There is literally never a dull moment in this trial. This morning, word is leaking out that after the guilty verdict, both Nurmi and Willmott asked to withdraw from the case. I can’t imagine them thinking the judge would release them at this point in the process. Clearly, these two have been exasperated with Jodi for weeks. The fact that she scheduled the interview without consulting with either of them, I assume was the final straw. Both attorneys are constantly bashed in both social and mainstream media. This case has been going on forever and they have to come in everyday and fight for a client that is working against them and doesn’t appreciate their help. I imagine that at this point they just want it all to end. I’ve heard that the defense team often arrives together. I imagine they have become close as they are the only ones who can talk to each other about what a lunatic Jodi is. I hope they both take a well deserved vacation after this.
Today, the defense has to forge ahead and attempt to save the life of their suicidal client. Jodi says she has no mitigating factors but I assume that her attorneys will call her mother to testify. I am not sure that her mother will be a very good witness. We shall see. Perhaps they will call her stupid sister. I don’t expect the defense to drag things out too long, I think they have all but given up. I also expect Jodi to take the stand.
Juan is expected to call two family members, though which two is unclear. I expect it to be Samantha and Stephen. Some say it will be Samantha and Tenisha but I don’t think Tenisha could get through it. It is expected to be a few days of very emotional testimony from both sides.
All the action starts today at 1:30 pm Eastern and we will be recapping and apparently arguing amongst ourselves in the comments. Join in!
@BethKaras 2hJudge Stephens denied the defense’s motion to have victim impact statements videotaped. We expect two of them, live, later today. #jodiarias
kh
“Word on the streets”
Both attorneys just signed on a new client, and clients are hard to come by these days, What do expect an attorney supposed to do?
Ambulance chasers?
Alrighty then! Let’s get this thing started. I did hear Beth Karas, my favorite, say that JM can question these witnesses. Maybe that’s why so few are able to offer reasons for mitigation. I did read that Darrell who loaned the gas cans and has already testified in the case is going to take the stand for her. I also heard on Nancy Grace last night that as soon as the jury left the courtroom, JA was up and actively discussing her case with her lawyers. I bet they just really enjoyed that.
Heard on HLN that Tenisha wants to testify. She says she wants the death penalty for Jodi and will come to watch when she gets the needle.
But she can’t tell the jury that she wants death. She will be able to say how poor Travis’ death has affected his family and testify to his good character. JA is a devil.
By “she” I mean Tanisha can’t tell jury she wants death for Jodi. I don’t care what jodi has to say.
why is it the victims family must follow an approved script but defendents dont? Jane glad you didnt leave i just treat the def team like the guys who clean my septic tank..they have a crappy job, someone has to do it, i just dont want to shake his hand!!! The jodi has failed in every part of this from the gun theft til today NOTHING is really played out in the way she wanted. Poor jodi she killed him but by doing so gave Travis to the WORLD millions now feel they know him and seeemory will be around alot longer than her what a good guy he was. His
Holy sh!t, Steve – your analogy about the septic tank is right on!
Totally agree Steve but I still think the defense let her steer things into a ditch and seriously assasinate Travis’ character instead of coming clean with how/why things happened. I agree as well with how the world now knows what a wonderful human being Travis was, yes flawed but who isn’t…she “thinks” she revealed the hypocracy of his life (& that it was her lawyers who suggested this, again…”not my fault”) but in the end, the opposite happened. She is a venomous person, every person she touches or is involved with suffers somehow even before all this.
Juan update: Heard that Juan is not married but is also not single. The word is that his lady love has been there in court but can’t be seen on camera! Curiouser and curiouser. . . I hope he will do an interview later on Nancy.
Mr. JM is definitely a Hero, a true friend to Justice and the family of Mr. Alexander, and very Honorable man.
Now he is a Casanova.
Good for him
Aloha – are you sure about Juan ? I read he has been in a 5 year relationship, both without children. I think I saw a wedding ring – but maybe I’m wrong. Maybe someone could check. I bet he’s very private.
I KNEW IT …. just told my husband – this will GO AGAIN next week ! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !
post was suposed to say… His memory will be around alot longer than she will be. Dont know what my thumbs do sometimes
The beginning of your post echoes my sentiments in the other thread. As for mitigating factors I think Jodi meant that she has none such as I was drunk or I am mentally impaired (wishing for Border personality instead of the PTSD nonsense, now aren’t we?) etc etc.
All she can say is my mommy loves me, please don’t kill me. That may be why they would possibly think about trotting out LaViolette and battered woman syndrome again. Though at this point, her lawyers may just be like whatever.
Look, I don’t want to read a bunch of squabbling on the subject of the defense team today, this is a new thread, and a new day. I’ve had it with the “I’m leaving” hissyfits both on the board and behind the scenes. As well as the please don’t go crap. It’s juvenile. Either stay and post about the trial and leave. If you choose the latter, we don’t need any fanfare.
last night the hln pundits were saying jodi has to walk a fine line today. IF she is to preserve appeals she cant show remorse. she wouldnt anyway it will be a lie if she does. Lets just see how much B.S. Gets spread in court today.
Media was just asked to leave the courtroom for a closed hearing. Don’t know why. Not sure if I said it in the post but the motion to have the VIS by video only was denied. Motion to withdraw as defense team was denied. I can’t think of a single thing they could be doing unless the defense is asking for a mental competency check, but she should have gotten that while in psych and would not have been sent back to jail if she was found incompetent to stand trial.
Who the hell knows with this case?
She was just in psych ward. I would think she was evaluated then for competency. kh
I wish I had thought of that.
a couple weeks ago my mom had me watch my 94 year old grandma(a really cool old lady) and i was watching the trial. It was one of the days deviant sex was main topic. I asked grandma what deviant sex was and she said…Thats the kind of sex OTHER people have!! I about drowned in my coffee.
Aww, that’s awesomely funny, Steve! She sounds like a ton of fun. Glad you’re enjoying her!
Oddly, I think the only possible “mitigating circumstance” may have been offered by Dr. DeMarte — borderline diagnosis. JA’s ingrained behavior is so screwed up she was incapable of considering any repercussions for such action and therefore did not stop herself at any point. It’s not uncommon for a person who is dumped or called only for booty calls to harbor intense anger and resentment. Usually, such folks just fantasize about the other’s demise and let it go, getting on with life.
That said, even if they try that on, I highly doubt it will work. I feel in my gut that JA will be handed the DP.
There re a lot of people in the world w/BPD that don’t hatchet up their boyfriends, and jodi, seriously, jodi is a grown ass woman. She could’ve gotten help. But that would have required that she be honest even to herself and it wudda been too much trouble.
Jodi reminds me of the girl in high school who would give the whole football team blow jobs when all she really wanted was a hug.
Pathetic? Yes. Mitigating factor? No.
kh
Yes, you made my point. I don’t know under which of the proposed mitigating factors it would fall in, but again, if the defense team has to stretch, they could say that Jodi is abnormal because her brain is screwed up and she did it. This isn’t MY view, it’s what I’m potentially anticipating what the defense may do.
In my view, whether or not she really does have borderline, she still went ahead and did it, not giving a shit. And lying to cover it up. And acting like a narcissistic twunt the entire damn time!!
I can’t see the defense using Dr. D’s borderline diagnosis as a mitigating circumstance when they brought in another Dr. to dispute it. But, at this point they may hurl anything against the wall. WTF, why not.
could the closed door meeting be the overview of what the Alexander family want to say? Get the courts approval of the statements?
Late.
surprised? 🙂
HA!
I just realized either I have the sister’s names backwards or HLN does. I thought that Samantha was the cop and the one with the long skinny face. And Tenisha is the more emotional of the two with the dark hair and the cute side bun. I noticed today there are actually three sisters? Another who looks like the dark haired sister but has highlights? How am I so confused this late into the trial.
All should be revealed by the end of the day….. There is one guy who i don’t think is a brother, that I have never identified. He had on kind of a gold/brown jacket on verdict day….and he shows up with the family now and then…. We need name tags.
Tamera you have the two sisters reversed. Tanisha is the sister with the thinner face. Sam is indeed the Police officer with Black hair who has been the emotive person in court. Sam’s statement will be heartbreaking. Break out the Kleenex.
I guess I just thought the thinner faced sister looked more like a cop. Sam doesn’t look like a cop especially as emotional as she is. I guess that is what happens when you judge based on little info. I just can’t see her holding a robber at gunpoint.
Yep. You’re confused. 🙂 Samantha has the side bun. Tenisha has the thin face.
Media being allowed into courtroom. Looks like everyone is there. No grandma for Jodi.
Sounds like Defense wants to use DeMarte’s testimony about BPD.
What happens is there is a split decision on this? Do they start over with another jury? Also, did I just hear the judge right that they need to take her good personality traits into account; i.e. she’s a good artist… Really?
lol @ some of Jodi’s mitigating factors. Umm, I can draw and I’m young so…
I don’t think that her mother will testify since one of the factors is defendant did not have support of her family… They threw in the “abuse” so it’s looking more likely for Alyce
That was fast….I didn’t hear the reason for Juan’s objection.
Oh Lord….now Nurmi is taking the jury to law school.
“Improper argument.” Probably believed that Nurmi was going to argue that jury should have sympathy toward Jodi (“you, jury, are deciding whether to kill her or whether to let her live”). Maybe it was just a payback for all the times Nurmi objected during Juan’s opening and closing arguments. The way Nurmi restarted after the objection let all of us know that the objection got to him.
Well now. Jodi has her hair all pulled back to allow the jury and all of us to see her sadness and tears. Wilma will have to stay near her to keep snapping a rubber band on her to get those crocodile tears flowing.
That’s the first thing I noticed too MaRiley! She is trying so hard to look like an innocent little girl with that hair do. The Jury hasn’t fallen for her little schemes so far, so I am hoping they continue to see right through her.
I also notice that she has her little puppy dog, pity me please look on.
isnt using the BPD like saying since my brains messed up poor impulse control and obvious violent tedencies let me live but if was totally normal then give death? thats messed up logic. Her messed up thinking allowed her to murder in a horrific way and attempt to bs her way out.
Jodi definitely looks whacked (ummmm, or medicated).
She sure is. She’s got the lazy eye going, too.
I was going to say that. She looks out of it and not in a gone to my happy place kinda way
She maybe on some meds but if she really wanted death she would be smiling or tossing her hair,giving that shiteating smirk shes had all trail long.She is doing her best to look pitiful and homely.To her a life sentence wouldbe sticking it to Juan.I hope the jury isn’t buying her “poor me”act.I wonder if she will look at victims family during their statements or will she turn her head and totally ignore them?
Speaking of homely; can you actually still buy glasses like that. Or do you have to go to a 1970’s used clothing store. Has anyone looked at her facebook page? Ridiculous.
Jennifer is rolling her eyes already – poor girl – this will be her second client Death Row
OMG, we are going to get an infomercial on her artwork! As someone who works in marketing, let me just say wow. Also I think the “beep, beep, beep” is the bus backing over her mom.
Nurmi’s opening was …as if… he was trying to say just fry her. He says “you agreed to consider life” so um…before you give her the death penalty, why not just consider life and then fry her anyway.
Yes that is so true. I think we could have stuck a fork in Nurmi a while ago, he is done! Ineffective Assistance of Counsel on aisle 2.
I was watching Darin Kavinocki and (your) Natalie Merchant on HLN and I thought what if Jodi had that caliber of defense – what a different picture this would be.
So this will be another walk down memory lane for Jodi and her past just prior to obsessing, later stalking and ultimately murdering Travis? And I suppose Travis is to blame. Ugh. And Nurmi pointed to Jodi and said “this is the girl”…girl? She is a 32 yr old monster. Give me a break.
Those fuckin BANGS- She should get the DP for those alone.
Bwaahaahaaa….”Nothing like a little judicious levity.”
I think she moisturized her hair by rubbing it with the bologna from yesterday’s sandwich. It’s a common prison beauty secret! Lol, I just made that up but It’s possible!
In her new home, she is only allowed a shower, like 2 times a week. I assume yesterday and today were not one of those two days. Thus the hair. I’ve never seen the hideousness of the bangs that y’all talk about until today. Today was definitely a day to sweep them back.
LOL! @Dane Bramage! 🙂
DITTO……DITTO……DITTO. Dane, you always make me LOL.
Jodi snaps out of her “zoned out” look long enough to throw a “hate” stare (oooh, there’s that word again!) at the prosecutor. No matter how drugged she is, her face shows glimmers of how much she hates that man. I just gotta ask: if she wants death so much, why does she just instruct her attorneys to stand down on mitigation? Maybe she’s got some hellbent speech planned for when she testifies. Or, alternatively, she’s gonna beg the jury to give her life.
she so hates Juan but then again with lines like “she’s 27 she’s lived long enough. It’s not like she’s 18”. LOL
Agreed. I want to see her unmedicated for this today. She’s simmering the Bat Chit Crazy hate. She should have to listen and do her “testimony” straight on. I wonder if they’ll have her swear to tell the truth? That should bring down the house.
MaRiley: BRAVO! lololol :):)
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THATS jodis jury face!!! as soon as jury leaves she will change. The def team saw Dr Drew and juror #8 too hence no pencils today. and why we get her life story later cuz #8 said believed a little early in testimony she just went too far. Lets hope Alyce comes back i would LOVE to see her in Juanderland again
Nurmi just said, we’ll hear from JA later! Wondering if jury will get a 2nd chance to ask her questions.
Also, anyone else notice a little symbolism in fashion in court today…Def attys are wearing Travis-blue. I think after being denied chance to jump ship, they want to show they actually support Travis’s family, Also could the mitigation specialist wear a larger cross today?
Jodi looks like she has been shot up with Thorazine. I used to work in an adolescent treatment facility and it’s a pretty obvious sort of look. If she is going to testify today she will be really slow… and emotionless is they shot her up. This was YEARS ago and they probably have something besides Thorazine these days. But she has the zombie look…
I have been typing this response for awhile switching back and forth to the feed. We are on the five minute break and Jodi just got up and went somewhere like no one was watching her. Scary!
Yup…she picked up her papers and took a little stroll
How can they drug her and not be sure she won’t mumble or talk crazy shit? Also,couldn’t that be a reason for appeal on the sentencing?She could claim she wasn’t of sound mind to participate in her mitigation.Just asking?Could they really take the chance or would it even be legal?
I saw Jodi get up and walk off too. Did you see her take that folder with her? The camera cut off when she did it, but I was wondering where she was going with that folder. The attorneys were all up at the Judge’s desk.
I saw the same thing, I was yelling out loud “She is escaping”
What was that all about?
If she had shackles on , she would be safer, others are dying to hit the button or whip her ass. Amen
Hello everyone, don’t know how accurate this is but just saw on the Lifetime channel next Wednesday night at 10pm EST there will be an interview with or about Jodi called ” Behind the Headlines.” Didn’t the judge stop all interviews with Jody? Anyone have any information on this? I don’t I think I imagined it, oh lord I hope I’ve not finally lost my mind during this trial
Maybe it was done prior to the judges order.
The Lifetime movie will air June 22 @ 8 PM. “Jodi Arias: Dirty Little Secret.” (I do not like the title. Suggesting Travis!) The movie will be followed by an hour long *documentary about Jodi & Travis’ relationship: “Jodi Arias: Beyond the Headlines.” Supposedly told by Arias & Travis’ sister, brother & friends. I don’t know if interviews or clips taken from prior media. I hope the documentary &/or movie does not leave it up to the viewer as to who is guilty!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh God. VIS time. I am not sure I can make it through this, and I am really not overly invested in this. I don’t see how the family does it.
I wasn’t prepared for the emotional impact either. Sheesh
Hellz! Did anyone else see her grab a wad of kleenex so she’s prepared to mop up the crocodile tears?
Oh, my goodness. How could this happen? A new neighbor is moving in next door and I said if you need anything just let me know. She came right as the trial started up. I read all that y’all wrote. Stephen Alexander is up.
her story should be interesting in a how far will she go kinda way. I wonder how long between victim impact statements and jodi bs will be. How much time to tailor story to counter Alexander family statements.
Exactly!
And how long will she sit there pulling that fake face behind Steven’s back as he talks to the jury. . . It’s like she can’t stand that HE’S the focus of the jury’s attention and not her. This is one deeply sick jealous B!
Oh gracious, Not only am I crying for Steven, but the pics along with the love expressed by his brother…
Steven got stronger during his presentation to the jury. I’d like to think Travis stood by Steven, whispering in his ear – speak for me. He was ripped from this earth…. bless them all.
Me, too, c0astalkitty. Let’s pray that Travis stands by JA’s witnesses and whispers in their ears as well. Love the way you think.
Oh my….Juan is so overcome, he forgot to put up the exhibit photo.
Oh dayum am at airport and can not get a live feed is Juan really overcome? He is a gentleman and a great advocate. Knowledge please!
He was back on it in a moment…..helping with the exhibits letting the siblings speak….
OMG….big smiling photo of Travis….at end of Samantha’s sta
It’s clear that Juan cares about the victims and their families. . . Steven’s words are really getting to me. He says he no longer wants to look at his brother’s murderer.
He says that on Travis’s last index card he wrote “Call Steven” but he never got that call. . . He wants to know what Travis’s last words were and how much he had to suffer before he died. . . Jodi sits there pulling faces behind Stevens back as he talks. She is trying to upstage Steven and distract the jury so they will look at her and not at the grieving brother. . . She is totally despicable.
Travis is a GREAT BROTHER, never thought of him as a Boy Scout, but truly a good man. The pain is felt for Travis, his family and friends, the good of this man must continue as he was blessed and loved by many.
Look like a Duck, Walk like a Duck, Sound like a Duck, it must be a Duck. (JA being the duck)
Vegas odds are this Duck will be cooked, a “No Shot”
For those who will be speaking in the behalf of JA, just turn around and go home, please do not lower yourself, just say NO, and go home.
I know! Jodi so tried to take center stage! Faced the jury with her face doing contortions ^ A very sad & solemn time in court, Steven. But Jodi! Enraging, pathetic, Froot Loops, a laughing stock.
Hln just said that Jane Alez Mitchell is at estrella jail and has access to jodis cell
Could they please give her what Jodi is on so she won’t scream at us later.
Yes. Jane has one volume….and that is sky high. She wasn’t always that loud. When she joined HLN or whatever show Nancy Grace was on when she started, she had a softer tone. Now, Nancy has toned down and Jane is out of control. She brings the info we want, but, make sure your remote has fresh batteries. You’ll always have to turn down the volume.
I too have been taken aback by Jane V. Mitchell’s almost screeching. It is “sensational” & tacky. And I respect her very much. She brings up very controversial issues & hot topics on her show. I am an animal advocate & she does tell-it-like-it-is ~ For the Animals <3
I can’t believe JA had the nerves to cry or fake a cry while Travis’ siblings were speaking. She didn’t shed a tear when her verdicts were read. Does she think she’s a friend or a part of the family. I’m sure Samantha exhibited great restraint not to put her in a choke hold when she walked by.
Leaving for lunch….back at 2 p.m. Arizona time…..as Jodi stands for the jury, watch her, she pretends to wipe away tears and drags her thumb across her throat in the “you’re dead” motion again…..
The body language experts say when she does that slashing motion at her throat it is b/c she is very fearful for herself.
Interesting….
I saw that slashing motion too. I can’t believe she did it again.
She is pinching her nose real hard with the kleenex again in an attempt to make it red to look like she was crying.
That was a horror to see. Wonder if the jury saw her do a saw across her throat? I am surprised HLN didn’t comment on it.
When Samantha speaks, it’s heart breaking. . . She really brings Travis’s goodness back to life.
What was really going on in Jodi’s head during the statements from Travis’ family:
“Gosh, if I had just killed myself, there would be people up there talking like this about me:
About my smile {flash mental image of that photo of me when I was blond};
About my artwork {skip to short mental debate over which ones they would pick to show — no, no, not that diamond-shaped one!};
About my dog Napol— {shoot, that was Travis’ dog and mine’s dead but nobody knows that — gosh, Jodi, you should have adopted a little puppy, named it “napster” and *then* killed yourself};
About my career {okay, serving plates of food probably won’t cut it so I’ll go with — yeah, that’s it! — serving God, I’m a woman of God!};
And they’ll all be crying, and showing pictures of me, and….
[Shakes head] where am I? How did I get here? This is not my home — OMG! What’s this thing around my waist? Why am I facing a jury?? Who’s this woman from the 80s sitting next to me? Who’s the big guy to my left? And, mmmmm, who’s the hot little Latino guy at the other table???”
You got inside her head so well…..that was scary as shit and funny as hell.
Your too funny, you made me laugh, thank you for this.
It is heavy my brother seeing what JA’s evil did to so many.
May their be some good come from this.
Hopefully some body will start a memorial for Travis Alexander.
What a waste this JA did in her life and the misery she has caused to others.
I hate to say I have had night mares trying to defend Travis from
JA-woke up screaming, I need to focus on some good things people do.
I guess I have been with some sic Jodi’s in the past, not a good thing
You hit the psycho on the head!
Whoopsie, posted in the wrong spot… the psycho comment was for puravidacostarica and the wonderful trip into Jodi’s brain!
Thanks, but it was one damn scary ride! Humor kept the tears at bay (at least for awhile).
Excellent!
I guess after all these months of trial, we get to see Travis Victor Alexander. I would be so proud if they were my brother or sister. Don’t you just know that JA is so jealous of Sam. She has a beautiful hair style, jewelry, beauty, and a good reputation. When JA realized those things would not be hers, she butchered him. No matter what her final sentence is, she’ll only have other crazies like herself to hang with. May she NEVER stand in a moonlit night again, or feel a spring breeze, or take a really long hot shower… not that she could wash off the stench anyway.
My heart goes out to Travis’ family. I know there is no way in hell I would have the courage or ability to do what Samantha and Stephen have done, hell I can’t even speak two words at a funeral. I think this will be huge with the jury in going along with their belief that every word that Jodi speaks is calculated and a lie. I am not sure if she is medicated, I think she is a chameleon who can go inside herself and make her total persona match what character she is playing in her head. She has absolutely no remorse for what she did and would do it again in a heartbeat if she decided the circumstances warranted it.
She doesn’t realize it but she has a secret death wish because of her arrogance and insistence on wanting this case to be tried her way. I feel for the defense team as I would imagine they hate her…well it is crystal clear Nurmi does, Wilmott I can never really figure out. I don’t think they have done a bad job, they damn sure didn’t have a lot to work with. How do you mount a proper defense against a bat shit devious egotistical pathological monster who wants to do it all her way? You can’t and you don’t, hope they got paid well because I would imagine this has to hurt their practice.
I can’t wait to see what character Jodi the monster plans to whip out when it is her turn to speak. I don’t think she is capable of acting out the remorse card and not sure the jury would buy it. I envision her talking about what a wonderful person she is, how hard life has been, how terrified she was for her life that she had to fight in a fog to save herself, blah blah blah. Wouldn’t it be funny if someone on the jury just burst out laughing when she tries to tell her latest made up justification for being a monster.
I am still very conflicted about the death penalty for a ton of reasons but my guess is Jodi is going to fry and frankly despite my conflicts, I don’t feel any sadness about that possibility at all.
BTW we see Jodi’s red nose, wonder how she does that because I have yet to see tears from her eyes or snot dripping so we know there are NO tears.
We talked about red nose yesterday and decided that she pinches the cartilage in the tip of her nose really hard every time she is pretending to blow and wipe her nose.i tried pinching mine and I teared up and it hurt bad.That is how she is faking emotions.
She even “lies” about her tears…..
Oh, and I wondered with all her crying throughout the trial, she always does the same maneuvers. Drove me crazy. Turning away, bending her head, hair covering all, body moving slightly, over & over as she wipes her nose. Ha! I bet it hurt to pinch her nose cartilage real hard to bring on the red nose & tears. So she hid as she winced.
Wow! You all are terrific! Thank you for the how-to of the red nose. I was also wondering about this. I felt Arias must be crying. But now I know differently. Thank you, sleuths 🙂 But this Jodi gets more devious…chilling. I thought I had seen the max.
BRAVO to Samantha and Stephen! They’ve been class acts from the start of this trial all the way through their moving statements. I wish they would have been allowed to face JA and tell her exactly what they think of her. Alas, JA would have just rolled her eyes, shaken her head no, and mouthed the words “whatever”.
do you think Fred and Wilma were unmoved by the statements? It was hard to tell.
Who the hell are Fred and Wilma?
Nurmi & Willmot
Jean Kasaris just said that when Samantha was done with her impact statement and she was walking back to her seat, she looked over at Jodi and shot daggers looks at her and she did the same thing to Jodi’s family.
Glad Samantha was able to get that in.
She absolutely did stare at JA. I did not see the family stare down. Bravo!
Dave Cullen’s 2009 book “Columbine” describes the work of Dr. Kent Kiehl regarding the way a psychopath’s (Eric Harris) brain malfunctions..Kiehl wired subjects brains up and showed them flash cards with emotional words : rape, murder,
cancer, and neutral words such as rock or doorknob. With the emotional words, the emotional nerve center (amygdala) of normal people’s brains lit up. The amygdalae of psychopaths were dark indicating no reaction, or response to stimulus.Cullen quotes Dr. Robert Hare an authority on psychopaths : ” For psychopaths horror is purely intellectual. Their brains search for words to describe what the rest of us would feel…psychopaths react to pain or tragedy by assessing how they can use the situation to manipulate others.” I understand from the work of these scientists, as quoted by Cullen,that putting a psychopath with a psychologist or psychiatrist for treatment is useless. They are smart and learn how to mimic normalacy from these professionals. Since psychopaths are self interested, the only way to change them is to prove to them that fitting in to social norms is to their advantage.Behaviour that gets them into trouble with society e.g. murder and lying is not to their advantage. I’m
guessing that psychopaths are usually resistant to any testing. Jodi’s Mother was told by others that there was something the matter with her daughter and that she should get her help. Her parents knew from an early age that Jodi was “strange”,
among other behaviours, she lied consistently. Jodi probably would have fought off
any testing attempts : she left home as fast as she could. Columbine happened in
the United States, a country justly proud of its scientific prowess. American
scientists are still hard at work trying to learn about the workings of the brain. Why are there psychopaths ? Here we are with Jodi Arius, years after Columbine..
Deju vu ? Americans, considered a civilized and compassionate nation, do not put brain damaged babies to death at birth. Why the awful lack of compassion for Jodi
Arius who is quite possibly a brain damaged psychopath ? In past times she probably would have been described as demonically possessed. Maybe this is true, But now we also have science, ever evolving, that could additionally describe her predicament. If the State of Arizona puts her to death, what scientific knowledge from studying her, will be lost, which could prevent future Jodi Ariuses as well a another Eric Harris ?
Not to sound like a psychopath, but perhaps they could dissect her brain after death (or before, no diff!). 🙂 Sarcasm intended, btw. Very informative posts, but I doubt Jodi is the type that would want to be “studied” in the interest of humanity.
I believe Albert Einstein’s brain was studied after his death. We all know that JA thinks she is as smart as Einstein, so why not? That being said, my preference would be to dissect before death!
OMG shudders. I just saw only a bit of the film, “Hannibal.” He (Anthony Hopkins) had the top of a man’s skull off, while still alive, & was preparing to dine. Had to change channels. Arias trial enough horror for the day remembering her Bobby lover was a vampire “enthusiast.”
I’m with you purvidacostarica. Ditto, Bobbi.
yes, she’s a regular Herman Einstein
Really? You don’t think a narcissist would want that post-brain-studying attention? I think you are wrong. She’d fucking love it. She’d think she’s like Einstein.
To want it, it first requires her to know that they think something is wrong with her. Now, if they told her they were doing a documentary that would be shown in movie theatres or the scientist pretended s/he were an author who was planning on publishing a book, I would agree with you. But a scientific study on how her brain works? Naaah.
I read “Columbine” and found it fascinating. I understand your point but disagree, I don’t think we can gather any information from Jodi.I’ve wanted the death penalty for Jodi so she could spend atleast the next 12-20 years in solitary appealing this endlessly as opposed to open population a life with out parole would offer.
That is exactly what I feel. I don’t care if she dies and will prob be dead by then myself. I don’t care how many Dr. Samuels or ALV’s she hoodwinks in the future. But, I do believe there are some truly mentally ill women in gen pop and I don’t want her to be able to live freely among others and harm them.
Ditto, Pur. I’m all for “Life on Death Row for Life (Without Parole).” It’s the General Population aspect of a lesser sentence that gets my goat. I figure that’s same ol’, same ol’ for her & a lifestyle she’s already got wrapped around her finger. She’ll continue to torment.
Peach! I meant Peach! 🙂
i don’t know much about the American justice/prison activity of appeal.. Thanks for telling me about how long it can go on. I didn’t know that. I agree that where ever
psychopaths are, trouble follows. She would cause disruption in the general population of inmates. Also I agree that Jodi would fight being studied. She would have to be in isolation and for once given no choice in the matter.How do we stop the anguish that psychopaths cause though, if we know little about how their brains function ? Do people really want solutions do you think, or do most want to continue to bewail the awful things that happen in North American society ? The more drama the better ? The people who celebrated the verdict outside the Phoenix courtroom : will most of them stop telling lies ? Will all of us stop telling lies ? Has Martinez ever told a lie ? I know Jodi really took things to the extreme with a brutal murder (3 ways) . I also know that all of us have lied on occasion,We might even have fantasized murder, but we none of us, have carried through on the thought. Why ?
One of the scariest things Dr. D said during her testimony was that this is hard to diagnose until late teenage years. Right before the psychopath flies the watchful eye of their family. It would be so easy to attribute to a host of causes @ that age. Dr. D seemed most antimated when she spoke of JA’s immaturity.
Me, Thanks for that info – I think it’s all fasinating. The hardest part to realize or understand these people is why “they” don’t react like the rest of us. I understand the application of science but you know the ‘great debate’ is over “Nature vs. Nuture” I think it’s both.
Yes you are probably right : nature and nurture. But it’s not just understanding “them”, or understanding evil but it’s about civilized behabiour on our part. The reaction of the Phoenix crowd
reminded me of public hangings in England long ago and putting criminals in the stocks so that the common people could jeer at them. Arn’t we supposed to be moving on from that kind of behaviour ? In many ways some of the comments I’ve read on social media against Arius, in their ferocity, arn’t far off from Jodi’s
own violent actions. I guess psychiatrists would use the word “transference” for a lot of the commentary ?
Comments made about Jodi are VERY far off from her actions. Comments and thoughts of anger towards an evil person should never be mistaken as equally heinous as slaughter. That is highly over-reaching rationalization.
Or, “projection,” Me? Maybe they’d use the word “projection.”
It doesn’t matter. I hear what you’re saying about “civilized behavior on our part.”
And, Me, I’d have to see the social media comments you’re referring to. If you want to see some profoundly ferocious, violent comments, take a glance at the opening remarks on the “Jodi Arias Is Innocent dot com” site. There’s a troubling phenomenon. That, I think, IS a form of transference. You may be speaking of anti-Arias comments that approach this level of venom. I don’t know. I’ve seen a broad range (written a broad range, too) and to call them equivalent to JA’s behavior is, as Tango says, seriously over-reaching.
The display outside the courthouse is standard crowds & power. I don’t take to it, personally. I find it crude, brash, excessive, opportunistic, exhibitionist, pointless… but is it? It’s public forum. Been the same since the Roman Republic. The voice of the hoi polloi. In this case, I think a general public is expressing not only support of a crime victim, but also anxiety over a criminal justice system. To bad for me that I’m too precious to join the crowd. But, crowds & power: yes, there’s often a greedy, aggressive, (abusive?) edge. I understand what you’re reacting to; I react, too.
I’m just saying, Me. Like before, I hear what you’re saying. Thnx.
I like that you mention the Romans. The right of the people to partake in justice is undeniable. When I saw those crowds, I almost teared up. Ya, we don’t want lynch mobs, but this wasn’t that. I think people naturally flock to this because it really is their business. Someone comitted an act against humanity in their community, they have a right to peacefully assemble and show support and interest. Watching this and learning about the system is very important to society. We can not have a society where no one is allowed to comment on legal matters or express disdain for criminals.
I also think people are still pained by the Casey Anthony verdict and prayed/hoped that the outcome would be different this time. If not now, when, people asked, fearing the worst for our society when those who think they are above the law now control the law.
Spoken like a true cop’s kid with a glass of wine already downed and starting on her second. My apologies. :-).
Lovely: “… to peacefully assemble… show support and interest…watching this and learning…” Yes, Tango, “because this really is [our] business.” You’ve just spoken so well, so perfectly for all of us.
Pur, you were posting as I typed. Yes! We watch with the Anthony verdict ringing in our ears & serious concern for our system foremost in mind. I don’t think it’s the rouge feeding frenzy on Arias some want to chalk it up to be. (Not at all referring to poster, Me!!! I get Me’s heart felt concern re: civility & DP. Great reference to “Columbine.”)
When Samantha was speaking, she said something about going to Travis’ house when the police were done with the crime scene. She didn’t paint a picture of what that was like, but it’s unimaginable to me to think what that was like, packing Travis’ belongings.
I don’t want to judge but I sort of wish Samantha described what you just mentioned, going to his home etc. Even something like she will never attend Travis’ wedding or be an aunt to his children. They were robbed of spending their adult years together. His friends sung his praises of how generous he was, help anyone out (including his murderer). I heard that they were very restricted with what they could and could not say which is complete bullshit (AGAIN). On a side note, I do hope they unite as a family for future holidays etc, I truly feel that it is what Travis would want.
Someone may have said this…but… Darrell (jodi’s X), Jodi and her childhood friend were scheduled to speak this afternoon. I’m wondering if they had their paperwork ready. Correct me if I’m wrong.. all statements at this point must be approved by court officials before being read. Is it possible that “Little Friend Patricia” didn’t have her’s written out. Or someone’s statement didn’t pass the sniff test.
What could be the problem this time???
Pure gossip… there are reports that the friend has video when she was ‘high’ out there. I just wondered if JM got wind of that and wants to stop her from speaking. JM does not have even a pinch of pity for JA.
I wonder what it is like to now live in Travis’ home. The new owners said they love it. Did a lot-of-renovation. When buying, at a steal, they did NOT know a murder had taken place. Then they found out. I would feel Travis’ beautiful spirit was in the home, happy others could love it as he did. But I would first need to get a exorcist to abolish Evil Jodi’s remnant presence & bless the home.
Late…..Willmot must be putting on fresh lipstick and brushing her hair…..
Apparently, Wilma just came into the courtroom and grabbed her phone and booked back into chambers. I would bet that Jodi is working up to more high drama and the spotlight on her brand of nonsense this afternoon.
Oh god – got to get a new computer… can’t stream – just scream. Why today of all days (other than Verdict /ratings sweeps day) does HLN pick to run a million commericials every 4 minutes AGAIN. I just got my heart & tears wrapped around Travis’ families statements… then that stupid jingle. Rrrrr ! I wish more of his family would have spoken !! – We could have embraced a lot more Travis today. I think Arias is doing what she has always done – Absorb and react to other people’s drama and try to own it for herself. I don’t give a crap about an old girlfriend or boyfriend or having no friends – let alone family. ~ I want to hear I AM SO SO SORRY ~ I OWN ALL OF THIS DESTRUCTION ! ~ And also please skip the pompas phoney religious – God’s Loves stuff, too ! She had her chance to be religious or not ! Free will – Jodi !
When Steven was giving his impact statement, he spoke of having nightmares, flashbacks of the images of his dead brother’s slit throat and his body in the shower and he is now afraid of the dark. Steven appears to be the one with real PTSD symptoms from having to deal with his brother’s savage slaughter.
That had to be so hard for him to sit there and listen to Jodi’s “experts” talk about Jodi having PTSD.
Good thought. That is what Steven described, isn’t it?
Yes, I think you are right.
kh
🙂 Hey is my Canadian Jane out there ? 🙂 🙂 Looking for your thoughts.
I am, I am, JustUs! 🙂 “Veni, vedi, velcro” (as my friend would say) “I came, I saw, I stuck around.” Checking in & enjoying, the funnies & the serious posts. Don’t mean, at all, to lurk. Just behavin’ (ssshhhhh!) Laughed & cried today. Heavy-weight stuff from all points of view, don’t you think? And, now, the ritual stall… ugh.
Jane,I left the light on. Just in time for more JA stuff. Don’t curse often, but I’m about pi$$ed off.
Peach, one hopes it’s due to stage fright & emotional agony on witnesses’ part, not due to more killer-chaos or DT tactics. Sure hope jurors can sustain the feeling. Livid on Juan’s behalf at the distance now carved. She’ll have her “separate piece.” Poetic injustice. Grrr. (Probably due to tech prep? Grrr. Should’ve been handled last night.)
I understand (shhhh). Wow ! ~ another week going by. Will it be our summer and your autumn before this wraps up. OMG ~ once in while I am speechless (type-less) and that’s saying alot ! Waiting on a pizza w/my hubby. We were going to have a Grand Finale’ tonight. He talked with a guy today that asked him … is’nt that the trial about the girl who killed her boyfriend… Not over yet ?” He told me he almost cried when he thought about coming home. OMG 🙂 We’ll be on board anyway.
good to see you Jane 🙂
She’s going to keep on until they give her the death penalty on June 5. So ironic! You know something I’ve only said once since Jan.? I have always believed that a part of the reason she ‘cleansed’ his dead body in the shower was b/c she is still obsessed with him. In her mind it was an act of love to bathe him. I believe somewhere deep inside she is content (for lack of a better word) that she is Travis’ last girlfriend. So freaky.
🙂 !!
Peach – I read, and it’s quite possible she washed him off and tried to wash away the blood in the hallway to keep the smell away as long as possible. And – stuffing him in the shower would further cut down on the stench. It obviously worked. The roommate was in the house and didn’t notice the dead body odor. He thought it was dog poop.
Why did I write this. I’m getting upset again.
Noooo… you think she’s going for an anniversary thing?! O man…
I hope the Jurors remember Steven’s words “I don’t want to see my brother’s murderer any more!”.
He is not allowed to tell the jury straight out that he wants death for her, but that is what he is pleading to them. I hope they are listening! She will continue to haunt him and taunt him from behind bars until she is finally silenced.
Jodi’s childhood friend, Patricia, will testify for her but will not be shown on camera. Her ex, Darren, who was not on camera last time, apparently will be this time. It will be at least 30 minutes before court resumes. Judge is meeting in chambers with Alexander family after meeting with Jodi and her witness with judge. Nurmi has been going in and out of chambers.
I say don’t expect a feed until about 6:30 if we go at all.
On another feed delay due if Friends of Jodi can be include to testify of how her death impacts them and may not be founded under some family impact law as true family. I just think another tactic to prolong so there is a space, downtime, btwn Travis’ family impact testimony and Jodi. Betcha we resume next week so focus is back on Jodi. it’s 3pm now here on west coast..
This comment is untrue. Jodi can call whoever she would like to testify as a character witness.
My friend just read on facebook that Nurmi came out of Judge’s chambers just now and walked right out of the courtroom!!!
What the hell is Jodi pulling now?????????????????
Cue the migraine…
How does this Judge not have a handle on all of this? All these details should’ve been ironed out during their 2 hour lunch “recess”…shows lack of respect for the jurors if nothing else.
Tamara, the best part of that link is within the link. It is an article about an admitted sociopath who also happens to be a law professor and Sunday School teacher. She sounds just like Jodi and writes about her hyperactive senses while she is wanting to follow and strangle a stranger. Just really, really interesting.
Sharon, I got lost, please excuse. What Link? I gotta read that.
Unable to proceed until Mon??? kh
Done. Will return Monday.
Dang, there went my jodi get the dp party! Guess I will have my bottle of wine over the weekend by myself and wait for Monday. We do need to get a bunch together after the jodi show is done, maybe hotlanta?
A-town is beautiful in the spring.
Sounds like it would be fun! Let’s stay in touch. HLN just mentioned that jodi is now asking for life, has anyone else heard that?
Did you all just see Jodi at the end hand a piece of paper to the Deputy???????????
Is he passing notes to DONOVAN for her or something?
Yes. I saw that, too. And, then BAM….the State seal.
I think the Deputy was standing nearby but didn’t get handed the note. But I could be wrong.
Jodi: Executive Director of the Court. Sends memos. Tweets. Web sites. Sales department for t-shirts & art. Celebrity: Schedules multi interviews. Author: Manifesto. Esquire Jodi Arias, counsel to lawyers. “Judge Arias,” can adjourn court for days. Judge, jury, attorneys, witnesses, court attendees, need to go home until Her Honor Arias calls them forth. Has sperm donor ~ Oh no!
The body language between Jodi and her attorneys is quite telling. After they adjourned, Wilmott turned her back on Arias, Arias handed a piece of paper to the mitigation specialist (who was wearing a GIGANTIC cross — can you be any more obvious?) and started to move away from the desk with Wilmott’s back still to her, and then the feed cut. They are battling right now, I believe, over defense strategy. Perhaps Jodi does not want to fight the death penalty. Who knows (perhaps one or two of Jodi’s other personalities???).
I noticed yesterday that Willmott was not paying much attention to JA and Willmott’s body language was definitely more pronounced and standoffish today!
Pur, do you think today’s DT Blue was Travis Blue? If so……. holey moley?!
Hi Jane! I don’t know that it was intentional, but I can’t help but hope that they now wish Jodi had stuck by her “I would beg for the death penalty” stance. But alas they must do what their client tells them. And there is always the “ka-Ching!” To ease their pain. Oh, and as TT knows, I am by no stretch “Pur(e)” but you can call me ‘rica. 🙂
You should hear me say your whole name in rhythm. Goes with a little dance. I’m very impressive. ‘Rica!
JA does not want the dp – she lies, she only said to gain much sympathy,poor baby. Both Nurni and JW wanted OUT of this case and the judge said NO. this was reported on HLN this a.m.
The mitigation specialist sure wore a GIGANTIC cross! Approaching Arias, she probably held it out towards her. Garlic in her bra. (Shame on me 🙂
Lol Dawn @ garlic in her bra! It would be even funnier if it was not so true. I think Jodi is evil.
I KNEW IT …. just told my husband this will go ON TILL NEXT WEEK. Rrrrrrrrr !
The entirety of Nurmi’s defense in opening statement today:
Don’t put her to death because she can draw. (Which is still open to debate).
Also wants “fairness and mercy” shown to JA, but where was this “fairness and mercy” towards Travis on June 4, AND during the trial??
JA still claiming lack of support, abuse and neglect from family. I don’t think that the jurors have forgotten that none of these claims by JA have been proven and that she continues to lie incessantly.
Victim statements by Stephen and Samantha tore my heart out.
Let’s see you try and spin that to your advantage JA, you crazy, lying psychopath.
Every time I hear the “jodi was abused as a child and an adult” claim I want to throw up. I see nothing to indicate that jodi suffered from anything more traumatic than that her parents were maybe assholes, and I’m not even sure I believe that. Are we supposed to save her life because she draws pictures? Good Grief. She not only committed this horrible crime, she has tortured the Alexander family and everyone who loved him for over five years. She has ripped them apart. And then she says on that interview that she would’ve gone “happily into the night” if they State hadn’t forced her to go to trial? BS! Jodi is an equal opportunity destroyer.
kh
Jodi hated authority since she was in middle school, she resented parental discipline and I think she was embarrassed of her family not being wealthy and not being very educated. Remember she thinks of herself as very smart and she love to to use big words (sometimes not in correct context) that I don’t think she knows what they really mean.She used alot of words and phrases that one might hear in the news or in a documentary, and tries to use them in conversation to appear smart.i think her parents wanted to be in Jodi’s life but Jodi rejected them,only keeping in touch to use them if she needed to move or needed emergency funds. I bet it is killing her that she may have to have some family testify for her.
And it was even more enraging to see Jodi try to, again, steal the show from Travis’ family speaking of their grief. Her face all contorted in a hideous mess as the demon tried to cover up laughing with her Freddie long fingers. I never thought I could get more repulsed…but i did.
How can JA claim her mom has not supported her? Her has been at trial every day plus made visits to the jail and the psyche ward!! Is that not support??
Victim statements were heart breaking. Exposed more upheaval in all their lives than I’d even imagined. I was so happy to hear Steven say he did not want to hear his brother’s name dragged through the mud anymore! Amen!!
Meant to say ‘her mom’!
I know! I was chuckling a bit, sad to say. But that’s all he had to work with and he had to try to pull the rabbit out of a hat. Speaking of rabbits, I have three adorable bunnies, I think they’re siblings, that come out and play in front of my home-office window. Little cottontails.
Aaaaaawwwwww! So sweet! We have “several” prairie hares that live on our street and hang out in the local schoolyard. My brother works in Poway CA, and when he eats lunch outside at one of the picnic tables, he has a little bunny buddy that pops out for a visit every once in a while (and no, he doesn’t feed it).
small world, I live in Carmel Mountain Ranch…..I’ll just bet we know the same people!!! I ran the search centers for Danielle, Chelsea and Amber, thus my interest in legal trials.
I agree that JA doesn’t really have too much going for her as far as mitigating circumstances.
“She was young at the time of the murder”. So what? There are juveniles getting life without parole sentences. Just how old do you have to be, before you’re considered responsible for murdering someone in a bloodbath?
“She’s a talented artist”. Really?! Her art is questionable at best. Just because some ‘collectors’ buy her doodles, and artwork from high school online, doesn’t mean she’s talented. Half the prison population can draw (who else is doing all of those jailhouse tattoos?)
“Lack of support; abuse and neglect from family”. So they’re going back to the whole ‘Jodi as a victim’ thing? Do they forget that the jury didn’t buy her Battered Woman defense, ‘the fog’, PTSD, Transient Global Amnesia, etc. Can you imagine what kind of a kid she must have been, with her incessant lying, and demands for attention? She would drive any parent to their limits.
JVM is going to show JA’ cell in just a few minutes and also interview Sheriff Joe! That guy is something else. He makes me laugh and doesn’t care what anyone thinks. I wonder if he will say something about JA!
BTW, I heard all of you groan all the way to Louisiana when the judge announced the jurors would be dismissed until tomorrow!!
I meant dismissed until Monday! I need some sleep!!
Hey Rose I live in north La. And what you heard was probably the big storm that hit my city.I think I had a small tornado hit my property,it destroyed my spring landscaping and the hail was thick like snow.Lol but it could have been everyone groaning that caused the storm. Lol.So no court Friday? Poor Arizona what is wrong with their system that they can’t wrap this up?Is judge Stevens elected or appointed? She is attractive and probably nice but I think she is a large part of the cost and problem with this trial taking this long.I just don’t think she is a strong judge. she should be in civil or family court.
yeah, i get the frustration, but i LIKE this judge; She is humble, see no narcissism there and i think she is trying to keep all clean….so no mistrials/appeals get through here. who knows about fridays but i susupect jury prefers the break so they can “act as if”, or perhaps work a few days. Judge Stevens is not a huge personality in the room, maybe less charismatic than at CA trial (judge b?) nor power-yielding as at OJ (Ito) BUT my impression is that she is trying to keep the appropriate protocol and follow law to avoid problems down the road
I agree with docwall. I think she’s doing a fantastic job. I don’t believe she’ll be the one targeted in the appeals…. and we’re pretty sure there will be some. .
How could Nurmi and Willmott show absolutely NO emotion during victim impact statements from Stephen and Samantha??
Business as usual, I guess…
Probably because they are professionals. I did see Ms. Wilmott have a bit of a sad face and then it was gone.
They’re probably singing la la la la in their heads. Sticking their fingers in their ears might have been a bit much.
They may be so angry at Jodi, they couldn’t feel or show any emotion except hatred. The stone-face look may have been the best they could do. In case you haven’t noticed, Nermi has displayed the same look throughout the trial.
Can anyone explain to me why Jodi is now crying and sooo emotional during victim statements but no emotion at all when she was describing how terrified she was when Travis was coming after her or no emotion when she was being interrogated,hardly any emotion(nothing compared to victim statement emotion)viewing Travis’death and autopsy photos.But now when his family is up giving statements (the family that looks like each other and Travis that she doesn’t want to look at cuz Travis abused her and she doesn’t want to see that.Per her post verdict interview.)she is going crazy with the waterworks facing the jury,where before she would be head down and turned from jury and hair covering her face. Just trying to steal the spotlight from the family! Psycho!!
Crying for herself cuz she knows she’s screwed.
In a nutshell, as Sandra says. Plus, recent meds, housing changes, fits, probably not eating her peanut butter… and, in that condition, having to sit there, staring past the firmly averted chins of her counsel at the backs of people, whose lives she coveted, as they authentically represent all you tried, deceptively, to portray, and being believed by the people who saw through you… the invisibility & envy of it all! Enough to make a rock cry. I think she actually was crying. For the 1st time. Bitter tears of self-pity. She looked absolutely cadaverous.
To Darla & Jane (usually up very early so I’m late to post) – I think Arias’ crying was real more than it has been in the trial. Yes, she does cry for herself, too BUT (how do people “fake” cry? it would hurt my face) I believe she ’emulates’ other people’s dramas. She reacts to DRAMA… as if SHE were the victim. – IMO every sense she possess is ‘transferred’ somewhere in her brain to COPY and regurgitate it back. It’s like there is a ‘flip switch’ in her head that steals emotions from everything around her in order to experience and ACT it out as if it were HER own. It’s an attention-getting mechanism probably developed in childhood. I watched her (albeit disgusted) in slow-motion again & she was ‘re-living’ what Travis’ siblings were saying as if she were really a (empathy) constructive part of their pain. Probably re-playing HER trauma committing the murder, as well. I’m telling ya’… She emotes & reacts like she is watching herself in a ‘movie’. It then projects HER into the center for it all ! – Just look up/ Wiki: Cooley’s Looking Glass Self. It FITS some of the enigma ! It’s a psychological condition – Symbolic reactions to life which enables one to have an identity and epic self-existence. (awareness) My X-sister-in-law (BPD) did it ALL the time – especially when our family was having hard times & terrible loss. It seems unbelievable but somehow they almost always attempt to “up-stage” the situation like clock-work ! Our family were exhausted with reactions to her because her emotions were real AND not real at the same time. There was always the ominous fear she’d reach self-destruction. It took (away) years to realize we had to ignore her dramas, her bursting into tears, her episodic anger, her weird visits, her stalking, her snooping, and her petty thefts. Most of all we had to ignore her non-stop LIES. I called her the ‘Girl’ Who Cried Wolf. – It never STOPS. She is pretty, well groomed, well dressed, socially hi-brow, comes from $$, classic in her tastes, she’s an impeccable house keeper, loves her kids …the whole normal package. Then there’s duality at the same time. She was timid, quiet, afraid to speak, afraid of what people thought of her, and constantly apologetic (like a human doormat !). But, all the while she was thriving 20+20 yeas on the chaos of that “secret life” with someone outside of marriage almost EXACTLY like JA & TA. The whole 9 yards…..! – It drove my brother out and (all of us) nuts.
Hi Darla: I watched the reactions of JA very closely last night. I record all the HLN shows so I can whip thru the commercials. Although she looked hideous, her face was red, and the lower half of her face was all sad and droopy, I never saw any real tears. Not any. I kept watching her, to see if she would wipe away any tears, but I never saw it.
I think she’s still acting. If she’s emotional at all, I think it’s because she has no one on her side like Travis’ family. That’s the family that she wanted to be a part of, who have so much love for each other, despite their childhood. She doesn’t have it with her own family, by her own admission. I’m sure she’s crying for herself, because no one will be getting up there to make such an impassioned plea for her life when it comes time for the defense to beg for it.
I did see a tear fall onto her top. That being said, I believe she cries for herself. I read that even though she sat and cried and appeared to be dazed the day before, as soon as the camera stopped, she got up and started to talk antimatedly with her lawyers. I just know they were thrilled.
After being found guilty of extreme cruelty during the murder, THAT NIGHT she Tweeted “If you preorder at “Survivor” tee, shipping began Mon. Thx for furthering the cause”, with a link to her ‘fan’ website. She is totally demented. Zero remorse.
Here’s a mitigating factor for JA. Her authorized ‘fan’ website is selling the T-shirts with the caption “A portion of the profits generated from the sales will support other survivors of domestic violence, and go to Non-profit Domestic Violence organizations selected by Jodi.”
Now she’s becoming a philanthropist behind bars! Supporting OTHER survivors of domestic violence. Notice it says “a portion of the profits”, and “selected by Jodi”. I don’t know how they are getting away with this stuff. Now that she has been convicted of 1st deg, how is it that she can still profit from her crime?
Peach, I noticed several stains on her top. I thought it was just dirty. Real tears uh.
Nancy, I read the two DA organizations “selected” by Jodi to profit from her t-shirt sales, have no connection to Jodi. They would not take any money. They have nothing to do with this. Requested they be taken off Jodi’s web sites. It is all Jodi again, posting LIES. Women’s Shelter of Long Beach (CA) & Reach Beyond Domestic Violence (National based in Waltham, MA).
Wow really? I saw somewhere that Laviolette was a speaker for them and was collaborating with Jodi to design them?
Thanks Dawn. I’m not surprised that any DV organization would want to distance themselves from JA. I’m just astounded that the creep that is running the JA innocence web site and selling these t-shirts, is using this trial to make money and offer an outlet to the demented “fans” of JA. I saw one picture that made me feel sick on that site, and I shut it down and never looked at it again. People like that make me ill, and I feel ashamed of myself for even looking the web site, even if it was just to research the t-shirt sales. I’m going to make a donation to Travis’ family right now, to try and redeem myself.
Now that jodi has changed her mind about the dp, I remembered something my adopted father used to tell me. This life is not a dress rehearsal, it’s the only one you have. You don’t get second takes or do-overs. Maybe somebody should have told jodi about daddy Clyde’s words of wisdom.
When did she change her mind?
I am watching NG as much as it hurts, the scroll bar on the bottom states that she has changed her mind, that she wants life, not death.
And she’s not lying this time, or has NG gone over the rails again with inaccurate info?
Not sure, the statement was there on the screen. She did not mention it though, which surprised me. Maybe her defense team wanted it? But it was there, I would not have mentioned it otherwise.
Bombshell tonight! Thanks Kitty, it was a real eye opener. Have NG recorded, so will suffer through it…
Hey Kitty, finally had a chance to watch last night’s NG show and not once did NG explain the banner which read that JA had changed her mind and no longer wants the death penalty. Sounds like a tabloid tactic to keep you tuned to her show to find out what’s going on.
It’s like the tabloid headlines that read something like “Queen Elizabeth In Bed Dying” only to find out inside that the information is true only to the point that yes Queen Elizabeth is in bed, and she’s dying to find out what happens in the next episode of “Coronation Street”.
Was anything mentioned in today’s shows?
This was another case of trying to not hurt anyone’s feelings. Jodi is in lock up and not issuing statements. At some point I just got tired and let the bullshit roll yesterday.
Sorry…….what? Who’s hurting who’s feelings in this thread? I’m confused. So, if JA is able to announce a special deal for her t-shirts, why is it impossible for her to communicate, even in lock-up? Was asking if anything more was explained about the banner displayed on NG’s show, or if this was her usual NG crap reporting. Don’t understand your b/s comment…
Saying Nancy Grace does the crappy reporting, not anyone else, especially Kitty.
@Darla, excellent point! “Just trying to steal the spotlight from the family” I’m glad you pointed that out. I didn’t think of that but you are so right.
Hey Haze! Love the name. Once had a woman who worked with me who was named Misty and her boyfriend at the time was named “Haze”. No lie. 🙂
After seeing Jodi’s cell and watching the video online – I can see why she’s trying to stretch the trial out as long as possible. No TV and no cellmate. Her bed is a couple feet from her stinky toilet; she has a cement floor. Paper bags are used to hold her junk. The community showers are right next to her room; the telephone is directly across. Someone is peeping in to check on her every 15 minutes. She’s not living the life of Riley – at least not right now. And, she’s in her cell 23 hours a day, except on court days. So she is excited to be out, for any reason.
She is getting a little taste of what life will be like for the next several years.
I have been thinking about those paper bags since I saw the video. I bet they hold her fan mail, yes, those crazies do write to her. You can tell that the top bunk is her trial prep desk, sorta. She is severely limited as to what she can have inside her cell so it just has to be fanmail. There were even paper bags under her bunk.
I’m a little concerned about her fans. It kinda makes me think they may be murders in the making. Why on earth would someone want to support her, knowing she’s an admitted brutal killer….go figure. Maybe the IRS will target them..lol
I KNOW. The whole time I am obsessed @ justice for Travis, you think of the IRS choosing a person to investigate. LOL @ you.
Could the paper bags contain the 5 months+ of notes she’s been taking for her manifesto? Ugh!
Probably. Though they are not necessary now, but I wonder if the state could have reviewed her notes to use for evidence.
Hey Jane. I’m on the west coast and I’m just catching up on the posts.
You’re O.K. – Right?
Bouncin’ (well, not so much) & (more importantly) BEHAVIN’. How are you, Smitsa! I know, they’re already snug as bugs back east, sssshhhhhhh… Such a sobering day in court, huh? And, then, of course, the routine stall. I was in & out, watching feed, reading here… Just filling in the gaps, now, too.
Jane – I’m doing well.. I was just checking. The blogs were going sideways for a bit..lol. When I go online, most of the east-coasters are generally sleeping. The are three hours ahead of me.
At one point I had was switching between the OJ feed, JA and TT’s blogs. My head started spinning when I tried to add HLN on the tv into the mix. I felt I was getting a little obsessed and shut everything down except the JA feed. I rehabbed myself before it got worse.
Stand by for Monday… it should be interesting if JA shows up.
I was really touched when Det. Flores stood up in respect when Stephen and Samantha each came up to face and speak to the jurors. Mr. Martinez was also already standing.
Very somber. And heart-wrenching. I don’t care how abrasive some people think Juan is. He is passionate, he is the voice for those who can’t speak, and he clearly is good at what he does. I, for one, would never take a jab at him.
Juan is passionate, at times I even felt he could have been more so even. Nurmi with his lazy demeanor needs to learn from Juan. I know Jodi is guilty and Nurmi did not want to do this, but I think at times he has been too calm and that isn’t gonna save her life. Again she is guilty so in this case it is a “no harm done” situation, to all of us who want to see her convicted, but what if she wasn’t? What if she was innocent or really defending herself? I wouldn’t buy it from Nurmi.
oooh I didn’t see that. thanks for sharing. I did notice Flores seemed deeply moved. I also noticed the defense attorneys wore blue today. And the camera didn’t show Nurmi much during VIS but they did show Wilmott and she was struggling a bit, at least in my perception.
I also noticed that the DF was wearing blue today. Considering how JW & KN have worn color coordinating suits in the past, it can’t have just been coincidence. I think they look like they’ve lost the fight. They must be drained physically, and with their client out of control as she is, they are just going through the motions IMO. It must be hard on them when they’ve HAD to work so hard to defend a totally remorseless killer, who then throws them under the bus in that interview she gave right after the verdict.
I agree, Willmott was struggling. She has eyes that flash anger or sadness before she can hide it. She knows.
Jodi hasn’t bathed (well from my perspective. Even with very long hair when I hit the shower I always wash it) in at least a day or so. It she has dry hair, maybe longer. Depressed people are often averse to showering. Don’t ask me how I know this. Despite that great feeling of being clean and covered in all the scents of body washes and perfumes and lotions (which I get she doesn’t have as a lure) it just seems like a lot of work for no reason sometimes when you are severely depressed. I think we were seeing that today. Her social interaction was taken away, she’s essentially in solitary, and no fan club to go back to to recount her day. Things are sinking in. That said, I still think she was drugged. A LOT.
DET FLORES is as big a hero as Juan IMO!
I have great respect for Det. Esteban ‘Steve’ Flores!
at the risk of repeating something that has been said already (sorry, 200+ comments is a lot to read through first) i think jodi thought a little reverse psychology would work with her “give me liberty or give me death” stance. i really think she thought “if i tell them to give me the death penalty, they won’t do it!” and i don’t think they should either. lock her away in solitary for the rest of her life, and let her slowly drive herself crazy. of course legally we couldn’t get away with it, but wallpaper her cell with pictures of a murdered travis. her mind will take care of the rest. i would gladly contribute my tax dollars to this kind of “upkeep.”
now that jodi is out of the way, let’s get started on this piece of shit (and they may be too complimentary) ariel castro. let me count the ways that i could dream of to torture him…
Vivala – I see nobody is posting about that slimeball. Hopefully, TT will let us discuss it a little until Jodi is history. Do you think Ariel’s brothers knew nothing about the women being him his home. The girls may not have seen them, and have cleared them, but, my gut tells me they knew something. They acted really weird during the CNN interview.
Check out the letters in Jodi and slimeball Castro’s names… I wonder if he was also born on July 9th?
have not seen the cnn interview, i read the transcript so it was hard for me to tell how sincere they were. my personal feeling is they didn’t know, but if they had i don’t think they would have turned him in like they claimed they would have.
sorry it has taken me so long to reply, i am just now seeing your post! it’s hard to discuss this one right now because everything is being kept so tightly underwraps. i am waiting for the write-up with first time photos in people magazine.
about his brothers…i think they knew there was something he was doing that he kept secret. but i don’t think they thought it was anything like that. they probably surmised he had behind those locked doors an extensive porn collection, perhaps. or maybe he practiced witchcraft, grew pot, etc. i truly don’t think they thought he had human prisoners. it seems that all 3 of them are dysfunctional, however while the 2 brothers became alcoholics, ariel became a kidnapper and rapist.
Guess what friends… Ariel Castro (the rapists, kidnapper, baby killer arrested in Ohio) was born on…wait for it….. July 10th. I hope I’m not the only one who just found that out and knows it’s relevance to Jodi Arias.
When I saw about this guy who kidnapped those girls, I thought, too bad he didn’t kidnapp Jodi.
I feel bad for Jodi’s character witness, Patricia. I hope that the reason they didn’t go forward is because she changed her mind. There are news media/attorneys mocking her on twitter for her drug history, she doesn’t seem like the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree. But with all the lynch mob mentality out there, someone will come for her and try to make her suffer for supporting Jodi.
It seems like Patricia has made some poor choices in her life, but it will be Jodi Arias that destroys it if she testifies. If she does indeed have a drug history, this could be another life taken by Jodi. It’s sad.
True Tamara, Jodi’s collateral damage seems to be far reaching. I don’t know why Jodi’s family won’t talk for her, we already know who they are, so they already face public disdain, why not speak? She does not have one aunt, uncle, cousin, etc. that the defense could get to talk? Even the mother could get up there and say something, even say she regrets the supposed bad childhood but she thinks Jodi has something worthy of life in her. Either Jodi has one assh*le family, or she is really that evil to them?
This is how I understand things. The family can give a statement without taking the stand. That means they do not have to face cross examination.
Jodi has a CHOICE she can give a statement or take the stand. If she takes the stand she will be crossed by Juan. She will likely just give a statement.
But Jodi’s character witnesses, cannot just give a statement. They will be subject to cross. Juan will bring up that Patricia has a criminal history and hardly a good judge of character. Darrell has already faced cross so he will likely go forward.
As for the family statements for Jodi, Juan could cross them and it would be bad. He would be able to bring in the police interviews which are bad for Jodi. And he would bring up the stupid sister comments, etc. Her family would be raked through the coals and it would likely do more harm than good.
Essentially, she has no mitigating factors and no character witnesses. Her mother for example would be made to look horrible for not getting her any help, plus her mother doesn’t seem like a …how to say this without violating my #compassion2013… she does not seem like someone the jury would be sympathetic to.
Basically Jodi is fucked.
True, but why not face it? I guess if Jodi was my daughter I wouldn’t care, I’d be up there bawling my eyes out and takin full blame for not getting her help, I would cry like a river and plea as a mother to save my baby’s life. Lay it all out there, (it’s out there anyway). Idk, it seems at this stage like they should pull out the stops and try to get any sympathy possible … I am not going to feel sympathy for Jodi, but I would for her mom, if she’d do something other than smirk.
Oh and I agree the mom hasn’t presented herself as someone we’d all feel compassion for, but I mean I would feel badly for her if she took the stand and cried and was believable.. maybe she doesn’t have it in her. But what about aunts or cousins, people Juan can not really cross about specifics or interviews, so they can just talk about good things they see in Jodi? I just think it’s odd that a 32 yr old woman has no one but an ex sugar daddy or a Patty. No teachers? No former employers?
I believe that the reason that Patricia was not allowed to testify on Thursday was because she had on shorts and one of the shirts that all the housewives seem to adore… a one shoulder #. The blouse would have looked great if you were going to dinner while at the beach but not so much for court. Whatever else might have gone on, I don’t know. I also read that the Maricopa Co. Probation Office has told Donovan that she and JA can no longer have contact b/c both are convicted felons.
In a normal court situation I could see the dress code thing happening. I doubt that Stevens would have stopped THIS trial over it though. But who knows.
That would be awesome if JA and Donovan can’t have any more contact because they’re both convicted felons, but who’s going to Tweet for her each night?
I read that Amanda Knox was also born on July 9th. Anyone know if that’s true?
Yes, it’s true. OJ Simpson was also born on July 9th!
omg – now that is weird!!!
Ok, during victims statements i kept thinking how weird and scary Jodi looked,I guess it could be drugs but no way is it that.She is full view looking at the jury hoping they are noticing her. But the scary faces was still bothering me and then it hit me, she looks like Edvard Munch’s “the Scream” painting (well if the Scream had really greasy bangs and glasses). Seriously! Google the Scream and see,it looks like Jodi especially when she puts her hands to her cheeks like the Scream. Scaryyyy!
Yes!
You are absolutely right, Darla. CREEPY!!!! Her face looked especially drawn and white today with a definite appearance of a skeleton. Those long and bony fingers of hers just add to the illusion. Dead Woman Walking?
Cadaverous!
Cadaverous – great word! Wish I had thought of it.
Bang on with the looks. As for persona, she’s the quintessential modern era Lizzie Borden!
Hopefully, TT is taking a much-needed break from the Jodi Arias trial drama. I want her rested up and ready to tackle Big Brother 15! The best blog ever.
Pura – what’s Big Brother 15 blog ?
I had the same thoughts that many have mentioned- “wow, she is under the influence of a powerful drug”, and “wow, she looks filthy and absolutely spent”.
I wonder if her lack of mitigating factors could be a factor itself, like, “look, she has had so little worthwhile in her life,” a reason to feel sorry for her.
And as I’ve said before, the ability of adrenaline to keep a person from feeling pain is VERY real, and I really hope the defense was right, that adrenaline worked that magic… But I doubt there was much adrenaline BEFORE his first wound, so… Yeah, I think that makes all the difference.
I don’t believe in the death penalty, but even if I did, I don’t think I’d feel strongly either way. Even though I think power of life and death is too profound a responsibility for the govt, I don’t consider death the ultimate punishment. Yes, in prison Jody will have the opportunity to feel happiness and experience pleasure at times, and while she may not deserve that, I think she will lose enough leading a long life in prison. Iiii… do kinda hope everyone in the system gives her an especially shitty time though. I can’t help wishing her suffering that is beyond what the system can do to her.
@Sars– “look, she has had so little worthwhile in her life,” may be the only valid mitigating factor I’ve heard thus far!
Sars, I have always been pro death penalty in the right circumstances. When the time came to hand down that verdict, could I give it? – I really don’t know. If JA does not get the DP, Judge Stephens has 2 options for sentencing. 1) Life without parole & 2) Life with parole after 25 years. I believe in Arizona , a person must serve 80% of his/her sentence. That would be 20 years, and in JA’s case she already has 5 years served and with good behavior, she could be out in the world in 15 years or less! That is a very SCARY thought!!
I hope if not the DP, Judge Stephens will give her LWOP. I don’t think Stephens buys any of this either. And the fact that she’s being very careful not to cause mistrials and silly appeals makes me think Stephens believes JA is a monster. If the sentencing is left up to her, she’ll max her out. That beast does not belong back in society. For one, prison will not rehabilitate her. If anything she’ll get more cunning. She’ll probably go through the prison guards as well. She’s not fixable. Let’s claim it right here and right now. Jodi Ann Arias will pay for her crimes. For when (or if) she repents, it will be up to God to determine her fate. She will meet her maker someday, and when she does; she will be cast out to burn everyday in hell in her self-proclaimed afterlife. Mark my words.
Elle, do you think she’ll go through the guards. I don’t think she’s a nympho in the true since of the word. She doesn’t seem to be hung up on sex just for the joy of it.
I think she uses sex to get who she wants and what she wants. Oops! I just answered my own question. The guards can get her whatever she wants, if she returns the favor.
I believe all that taped sex talk was staged to get Travis talking for blackmailing purposes. She just wanted to be somebody’s wife. And, to marry someone who would take care of her financially . She hopped from job to job most of her life.. as a bartender; waitress; wannabe photographer; PPL salesperson and who knows what else. Oh yes, her first profession was a botanist – when she grew weed on her parents roof at age 13.
Omg. Just watching yesterday’s court proceedings again. Did you notice not only defense team wearing blue but so was the court reporter/stenographer? Coincidence? I think not.
personally, I think the defense team did it to diffuse the effect of the other side wearing blue….
Now we all have to ‘gerd our loins’ as my husband says… Jodi Arias is going to take the stand (?) Monday !! Ugh ! ~ It just occured to me – when she saw how pretty Travis’ sister was… does anybody think ? (narsicistic) she realized she was an emotional mess (greasy bangs + all) and she just couldn’t get up there NOW ? – Perhaps it was her witness’ comments that JM objected to, too. But really – Why would she show up the last day, ready to testify, already looking like crap ? …the indians are circling the wagons. ~ It’s Jodi’s Last Stand ! (ha)
I dunno WTF is up WordPresses’s ass today but this post has come through moderation like ten times. I cannot for the life of me figure out why. Sorry if it is posting ten times or was very delayed… Quirks.
I don’t know why it’s doing that either, Tamara. Sometimes I dont open my cookies + old computer/browser…etc. On a new post, I click follow-up to get it started. ??? Sorry it’s a pain in the ass to have to go over & over. I’ll so try-y-y shorter remarks in the future ! (ps for next post… get some sleep, too) 🙂
I don’t think it is you. I think it is wordpress. Not a problem for me at all.
Oh wow. I didn’t realize that she was the one in the wedding. How sad for her. She is a tattooed mess now. Let’s not trash her here please. I think she is struggling with doing the right thing. It’s hard to know what that is. What if the bridesmaid of your wedding turned out to be a Jodi Arias? Would you defend her and try to save her from the death penalty?
um… #compassion2013?
Tamara – I was commenting on > Arias< not wanting to take the stand looking crappy not her old girlfriend – in case your reply was refering to Aria's old girl friend. My bad – run-on brain and run-on sentences. I don't think I would want to be in the girl friends place – that would take such integrity and kindness.
FYI – Jinkasaurus just stated that Arias’ friend Patty Wolmac (sp?) not only does not want to in front of the camera to testify – but also does NOT want to be audiotaped either…WOW ! I’m not sure how to process that – why couldn’t they do it yesterday in closed session ?
wow! So..I guess she really doesn’t want to go on record giving Jodi a mitigating circumstance! She shouldn’t be allowed to speak to the jury if that’s the case!
I think it happened because some idiot TV atty, I forget his name, Something GOLD started tweeting her picture immediately after the judges ruling she could be anon. This pissed me off and led to me tweeting and receiving a whole bunch of YOU CAN TAKE PICTURES ALL YOU WANT IN A PUBLIC PLACE! And SHE WAS ON XYZ SHOW SHE IS A MEDIA WHORE!
Essentially the maniacs are already hanging her. If I were her I would go home and refuse the whole thing at this point. She seems…. well I am not going to speculate and her “history” is all over twitter.
I myself have been asked to attest to someone’s “good character” it’s a hard spot to be in especially if you would rather not. If you have had a friendlike relationship with them for a long period of time and hope they come out okay… to be asked to attest to their character lest they face serious charges is a hard thing. I just… turtled and stop responding to calls. I still feel badly.
I don’t know how this Patty person can testify to Jodi’s abusive childhood after going on many programs saying the opposite. And the jury may recall the time she sat next to Sandy Arias in the gallery….chuckling away. I am also suspicious…all the delays in this trial have occured when the defense is set to present.After the magazine message for Bobby Yuarez…I wouldn’t put anything past Jodi.
I’d like to know the thoughts of writers about Patty Womack’s sudden hiccup yesterday because I am confused. When I first saw her pix on Nancy Grace (wedding pix) she was only speaking over the phone; however, her face was displayed. She confessed she had not visited Jodi much because she has a family…yadayada. Anyway she also confessed that she did not want to get on the stand and stay hidden from the public, but her pictures (including Darryl Brewer’s) were all over the internet and tv. I’ve seen her in the courtroom on more than one occasion as well. Now it’s time to stick up for her friend. Why volunteer then back down the day of? Especially since she’s the one who allowed national television to splatter her pictures all over the place. There are also pix of the both of them at very young ages that shows she was really her homegirl. Something smells fishy to me. Here are my questions:
Did Womack get a sudden fear of repercussion from the public and totally back out?
Did TA’s siblings affect her to the point where she could not face them?
Was she a part of Jodi’s life when Jodi was caught growing weed on her parents roof? (Remind you that she declined to elaborate to Nancy Grace when posed with that question—-plead the 5th basically). However, she said that she faced a severe consequence from her parents…jail. Was she locked up too and banned from hanging around Jodi. Maybe she was a bad influence on Jodi too and JM might expose that after she speaks.
Can she really justify the discipline of Jodi’s parents? I mean really, Jodi was a little trouble maker and was spoiled. I can see the both of them smoking weed, drinking, and Lord only knows what else…I’m just saying. So who is she to corroborate anything positive for Jodi other than the wedding pictures she took.
I personally believe she realizes this. She (Womack) has stated a few times that she and Jodi did not see each other for some years after Jodi moved on and that she moved on too.
Help tamartattles
Perhaps, she does not want her reputation to be so vilified like Dr. Sam and LaV.
I wouldn’t ever want to be associated with JA publicly… Could affect your whole life going forward, especially you “employment” life now that there is such devouring of your personal back ground before hiring.. This would be on her record for years….
I am beginning to wonder, and forgive me if someone else has already addressed this, but this thing with Patty Womack might be what’s holding up the proceedings.
It may be allowed for her to ask that her face be hidden during her testimony, (a la Darrel Brewer in January) but perhaps Arizona statutes prohibit the actual audio testimony from being hidden. The testimony may need to be part of the public record. Perhaps the judge is taking an extra day to clarify this issue, otherwise it may become grounds for appeal. I don’t think actual testimony can be hidden. This isn’t Jodi’s private country club trial.
The taxpayers of AZ are paying for the trial and they have the right to at least hear the testimony directed at the defendant, which is integral to the trial and which will influence the outcome.
Any ideas?
When I mentioned “ferocious” comments from social media I was reading from You Tube. T.T. is the only site I have ever contributed to, and that only because I thought the content was witty/fair and balanced.The Phoenix crowd’s reaction to the verdict reminded me of “Crowds and Power” by Elias Canetti who argued that the power of mobs/crowds can be used against the power of the state. (In the 1920’s he saw street rioting over inflation in Frankfurt and the burning of the Vienna Palace of Justice). In this trial the crowd’s power is backing the state. In some sense, modern social media has a crowd/mob mentality which sometimes is tyrannical : T.T excepted. A long time ago, when I read his book (he had a sense of humour) I decided to stay clear of crowds. Travis Alexander was attracted by the thoughts/deeds of great people, past and present. He was a motivational speaker who also used his own experiences to build up those around him. (I am going by what his brother and sister said about his effect on their family and others). On the other hand, there is what he is recorded by Arius as saying to her on the phone conversation played in court. How is it that no-one discusses his words to her ? They are not what most self-respecting women would want to hear from a man. Attempting
to avoid speaking ill of the dead, a whole hagiography has been woven around Travis Alexander. He thought/said some dark things (we all do) that may have helped
to unhinge his murderer. Anyone too susceptable to the power of words, would have
counted up all of his words and experienced them as wounds. (Alfred Korzybski’s
“Science and Sanity” which is about semantics and how it effects human
consciousness). From what his brother and sister said about Travis Alexander,
and about what he was trying to accomplish, I doubt that he would have approved the death penalty for Arius. He probably would have liked
Martinez’ paraphrase of
John Donne : anyone’s death diminishes all of us. Sadly, Alexander is no longer here to ask. That certainly is Arius’ fault as she was finally forced to admit.
Me, have you read Canetti’s “Ear Witness” – like “Crowds & Power,” very, very good. Occurred to me, last night, that both apply, interestingly, to social media.
Thanks Jane. I will read “Ear Witness”. I’ve put in an interlibrary loan request to
reread “Crowds and Power”. It was a long time ago that I read it. I’ll go after
“Ear Witness” as well. Appreciate the reader’s advisory work on your part !
P.S. can you imagine what would have happened if someone had introduced
reincarnation and the influence of past lives into this trial ! Martinez would have
gone apoplectic : at least an additional two months to the trial ? I’m reading
M.J. Rose’s latest fiction book : “Seduction”. She has studied reincarnation and
Carl jung’s writings as well for years I think.
ME, emails and messages were severely edited to favor Arias. Phone sex tape contents initiated by Arias, who also served as the “director” of the production because she planned to record it for future use. Talking about the weather would have been useless to her.
ah. I am only skimming here for now. so much going on HERE. but so grateful for the intelligent discourse.
I think it is silly to say Travis would not have wanted dp for Jodi, as he indeed is not here to say so. I have a feeling had he seen this done to his brother, he would be doing the same thing his family is. As for the way he spoke to Jodi, it is really irrelevant to anything in this case, as she enjoyed it and continued seeing him. No, she loved it, as shown by her giggles and continued chasing of him. The only thing she may have disliked was the sociopath and three holed wonder comments, which he made to her after she had stalked and harrassed him and his dates. The undeniable truth is that NO words justify the crime she committed. There’s such a thing as responsibilty for one’s own actions. If he was so horrible to her, she always had the option to leave and certainly the option to not murder, period. Any rationalization that he caused this in any way is gross psycho babble.
No words, however ugly, would justify a normal person committing such a crime. I agree. I said in a former post, that Jodi may be a psychopath, i.e. she’s not normal.She is not capable of being responsible for her actions. She could not have left him as a normal person would have done. Remember she lies constantly : one of the signs of a psychopath. Did she or didn’t she enjoy the phone sex ? Who really knows. Tango, you have clarified for me what I think has been wrong throughout this trial. People keep judging her by the yardstick and standards applied to normal people.Sandards that do not apply. She’s abnormal and a mystery to all of us. That’s why I think that science professionals should study her. As for what Travis
Alexander might or might not have decided concerning the death penalty, I said that I
“doubted” he would have approved a death penalty. Yo’ve caught me in wishful
thinking (not psycobabble). You’re right : just because I think that two wrongs don’t
make a right, doesn’t mean that Alexander would have thought that. “Science and Sanity” talks about how all of us can take words seriously in the wrong way : how we can be led by words to misunderstand reality. Alexander did not realize how
Arius would react to his words. (She’s abnormal). As defence lawyer Linda Kenny
Baden said of Alexander : “he didn’t realize that he had a rattlesnake by the throat.”
You left off the first of JM’s quote. “Do not ask for whom the bell tolls.” When JA rang that bell, Travis Alexander died.
Me – (and Jane, too) If it’s OK – I am borrowing your book list for my next round of independent reading – I do for the hell-of-it. I totally believe our / the mass media & advertsising circus preoccupies the Ego and battles the Id. (Murrow said) TV broadcasting could be amazing or become very dangerous ! I’m even afraid of my own slight desire to “be connected” electronically and I relish that reluctancy to date. Being left out in a crowd or being a part of a crowd… one can change so many…(grew up in the 60’s) Who was it said (besides Lennon before he was assinated…) “I wanna’ save humanity – it’s just people I can’t stand !!” ~ All the heros I’ve had during my life time were killed or are dead. The Media IS a mob, especially social media.
The two people this Mitigation Expert barely managed to scrape together…they plan to say what a wonderful person Jodi was before 2006, her ability to trace other people’s artwork etc.But that was then, now she butchered a human being, proven liar and all these antics taking place during the trial. The level of disrespect, the incredible lack of remorse or honesty…this is who she is now. I am wondering if Juan Martinez can bring any of this in during closing…doubtful of course. I think she will get dp anyway.
I was always worried throughout this trial that we, the public, knew SO many details that were not admissable or the defense precluded…not to mention all the crap the defense included and yet she was convicted of M1. Speaks to Juan Martinez and his amazing ability to steer clear of nonsense and remain focused.
I would hate to be facing the DP knowing that the only two people who have anything nice to say about me are a friend from childhood (like 20 years ago?) who won’t show her face and an old boyfriend that I decided not to kill.
I fear that on Monday, jodi will dish out even more kinds of crazy and pain for everyone who has survived knowing her. I think she will get death. And that she is raging right now about her lack of control over the situation and the years of solitary that will come before her death. Not to mention being interview-blocked by the judge.
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What happened to the guy who testified he heard Travis yelling at Jodi on the phone. I believe he’s the one she called at 3:30a.m. to tell about Travis’ death.
Patty Womack may be trying to withdraw her offer to stand up for JA on Thursday afternoon when she was expected to testify. Maybe JA is desperately scrambling to find a replacement (good luck with that ).
After the strong, irrefutable victim impact statements presented by Stephen and Samantha has Patty running scared. How do you effectively follow something like that? Get up and umm your way through how much fun it was to grow pot up on the roof when you were kids? Sneaking out at night? Riding around in cars with boys?
Oh yeah, don’t give her the death penalty because she knows how to trace pictures from magazines.
Agreed Sandra. And call me cuckoo but I have a nagging sensation that Jodi-la is not done yet. I fear some strange over the top event from her. I know it would seem weird for violence of any kind there but I look at her and I see Shark and as Peter Benchley described them in “JAWS” they be primordial killing and eating machines. They just do what they do and we know we she does. Of course since everything in her life seems to be about movies, both real and imagined I could see her seeing NINJAs rappeling into the courtroom (come on DONTCHA SEE EM!) with Jodi leading the way with a blunt pencil attack on THE GREAT JUAN. Whew only 2:30 in LA and its time for a beverage.
It’s like waiting for the proverbial other shoe to drop. Jodi has given all of us PTSD, because we are turning into nervous wrecks waiting to see what she going to do next. Obviously, something is afoot with La Arias, and once again, the focus is back on her, just where she wants it.
Yes. I think Jodi will become an even more grotesque caricature of herself come Monday. She’s festering now alone in her cell. Wonder if she’ singing to herself and doing headstands?
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Agree completely, something strange always happens and she is dangerous. The defense alone is responsible for all the delays…years in the making.I can’t believe all the late starts, no starts, long ass lunches,early dismissals, last minute in chambers hearings, 10 break midway…I always felt for this jury but at least they weren’t sequestered. Then to think of his family and what a long 5 months it’s been for them, watching this drag out.
I am suspicious of the delay from yesterday and can’t help but think that Jodi was behind it…didn’t this Patty person know she would be televised and why the sudden cold feet? She was on plenty of other primetime shows not to mention…in the gallery yucking it up with Jodi’s “abusive” mother. The whole witness tampering thing with the magazine says it all and I could see Jodi wanting to slow this down again. Maybe she is hoping the more this drags, the better her chances of having a new group decide her fate, a group that she can potentially sway. I don’t know but hopefully soon, she will be walking the plank.
Maybe Patty was the recipient of the doctored magazine and she knows Juan is going to grill her about it to destroy her credibility?
I absolutely agree. Notice the way she looked after the aggravation phase was proven. Her eyes were stone. No more crying for Jodirama…uh ah. That was a look of anger (with her lawyers and the jury). Jodi has nothing in her past that can say she is worthy of living. If she was such a good artist and photographer, then why on earth would she not aggressively pursue these talents even harder after dropping out of school? I hear no mention of feeding the hungry, volunteering herself for worthy causes, pursuing her goals, etc. She lived off of the people’s lives she asserted herself into. At no time has Jodi paved a way for herself, responsible with bills…nothing. Instead she chooses to work at restaurants and prey on others but brags about a high IQ score to stroke her ego, but what had she done with it previously? She’s a bum. She is a naïve brat wrapped in the skin of a woman; however, she cannot call herself a real woman. She can’t even take responsibility for her actions (good or bad)…Fake all the way around and we can see it coming…another stunt that will only further embarrass her family as well as herself.
Adam, I keep having this picture in my head of JA grabbing Willmott’s ink pen and stabbing her with it!!! Every time I see Willmott leave that pen unattended I keep my eye on it and say to the TV, “Get that pen, Willmott! JA ain’t called Stabby for nothing!”
Agree Rose and did anyone notice the icey cold between JW and JA last week? It was vedddy interestink. I am probably just hoping for this but I really wonder if JA attacked or swung at the NURMSTER or JW. Knowing what a heep mo horror doggie Jody is now that she can not believe she is going down. All will be disposable in her mind. I also see exactly what Travis’s brother was talking about when he said he did not want her around anymore. She will never shut up constantly impugning Travis till she can do so no more.
Patty may really be afraid, if not she should be. The media is going to tear her apart. She didn’t come across as an Einstein on HLN. She strikes me as a follower, who Jodi probably used like she did everyone in her life. Patty reminds me of the not-so-smart, timid girl in school who trailed behind the popular girls and catered to their every need. You are right, she may have changed her mind after hearing the Alexanders speak. Or, after she realized she had to submit a written statement which had to be scrutinized. She’s already getting slammed on twitter and has been since the beginning of the trial.
Jody needs a heavy impact speaker….. Patty ain’t the one.
Hi, I’m a first-time commenter here and have enjoyed and agreed with all the great comments. I’d just like to mention, that I, too, saw Jodi’s tears. At the end of the day, one was visible on her left lower jaw, and soon after that the one dropped onto the front of her blouse. Shortly after, she stood up and court didn’t resume. I’ve struggled with seeing this thing shed a tear because I don’t believe for one second that she cares for anyone but herself. Watching her emote made me think that she felt like she was in the same catagory as the Alexander family, and especially Steven and Samantha. I could be way off here, but I think Jodi’s warped and wicked mind twists this so that she’s a victim like the family and therefore has the right to cry for HERSELF and mourn HER loss, because she IS the real victim here. She just can’t not be the center of attention. It always has to come back to her.
I think Jodi does cry tears, but for herself. She has probably often cried in anger, but not remorse. We’ve all had those times we get so angry or frustrated that we cry. I think it’s more likely her adrenaline and anger in the tears. She cried when Juan detailed the murder, and shook her head to say “no, he’s got it wrong”. She seems to cry when someone is talkin about what she did, but she can rattle off nasty things about Travis with a straight face.
Of course. she cries for Travis being so stupid as to not see the life she and he could have had because all of it ….everything is HIS fault. HE MADE ME KILL HIM. Watching Travis’s brother and sister was just horrifying, him especially, when he said , ” I can no longer sleep alone in the dark.” I lost it as well. And then to see that SHE DEVIL pretend weeping arrrgggghhh. You knew it was bad when even JM was looking away and fumbling with exhibits. I still say though watch Jodi-la on monday she is cornered now and thats when she if likely to lose it.
If y’all remember during the testimony with Flores she admitted that she was not crying for TA but for all that SHE was going to miss!
Dr. Drew says she cries or pretends to cry when she is cornered or in a panic. Lord knows she should be in a huge panic during mitigation as she watched her life go down the drain.
Oh, and now she doesn’t want to die so she has to show some sort of emotion. Maybe she can borrow an onion from the kitchen when she gets back on the stand on Monday. At least, those would be real tears!!
I believe at this point in her life, and for the rest of her life really, even something as simple as an onion is not an option for her. These small things in life that she is losing out on, satisfy me to some extent.
Good point, Peach! Maybe she can ‘picture’ herself in a kitchen chopping an onion, then! That might do the trick! LOL
Does anyone think the jury might think, “Why isn’t JA’s mother, sister, brother or g’moher testifying for her during mitigation?” Did I miss something about that? Who better to expound your good qualities than your mother. The love of a parent overlooks a lot of faults…not that JA’s mom could overlook killing TA…but she should be the one best to speak for JA. Could it be that JM could bring in the mom’s testimony with Flores? Saying her daughter needed psychiatric help should be a plus for JA.
I heard on HLN that she could be cross examined, and Juan could ask her if she abused Jodi, he could ask her about other problems Jodi had with the law. He could ask her about the kicking incident, and other things that might make Jodi look worse. It sounds like she wants to testify, but she doesn’t know if she will be allowed by the defense (Jodi).
Goodness, Juanfan, I never thought about that! Thanks for clearing that up for me as it was a big discussion around my house! I guess the same could be said for the other members of her family, as well.
Not sure it’s a “fact”, HLN is sloppy sometimes, but if they are correct, Mom could do more harm than good and bring in things that jury hasn’t even heard about yet. For example, Mom asked Jodi if she did it when she first heard of Travis, and Jodi said, immediately, “I wasn’t in AZ and I have gas receipts to prove it!” Jodi may be able to get a high score on an IQ test, but her brain doesn’t work logically, she thought those receipts “proved” she wasn’t in AZ, this might have been all the proof she needed to fool mama, but moms want to believe their kids. To me, this proved Jodi planned the murder and the receipts were her alibi.
Again, here is how it works.
Victims’s Family gives a statement. They are not witnesses they cannot be cross-examined.
Jodi, as the murderer has a choice. She can also give a statement, or she can retake the stand. If she chooses the latter, Juan will be able to cross her. This part is fuzzy for me. I think they strictly limit what can be said in her statement. It may in fact be limited to just a statement of remorse, while if she takes the stand she can blame her parents, tell how she was a victim of violence, etc.
The character witnesses for Jodi do not have options. They are witnesses and therefore subject to cross-examination by the prosecutor. He can ask all sorts of questions that will either make the witness appear noncredible, or force them to admit bad things about Jodi. The people who know Jodi most likely know a lot of bad things about her. Also,Jodi’s mother in particular could contradict her abuse story. This would mean that Jodi once again lied on the stand. So the defense is in a bad situation….
Agreed Juanfan. I’ve always given JA far less credit than she deserves when it comes to creating an alibi. My personal opinion is that she kept the gas/car rental receipts, because she needed them to claim on her income tax as a business expense.
She was involved in PPL, and I believe they are ‘sales reps’, so she could claim her car rental, gas, etc., as a deduction against her income. I’ve seen murderers get caught for things a lot more stupid than that. One woman got caught after she was observed on video buying a plant that was delivered to a mans front porch, as a lure to get him outside. When he stepped outside he was shot by someone with a high-powered rifle. She was a suspect in the homicide, and had gone to great lengths to cover her tracks. She wore a disguise, carefully avoided the security cameras, and covered her hands so she left no fingerprints on the flowerpots. You know how they caught her? She used her frequent buyer card at the cash register, to save .38 cents!!
JA may think she’s got the IQ of Einstein, but when it comes to planning a crime, she’s just not that smart. Many first time murderers spend a LOT of time planning the crime, but not so much time on planning the cleanup and getting away with it. They don’t consider the different possibilities. I’m sure she didn’t expect Travis to fight so hard. She probably thought that she’d kill him in the shower, all nice and neat, just like in the Psycho scene. Then all the blood would go nicely down the drain, she could tidy up, and she could just leave. She didn’t count on the ferocious fight that he put up, and how the murder scene would be so bloody and chaotic. I’m sure her brain was ‘scrambled’ as she likes to say, when she realised how everything had gone south fast. I think that’s why the ‘cleanup’ was such a mess. She had a very short time to get out of there before the roommates were expected home, and I imagine her frenzied attempt to clean up was hampered by the time frame. That’s why she just threw water on the walls in the hallway, dragged him back to the shower and rinsed his body off, made some attempt to clean up the blood, but it was all too much.
She continues to show a lack of foresight regarding her defense. She thinks she’s fooling people in the courtroom, but then shoots herself in the foot when she gives interviews, tweets insults about JM, giving NG the finger on TV and then posting about it, selling her plagiarized artwork, and ridiculous “Survivor” t-shirts. I could go on. I just hope she rots in hell.
I know I was thinking the same Rose. Even if the mom fails, she gets dp, which she may get anyway.
In an article I read this weekend it said that JA photoshopped ALL her photos. Since all tech except for the TV is new to me, maybe everyone does that. She was attractive enough, bought herself some tah-tahs, and still felt the need to enhance her photos. At the trial you can see her eye-teeth (cuspids is the correct name I think) are long and pointy… mine are, too. But, in all her photos, she has perfect teeth. Go figure!
I noticed that JA had a very pretty smile in all her photos too, peachteachr. It seems her smile looks quite different now, not nearly as attractive. (maybe it’s because we all know how evil she is now) My daughter is a graphic designer working for a national children’s magazine. She says using photoshop is very common to “doctor” anything from crooked teeth and braces to blemishes and scars. During her 18 days on the stand, JA was always complaining about not having any money, and trying to find ways to be more thrifty.(hence, the gas cans!) How in the heck could she afford to get herself those nice new tah-tahs? (We certainly had an eyeful of those) Just one tah would have cost about $3,000 – the same price as getting braces for her teeth! Oh well, priorities, I guess!
Bobbi – remember the testimony – she was jealous of her former boy-friend’s ex-wife’s implants… my guess is she got Darryl to buy them for her. I could only see thumbnails of the naked photo and they looked like my dog’s large rubber chew balls – while she was laying down !! – Ukkk ! – I wouldn’t get that done (isn’t gravity grand ?) BUT I know I could only just scramble enough $$ for one… LOLOL ! Ooo – Hey baby… nice tah ___! 🙂
Large rubber chew balls is a great description for her tah-tahs. Wonder if they squeak when squeezed! Ta-Ta
@ Bobbi….It was stated early on (may have been Darryl Brewer, not sure)…that the boob job was $300.00. Yeah I know, maybe she traded out the remaining costs??? That’s the cheapest I have ever heard!
I don’t think you can even get an appointment to see a plastic surgeon for $300! She probably did trade out the remaining costs – don’t forget, she is a 3 hole wonder!! Ick!!
Wow! $300.00? I had a “midwife” room mate, who BRAGGED about how she took the Rep’s sample boobs, that everyone had played with/squeezed” and got them for free! HOW absolutely disgusting.
Not to mention that mani-pedi that she just HAD to have on her way out to Mesa! And Starbucks is no cheap habit either. . . The cents just don’t add up in her “thrifty” business which is really more like monkey business.
Hey, I was watching a rerun of “Deadly Women” on Investigation Discovery tonight, and JuanM was on there talking about the Wendy Adrianno (sp?) case. Let’s hope he has the same result with JA as he did prosecuting Wendy, and maybe they can be neighbors on death row!
What do you think Jodi will say to the jury tomorrow?
I think it could go something like this:
“I’m very very sorry that Travis forced me to kill him but he gave me no choice. It breaks my heart that he did that–that Travis forced me to kill him. I have deep remorse for Travis that he made me slash and shoot him.”