the early lawyers or O’Mara/West who are trying the case.
Perhaps this animation the defense is trying to get in will show length of time from 7-11 to Brandy’s house.
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Tamara Tattles
T;he youtube seems to indicate that it is a mile round trip. Not so far for a young kid needing some excersize but if it is already raining and dark?
For some reason Trayvon thought it would be safe to walk outside, in the dark, in the rain.
That girl was a hot mess; I think she went to the same public school system as some of the Real Housewives I see that are barely literate.
So you have no opinion of GZ also having a history of violence? He had the cops called on him for domestic violence. SO im wondering what are your thoughts on that fact should that be allowed in court. And from what I have read in your posts it seems you have some facts incorrect. This a self-defense case and I honestly do not believe TM was the aggressor. Even if he was drinking “lean” which I find highly speculative than he would definitely not have been aggressive it is a “downer” much like marijuana. Being that there was a toxicology report done than Im sure they would have found this, Im sure they tested the can. But the real issue is why was GZ not tested for drugs or alcohol he did after all kill someone.
I would bet money GZ was tested for drugs at the hospital.
I don’t think he was. I think that was asked and the police testified he did not appear to be under the influence of anything.
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Tamara Tattles
Aedon, i would like to reply, briefly, then would like to share a bit about the 7-11 tapes….my briefest response to you would be…..do you think that it is OK to talk about “aggressive history” about one but not the other. Check out the TM text messages defense released and are online……… i find TM talking about the only reason he got his ass kicked was because the other guy had him down on the ground and also his repeated attempts to buy a gun…….IRRELEVANT, but interesting.
Sadly GZ was not tested for drugs however he did state that he was on anti-anxiety meds. So would that have affected GZ thinking capabilities? I have not read the texts of TM since I feel that it is not relevant to the case. He was a 17 year old kid can you remember the things you did when you were a child? Seriously I have done some things as an adult that I am not proud of. This will just try to smear the jury against the TM and he is the victim no matter how you cut it. He was a kid that lost his life over nothing. Period.
I just do not believe that he was killed in cold blood. I am sorry, I do not. If that were the case do you not think that death penalty happy Florida would have charged him at the get go?
When I was 17 I was the exact same person I am today. SCARY.
Where I live. Drug testing is a standard procedure in all shooting incidents.
I hope in rebuttl case the pros point out that if GZ got out of his car to get an adress why was he walking on sidewalk thru the backs of houses. How many houses have their adress by back door not front?
I thought he was looking for a street name, not an address….
Already covered extensively in the trial. It won’t matter if they bring it up again on rebuttal, it seems you are not watching so you will never know.
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Tamara Tattles
Ouch for Steve! I am sure he has been out with the crops as it is summer and all.
He’ll be alright.
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Tamara Tattles
They are still in session at past 7:00 PM over this animation! This judge is balls to the wall, love her.
i cant watch during the day. I try to get caught up when i can stand pundits on hln at night. Thats harder every day. So with all the purple drank talk did TM have cough syrup stuff in his system too. Wouldnt weed and cough syrup make you sleepy? These attys still fighting over video? Isnt that where ct. Started this morning? Im more lost than ever.
Sigh
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Tamara Tattles
They presented to the judge this AM for a lot longer than she was happy with. Now this is the hearing testimony after which she will make her ruling. I believe it is a Dabber hearing.
I believe that Trayvon had trace amounts of weed;I do not know if there was cough syrup or if anyone addressed that. However, toxicology evidence was allowed in and I think that will be tomorrow and then the defense has indicated they will rest tomorrow.
As to making you sleepy – I would pass out but substances affect everyone so differently. Some say that increased paranoia is a side effect to smoking weed and that caused Trayvon to overreact.
Daubert
Steve, the resident dog doctor says that the toxicology report only talks about THC…..did they look for dextromethorphan? doubt it, on the other hand, the skittles and arizona were unopened so not consumed from that purchase
ok, maybe I’m just a dumb cracker, so please let me know if I am-but..does it matter if Trayvon was buying or selling weed? Or walking home after getting the ingredients to some inebriating concoction he was going to drink later? The fact remains that he was walking back to his home, and ended up dead. I’m sure the only people who really know will NEVER say or they would have already. But why would it have any bearing on why GZ pulled the trigger…?
Well, as far as TT is concerned, it is because SHUT UP that’s why. I have no idea why it matters what this kid was doing walking around. Clearly no one here has ever been or has a teenager dragging out an evening on an errand that would take less than an hour to do. Apparently, if you are black teenager, you better be sure to get your butt back home as soon as possible and stick to white approved sodas for purchases. Or else, while you lie dead and your mother’s grieving, you will have some blogger play the “How this was Trayvon’s fault” game on her blog.
LAC, i don’t think the post header here was at all put up to try to say that TM deserved to die. It was here to share interesting info………….there are many here who like to share findings, research, thoughts. Having an interest does not =TM deserved to die. Separation between folks sharing versus talking TRIAL, court, LAW and individual shares on a variety of subjects. I am seeing some VERY touchy-touchy, hackles- up people making incredible generalizations about other’s thoughts. TT, maybe you could make a new subject heading to thwart off the series of misconceptions about how alot of us communicate. I am stunned that people cannot separate between our legal system and proceedings versus chatter. GZ was not perfect, nor was TM….who is?????
LAC, you seem incredibly racist. What are “white approved sodas?” Where have I ever said this was TM’s fault? Or told anyone to SHUT UP about their opinion on this case? Most of us are discussing facts here without resorting to name calling. I would love to hear your opinion on the evidence in the trial, or some of the things that didn’t come up that people find interesting. However, your posts are so emotional that facts are get lost in the vitriol. I am sure there are plenty of places for people to vent about their emotions, but this is not one. We are grown folks with lots of different points of view discussing facts here. So share with us the evidence that you believe meets the state’s burden of proof. In case you need to understand the state’s burden, I have laid it out in this post. http://s17948.p858.sites.pressdns.com/2013/07/07/sidebar-a-look-back-at-the-prosecutions-case-and-a-discussion-section-for-the-upcoming-defenses-case/
I haven’t said shut up to anyone – that is the tone you are taking about this case. I find your going through a video of a kid buying something out of 7-11 and blowing it up to something incredibly tasteless. I do not know what the point of this video is and what it does to the defense of Zimmerman. I think you are deliberately misreading my posts and trying to pretend that I am being a racist because I was being sarcastic about what this young man bought to drink. – whether it was a hood drink or not. Who cares??And yes, I do think that a conversation can be had. I just do not think it is about what this kid bought to eat. What Zimmerman did is not altered by this video. It is just tasteless piling on the victim at this point.
LAC, what was on that site with video doesn’t make me think anything worse re: TM or that something there is indicative of him doing any drugs or deserving death. It is just interesting………………………so little known about him in life. So little understood about what he was doing, or even about how he looked and carried himself in life. This stuff is just of interest…………….certainly not a thing to do with either the trial nor GZ. i plead the First
This video was brought to my attention by commenters. I chose to post it here so they could discuss it. I said in my original post that I was not making a comment one way or another. I have attempted to answer questions and clarify points of fact. I don’t think reviewing a security tape of the victim prior to death is in any way “tasteless” or “piling on.” You seem very angry with me for some reason. Perhaps it would be helpful if you explained your reasoning for finding GZ guilty. What evidence has the prosecution provided that shows, ill-will, spite, hatred or evil intent to your satisfaction?
I don’t know where you get off thinking that I think that this is a slam dunk second degree murder case. More than likely, if this creep gets anything, it is going to be voluntary manslaughter. He stalked, confronted, and killed an unarmed man. He is not the police nor in any position or authority to have followed that kid. His actions led to what happened. He hasn’t shown the slightest remorse for his actions.
I am not angry with you for posting this tape – i questioned your taste level and wonder what this has to do with anything that happened that night. Every day, some kid is walking into a 7-11, probably with his music too loud, buying some junk and is on his merry way. I did not see the significance. I am not the only here who questioned that, but I am one who gets “you’re a racist” off the bat. That annoyed the shit out of me. I do not care what Trayvon Martin was buying at the 7 -11. I am tired of this poor kid getting dragged through the mud or viewed like some anthropology project for bored people. I am sure he was no saint but he was someone’s child and he is dead. And nothing in that video makes what Zimmerman did right.But he will get better than he deserved, and that is the real injustice of this.
I HAVE NEVER, EVER seen a judge treat a defendant like that. Since when does the defendant have to state their desire to testify or not BEFORE THE DEFENSE IS FINISHED PRESENTING. And her yelling at West. WTF? I have never witnessed anything remotely close to this.
Is this judge elected or appointed? I am going to guess elected.
This was horrid!
We’ve got a few of those older — dare I say menopausal — female judges out here on this side of the coast who make this judge seem meek. It’s a damn shame and it only has the effect of diminishing the public’s respect for our judiciary and courts.
LAC: First, did you find some Freudian need to use the word creep? (just asking)
Second, this is a BLOG………….we plead the First on our Right to discuss whatever we choose…………taste? whatever, we are, by majority, alot in inquisitve minds who like to discuss what we find of interest………….and note we quetion one-another on a regular basis, generally without vitriol………a bunch of folks who have two motives: 1) how about the law, the trial, the witnesses; 2) “hey, did you see this research, post, etc”
Never considered myself a reasearcher of some anthropology project…………sounds like you got a problem, please do explain from which it stems, if you could or would.
But you and i, we do differ on ONE THING: i believe this was self defense……….i am so very sad that it happened, but i do not think that TM was anyone but a participant in the final outcome………….sure, not what he would want,, not what anyone would want………..but, i revert back to a former comment i made: nothing is every 100% there is never 100% “right” or 100% wrong…………it is life…….yes so very tragic, but not just for TM and his family. In my mind, it is tragic for GZ and his family, and, regretfully, on an even greater scale, for the state of the state, meaning this country is entirely too focused on such missions of PC, to the point that ALL of us are affected. i repeat: “ALL OF US”!!!!
LAC you are totally wrong about TT, in my opinion. She is trying to provide a place where all of us can discuss our thoughts about this case openly, and try to figure out the truth.
Since I posted my comment wondering about the video, I have read a little more on the web, and people seem to be speculating that perhaps Trayvon was “paranoid” (from smoking) and that could be a reason to suspect why he may have confronted GZ. I do think if I were GZ’s defense attorney, I would be trying to show that maybe Trayvon wasn’t exactly a model teen, and perhaps was looking for trouble himself. Maybe he AND GZ were both looking for trouble. But if GZ’s background can be investigated, then shouldn’t Trayvon’s be as well?
LAC…if you dont preach!!! I m just lurking to see you CHECK TT hell Im so pissed off at her bias azz comments Im just shocked….heck regardless of who we as the public think what should happen to GZ. TT lack of compassion for TM family is scary. Heck even FOX news said GZ was wrong….maybe he didnt do it in malice but TM is dead and GZ needs to be held accountable.
George Zimmerman IS being held accountable. He sits daily in a courtroom, being judged, not by an impartial jury of his peers, but by the likes of Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson and President “if I had a son, he would look like Travon” Obama. They are the ones who should be held responsible for turning this tragic death into a white against black crime. George Zimmerman WILL be held accountable if he’s found guilty or not guilty. The hate stirred up by those outside sources makes Zimmerman a dead man walking.
Is that accountable enough for you?
There you are! I’m still reading comments. I was looking for someone to give me an amen on that point. Why would it matter? Thank you Cam!!
Psst! Hey sasha Phaedra is on HLN After Dark! ( I am sort of recapping it if you don’t want to endure it yourelf.)
Nope. And miss out on all this fun?
Sorry TT. I couldn’t even finish watching the show. I bowed out, after Phaedra’s intro, then obvious lack of participation. I really don’t watch HLN After Dark very often, unless of course the “hot” Joey Jackson is on. Though he was there last night, I couldn’t tune in for very long.
There is simply a lack of professionalism displayed on all the HLN shows right now, so I don’t usually tune in. Unless of course, there is a “bombshell.”
This might be a good time to admit that David Otunga straddling a foam body kept me tuned in…
i really like Joey Jackson, too………..another brainy guy with sense of humor
Sense of humor in a man (or anyone for that matter) is key! More sexy than looks or intelligence, IMO.
during arias trial testimony was updated here so could catch up if needed..thanx. Now its hard to even ask a question 🙁
Steve = check my reply above. I will help as much as I can and I am sure others will chime in or correct me.
Steve, and others, many of us have been looking at this trial from two perspectives: one is trial and witnesses…….if you can’t watch actual testimony on youtube, then there is a site called something like trayvonmartin/axiomamnesia.com that review all witnesses and testimony. Sorry for rabid discussions and YES there is alot of “not relevant” to trial talk going on as well……………….just some of us want to share info find it interesting….albeit misconstrued as inappropriate…………
“Bombshell tonight”………oh HELL no, that’s not me, i meant “Jesus Christ on a bicycle” i did a little net research (trying to consider sources) and gathered info that is really irrelevant as to alot of trial/case, but still:
Started with me noting on autopsy report that TM had 10 cents in his pocket. Exacerbated by the clear dollar(s) in his hand when he left 7-11. Combined with the time it took for him to walk home, other guys who followed into and out of 7-11 after him, the fact he had a lighter, and the THC testing, And someone brought up Puple Dank or the bazillion other names it goes by, combined with someone sharing some knowledge of “fake cannabis you could get at 7-11”. So, here is what i found/learned. There are alot of designer drugs out there. There are plenty of websites with user talkin about them. I will discuss only two, as these are the ones that we have been talking about………….except i do want to interject that horrible Miami (was it?) situation with the guy that cannibalized some stranger after doing “bath salts”.
there is a site called stattesting that describes the lot of these and their street names.
1) Purple drank-mixing certain ingredients together can produce some marajuana-type effects……….ideal is watermelon tea, skittles or jolly ranchers and codeine in some form….can substittue a variety of ingredients, including Robitussin with Dextromethophan (cough suppessant) but generally this seems to be a downer…….although exceptions exist in literature i read. the blood testing for this is negligible………maybe find codiene, or components of Robitussin……they still don’t test for skittles or arizona watermelon as yet (i am kidding )
2) Cannabanoid substances (JWH-018 and HU-210 among others), and marijuana-type drugs synthetically made in lab and usually combined with other spices—-legal ingredients. the deal with these is you can smoke, eat……..and since not the “true weed/THC” this will not show up in the blood as THC or anything. Effects of this is supposed to be majorly bigger than pot alone………like super high to the point of psychoses.
As i end, i am not saying anything except for the missing dollar bills and the unusual stuff at 7-11.
i am sorry, i forgot to say that drug number 2 is aka Spice
Doc, one guest on some show or article said that the liver showed signs of damage. Can you tell that from autopsy report?
dont think so……….maybe slightly fatty but histology (microscopic exam of cells) normal——normal size, etc
Thanks All. Not in crops this and next week are metal roofs on barns..40ft in air on metal so not my cheerful self. But despite my feelings for GZ as a person i still have an open mind for the trial and why im asking questions and not statements. DOCWAL..are there side effects for *trifexis* my vet wants to put my husky on it for parasite prevention.. Thank you all
I am going to take an hour or two break. Dinner, the bachelorette, Furiously scratching my mosquito bites (when will I learn no fetch at dusk?) Try to behave, comment moderation will be delayed.
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Tamara Tattles
i hate those little mo-foes TT……..my yard has never had such puddles so i am harvesting alot of mosquitos. Just wait til after this tropical storm hits end of weekend!
Steve, there may be alot of hype about Trifexis out there. I do rec for some clients, depending on situation:
1) note this is once a month HW, intestinal worm and flea control product. At my practice, the monthly savings is considerable compared to using separate products.
2) the two components of Trifexis are milbimycin (aka Interceptor, which we have used for many years, until was a withdrawl for manufacturing issues-made by another company than trifexis)……combined with spinosad (Comfortis) which is a 30 day flea pill.
3) My opinion, in general, is this is a great thing………..mind you, docwall does not use new chemicals on her patients…….she typically waits 2 years until using….i prefer that my patients are not part of the real-life trials that show adverse effects (i have made exceptions, but this is my general practice philosophy prior to using newer RX’s.)
4) Comfortis(spinosad) is a GREAT flea control product but does not prevent or treat ticks
5) The combo Trifexis is generally a good thing, but, there are contraindications:
not for epileptics; not for dogs on ivermectin for demodectic mange (they don’t need the milbimycin anyway if on ivermectin)
I estimate about 20% of my patients cannot tolerate eating trifexies. Meaning, they vomit. we stress with clients that it must be given on full stomach, but still, some will throw it up. And to be fair, a few just seem ADR (official southern medical term meaning “ain’t doing right”).
It is a large chew-tab. Of my 5 dogs, three eat readily on dry kibble dinner —they are pigs. one maybe eats, if i disguise well, and the last will never it……….i pill him after the meal.
Soooooooo, i say, if ticks issue, not best choice. If GI problems, intermittent or otherwise, maybe not great idea. Otherwise, i would give it a go……………especially if you are having the flea issues so many of us are having Comfortis (spinosad) is fabulous at flea control My suggestion is that you buy one or two month’s worth, especially if you have flea issues. If well-tolerated, then full-speed ahead. If you have tick issue or love what you are using, then “if it ain’t broke, then don’t fix it”
sorry, i do so run on, but want to be comprehensive
I cannot calm down, I have a pretty thick skin, I really do but that person that said or inferred that this is about racism is just wicked. I am a lot of things but racist, that is just a lie. I won’t speak for anyone else, but I take serious offense at that, I truly do.
I was offended by a comment the other day by someone who said he/she couldn’t stomach the “racism masquerading as objectivity.” The implication being that anyone who didn’t share his/her view (GZ is guilty) was a racist. Apparently, trying to be fair and objective about the facts of this trial equates to racism in his/her eyes……… Who knew that “drinking syrup” could be taken as a racist statement ~ I certainly didn’t! Live and learn.
That is a good point, thank you for saying that. I know who I am and I OK with that.
I feel for you Isabella. I got flack a while back for comments I made that were in no way rascist (which no one could possibly conclude if they knew my background and upbringing). It wouldn’t matter if I said “the sky today appears to be blue”, there’d be those who want to “dance” with me about the color or accuse me of “personal attacks”. And all because I have an opinion based on the “evidence” (i.e., the facts presented to the jury) and the “law” that differs from theirs. I’m sure if “Georgie” (their pet name for GZ) is convicted, they can all tell us with glee how we were wrong, but my opinion — regardless of verdict — is just that. An opinion.
Thank you. I felt blind sided. I am not a racist, I just was floored to be called one. I have faults and quirks, pick on the legit ones if you must, but racism???? GIVE ME A BREAK.
Didn’t one of Zimmerman’s character witnesses call him Georgie.
Ooooh, Doc & Steve that is what I use on my house dog. It has worked for over 2 months combatting fleas w/just 1 dose. I take the food to my vet b/c Inky HATES the pill and he gives it to her. She’s a water spaniel and the 1st dog I can’t force to take a little pill. I had airedales before her so I know spirited dogs.
Peach, fullstomach no puking, it’s all good!
I haven’t wanted to watch much of the Zimmerman trial for a host of reasons. Truth is we will never know what happened with total accuracy that night. When I watched the Casey Anthony trial I anticipated a hung jury or a not guilty verdict because I thought there was just too much missing in the prosecution’s case. When they charged Zimmerman with second degree, I felt we would get the same outcome. It makes me sad because I personally believe that in both cases Anthony and Zimmerman a murder took place, but hey I also believe that in the OJ case a murder took place as well.
What burns me is that I think the police dropped the ball on the Zimmerman case because of the buddy buddy relationship that they had with him. Given the 911 call and George’s comments and the fact that when I heard the 911 call I felt he was running and following Trayvon and don’t have any clear indication of exactly when/if he stopped. Do I believe there are parts of the story with respect to Trayvon missing? Yes I do, but I also feel George is fast on his feet or as part of his feeling like a big man strapping on a gun and being locked and loaded, I wonder if George wasn’t advised to have a story ready. I remember a friend who kept a sawed off shot gun in his house but still not at an illegal length. He told his wife that if she was home alone and heard anything, to just sit at the top of the stairs and shoot and then drag the body to the door entrance before calling the cops (CT law provided for the ability to defend your home against an intruder). I say this just to point out whether effective or not, people do think about the what ifs and try to be prepared for them.
I would feel better if the police had forced George to go to the hospital to have his injuries thoroughly checked and documented, since he claimed self defense just to document how severe his injuries were (was his head smacked repeatedly or just a scaping, etc.). I think it might have been more effective than the facts of a clinic the next day or an expert looking at pictures after the fact. I believe that if George had been taken into custody that night after the hospital, held and questioned before being released this might have all blown over and there might not have been a need to call in a special prosecutor.
Just as in Anthony I think the prosecution unfortunately over reached in their charge and went for the maximum rather than what might have been a case that could be won. The more appropriate charge for George given the evidence might have been manslaughter.
What makes this case so hard for me is that I believe George went looking for trouble that night and was irresponsible and also I think he lied a lot. Doesn’t make the proof against him any better, just makes me more mad that he most likely will walk and the life of a young man has been snuffed out when it didn’t have to happen. I would imagine Trayvon’s family will file a wrongful death suit and might have better results with that since the burden of proof is less but who knows if even that is enough. The fact remains that Zimmerman will pay for what he did even if it is only in having to remain in hiding and finding it difficult to get a job. I don’t think it is enough but it will have to be and there is nothing I can do about it.
BTW curious but does anyone else think like I do, that George’s attorney told him to gain all this weight as part of his image for the trial? I agree with TT that the prosecution didn’t prove it’s case but also the defense was very effective in how they handled this case, just as Baez was. I guess it all boils down to the actual evidence, how the testimony goes and the skill of both the prosecution and the defense. This is our justice system and most of the time it works and I firmly believe that our rights have to be protected. So that means that sometimes guilty people walk. That in my opinion is why the verdict reads “not guilty” rather than “innocent”.
Not being aggressive, but you are truly the first person I know of, except for Casey’s defense lawyer, who felt that the prosecution did not prove at least some of the charges. I still am in shock that she walked. Don’t know how those jurors sleep at night.
Not taking it as aggressive Cher and let me try to be clearer if I can. I didn’t mean to say (didn’t think I said it) that the prosecution didn’t prove any charges. I think it was crystal clear that Casey just by pure logic had hand in her daughter’s death. I think there was more to the story that they weren’t able to address and that is where I think they lost….using reasonable doubt as the standard. I was not at all satisfied that I knew the role that George and Cindy played in their grand daughters death, not saying they did it but they were covering something up. Problem is I don’t know precisely what they were covering up but I always felt it was clear they lied on the stand and I thought it had more to do than with just protecting their daughter. So on the basis that the answers to those questions was not explained I think the charge was too big for the jury to come back with a guilty because of the doubt over what other parties were privy to the facts of the death (before, during and/or after). I think if they had the option to go for a lesser charge she would have been convicted.
I just think that the average juror when it comes to taking away a persons life or freedom for life is going to want a lot more preciseness in the proof before they convict, without that a request for conviction that doesn’t include the ability to find for a lesser charge is like a roll of the dice, it can come up either way.
I think just like in the Zimmerman case, the emotions of the reality of a life snuffed make most of us thirst for someone to have to pay and I agree with that. I didn’t want to see Casey walk, I personally think she was guilty as hell. But I also think there was a lot that Cindy and George did not fess up to and to this day, that aspect still bothers me.
This is where I think the non stop grandstanding of HLN does harm to the process, most people are tried and convicted on tv long before the trial starts. I am not at good as TT, I don’t always start with the presumption of innocence if my view has been tainted. I like to think I will reverse my opinion but have never had a murder trial to sit on. I did change in Zimmerman, I went in thinking he would be charged and found guilty but as the case unfolded, I found pieces of the puzzle missing and the minute that happens then the burden of proof required is not met. I think as a juror, I would sleep a lot better letting a guilty person off than I would convicting an innocent person. So while Casey may not have been innocent, under the law she was.
I hope that makes better sense to you…..and thanks for giving me the opportunity to try to clarify my position.
I agree with Cher………the prosecution absolutely, without a doubt, proved their case against Casey Anthony. The only 12 people in the entire country who couldn’t see the truth, unfortunately, were seated on the jury! I can’t imagine that many people even considered a hung jury, never mind an acquittal! I also don’t believe Jose Baez was effective…..he was a damn liar! Sexual allegations against George and brother Lee were totally unfounded. Caylee drowning in the family pool and the supposed events that followed were total BS. Unfortunately, the jury fell for his crap…… hook, line and sinker. I still wonder if they really understood “reasonable doubt” or they were just that gullible!
i have often thought that the CA jurors were having a love affair mentally with Baez……i mean kinda cute and sweet and meek versus Jeff Ashton, who is brilliant, clever, and a bit cynical at times……..i thought he made great points and presentation, but sometimes he went from A to G, without stressing or enumerating the clear logic for this…………….ie, maybe over some of the jurors’ heads at times. Compare to JM, who i also adore, and what i see similar in both of these men are supberb minds…………..however, JM had more obvious passion for the victim and he made it a point to drive home a finding over and over, just to drive it home in mind of jurors. OH yeah, i found Baez to be a liar of the worst kind.
It’s elementary, my dear Docwall……we (TT’s posters) are a smart bunch ~ or maybe a bunch of smart-asses (I’m not sure which)! By having an open forum to discuss the issues of this case, relevant or not, we come to a better understanding of the law and each other. Not much “goes over our heads” because there are so many intelligent posters who will set one another straight! 🙂
GZ was taken into custody and questioned. And returned the next day to do a walk through with the lead detective.
No, I don’t think GZ’s attorney told him to gain all that weight. He had been very heavy before but had lost weight about year or so before and quite honestly, speaking as a person that has lost over 100 lbs. it is a constant struggle to keep the weight off. So, I think it was only natural that GZ gained back the weight he had lost.
For the life of me I can NOT understand how people KNOW GZ went looking for trouble!
Where is this ten cents coming from???
I swear I remember Trayvon had a can of iced tea and a bag of Skittles and about $40 in cash. I googled and CNN seems to remember it too.
autopsy reports site only 10 cents in belongings…….perhaps i misread, will recheck
yep……..10 cents…….i suppose someone must have stolen the other $39.90….
Now that’s another can of worms…..YIKES!
The police report says they collected $40.15 from the victim’s pockets. Here’s a link to about 200 pages of police documents, look on page 7.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/Zimmerman_Discovery.pdf
After police collected the $40.15 then the ME found an additional ten cents.
hey, thanks for that link………….had not seen that!!!
I specifically remember seeing dollars in plastic…stated as $40…when the lady, last name Smith, her husband also testified, showed several items that were taken. I remember a first aid kit, as well. Question asked where it came from.
I have a link up there that Tamara has to moderate, as soon as she approves it you can see the $40.15 mentioned several times as well as the watch and $0.10 from the ME.
so now, looking briefly over your link, any indication as to dollar denominations in that booty?
It didn’t say in the pages I looked at but I haven’t read all of them. There sure are a lot of witness statements.
holy moley, the hearing just ended and the defense lawyers were arguing with the judge over scheduling! Very tense.
This trial just doesn’t sit well with me. It’s not like O.J. Simpson or Jodi Arias… This was a kid. I think it’s strange to see it all over the media. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
This hearing just ended at 10:00 PM and it ended with the judge just walking out while Don West/Omara t were still talking! There were fireworks! The defense again stated that there was evidence not turned over or hidden. The judge ended also by saying there has been a violation of sequestration and she is not happy about that. I didn’t follow all of it but there was testimony about a lot of texts/pictures found on Trayvon’s phone. 1 text message is about buying a handgun. That message was within the week before Trayvon was killed.There are worries that they cannot be properly authenticated.Some stuff including a lot of pictures were double encrypted. Tomorrow AM should be big.
Linda, who brought up the texts and pictures found on TM’s phone…defense or prosecution? Uh-oh…wonder how the sequestration was violated? Yep, big day tomorrow.
Wait what? pictures brought up in court? Sequestration violated? what did I miss?
Well missy, you missed plenty/1 I didn’t even realize court was still going on but it went until 10:00 PM EST and ended with the judge saying she would rule on everything at 8:00 AM and O’Mara/West were still talking to her when her door shut. They had a tech guy that went through Trayvon’s phone and the are test messages that they want in. Texts are about fights or a fight that Trayvon was in; they found pictures that were password protected and some said to be adult content (he was a teenage boy after all) .I don’t know that they are asking for the pictures to be admitted. I wasn’t directly monitoring the testimony so somethings I got in synopsis from AC 360
Oh, and things really got hot when West again stated that the State kept things from them and made other things hard to get – that was tense.
The sequestration is about Donnolly who testified for Zimmerman as did Mrs. Donnolly. He is the one who was in Viet Nam and learned how to distinguish who was screaming.
Judge wants them back at 8:00 AM and she will make her rulings. She wants them to close tomorrow.
The defense wants it in. They had an expert go thru phone and retrieve stuff. Judge will rule in AM on admissibility.
The sequestration issue is a witness named Donnelly who has been seen in the courtroom
is the the graphics animator? who is he?
You mean what is his name? I don’t remember – he did animation for Iron Man movies and has done a lot for trials.
graphics is Schumacher Donnelly if same one, is friend of gz who bought him suits, etc. yesterday, there was talk of this………..
Daniel Schumaker Animation Person
donnelly testified yesterday……….sweet guy PA…remember?
Was he the Viet Nam Vet that bought Zimmerman the suits/ties and taught him how to tie a knot?
The cute father figure old guy with cheeks you want to pinch?
that’s who i think they are speaking of ………….he could play santa any day……sweet (little koolaid drinking cracker…..shit it didn’t mean that last part-just thought i might pre-empt a few here)
It will be bad for the defense if they strike his testimony. He was very believable and if I were on the juror I would be REALLY wondering why.
Oh and Defense has wanted those pics in FOREVER. Especially the gun one. But they will never let that in. They must be trying for the pot ones now that the pot evidence is in.
News sources reporting Donnelly testimony stays put. What a relief!
Tamara, come back, we need you!
Sandra, not like you can’t deal…………..she has Banjo issues and alot of other blogs..but , then again, maybe she dared to go out for a walk, or i dunno, run a marathon………..hit Kilimenjaro for a quick sprint…….woman, stand your ground oh yea, i almost forgot: 🙂 🙂 :-0
Well said Doc, I was just going to say Grow Up.
Cute.
How do you make those. Should I use a cell phone?
It was said in jest!!!! Shoulda used a smiley face!
ya damn stright, Sandra :-*
hey, does WP have a flip the bird face???
;-(
No, but I’m working on a “pendejo” version. I’ll let you know when I’ve perfected it.
:-O
:-8
:[email protected]
:-p
Damn…still working on it. LOL
The first try above is Jodi Arias. 🙂
First try – Jodi with one hole/ second try – Jodi with two holes/ Now you need Jodi with three holes! UGGHHH
Forget it Katelin. They are being sneaky again. Don’t get caught up in it.
A little paranoid tonight, sasha? 🙂 🙂
“Lady, don’t even think about it
You worry about the wrong things, the wrong things….”
There’s the proverbial “they” and the “sneaky” obsession. Let it go, girl. Have some fun. You worry about the wrong things.
Hi Purv. So, now you determine what’s right and wrong. Does the “they”, “sneaky” fit. Oh, but, that’s just your opinion. I get it. It’s just sad that so many people come here to interface with people with differing opinions, and they are basically chased away. No everyone believes that nastiness and negativity is fun. Even with the smiley faces.
Again, I (currently) enjoy participating on this site. I can express myself as I choose, ignore what I want, and come and go as I please. I simply don’t see the fun in taunting or belittling anyone. Hey, but, if that makes you happy…go for it. Just, don’t come for me.
unless you send for her, of course. 🙂
🙂 Too funny!
Yikes. I’ve gone to the above link and watched the videos and I’m gobsmacked. I’ve snooped pretty deep into this myself, but I’m flipped out over the 7-11 video and the commentary.
And….the video of the interview that Bernie did with “DeeDee” has me a bit confused. This sure isn’t Rachel Jeantel. But this gal is giving a statement as the last person who spoke to TM. This DeeDee is a better conversationalist than our Rachel.
And, then there’s the matter of the “DeeDee” who was the stenogragher of the letter that Rachel dictated to TM’s mother.
Rachel uses the names DeeDee and Diamond.
DeeDee on the tape and Rachel testifying in court seem so different to me in more ways than just the weight. Completely different hair and style. The mumbles and truncated words are even more difficult to hear and understand. The past 1 1/2 years haven’t been kind.
Ma, there are people who believe that RJ is NOT DeeDee.
They are about 100 # apart and the speech patterns and vocabulary are way different. That sort of deception is monumental, if true.
I’ve spent the last hour poking around the internet and everything I have found thus far indicates that witness #8 is Rachel “Dee Dee” Jeantel. ………….MaRiley, you mentioned Rachel’s weight and hair, but the only interview tape I could find did not show either Rachel or Bernie. (just voices)……Then again, how could Dee Dee write a letter for Rachel if Rachel is really Dee Dee? Very confusing, indeed!
Bobbi, I assumed (yep, I know) that the “still” on the video was the person who last spoke to TM, altho there isn’t a motion picture, which seems peculiar to me. I don’t believe in coincidences, esp in such a high stakes criminal trial. This smells rotten.
I just read that Crump was deposed by the defense over the past weekend. I would love to watch a crooked lawyer get skewered on the stand, if possible.
It’s rare for me be impressed by defense attorneys. West and O’Mara remind me of one of Juan’s traits….they are half a dozen questions ahead of whomever they question. It shows the Prosecution as sleazy in contrast.
The Rachel/DeeDee twist is intriguing.
MaRiley, the interview I listened to was on the link TT provided (the conservative tree house). The “still” on that video was of Trayvon Martin ~ I found the still you were referring to and I definitely see what you mean. That certainly does NOT look like the same Rachel we saw on the witness stand! (Hmmmm) ……….WWJD? (What Would Juan Do?) 🙂
And I still don’t get what the deal is about the dictated letter. Who did write the cursive words?
I believe it was a friend of Rachel’s that she dictated it to.
Rachel testified that DeeDee wrote it for her, if I’m remembering it properly.
I think the problem with the Donnaly/VietNam vet is that he heard the ‘scream tape’ more times than he said or earlier than he said. I may be wrong.
i read some reference to “sequestration violation”, so makes me think he watched trial or spoke to someone when he was not supposed to until done with testimony??
If I remember correctly, when the prosecutor deposed Donelly he was not suppose to testify about the ‘yells for help’ on the 911 tape because he had not listened to it and the prosecutor jumped up with an objection when O’Mara started questioning him about it and the judge said they would discuss it later. O’Mara then questioned Donelly about when he’d listened to the 911 tape, last Saturday, and asked when he called and told O’Mara…which was Sunday night. So, wondering if that’s the problem.
Done and done with this blog until the trial is over for obvious reasons. I really like this blog and I want to continue liking it so I will stay away. It amazes how Georgie got his gun out of a holster INSIDE his pants or how Trayvon saw his gun with it inside his pants. FYI Tamara, that’s a fact he had an inside holster.
Bye-bye! I’m sure you’ll come back with something to say if he’s convicted. See you then!
interject here: 1) inside holsters are made such that they are concealed but accessible; 2) GZ never said he “knew” TM was going for the gun, but that he thought he might have been;
Doc, GZ’s friend, the one that suggested the gun, said a gun can be pulled much easier from an inside holster. He said guns can sometimes get ‘caught’ in outside holsters.
Tamara Tattles at the end of the day this boy or child did not have to die. I have been watching you drag this case through the mud when George Zimmerman is convict guilty of manslaugter or murder. Then you should take your comment back. Most teens smoke weed at his age and did things there parents did not know that does not make them a bad person. You are just like Mark Omara and Don West. I pray George Zimmerman is guilty he needs to go to jail period.
Please point out where I have been “dragging this case through the mud.” Praying for someone to be guilty seems odd.
I agree what you said because I feel TT has been dragging this case through the mud as well. Like I said someone lost there child rather he smoked week or crack no one deserves to be killed TM was not breaking the law from what I saw/heard through the media. It really amazes me that this was someone CHILD this was not a grown man but a child. Were is the compassion. GZ killed child. Why is everyone missing this….
uuuhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm, i don’t think anyone who talks here on a regular basis is missing that………..it is just that many of us believe in our judicial system and also on the judicial process. DEE, have you actually watched the trial? have you ever considered the possibility that GZ acted in self-defense?
how closed is your mind? how open are you to looking at real evidence and coming to conclusions based upon this, versus what little you likely gather from friends and TV? i am just asking…………if you have watched trial, i am quite eager to hear your thoughts about testimony and evidence………..Good? Lee? all others? For me, some blanket statement that GZ is guilty b/c he got out of car is (sorry) reflective of an uninformed imbecile. lets talk trial, not lack of consideration to Rights and The Law (GD this future generation scares the hell out of me.)
The issue with Donnaly is still not settled. He was in court 1 day for part of the testimony after the judge said he couldn’t be there. The animation can be used in MOM’s closing but NOT as evidence. In the course of reading about this, I read that this judge is often overturned by the higher court. She has given GZ so many reasons to get a new trial. After watching EVERY minute of JA and seeing Judge Stephens give her EVERY possible consideration when it came to what came into evidence, I have now watched Judge Nelson deny GZ more often than not. Do judges in Florida run for re-election? Nelson has to have made some enemies. Oh, they said Angela Corey is in the courtroom today with TM’s family.Police are preparing for riots and the NAACP convention begins in Miami on Sat.
wow, all amid a tropical storm likely in florida…………..i am liking this witness now, talking about evaluation or the entire picture in this or other cases………..he is easy on the ears, clear, direct………….too bad he is excluded from sharing alot of his professional opinion I agree on judge…….she is probably scared for her life on some levels
peach, Corey’s in court support for TM’s parents is 20 kinds of wrong. Witness intimidation and stirring up the racial pot blows my mind. I’ve got a feeling that Corey is there mostly to intimidate the Judge. Last evening’s airing of the lawyers discussions about the dope and fighting that’s referenced by TM on his phone is now out in the public, whether it’s ever allowed into the record for the jurors or not. I don’t think Zimmerman’s attorneys are one bit intimidated. The prosecution attorneys are sniveling and sleazy. And I’m sick to death of all the swearing they do, while they beg forgiveness for their language.
Angie’s looking a little rough………..what i would give for jury to know what she with-held from GJ
Did you notice the look on Corey’s face when the Mr. Guy was not getting the desired results they hope for with the PI, ex-cop, or whatever he is! He sure knew how to take Guy’s questions and turn them around.
BTW, I watched the testimony with the ME last night. I almost fail out of my chair when Bernie asked him if GZ’s wounds could have been from a tree. Then they showed the pictures of those tiny trees! LOL If he goes back and watches any of this trial on YouTube he is going to realize how really dumb some of his questions were.
Ma, the prosecutors’ attempts at jovial camaraderie and trying be become best buds with defense witnesses is nauseating. (And so obvious!).
Guppy-lipped lawyer keeps flapping his arms around and I’m afraid he’s going to fly out of the court-room. Thinks he’s running with the big boys, but asks some really ineffectual questions. I love it when he asks a defense witness something that he hopes will trip them up or bolster the prosecution side, and the response ends up confirming the defense, or it falls absolutely flat.
Cheesy-moustache lawyer (hey guy, Magnum PI ended 20 years ago and it only ever looked good on Tom Selleck) is in permanent “objection!” mode and never really allows his butt to touch the chair seat before popping up again like some demented jack-in-the-box. And his voice gets higher and squeakier and louder with each ensuing remark or question.
The lawyers are all doing their jobs. Let’s leave out the mocking or either side. We have enough emotional observations in this section of comments already.
OOOOO Sandra, another victim to the “completely biased liplashing” of TT……..hehehe (enter that tiny violin we discussed on Everest)
Sorry… ((sigh))
Thanks Doc, I was feeling lonely out here.
Thanks for this Peach. I’ll bold it when I get through all the comments. What was the ruling on the text and photos from TM phone?
denied.
See my apology above for giving bad information. No and no.
O’Mara to Guy, “May I borrow your doll?” heh.
THAT was amazeballs!!
What does is matter if he has a praying hands tattoo TT?? Let’s try to remember this is someone’s child. Maybe if you have some leftover money that everyone donated to your defense, you can donate it to your friend George!
The prosecution brought the praying hands tattoo into evidence in order to get in character of TM. (Character of both TM and GZ have been excluded by the judge) Because that was the character evidence presented in court, that was the terminology I used while presenting the alternative.
The praying hands tattoo is new and covers some gang symbol that Mr. Martin had before TM’s death.
What are you talking about and what is your source? I was talking about TM’s praying hands tattoo memorializing (If I recall correctly his grandmother).
So sorry, again.The dad, Tracy Martin, had some sort of gang tattoo and in the last year has had it changed to praying hands. The source is the Conservative Treehouse and I read that about 10 days ago. I do NOT know any facts and I am not flamethrowing.
People donated out of a desire to assist someone that they liked and enjoyed. No one was coerced into doing it. I am quite sure if is far less than “everyone” that you allude to Once a donation is given it is up to the receiver to allocate it as desired and not really anyone’s business. I am quite sure that it could even be reinvested into the blog that we all benefit from.
Sweet Jesus! The prosecution is straddling a foam black “dummy”. God, he must have gotten the short straw.
At least he didn’t have to bring one from home…
Mr. Guy sure is angry! He’s trying hard to shake this guy up. The guy doesn’t seem to be intimidated but doesn’t seem to remember too much. Seems like he is being questioned outside of what his job was.
Guy is trying to make points on issues outside scope of this witness’ purpose. Not hurting what Root has said, just trying to discredit him and try to accuse him of not being thorough…………i do not think it takes from his expertise at all…………Guy has to do what he has to do to try to influence
In My opinion if GZ was as afraid as he claimed he never would have gotten out of his car. Also when I was 17 yrs old & a white looking guy was following me on a rainy night I would instantly think he was attempted to kidnap me, & my husband & nephews all adult black men agree they would think the same thing. I’m only stating this to say everyone has there scary stereotypes that could cause over reactions on both parts. BTW The prosecutions case does suck.
typo:their
can you imagine if a white woman said that here about a black man following her? i take you as being honest, and i so respect that…….
GZ’s fear seems more to have come much later , when he was getting the snot beat our of him , no help when he called, and he could not see another way out…..
Society says black people are scary everyday. I think that is what this is all about. Hell I am a black female. I get followed in Publix almost every week. It makes me sort of laugh. But a memory that still makes me sad, is when I was in the 5th grade and I was accused of stealing by my teacher. I had on some crazy outfit. It had about 20 pockets. She and another teacher took me into a room and checked every pocket. As I cried. She seemed devestated that I did not have the money. I was the only black in the class. Funny the money was still missing, but no one else was humiliated or searched. There was no reason for my teacher to do what she
did. It was her prejudice. I believe Trayvon had a right to fear this man. George can be heard saying(on the recorded call) they always get away. George did not witness Trayvon committing any crimes. But yet he was escaping. His statement was illogical. George had no authority to do what he did. It was racial profiling if we are going to be honest. It seems more logical that George caused the confrontation. He believed Trayvon had committed a crime. He was following him. He did not want him to get away. If he wanted to be security, look the part. I am sure,if George Zimmerman looked the part of security, Trayvon would have asked for directions to get home. The kid was probably lost. It happened to me several times when I first moved into my subdivision. One night I tried to help a young woman. Her car broke down at the drugstore. In the next shopping center a lady pulled up. We went to approach her. Because it was late she instructed us to stay back. When we tried to explain she repeated her command to stay back. I understand. If we were criminals she was now in a vulnerable spot. Blockbuster was closed. She was only returning a movie. Now if I was dressed in a police uniform, she probably would have felt safer to be approached. I understand. George lied to our court system. I don’t have any money. When he has thousands. Yet he is to be believed. So sad.
I do not know if you will read this Ann but about 10 yrs ago I was in Blockbuster. It was nearly empty except for me (whitest women in the world) and a young black man, I want to say late teens. I picked out my video and took it to the counter. The person working behind the desk said to her co-worker, “Stay with that N, they steal, do not let him out the door with out checking him over”. I was floored. Really floored. I called her an idiot, went over the the young man and said come with me. He looked at me like I was on syrup, but he did follow. I took him to the counter and told him what was said about him. I also had the people working there call the owner and then call the head of the franchise and tell both people what they said about this kid. They all apologized. I turned in my Blockbuster card, suggested to the kid he do the same and we left. I was stunned that the color of your skin could be used against you, naive yes, but I would not tolerate that. So I am sorry for your experiences in life. It is unfair and hopefully things will or are changing.
Dear Ann, i hear your pain and am so sorry. Thank you for sharing how you feel.
Doc If any man is following me I’m worried but I’m speaking about a the possible mind set of a 17 yr old black boy. Now I also have asked them if the guy was black what would they think? They replied that attempted robbery would come to mind. So Is that racist against themselves or stereo typing. No those are just behaviors assigned (by media & repeated offenses)to men of a certain race. I’m Also saying before we judge anyone realize that on a dark rainy night everyone is your worst nightmare until proven otherwise.
Kidnap you? That’s what you see if a white person is behind you?
🙂
For ransom?
🙂
So racist.
biting tongue in regard to a “cracker” rebuttal 🙂
Not for ransom for rape & abuse. Not racist just stereotypical reality.
Candace, she is being honest, so please at least give her that. It is these sorts of fears that keep racism alive. That is what we have to learn to change…she is being honest
Candace, she is being honest about her feelings. Please give her that…….this is where we have to all work to end racism and excessive racial sensitivity. She is speaking her reality
Doc I’m in no need of anyone to “give me anything” I’m speaking the reality of many people & the denial of this reality is part of the problem. If you can’t even acknowledge your own (not you personally Doc) biases & prejudices you can’t possibly correct & change them.
ouch- lo siento
Of all the days to get my head shrunk. Was there anything earthshattering I missed? I saw some of the defense and part of the prosecution that seemed about as expected. Now I am home to the Sanford police saying WHATEVER YOU DO DON’T RIOT which to me is the same as saying, don’t think about pink elephants.
i only caught maybe 2 hours………..but heard, on Sirius, about ads in Miami encouraging young people to stay calm, keep cool,
The prosecution has now totally abandoned their initial presentation of the case with regard to TM being on the bottom. Major concession as they now demonstrate the fight with TM on top of GZ.
Kathi Belich from WFTV tweeted yesterday…Bonaparte did not seem happy about testifying. He told me back then the city was worried about being sued for false arrest.
Sorry, who is Bonaparte? I am not up on all the witness names.
Again, if we could move away from arguing with each other in a personal manner, and try our best to calmly state our opinions and the facts without defaming others, as we for the most part have been doing that would be fantastic. Let’s remember we are all adults who like each other in the less serious discussions about housewives and entertainment. It is important that we can have these sorts of discussion without such heightened emotion.
He was the witness before Root. I think he is the city’s general manager. Seemed hostile to O’Mara.
Oh yeah, from yesterday. I commented on his hostility before he even opened his mouth. I would be hostile too if I was about to testify that two politicians had excluded law enforcement from a proceeding that was questionably legal. In essence they interfered with a (woefully conducted) police investigation.
WFTV which I am watching livestream just said that Mr. Donnally (sp) was in the courtroom, but it was before he received his subpoena. No harm, no foul. His testimony stands. Speaking of not being allowed in the courtroom, I think one of the ugliest things the prosecution has done is to not allow GZ’s parents in the courtroom. They testified almost exactly as TM’s parents and his parents were not told to leave the courtroom. Am I misunderstanding something about the victim’s family rights?
I wondered about that, too, Peach. I don’t understand it, either, and wondered if that was some weird law in Florida.
Don’t understand how TM’s parents were allowed to stay in courtroom AND testify, but prosecution has a hissy-fit over Donnelly testimony because he has been in court as well? And not to mention GZ’s mother also testified for defense, but NOT allowed in courtroom?
Judge Nelson bias is unbelievable, as I have been saying all along. Now it’s really blatant, although she allows the odd defense motion to have the thin appearance of not being so lop-sided.
GZ is not testifying. Judge is a bitch.
Legally, as witnesses, GZ’s parents should have been allowed in the courtroom. I also believe that Casey Anthony’s parents should have been sequestered. However, in the CA case the Anthonys were in an unusual situation being both family of the accused AND family of the victim. The Martin’s as all family members of victims should definitely have been allowed in the court under the victims rights laws of Florida.
WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot. The Judge done lost her mind. She’s harrassing GZ to decide about testifying before the defence is near finishing. She must want to catch a bus out of town asap.
Isn’t that odd that the judge would ask GZ if he was going to take the stand before the defense has put on their last witness?
BIOTCH!
And I’ve never seen a Judge put a defendant under oath when they are asked to tell whether or not they choose to testify. This looks like a complete breakdown of procedure. It feels like the Judge is trying to provoke the lawyers into something that could blow this whole thing up.
((insert stare-down from Cory))
Funny you mentioned her Doc. I didn’t know what she looked like – so I googled her, MY, MY, MY – her pic that she has on line looks a whole lot different than she does now. After seeing her I know why she went with the nicer pic!
So I goggled after your comment. If that is her looking better, I’m feeling better about my 64 year old self.
Yep, that she is. Who knows – could she be just as guilty as others about forming an opinion on what the outcome of this trial will be? Simply by her hostility towards the defense leads me to think so. Also, has anyone noticed the slipping of notes between TM’s parents? The camera slips to them during sidebar moments, you can definately see they keep writing things down and passing it between themselves. Also, please spit out the gum, I think that’s just rude in a courtroom.
I know y’all have felt that the judge was biased in favor of the prosecution, but I didn’t believe it until now. This is the most amazing thing I have ever seen in a trial ever. In a murder case the judge always gives the defendant a ton of slack to present their defense to avoid appeals. I am now appalled by this judge.
Unprofessional conduct.
Now O’Mara sounds very very subdued in his questioning of Root now. I wonder what went down at that last sidebar.
Yes, he did. She’s really a monster judge! O’Mara has been a gentleman and very calm spoken during this whole trial, West – well….. he’s O’Mara’s alter ego.
Yeah, clearly O’mara is the good cop and West is the bad cop that draws the fire from the judge to him.
I think the judge has gotten more biased as the trial has gone on. And how she just walked out last night while the defense was talking to her was wrong in many ways.
She cut off the prosecution and adjourned court. Then the defense started whining as she was walking out, from what they showed on TV. I was not watching it.
Seriously, she walked out? I know they had a long day but you just don’t do that. But who holds a judge to accountability, and what can be done about such unprofessional behaviour?
See if she’s partaking of the lean.
She’s not acting normal.
Oh dear, Candace………….just learned yesterday that “drinking the syrup” is a racist statement! Who would have thunk it!
This judge is getting on my last nerve now. She is trying to rush the defense, ruling against them at every turn. I don’t think it really matters as far as the verdict. But The judge herself is tainting the jury against the defense by her apparent bias.
Well, Bobbi, I did not know that. I guess I’m racist against stupid white women judges then. So be it. 🙂
LOL!
This continued testimony looks like a stall. Been said before many times. I’m getting that feeling of “that little man prodding me” like Edward G. Robinson in Double Indemnity. Something fishy is happening. I’ll refer back to my last post……O’Mara’s tone has gotten rambling and he’s drawing things out unnecessarily, right after that lastsidebar.
HOLY CRAP. I didn’t not realize that the defense attorneys were pleading for time on the case when the judge just GOT UP FROM THE BENCH AND WALKED OUT!
Video here.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-judge-rules-out-defense-animation-texts-in-zimmerman-trial-20130710,0,1286960.story
Freakish behavior. What is wrong with her?
Yep, Tamara. I watched it all. She got up while West was trying to get her to realize that the State had hidden things (again) and they were working night and day and still couldn’t get depositions that they’d asked for. They had gone over the guy that did the animation and that was a mess. The text messages and photos on the phone were shown and discussed. She told them to reconvene at 8am this morning to discuss. Then she changed it to 9am and allowed no argument about it. She up and denied those things coming before the jury. I bet her phone records from last night would be interesting.
Here is a link for Steve and others not able to watch the trial that gives a short but reasonable summary of events so far. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Florida_vs._George_Zimmerman
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=4&From=list&SessionID=739573876
Tamara, forgive me for the link. It shows exactly what Zimmerman was pissed about. The thugs getting away. He was let go and later committed another crime.
Judge Nelson asked GZ if he intended to testify and his lawyer, West, objected 3 times and still she made him answer as to when he would make his decision. So damn against every right that a defendent has. Amendment V (US Constitution, also known as Bill of Rights), “No person…shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself.” Now, it’s getting personal to me. When you take the blindfold off of Lady Justice, all of us have a right to be concerned about our right to have a fair trial. Also, the judge ruled last night that none of TM’s tweets, texts, or photos could be used in this trial. The prosecution just asked the neighbor about her tweets. Is that fair?
Amen Peach. Who is going to hold this judge in accountability? Surely she will get some backlash from her actions? GZ looked stunned when the judge asked him again about testifying. He mentioned hearing, she said no – the trial. I hope he doesn’t, he shouldn’t have too, the prosecution will shred him.
Reporter for WFTV just tweeted that when GZ’s father listened to the tape he was under oath. Contrast that to how the Martin’s heard the tape. Something is way off here. What did Macbeth say? “Something evil this way cometh.” Sunshine is ALWAYS the best disinfectant.
I got sidetracked. What happened to the testimony of the young woman. was it allowed in front of the jury? I thought they were questioning her outside the presence of the jury.
It was allowed. She said that the 2 robbers were arrested. The link I posted shows that one of the robbers was let go and he “reoffended” and was finally sent up the river. if he’d been put away by the young mother’s robbery, the next family wouldn’t have been robbed. just like GZ said. They always get away.
Is this judge going to force closing arguments to start today? I get we have a sequestered jury but she seems to be rushing this case at the detriment of the defense.
Also she was re-elected (or elected?) last time and RAN UNOPPOSED. I hope someone steps in to run against her for the next term.
She also testified that GZ visited her after the break in and she appreciated his concern. He also brought her a lock for her sliding glass door; the same door the thieves broke through!
Here goes….will GZ get on the stand?
I agree. I know we’re not supposed to name call – but she’s hateful!
GZ declined to testify, and the defense has rested. No the prosecution is up to bat. Will the defense have another chance after the prosecution?
No, prosecution has the last word. They have the burden of proof.
Yes, the defense will have a chance at rebuttal.
Hi Rose, Kept hearing about rebuttal by prosecution, after defense had put on their last witness and rested their case. So I was expecting the rebuttal to be the last gasping attempt by the prosecution. Last night (Wed) I heard they had three witnesses for rebuttal, two of which were objected to and denied and the third (Arthur Fleischman?), became a non-starter. Thurs should be very interesting, to say the least. Hope the judge will be in a better mood, but I wouldn’t bet on it…
ROSE!!! How is your family? Haven’t stopped thinking of you. Drop us a line if you get a few seconds of time.
The prosecution just said they have 2 witnesses. MOM says, can I know who those witnesses are in order to do discovery? I thought the state had to give their witnesses to the defense. Judge said they still have to settle the Donnaly (sp) matter. I just don’t get this. If this had been Nurmi in the JA trial he would have splayed himself all over the courtroom floor demanding a mistrial. I guess different strokes for different folks. Oh, the prosecution is recalling the gym teacher. Their first question is are you advertising your gym using GZ? OMGosh! How would that work for them???
The state doesn’t know who they will call for rebuttal until they hear the defense’s case. So no, they don’t have to disclose the rebuttal witnesses until after the defense rests. The prosecution has to limit rebuttal to rebutting the defense testimony and not to include any new areas of questioning.
If the judge allows this questioning then I will believe she is totally biased against the defense. This should have been asked about in cross examination. This is not rebuttal.
I don’t think the website ad happened until after cross. I think she will allow it.
I think there’s a spoof page on the web. I’m looking at the gym’s website. No mention of GZ. The spoof sight says they will train you like GZ after the trial.
I think you may be right. One of the bloggers in the trial has a link to the page that mentions GZ training, however if you go to their web page and then click on the company that developed the web page – it’s mentioned that the GYM’s web page is under under current development and shows a different page. Looks like someone did a screen show and entered the garbage about GZ training to stir the pot.
Should say screen shot
I’ve posted the 2 different links. They’re under moderation.
Anyone notice that John Guy sounds just like Kevin Costner?
Holy Smokes. The judge just found for defense in the sequestration issue. Its a miracle.
Here is the 10-20-Life Law in FL. The short version is, if the death is caused by a gun then the sentencing is bumped up a level (ie sentencing for 3rd degree murder uses 2nd degree sentencing guidelines, or as related to this case, Second degree is sentenced as a first degree.
Florida’s 10-20-Life law imposes enhanced penalties for crimes that involve a firearm.
The law has two primary enhancements:
1.Any felony in which a firearm is used is reclassified as follows:
1.In the case of a felony of the first degree, to a life felony;
2.In the case of a felony of the second degree, to a felony of the first degree; and
3.In the case of a felony of the third degree, to a felony of the second degree.
2.For “enumerated” felonies, a Mandatory-Minimum Prison Sentences must be served (day-for-day, no gain time) if the following apply:
1.Possession of Firearm during commission of the enumerated felony (10 year minimum prison sentence);
2.Discharge of Firearm during commission of the enumerated felony (20 year minimum prison sentence); and
3.Discharge of Firearm causes death or great bodily harm during commission of the enumerated felony (25 year minimum prison sentence and maximum sentence of life imprisonment).
The applicability of 10-20-Life enhancements are determined by a jury through special jury findings, which they return along with their primary verdict.
The special finding is that the defendant either:
1.Possessed a firearm in the commission of the felony;
2.Discharged a firearm in the commission of the felony; or
3.Caused death or great bodily harm with a firearm in the commission of the felony.
The sentencing is getting very confusing with this 10-20-Life Rule
Because a firearm was used, Manslaughter is reclassified to a First Degree Felony, which increases the maximum sentence up to 30 years in prison or 30 years of probation.
Manslaughter is not an enumerated felony under the 10-20-Life statute, a judge is not required to impose any mandatory-minimum sentence.
But wait, there’s more! Give me a minute to digest it and report back.
There are three charges going before a jury. 2nd degree and Manslaughter are described above. The third lessor is aggravated assault. This is a scary one. The jury does not know the possible sentences for any of these charges. Doesn’t aggravated assault seem like a good thing to choose as a sort of nullification/compromise between finding him not guilty and convicting him of 2nd degree? This charge does not require ill-will, hatred, spite or evil intent. So why not use this as a compromise verdict?
Well, if they do decide to go with “the least of the lessors” here are the sentencing guidelines for the judge.
If the jury finds that a firearm was used, Aggravated Battery is reclassified to a First Degree Felony, which increases the maximum sentence to 30 years in prison or 30 years of probation.
However, because Aggravated Battery is an enumerated felony, if the jury finds that a firearm was used to kill Trayvon Martin, the judge would be required to impose a 25 year minimum-mandatory prison sentence and could sentence him to life in prison if she so decided.
[Source: RIchard Hornsby Blog http://blog.richardhornsby.com/2013/07/george-zimmermans-10-20-life-problem/ ]
The bottom line is, while aggravated assault SEEMS like the lessor charge, of the three. MANSLAUGHTER is actually the only charge that allows the judge the sentence GZ to anything less than 25 years! And the jury will not be told this.
Thoughts?
Ripe for a bucketful of appeals by defense.
I do not care what anyone says – To me GZ was the aggressor because he followed TM. He should have stayed in his car and waited for the police. GZ had a gun and used it. I would fight someone following me on a dark rainy night. All of the cases are drag the victim through the mud. Just like the Jodie case blame the victim,
Are you saying that a resident of the community, who is also a volunteer member of neighborhood watch, doesn’t have the right to get out of his car and look to see what someone is doing when he is unsure of that person? Even if said resident is aware of crimes having been committed in his community? I wish many things had happened differently that rainy night but I don’t think GZ actions automatically make him the initial aggressor.
Sad thing is, now they are both dead men regardless of verdict.
TT, that is downright scary to think about. Can the jury ask the judge what the sentence is for each charge?
Headed to the hospital. My daughter was admitted this afternoon with pre-eclampsia. She is only 35 weeks and the doctor hoped she could hang on for one more week but the protein is growing rapidly in her urine. The doctor is going to induce labor in the morning. Think good thoughts for her and the baby and if your pray…well, we’d appreciate prayers, too.
Rose, you have mine.
Ditto, prayers for all involved.
Good Luck, Rose.
I started a new thread to try to clearly break down this weird sentencing thing and address Jinkasaurus’s comments about agg ass having a three year minimum on HLN tonight. She will likely be retracting that very soon. as it doesn’t apply to George
http://s17948.p858.sites.pressdns.com/2013/07/10/sidebar-sentencing-options-for-george-zimmerman-are-not-logical/
For the long drawn out explanation after looking at information and statutes at several sites.
MEGA PRAYERS, Rose…….God Bless!!
Thoughts and prayers go out to you and your daughter.
My prayers are with you, your daughter and the baby. Please keep us updated!
Rose, I have prayed for you all, and I believe in miracles. I pray we will hear good news from you tomorrow.
Rose, I wish you and your family well.
Karen, whatever you’re smoking – STOP! This case is nothing like the Arias case, and TT can scold me for this – but you’re slightly delusional. After hearing the young mother speak about her home being broken into with an infant to protect – if that were you – wouldn’t you be glad there were MEN in your neighborhood to protect you? Personally, I would and might even join them. Turn the scenario around – if you were someone patrolling your neighborhood and had a young man attack you and you had a gun – what would you do? I know what I would do, in a heartbeat. We don’t know what state TM was in, was he high, on spice, angry, pulling the big/bad teenager card? It happens all the time in the Ham, black on black crime and we loose too many good young men to thugs with an agenda, theft, gang initiation, etc., and they’re the ones with the guns. If you had to shoot and kill one of the bad guys to protect yourself – what would you do? What would you do in that quick instant – die or live?
Hi Karen,
I agree with you 100%. I haven’t read the recent comments, but I’m working my way through them. You and I may very well be the only ones who believe GZ is guilty as charged. Yes, Trayvon’s death could have been avoided if Captain Zimmerman had either stayed or returned to his vehicle. And yes, this case is like the Arias case in that the unarmed dead man is the “bad guy”, who can not tell what happened.
Stay true to your beliefs if you can.
Karen said “I do not care what anyone says…”. She has obviously not listened to testimony or heard the evidence in court, or she has and has disregarded it. In any case, her mind is made up, even now as defense rests. So unless angels descend from heaven with a divine revelation, it ain’t going to change, no matter how reasonable (or unreasonable) our responses are to her comment. Unfortunately, there are many more like her. I just hope none of them are on the jury.
“I do not care what anyone says” in regard to a trial……equates with such narrow-minded thinking. Kind of makes me think about things my child said when she was 3. You should care Karen, SLASH THAT: I WISH YOU DID CARE at least to point of understanding the importance of our legal system. GZ has rights. Before trial, i had not looked too much beyond Sharpton and hoopla about this and , if asked, would have said: “poor kid, he looks like he is 10 years old, how could any adult think he could do anything to hurt him………….and what kind of adult would shoot a kid so young/little…….”. (enter the pics in media). But now i understand so much more about what really happened, in particular, what was witnessed. I opened my mind to the posibility that there may be a lot more to this. And by so doing, have found there is so much more to this. I would like to think that any of us, under pre-judged duress like this, could find open minds and hearts to be ready, willing, and courageous enough to be able to objectively look at the big picture, with every stroke of detail being noted . This is not simply a “he said” and “he can’t say because he is dead” clear-cut case. This case has a multitude of witnesses. Not just the word of GZ. I pray that the jurors do not know the extreme risk they take should they go for not guilty……………nor the extreme risk of a guilty charge, either. The latter being a corrupt justice system and a social structure that has taken “generational apologies” to the extreme. HELL NO, TM did not deserve to die. Nor do any of our brave military. But just like one who enrolls in army takes a risk of death, TM DID make a choice to become the physical instigator. (as substantiated by EVIDENCE) We all have a right to defend ourselves………….that is not to be confused with calling the first punch (and we know this went WAY beyond just a punch) when you could have just ran/walked home (or, wow, even had a dialogue with the person you were “afraid of-but not so afraid of as to be able to initiate a physical altercation”) And initiating a fight is called self-defense? so…. You look at me funny, i have a right to punch you and our legal system would call that self-defense? Today, it would be assault by me. Who knows what it might be tomorrow. Thought police/PCpolice……….there is racism or bigotry in everything that is done against a person if we can equate them with a certain social or racial group? I know people who care for their neighbors and neighborhoods and try to look out for everyone there. At one time, in my 20’s, i thought of them as nosey neighbors. Now i think of them as guardian angels…………………i have a guy friend who i could so see trying to thwart crime in his neighborhood finding himself in same predicament. He is no macho-anything. He is a loving human being who cares about his friends and neighbors. We all agree about the tragedy here. I also belive GZ to be a very decent human being who made some judgement mistakes out of concern for his neighborhood, his home and friends. I believe self-defense. Wish TM were alive………..so much. OK, sure doesn’t matter what i am saying to anyone but me, but i have said it, i guess, like we all do, for “me”.
sorry for typos….palm on mouse pad is the bain of my existence (right after mosquitos and a certain little cavalier whose mission in life is to get into the trash)
Doc. I’m sure you don’t care, but, I don’t know if I agree or disagree with your comments. They are usually so long, and thereby hard to follow. I am interested and would like to read them. Can you do me a favor and break them up into paragraphs for an easier read.
Awww… look how polite we are being this morning!
FYI what is happening now I am updating here http://s17948.p858.sites.pressdns.com/2013/07/10/sidebar-sentencing-options-for-george-zimmerman-are-not-logical/
So far Tamara. Let’s wait for the response.
I admit I didn’t follow that post either. (sssssshhhhh)
i know you are right smitsa…………………i’m sorry
Thank you.
/and everyone held hands singing Kumbayah
/and everyone said amen and amen.
/happy dance
Enjoy your happy dance while you can………once the verdict is handed down, I doubt there will be singing in the streets!
I don’t care about the mean ole streets. I only hope that whatever happens here we are respectful to the other side with no gloating and I told you sos.
“Imagine all the people, Living life in peace”……/John Lennon
And yes, she is entitled to her opinion.
I know… But TT didn’t want to even cover this, but she did because we asked her too. Most of us have followed the rules, we are discussing the case and the events of the day, but there are some that seem to be NG wannabees and are stirring the pot. I’ve put up with hostile, snotty and opinionated jerks all day long and I snapped when they attacked TT. Sorry…
I read the comments here. Full of hate. Someone mentioned riots and the NAACP in the same paragraph. That organization is not about violence. It’s about equality. In my mothers life time she could not drink out of the same water fountain as white person. And she has not had her 70th birthday. So the NAACP has its place. It is not to encourage riots. What George Zimmerman did was coward. Racial profiling is easy. I would not want to walk a day in Trayvon shoes. He was a target bacause he was a black man that George did not recognize. Therefore he went in pursuit with a gun. Trayvon had done nothing wrong that night. Don’t understand. Blame the victim. No one in the black community has to riot or lift a finger. To feel the fear that Trayvon felt that night, no one should have to walk in his shoes. But many will because that is the only way they can have compassion. Karma will do its work. No one should riot. That is silly. This is not the place for me. Thanks
There is a question that has been begging to be asked here since TM died. If Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton are so concerned about young black men being killed why didn’t Al go to Jessie’s house and then begin a righteous quest to find out why anywhere from 12 to 25 young black men are killed EVERY weekend. During the July 4th weekend, 55 were killed in Chicago. The violence has grown so bad that even 2 and 3 year old children are killed in the crossfire.This is a tragedy, but I don’t see GZ doing 30 years for what happened that night. On top of all that, Freedom of Information records show that our tax money was spent to help form and support the rallies and marches that followed TM’s death. Would the government subsidize my community if I were murdered and encourage and pay for rallies here? We all know the answer to that.
Peachteachr, so many people are working on that problem. It’s very communicated. I’d love to discuss this with you, but, it’s a topic for another time. There is clearly no excuse for the killings, but, you may view things a little different with more information. Jessie and Al are just two in a million who are trying to fix the problem. And, both can be done at once (working for civil rights and re-trainign the young black men),
I don’t claim to understand; I couldn’t. I guess I believe that justice could, and would, have been done. I’ve always believed that Lady Justice was indeed blindfolded. Perhaps others have seen her from a different vantage point. I am not insensitive to the great loss in this sad media flame.
Smitsa, sometime, when down-time, i would love to hear and also…………..how to help!
No problem Doc. At a later date, I can give you my opinion of why it’s happening. I have a few thoughts on how some of it can be fixed.
I’m just one person, with an opinion.
*It’s complicated. Maybe, I need the AT&T kids to help me spell.
16 years and 21 days??? twisttwisttwist
If the roles were reversed it would be even easier, TM would be found not guilty.
Mr. Martin was born February 5, 1995. Died February 26, 2012. That made him 17 years old and 21 days. The US Army takes men that are 17 years old. Just so you know. He wasn’t a child. Fact is he also punched a bus driver. Wasn’t brought up in court, because the bias Judge wouldn’t let it in. More stuff will be coming up about this outstanding (Not( young man. Bet on it. BTW he also lived with his Uncle not his mother or father. The truth will come out. May God have mercy on TM’s soul.
Shirley, you are coming through as a first time commenter… if that is true I will be giving you way less slack,
PS to all. I have a sudden at home connection not expected to last..
Shirley, i hear you. In this case, though, the only behaviors of TM that were “on trial” were what he CHOSE to do the eve he died. Evidence supported GZ’s accounting of the time/events. Yes, God Bless his young soul.
ENOUGH ALREADY!
He’s already dead!!!
Smitsa, are you saying that no one is allowed to comment anymore?
Nope. Even if I had the power to control that, I wouldn’t do. All I’m asking is to let him rest. *( I said asking). Why keep degrading him. What is the purpose. He is dead, he can no longer fight, get high, write graffiti on the walls, steal or anything else. I believe in respecting the dead.
The reason this won’t stop is because his parents (and the media) will not stop pushing their story that he was a sweet innocent child who had never been in any trouble in his life. That angers people who are learning the truth, that he was most likely the aggressor and the parents (and media) have run a 16 month smear campaign on an innocent man to push forward their own agenda.
Hmm… so why not direct the degradation towards the parents. Trayvon is dead. You can’t hurt him anymore. You can call him names, talk about his character, etc. He won’t know. Send his parents a tweet, or a message on facebook, call CNN or something. Tell them you feel what they are doing is wrong. Leave Traynon alone, he is dead……
Smitsa, why do you find it necessary to monitor all the comments made by other members and then make “corrections” by each comment as you see fit? That is one reason why I think you and Sasha are one and the same person.
Oh and Sandra, isn’t that what the reply button if for (commenting on another person’s comment). Or do you want me just to comment on your original post. Or maybe not comment at all?
I don’t think I’ve done anything to Trayvon. I have no idea what you’re talking about.
Hi Sandra. Tell me why all of my comments are viewed as different than others. They are opinions and suggestions. Nothing more, nothing less. They can either be read, ignored, edited or deleted.
And if you feel better thinking I’m Sasha, I’ll be Sasha. Many people display the same tone on this sight, but, are not grouped or questioned for it. But, since you mentioned it, I believe you are posing as two other people… and you know who they are. When i first noticed it, the three of you… lol.. would post comments, sequentially. Now, not so much.
And finally Sandra, I expect you to comment on “all” of my comments, as that has been the trend. I have no problem with it. There are usually 3 or four others who usually come out of the woodwork as well. I’m not bothered by that either.
The bottom line – If you style irritates you… please don’t read my comments.
Smitsa, I have not commented on everything you’ve said. I am NOT three others, as you have alleged.
But since you ask, I have commented on some your opinions because you state them as fact, which they are not. When someone (not just me) calls you out on them, you quickly back pedal and hide behind saying that it’s “just” your opinion, like it or lump it. Opinions I can take, but presenting them as fact is quite another.
Then you give instructions to all those who read your opinions and on how they should conduct themselves and what they say on this blog.
Not a good beach day today?
Maybe it’s time to find a new mission in life.
(oh oh, here comes the blast…)
*If my style irritates you… please don’t read….
groan, more instructions… just can’t seem to get it right. Oh wait a minute, isn’t that what the “reply” button is for (as per your other instructions)?
BTW, also by your own instructions, you too, are free not to read anything I say as well.
for the record, smitsa and sasha share the same IP.
No Sandra. No blast. And, yes, generally everyday is a great beach day. I, unlike some, don’t spend all of my waking hours online even if I’m not out on the water. And, yes, I do give plenty of instructions, opinions, etc….. because I can. And, you, like everyone else can taken them or leave them. It’s when I get called deranged, retard, stupid, ignorant and other names, do I start blasting. I’m not for name calling, unless of course, someone comes at me that way.
Have a great evening…. because I will.
Smitsa, When have I EVER called you any names?? NEVER. You can’t say stuff, and then hide behind them by calling them just your “opinions”.
Hi Sandra,
I don’t recall saying you called me names. Correct me if I did.
And yes, everything I say here, is my opinion. Unless they are obvious facts.
Opinion defined: a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter.
What more can it be.
Damn Tamara, you didn’t have to tell. I know you share with Sandra and Candice, so there. Aren’t you violating the internet privacy act.
lol if it makes you feel better,missy and her supportive friend are the same person too.
But I am not Candace, or TT, or anyone else, for that matter…
This one
for the record, smitsa and sasha share the same IP.
smitsa and sasha are more than welcome here. There were people on the other side doing the same thing. Missy and her neighbor for example. It would be nice if you could all try to interweave your multiple personalities. 🙂
Tamara, you might want to edit your comment.
what comment? sorry I am sort of out of the loop
And here come the instructions and corrections…
…from smitsa/smitsap/sasha
I didn’t mean to imply that missy and “her neighbor” were you as well, I was saying she brought in a fake friend to argue with you so it happens on both sides
You’re all fucking retarded.
That makes two of us.
Five if you count all the accounts you create to agree with yourself. Fucking retarded.
Yeah, but, I’d rather be retarded than miserable and angry like you and your alter ego.
Well, the cat’s out of the bag. Me and my imaginary friend are busted. What the hell.
Where is your posse TeeCee. Let the fun begin.
By the way TeeCee, how do you know how many accounts I have? Did you you see this statement while you were checking out my accounts.
[ Security safeguards have been implemented which are designed to protect your information in accordance with industry standards.]
Be careful.
**** crickets ****
No one likes to be baited.
Wonderful! That’s what i wanted to hear.
Can we just all agree to move on from this post? i keep seeing the comments and reading them too without commenting. Now I feel like an old fool b/c evidently some of you are 2, 3, or 4 different people. I knew that I was not as internet savvy as most of you, but I was disheartened to find that out. I never wanted to do this story and now I’ve watched people who banter back and forth on other subjects, act like they can’t even stand each other. You will all find that as you age, you desire harmony more than in your younger days. I guess i understand the passion but hate the discord.
I’m only one person. Don’t want to be agreed with. But really implying some nefarious means of identifying someone who has two accounts, bothe with the same number of letters, beginning and ending in common letters and posting exactly the same crap? How dumb do you think people are. Honestly, I never stop to read the name carefully, and have assumed there was only one person for awhile. Not that I’d ever given it much thought. It’s really actually rather small time in the grand scheme.
TeeCee666, you have no clue what you’re talking about. Don’t believe everything you read. I thought yawl were smarter than that. Just because multiple people use the same computer (with the same IP address), doesn’t mean they are the same person. But, it is quite funny.
I don’t personally know Sasha, but, she seems pretty cool. She doesn’t go for the OKIE-DOKE. Have you guys ever heard of a public computer? Many of you have the same writing style, which is why I feel some of you have more than one account. I’m not complaining about it, I don’t really care. Remember, this is just entertainment.
So, where do we go from here… maybe take Peach’s advice – and move on.
nope same person.
Then why don’t you?