The Dodo Bird Verdict is a controversial phenomenon in psychology which states that all psychotherapies, regardless of their specific components, produce equivalent outcomes. The term originates from Lewis Carroll’s novel Alice’s Adventures in Juanderland, but the verdict originated from the work of Saul Rosenzweig in the 1930s.
Rosenzweig borrowed the phrase from Lewis Carroll’s Alice’s Adventures in Juanderland (1865), wherein a number of characters become wet and in order to dry themselves, the Dodo Bird decided to issue a competition: Everyone was to run around the lake until they were dry. Nobody cared to measure how far each person had run, nor how long. When they asked the Dodo who had won, he thought long and hard and then said “Everybody has won and all must have prizes.” In the case of psychotherapies, the Dodo Bird Verdict maintains that all therapies are winners; they all produce equivalent outcomes.
Hey TT, can you post the link to the blog about the jurors so we can read up again on which alternates were not picked to serve? I probably can find it if I check out your archives, but I thought others might also like the link. Thanks. Great job with blogging this trial! Truly a treat (and, come June, I’m looking forward to Jodi sitting on death row and you blogging about Big Brother again).
Amen. I know I said as much before but look at the look JW has on her face when Juan is finishing his finale. It reminded me of a Steely Dan lyric in that she seemed to be “on the other side of no tomorrow.” I also want to say how cool it was to be a part of the trial with all a Younz. TT folk are smart, quick, ready to battle but also cool and supportive. I don’t know much about Reality TV but I know I will miss thee when trial is over which I agree will be much sooner then later.
Hi, Adam! Lovely post yet again… and “on the other side of tomorrow” a perfect connect. May i ride your coattails, here, & just say, thank you all for letting me share. What a crew – all Adam’s adjectives times two! And never be afraid of your word play if it’s grounded in good will. Feels right to have others to watch &, now, wait with & to share a grin as we measure the gravity. High hopes in our justice system, best wishes to the Alexander Family and THREE CHEERS for TT, fearless leader!!!
How perfect for ME to end with a typo – “on the other side of NOOOOOO tomorrow.”(You should have proofread, Jane, Gosh!)
OK well I can always view T’s asswhuppin of whoever this Sherry skell be and you are very kind, Jane. TT is right we will have penalty phases as well and I hear tell of good trial comin in October and…..
Onward
Besides. I am locking the doors and not letting you guys out when this is over. Oh no, I’ve said to much…
I just thought I better slip away in the event of a verdict (either way) that launches me into fits of unrestrained punning & name-calling. Because I feel an extreme response, waiting in the wings. Don’t want to reveal my true colours via either hyper-congratulatory glee or depths of despair.
But, how cowardly of me. So, I’m all in. “Onward,” as Adam says!
Thanks for asking for the juror descriptions again and posting them TT I tried to look for them last night but I had HD eyes by then and couldn’t see straight.
So, now the waiting begins. I hope we all in our own personal way send good wishes and prayers for the Alexanders and even the Arias family. Each one lost a member of their family.
Jury Descriptions: Which two of the women were selected? Sorry, I fell asleep and am about to go out again….zzzzzz
Don’t know. Just know that jurors 10, 15 and 17 were drawn as alternates (two women and one older man).
I updated it. http://s17948.p858.sites.pressdns.com/2013/04/13/jodi-arias-trial-juror-descriptions/
Thanks!!
I say we have a verdict Monday.
I agree. I will put my bet (dibs!!) on between 1:45 and 2:05 pm on Monday.
I say Monday 4 pm AZ time………………..i PRAY first degree……………cannot believe it could be anything BUT this…………………..unlike C Anthony, we have some degree of knowledge re: what some jurors think due to questions they asked.
And just so my bet is clear, I mean pacific standard time as I am a left (I mean west) coaster!
I have a feeling you’re right…
Hopefully, great minds are thinking alike. My prediction – immediately after lunch (between 1:00 – 2:00 PST).
on hln last night i learned thr garage code for Travis house..0187. The code for homicide in ca. is 187 not on topic but thought it interesting. Does it seem like hln is trying to cause a mistrial? They have a party atmosphere at the mesa courthouse. I think guilty 1st degree verdict by aft break on monday…cross my fingers
Hln isnt doing anything different than any other new source so i would say no.
And…..the trial is in Phoenix, not Mesa.
My verdict guess is Tuesday.
Don’t leave us too soon, Adam! We still have penalty phases (two I think). By then you may take a liking for one of the housewives shows!
eve its more fun to type mesa. And as a bonus gives you something to nit pick
My attorney is on HLN right now. She’ll be on After dark until like 2 am. She’s the pretty blond in the blue dress.
listening to the after dark juries im kinda worried for finding 1st degree. So many people hung up on Travis calling her names as abuse. Your lawyer is pretty bright she has been on hln shows before.
Hi all ! Been following the trial and reading this excellent blog for quite some time, never posted before. The humour and the wit is priceless. I too, predict an early verdict though hesitant to say exactly when. Two years ago, I too was a juror in a murder trial (in Canada) and when your hear the talking heads saying you don’t know what is going through a jury’s mind, they are 100 percent correct on that, In my case, it had very little to do with the evidence presented. What eventually emerged were people’s own fears and insecurities about having to put a young person away for life….some just could not fathom that while thinking about their own sons, nephews or grandsons. Therefore, it took more than a couple of days of careful reasoning if you will, to not only draw out what was holding these jurors back, but to help them overcome that particular emotion. I guess we were fortunate enough to have patience and the skill to draw the person’s thoughts out, it wasn’t easy. Sometimes if there is a hold out even though evidence and common sense tells you otherwise, it is for reasons other than believing the defense side of the story.
I have to say that I’m absolutely astounded that the jury was not sequestered for the deliberations. We certainly were, for our own protection as well. Can someone here explain that to me in terms that make sense why they were NOT sequestered? I just don’t buy the cost factor.
(Gotta say, TT, The Dodo Verdict might apply every which was in our context:
the verdict at hand &, in the name of justice, two sides having done what needed to be done & deserving that recognition;
a spoof on certain psychologists in this case & the real possibility that all therapies are losers, not winners…
but I’m thinking that you’re the Wise Dodo and your blog, the winningest therapy, where equal outcomes are achieved by a miraculous range of posters.
Okay, so, I fell down the rabbit hole of your allegory?)
I’m glad to hear I’m not the only one up watching HLN!! And I’m thrilled that Juan laid out exactly what I think happened in Travis’ bathroom as his theory of the case for the jury. I think Jodi could have gotten off if she had used a heat of passion defense instead of a battered woman defense-but it’s too late for her claim that now. Hope the jury listened to Juan when he said to start at the top charge and work down instead of the other way around!
Forgive me if this already came up, but I was wondering if anyone else tied Nurmi’s comments about haircuts, sexual orientation to the dismissal of juror #5? I think that is what she said to the other jurors that got her booted. Thoughts?
Nah, he was clearly trying to say that the jury didn’t like LaViolette because she had a bad haircut and that is why they did not take her testimony seriously. #5 has never said she was dismissed for her hair. That would be ridiculous. OHHHHH sorry I am slow. Maybe Juror# did crack a joke about Laviolette’s haircut! I bet you are right!
No, I think that JM responses were directly toward KN comment on “this is not about bad haircut, someone’s (sexual) orientation or ??what was that 3rd thing??” The BAD HAIRCUT line from juror cynical PTSD question….but, witty as ever, Juan took that rebuttal moment to connect “bad haircut” to Nurmi…….joke/cut/criticize Nurmi’s hair.
Oh sshit, just remembered the third thing…..Snow White…………….by far the most entertaining cross-examination in history!!!
and maybe on the sexual orientatin, that is what got juror #5 the boot…..as in she call ALV something like “muff-diver”??
DEAD woman walking!
~ It hasn’t been till last few years I’ve considered the death penalty as a useful punishment for society. My views unfortunately have changed with societies acceptance of “out-in-the-open sex” & “unimaginable violence.” I’ve never been a prude – just – so much for peace, love & dove.
~ People seem so much more brutal to one another OR maybe we just hear & see more of it now.
~ Life in prison would be NO picnic but even animals adapt to their new environments. To me, wishing for revenge / taking life – well that’s another thing. Hate begets violence. ~ Sadly, I do believe this case may warrant the death penalty. I just want to deprive Jodi of ANY JOYS for the rest of her life, however small or large.
~ Depriving the things we love works – like Pavlov’s Dog. It worked for me as a kid. Probably, someone should have helped Jodi, if she was a disturbed child or at least tried to intervene when they noticed pathological problems.
~ BUT she grew up & out into the world, making choices like the rest of us… and the rest of us still choose to be a peaceful, private people who do NOT condone murder & brutal killing as an acceptable part of our lives, no matter “who” or “what” entities tell us otherwise. So I hope our hearts beat for all that is lost and pray for all that is healed.
J.R. Tolkein / Fellowship of the Ring
Frodo – “It’s a pity Bilbo didn’t kill Golum when he had the chance”
Gandalf – “Pity ?” – “It was pity that stayed Bilbo’s hand.”
“Many who live deserve death, and some that die deserve life – Can you give it to them ?” “Do not be so quick to deal
out death and judgment.” “For Even the very wisest can
not see all ends.”
Frodo – “I wish the ring had never come to me. I wish none of this
had happened”
Gandalf – “So do all – who live to see such times, but that is not for
them to decide.” “All we have to decide is what to do with
the time that is given to us.” ~ ☮
Nice, great insight.
Thoughtful & thought-provoking. Thank you, JustUsForAll.
Thank you Jane and Mari Joram. ~ The reality sets in after the details are wagered. But we’re all invested.
I think JM missed an opportunity to counter Nurmi’s argument against premeditation. Nurmi kept repeating that if it was premediation JA didn’t plan it very well. JM should have countered that the plan was flawless, it the the execution that was lacking. Had TA died with the initial stab wound in the shower, all the chaos the ensued would would have been avoided and she would have not left her DNA at the scene. After all, on TV when someone is stabbed they die immediately.
As far as the issue of not killing TA while he slept or had his backed turned to her in the shower he could have used the anology of a cat toying with a mouse before killing it. Why? Sadistic pleasure
And the pictures in the camera. Who in the world knows that once you delete a picture in a digital camera there is still a record of it? Not many of us I would guess including JA.
I think I used that cat and mouse reference in another blog. You know what they say about great minds. 🙂 Also it always cracked me up when they would say JA was a budding professional photographer. Right. That’s why she only held waitressing jobs.
Jodi may or may not have been a professional photographer. I’m sure she preferred working in restaurants and bars to have a greater exposure to men to bring into her weird little web.
She was hungry for money, sex, marriage and a white picket fence.
Yep and NAUSEATING were her comments at the beginning of her 48 hours or whatever that news show she was on where she was introduced as a photographer and then she says something like: “I am used to being on the other side of the camera but sometimes you have to get out of your comfort zone…….blahblahblah” I am astounded at all of the photos she has of herself………….like TONS!!!!!! And references about that with Travis (and she IS photogenic and sure knows it)……but what a narcissist!!!!!!!!
Do you recall hearing why Chris and Sky Hughes threw jodi out of their home. Was it for something other than her lurking around their bedroom door when they were talking to Travis.
I agree and I wish he woulda pointed out the simple fact that there is no such thing as a perfect murder. Every murder has some evidence to uncover. If premeditation meant you execute it perfectly and with no errors in judgement, no one would ever stand trial, now would they?
The jurors have to know, after the Casey Anthony trial, that many are watching. I bet they are surprised when they see how BIG this trial became. I’m guessing the verdict will be either late Monday or early Tuesday. JM got a guilty verdict after 15 minutes in one trial. On the murder trial that I served on, the first thing we did in the jury room was a vote of guilty/not guilty just to see where we were. Just one jury and one trial I am speaking about. They are their own bosses now. Prayers for wisdom and justice and peace for them all.
yeah anything less than the death penalty will be SO hard on jodi. She will get a prison job and a prison girlfriend nobody will mess with her cuz we ALL know she gets stabby when irritated. She will draw and sing and be the BIGSHOT IN THE YARD CUZ SHE BEAT DEATH!! She WILL have more freedom in PRISON than she has in JAIL!! Even Tanisha says that it wont matter if death takes 20 years to implement. Thats 20 years of jodi living with just jodi..thats punishment
Are the prisoners provided with paper and pencils while on death row. Or is there some sort of day room provided for that purpose. I know I sound ignorant, but, I just don’t know. I understand Jodi was busted for hiding pencils/pens in her current cell – which was a no no.
As some of you probably said already…a life sentence in a small cell, steel bed, 1/4″ mattress, no window, no roommate to play with, no TV or music or pencils and paper should be the only option to the death penalty.
That option, however, would be far too good for her. Travis had no option!
I don’t think we’ll see a verdict until maybe Wed. The jury has shitloads to muddle through. What’s another two days in a trial that took four months out of their lives?
I dont know the reason but arizona hasnt sequestered a jury in over 80 years jinkasaurus said the other night also that the old courthouse had dormitories for the deliberating juries with cots and restroooms so no outside influences
I heard that and it blows my mind. In that case, they’re about 80 years late revisiting that issue. We were not only exited the courtroom via one of a few “secret” tunnels, we were individually escorted by armed guards to our vehicles until we were safely ensconced in there. Regardless of the verdict, in these high profile cases, the juror’s safety is at risk too.
Armed guards in Canookia? Were they on horseback? Sorry… I love poking fun at my Canookian friends. I do it with love. And because they are just so farking nice. 🙂
Oh no! Could it be? Someone says we Canucks are nice? How bout that eh? LOL!
Sorry to disappoint, just regular armed guards, the horsebacks are all westward.
I forgot to mention that a non sequestered jury would have been an immediate grounds for appeal. I know what everyone says about not having any contact with the media, or talking to family, friends etc. I honestly believe during testimony, we all did the utmost to follow the instructions to the letter. The problem was with friends during the testimony phase. Yes, they too knew the rules, but couldn’t help slipping up with a just a lil every now and then. Course, we Canucks aren’t that nice that we couldn’t admonish them ourselves! Point being, it’s inevitable that small things come up now and then, it’s just reality. That’s why it’s uber important to have a sequestered jury.
heh. I know y’all get sick of hearing that. Perhaps y’all aren’t THAT nice, it’s just when compared to your rude, uncouth neighbors to the south, that we make you look good. 🙂
Hey, easy now on us out West. We have to have Mounted to quell hockey riots? (Said ever so politely and inflected up at the end to disguise statement as a question.)
HAh, Steve, I love that you say Jinkasarus. The first time I was aware of her was walking into the TV room and hearing Nancy Grace in a fit of pique yelling, “and now live to Jinkasaurus.” I was like Whats a Jinkasaurus some Sesame Street Puppet creature. Anyway was finally watching the whole end presentation and was just so unmoved by the NURM and also so angry that they ripped up Trav the way they did. Although I also agree with some of the HLN folk that Nurmi seemed not so into defending his client so much.
i dont understand how keeping the jurors away from their families for over 4months would help. That is what gave us the fiasco in florida..a sequestered jury gave up TWO holidays there and was packed to go home the 2nd day of deliberations so knew 1st night their choice..anything that lets us leave..thats justice
I think you may have misunderstood me. I wasn’t suggesting the jurors be away from their families for four months. The testimonial phase is one thing, a deliberation is another entirely different matter. Different on so many levels that I believe I touched on in prior posts.
Im ready for a Monday evening Verdict!
I learned Jinkasaurus here, the day TT got HER dinosaur name
smitsa-most jails let inmates use pen inserts but i think jodi lost those due to writing Travis on her jailhouse undies. Pencil washes out. Wendi andrianos jury deliberated 2 1/2 hrs for guilt. 4 hours to determine death eligible and 9 hours to determine her defense did not present enuf evidence for leniency to reach the death sentence.
lol.. thanks steve.
Oh wow, 4.5 hrs?! So, you’re thinking this case could be the same? Well, I didn’t and don’t know anything about the Wendi Andrianos case.
However, in this case Steve, I’m thinking this jury will be out until Wednesday. I only say Wednesday b/c there is a reason they wanted a predominately male jury. And, I am thinking as of right now, there’s at least two guys that don’t want to convict her of anything. So, the others will have to discuss the mountain of evidence with them to convenience them of her guilt, thereby delaying the verdict until Wednesday.
I don’t care when they come back or what the totals or tally will be, as long as the verdict is reflective of the crime. All of this manslaughter & murder two stuff will be an injustice and would not speak to the nature of the crime.
Sunday Morning to All. So how’s everyone’s JA trial addiction today ? I think the Judge charged the jury to start Monday so the rest of us could detox. ~ Ha Ha ! Today I WILL cut the grass ! ~ I’m thinking the jury will go quickly only IF there is 1 or 2 willing to hang up deliberations – Jury instructions & charges could get confusing (D hopes) since Defense decided to change out Murder2 for (Rrrr) Manslaugher. The only part of that of they got right was the “slaughter” part. ~ My $$ is on # 7 (paul rudd guy) ~ Even “annoying” Nancy G. reported:
(@ the end of the closing) #7 [He] must be in alot of pain because he was squirming all over and cracking his neck alot… sweating under the intense heat of Medusa’s ink black, empty eyes. (I said the sweating /Medusa part ) So when
I re-watched both days – JA was definately eye”balling” someone @ the end of jury’s seats. ~ I also was surprised that Felony M1 has a check-off for how many WANT the death penalty & how many DONT. ~ So they don’t have to be unanimous for DP !! – Just M1 Felony ? ~ So Question: > Does the Judge get to charge the DP – if they’re split on DP ? Anyone know if court made JA’s charges public & if there’s a link ? (God, I miss Florida’s sunshine laws…)
So
Per Travis’ family ~ Today is the day to think & pray about Travis. I think I will send him thoughts of air, light, springtime and the smell of fresh cut grass.
My understanding is that if she gets murder 1st degree then they’ll have another part of the trial called “death penalty phase”. Might last another week. Prosecution argues for death and her lawyer argues for LWOP. Jury decides her fate not judge.
Jodi definitely seemed to be looking desperately at the jury when they left, even moving around JW to be able to keep her eyes on them. I hope this jury will speak to the media after the trial, unlike the Casey Anthony jury. I would even like to hear from the dismissed jurors, and the alternates.
I saw that, cammierari, and watched it, again, on youtube! A strange, eerie, animalistic moment. She’s had one or two, but this one was striking.
Also, there were several moments during closing, when she, alone, at the defense table seemed riveted to Juan’s telling of the crime – moments in which she appeared supremely hyper-vigilant (again, feral catlike) and her eyes were glued to Juan then glance to her counsel (heads down, unavailable to her) and a look would flush across her face as if to say, where is everyone, isn’t anyone going to stop this thing. That time had run out, that the close was, indeed, NOW, only dawned on her in the moment.
There’s another, even more striking moment, yet to come?
I noticed her moving around trying to get a better look at the jury, and just trying to have eye contact with them in general. Even though I didn’t see any sort of seductress moves, I did notice a little moment where she seemed to be in prayer. Praying is what she should have been doing before she brutally murdered him!
Yes, Patricia, I saw that, too, after they “stood for the jury.” Am I exaggerating to say that she appeared, even, to crane her neck? She truly did move around JW to get a last chance at eye contact. A pathetic human moment.
(Wonder if any who were there noticed which jury members, if any, made a point of getting a last look at or making last eye contact w/ her?)
The staring that Jodi was doing on the jury were her silent incantations, projecting her thoughts to influence the person she is staring at. Notice her demeaner – she is concentrating hard. Jodi stared really hard on JM. She believes in the black arts and dabbles in anything that will help her. She was peeking through her fingers at the death photos of Travis. Normal people will not want to see such things of loved ones, or anyone for that matter. She must never be free.
Yvonne I agree. I think she really does believe in mumbo jumbo, like the Secret, and probably thinks she is smart and powerful enough to cast her intentions and thoughts at others. She thinks she is a master at acting innocent and manipulation.
Right on, Yvonne!!
Jane, I am hoping she has another animalistic moment when the verdict is read…I picture her completely breaking down, just like the British nanny, Louise Woodward did so many years ago when SHE was found guilty of 2nd degree murder. She also lied on the stand, had moments of inappropriate smiling, and was SHOCKED when the verdict came back guilty.
You bring me back, cam… the Louise Woodward moment! Kerrr-ice-t!!
On the topic of final expressions, I just learned (on 1st day of closing arguments) that my 85-year-old mother (the feisty bugger, visiting my sister in Oregon from her home in Colorado) – who is retired public health and strictly PBS, BBC, university press, amnesty international, etc & only ventures into mainstream broadcasting to peak at anti-Palin satire – anywaaaaaaay, my 85-yr-old mother turned to my sister and said, “Can’t wait to see Jodi’s expression when the verdict comes down.”
You gotta know her, I suppose, to appreciate how astonishing a moment this was, let alone the fact that she even knows the Arias Trial exists. Goes to show, we’re all watching. This verdict has meaning across the board. (Next thing I’ll hear is that Ol’ Maw is wearing an Obi-Juan t-shirt & condones capital punishment in this case. Then we’ll know for sure that hell has frozen over.)
The C.A. jury didn’t want to talk b/c they made a cowardly decision. They were in trial to long and didn’t want to take additional time to go over all the evidence. All they wanted to do was get the hell out.
Saying the case wasn’t proven. If they had read their instructions, they would have learned even circumstantial evidence is evidence. The problem with that jury was: many of them were lazy, it appears most lacked the cognitive prerequisites needed to put the case together and the rest were just sheep.
No, what they wanted was a video of her committing the crime. So much money was wasted on those idiots.
I hope this jury doesn’t join the fraternity of idiot juries…..
have any of those jurors (from CA’s trial) ever explained themselves??
I am painting and sending prayers from my end of the states…………later, my Cinco de Mayo toast will be to JUSTICE
I’m wondering if the men on the jury ( or just 1) will hesitate giving a woman the DP. I think she deserves it, but not sure the jury will go that way.
Hopefully not. I’m sure that was one of the primary questions asked when they went through the “death-qualification process prior to being selected. I’ve read – In order to be “death-qualified” to serve on a capital jury, a person must be willing to consider all of the sentencing options – usually death and life imprisonment without parole. If their opinions would prevent them from considering any of the sentencing options, then they are not “death-qualified” and are stricken from serving on the jury. So, if they have such feelings about sentencing a woman to death… they shouldn’t say so.
During the last few days of the trial, Jodi seemed to be massaging her boobs, flipping her hair, licking her lips and staring at someone in the jury box. With that said, you are right, she may have pulled one or some of the guys and/or women into her web.
I felt that both judge and JM did EXCELLANT jobs explaining to the jury what their legal obligations are…………..they are supposed to follow the legal guidline, nauseous at the thought of DP or not
You, docwall, are absolutely correct. They couldn’t have done a better job!! However, there are those who simply choose not to do what’s right. Let’s hope the majority of the jurors are super intelligent and have a lot of common sense – and they will win over the meek or weak or whatever they are…lol.
I think people will say anything just to get selected – especially if they have nothing particularly interesting going on in the lives and have some time on their hands. Why not sit on a jury? Then there are those that have nothing going on – and could easily sentenced someone to death – but don’t wish to invest time sitting on a jury for some nut job.
Regardless, some former jurors of death penalty trials have stated the emotions involved in sentencing someone to death. I’m not saying it should be an easy decision. But, they are certainly wasting everyone’s time if they are: of a certain mind-set, temperamental, emotional, easily swayed, have religious concerns, etc.
It’s not a decision to be made lightly but if the facts are clearly there and it’s more probable than improbable, then that should make the decision a easy one.
The only person I would have a problem sentencing to death would been a teen. All others are fair game. I wouldn’t care if they were: female or male, cute or ugly, skinny or fat, rich or poor. If the facts are there, then the punishment must fit the crime.
Nurmi told a lie to the jury in his closing arguments when he said that the returned gas can was returned to a different Walmart. That statement is completely contrary to JA’s testimony on cross examination when JM got her to commit to the position that she returned it to the same Walmart she purchased it from. Not only does JA lie to the jury, so do her attorneys. The jury would have to completely ignore this to find her guily of anything less than M1.
He was truly grasping at straws or just didn’t care. I believe the latter. As someone said before, he was throwing everything he had against the wall. To me, he was just lobbing the s…, and didn’t even care if it made it half way. He had that WT. attitude, like “who cares, we’ve already lost this case.”
Agree, smitsa! Blew my mind that he contradicted testimony SO blatantly on this point. Would think he’d want to evade (or de-emphasize rather than embolden)) the gas can entirely in final moment. But, this particular lie hangs there, tolling like a bell.
Wouldn’t the fact that he’d so blatantly lie in closing underscore to the jury not only his defendant’s guilt, but also the high probability that he knowingly put one deceptive witness after another on the stand from Day 1? I can see how, in dire straights, defence might “throw everything at the wall,” But Nurmi’s closing, IMO – ill-chosen remarks & omissions considered together – expressed nothing so much as the fact he already has one foot out the door. Crossed my mind as I re-watched closing, that he (in a somewhat ironic way) conceded pre-meditation & wants Arias to rot. I would have expected a more artful closing (a better composition), for both his & his client’s sake.
Or, this may be one of his last ditch efforts to save Jodi from the dp. If all else fails, an ineffective attorney would surely be used as a reason for an appeal request. I mean, to out right say, “I don’t like Jodi, nine out of 10 days”, Is he stupid, or was it purposeful.
Did anyone see the looks on JW’s face when Nurmi was presenting his closing? It was like, damn, you just made all my work go down the tubes. What the foot are you doing?
O, the 9 out of 10 days remark…! Sheesh! Unless Nurmi’s a savant, when it comes to manipulating jury sympathies, & I’m too know-nothing to pick up on it, I’m prepared to say he’s a downright fool. The contrast between the tone in which he delivered the remark and Jodi’s puerile reaction to it was stunning. Should underscore to jury that the nutbar has absolutely zero ability to correctly interpret others’ responses to her. Nurmi came across deadly serious in that moment. Her INSTANT interpretation was O how cute, precious, playful… I’m loved! CRYSTAL CLEAR – in that precise moment – that Arias hears what she wants to hear and acts in diabolical opposition to the intended meanings of others. Not a leap to see how, when Travis says STOP, GO AWAY, IT’S TOO MUCH, I CAN’T DEAL WITH IT, I NEED OUT, Jodi would, instead, pursue (w/ increased pathological cunning.)
Perhaps, Nurmi thought Jodi would handle this courtroom moment stone- if not shame-faced. Didn’t anticipate she’d respond with a spreading grin, so utterly discordant with the moment, that it flawlessly captured her psychopathology. (IMO.)
Right on the money, Jane!!
Very well said, Jane. The contrast of what Nurmi meant and what JA perceived was very telling. Pray the jury recognizes this personality trait — certainly would tell them much about her relationship and misreads of Travis. She was nothing more than a booty call and no one can blame anyone but JA. Oh goodness, since the beginning of time this remains the same. You don’t want to be used, don’t allow it.
Praying, Pur & Sharon…….!! About the verdict TO BE SURE, but also that the young men & women, foot loose & fancy free upon the earth – still gauging their personalities, reconciling their strengths & weaknesses, healing inevitable hardships & peculiarities in upbringing, building their adult lives – will see in no uncertain terms that do diligence must be done & instincts immediately heeded when it comes to sexual expression, booty calls and friends with benefits.
I’m just sayin’ (in way too long a sentence.)
Oh wait a minute now. Let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water. Ain’t nothing wrong with a good ole booty call, or a Friend with Benefits…..
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Tamara Tattles
I watched the segment again, when Nurmi made the “I Don’t Like Jodi” statement. Jodi’s laugh seemed rehearsed. It seemed like a fake laugh on cue.
I thought the same thing SMITSA, like if it supposed to be a cute thing like when a big brother says they dnt like their sister all the time . I didnt watch the whole thing did Juan object to that statement ?
OF COURSE NOT, TT!! I’m an advocate! But, all the more reason, all the more reason… smiley face (that I don’t know how to do.)
smitsa, this crossed my mind. Could well have been. But didn’t the spreading aspect of the grin seem rather too spontaneous for Arias? Who knows? You could so right.
Tori,.I’m not sure. But, I just erased all my recordings…..I got dinged by mi esposo for using all the memory on the DVR. I told him the trial was over on Friday and the jurors went into deliberation. He was so happy to have his wife back. But, then I sneaked and watched some of it again today. When he realized it, he nearly fell out laughing – then told me I was addicted. Or course I already knew that.
I’m sure I’m not alone.
Smitsa! Lmaoo. NOO! you are so not alone ! Me and my mom are so addicted to it. My dad thinks we are craaaazzzzy! He keeps asking when does jury uhh uhhhh , and we’re like Deliberate!!!! lmao. Yeah its amazing how many people are addicted to this trial.
Too funny, Smitsa & Tori. See, with my Lovely Scotsman, I’ve tried so hard to frame the whole thing in terms of its social & justice system significance at this specific juncture in the history of western civilization and…. No dice!! “You’re obsessed, darlin’.'” HOWEVER, please note that during our Sunday run, he was ALL ABOUT the Jodi Arrrias questions (he calls it The Jodi Arias (as if a thing, rather than person), and, seriously, you must roll the “r” to truly appreciate!) Hilarious!
Yep, and I don’t think that’s the only time during his closing that he misrepresented what Jodi told the jury!
Could his lies get her a better appeal……ie poor representation? I should think that attny lies to attempt to help client maybe not (like Baez accusations against George and Lee Anthony and sexual abuse)……I DO think that he should be fined for each and every one of those lies!
Baez’s lies were at least consistent with his client’s lies! Nurmi is just making stuff up-stuff that is contrary to what his own client said! The least he should do is tell the SAME story as his client to the jury. To me, it must shows how made up the entire defense is.
EXACTLY!!!
Nurmi also had the gunshot wound on the wrong side of TA’s face, pointed w/ his finger to left instead of right. I don’t think he was lying re: gas cans so much as just sloppy on the facts. Never forget K Nurmi wanted off of this case minimally 3 times. 2 times while in Public Defender’s office, he the left to open private practice (thinking NOW they will let me off) – Jodi threatened suicide, judge wouldn’t release him but paid him more to compensate. He detests Jodi -10 out of 10 days and this is an attorney who specialized in defending those charged w/ sex acts against children. She has appeal grounds from here til tomorrow over her counsel. But I won’t say mark my words – LOL.
So, as others have suggested, did Nurmi perceive (rightly?) that the best he could do for his client in closing was to set up ample grounds for appeal on basis of ineffective counsel? Is this a common strategy, one right there on the menu (so to speak)? I’m just trying to figure whether this was Nurmi’s duty, Nurmi’s sloppiness, Nurmi’s fatigue, Nurmi brilliance… what?
I think Nurmi using the Travis as a pedophile and sexual deviant defense was especially disgusting. He defends sex offenders for a living, yet when it suits him he tries to peg an adult man and woman’s consenting relations as deviant enough to defend slaughter? Please!
Totally AGREE Bob. The jury knows that they were lied to by Jodi/Nurmi! Does Nurmi think they are going to forget that day of her testimony, they take notes EVERYDAY! If not all of them then most of them have her statement noted in their notes!
I pray you are correct, but i do not have the total faith in jurors all paying attention to details…….i regret that i have some personal feelings about what i would call “incompetency” on many levels in our society (medical, political, governmental, etc)… SO, we all likely picked up on Jodi’s lies on the stand and how they go to premeditation…as we are trial-watchers and have emotional investiment in this for whatever reasons….the jurors pick and choose also what they think or hone in on or find of interest?? I am sorry that the #5 and #8 are gone for, based on TT’s descriptions (if you have not followed her link to juror descriptions, by all means do for it is interesting and enlightening….but i digress)…anyway, I pray for note-takers to have such important info, to realize the importance. (remember the Casey trial where jury seemed to not “get it” that, whatever the cause of death, it was not normal?? I mean, something happened with that jury that no one seemed to understand the ME’s discussion of “NO child or person is found dead, decomposing, duct taped face without it being murder—–or at least foul play and covered up accident if one really has to think this way.)
What happens in cases like Casey Anthony or OJ is “jury nullification” where they throw out the evidence to reach a consensus based on their own strong like or dislike for a Prosecutor, or victim.
In Casey Anthony’s case, the State’s case had holes, beginning with how Baez threw a curve ball in Opening Statements, about George finding Caylee dead in the swimming pool, and how scared Casey was of him due to abuse. Instead of adjusting their own case, the State went ahead trying the case, as if, there was no acknowlegment by the defendant of what happened to Caylee… They had too much arrogance, and felt the jury would find their theory laughable.
In this case, Martinez was brilliant, and left no stone unturned. While I was disappointed that some things didn’t make it before this jury, that wasn’t his fault, but, the judge’s decision to exclude prejudicial exhibits.
Now, there could be a stealth juror who could hang this jury up, to create a mistrial. or a compromise verdict. There could be a runaway jury where a charismatic juror, or jurors persuade the others to go in a renegade way to reject the State. That’s not nullification but subterfuge and juror terrorism. That means people fooled their way through voir dire to meet a personal agenda of their own.
It is scary. When you ask yourself would you give up months of your life to sit on a jury, most would say they wouldn’t or couldn’t. What kind of people willingly abide by this responsibility for months, often without compensation from work, and how many jobs let people take four months off? So, what are the qualities of these people who wind up on juries like these? Are they really representative of reasonable people, or are they kind of misfits, themselves? I don’t mean to be disrespectful, but, you have to fear things like this.
Such a good read, Michelle. Strong, applicable thinking… (I’m learning so much from the quality of thought, here.)
Michele, I believe they are the epitome of good citizens who believe in justice – at least in this case. IMO, they may be well established financially, and/or work with or for employers who support them in this task. I know, the employers don’t have a choice (because of the summons) – unless the juror is a police officer or in a profession or position of which they are desperately.
Many jurors, even after reporting and sitting through much of a trial – tend to wiggle their way out of remaining until the end. This group has held strong all the way through (so it seems).
I believe “they want justice” for Travis and have the evidence to send Snow White where she belongs.
I just read this interesting take on the verdict from criminal defense attorney Mark Geragos, he points out that although jurors submitted during the trial over 100 questions grilling Arias on her claims that she couldn’t remember anything after she shot Alexander, and why she didn’t call the police, they referred to her by HER FIRST NAME. “That is significant,” he says. “The jurors didn’t call her defendant or Ms. Arias – they were calling her Jodi. I think there will be some people arguing for her that life is a worse fate than death”. I had not noticed that – we will see if this very experienced jury watcher is right, I have to agree with him though.
He’d know. I certainly wouldn’t. But, I sometimes found myself at a loss at what to call her &, too often, employing “Jodi.” I hate that I’ve done it. I should have stuck w/ Arias. The name “Jodi” (the sound itself) conveys a sprightly, playful, girlishness (a pre-adolescence even) which I think trivializes, detracts from the fact that we’re dealing with a woman. It’s a name that has the effect of diminishing expectations in this context (and I sincerely apologize to all Jodi’s – I truly mean IN THIS CONTEXT.)
Trying to say that I hope that the jury’s use of the name “Jodi” evinces nothing more than a shorthand, an ease-of-use thing that sort of settled in over the duration. I’d put more emphasis on the tone & direction of the actual questions? But Geragos would know.
Jane,
I call her Jodi all the time and Lord knows I don’t like ANYTHING about her. Nor do I think her life should be spared. Not saying that I think he’s wrong b/c he’d know better than I would, I just don’t read to much into it. Most everyone is calling her Jodi yet, those same people think she is a total monster.
Linda,
I would be fine with anything except murder 2 or manslaughter. If they want to spare her pathetic life and let her hang with her prison buddies for now until the end of time, I’m fine with that. As long as the jury is not thinking of giving her a slap on the wrist. No doubt there are some that will want to let her go, I just hope the more reasonable adults in the room are able to help them see truth.
I predict right here – right now: at least two of those jurors – guys at that – will want something like murder 2 or manslaughter. I HOPE I’m wrong – I just have that feeling.
Hi, Pat… On 2nd thought I’ll take a firmer stand: IMO, Geragos is wrong. She’s called Jodi because it’s easy, an easy name to bend w/ sarcasm… & the other 4-letter word that comes to mind is a tad raw in open forum. (Perhaps, when jurors used it, they bent it sarcastically in their minds?)
And, cammierari below: loved it to: Jodi Ann Arias. Didn’t he say something like, “… the defendant, well, we can be specific,JODI ANN ARIAS… “? Saved it til the end. Effective.
Jane, you printed my opinion before I could finish writing it. I agree with you 100%, its just easier to say Jodi. And calling her Ms. Arias seems to give her too much respect. Mark is one of the best, but, I think he got this one wrong.
Jane, funny you should put it that way. I’ve been avoiding using ‘her’ name like the plague, too. But I’m tired of typing JA and I don’t know why. I guess because ja is german for yes, like ya, like oui …ja… board. Maybe saying their first names makes me feel pretensious. – Weird ! When the Judge read jury questions – did she read her name with the questions ? I don’t think she did.
My Mom and I used to love Geragos but ever since the MJ trials – his television appearances have been 360 defense. He used to give intelligent arguments – you could ponder. Now I could plug my ears and predict what he has to say.
I swear, JustUs, i can’t remember if judge did or not. Re jury questions: seemed to me that they all came across in a similar writing voice, as if they’d been edited, condensed, re-worded by one court apointee (of course, that’s hardly practical or probable) – but, if they had been, then the use of “Jodi” would have been sorta court sanctioned? Where would THAT leave Geragos?
Just funny how we respond to the mere name. Don’t think it’ll be in the top ten for most popular baby girl names any time soon (but you never know.).
Dr. Drew has a female defense attorney on his show who is always100% for Jodi, no matter what. Another HLN host brings on a “red-faced” male defense attorney who does the same thing… 100% Jodi. They put me in the mind of LaLaViolette – and show no flexibility. And, they make up excuses for Jodi’s behavior. I wonder if the attorneys fear they may lose clients or affect their number of potential clients by looking at the case for what it really is. Either that or they have their heads somewhere dark.
Red-faced defense attorney is Dwane Cates. He gets redder and redder as the trial goes on and on. I certainly noticed it too.
eh..interesting, but I don’t think it means too much. LOVED that JM didn’t call her Jodi until his closing, when he called her Jodi Ann Arias. Before that, she was the defendant. I call her Jodi and I think she’s as guilty as sin.
Geragos does have a valid insight. However, I feel if they come back in a reasonable time after deliberating, the chances are still favorable for “Death.”
They may feel familiarity towards Jodi Arias, but, if they’re united, and focused, it means they’re following the letter of the law, not wavering. By the terms of cruel and aggravated murder, by the law, she certainly would qualify for the Death Penalty.
After following this case for four years, and watching a good percentage of the testimony, I feel like I can put myself in the seat of a juror, and evaluate the savagery of her actions.
She reacted to being spurned, after he told her unceremoniously that she was “the worst thing that ever happened to him,” etc., and I think what really bothered her the most, was the fact that he was taking another girl to Cancun. She was almost ok with their estrangement, as long as he understood, she was his travel concubine.
She obviously had a passion for travel. She took off frequently, and loved the open spaces and drives, new scenery and excitement of a vacation lifestyle. This drove her as much as any other hidden desire.
I think the plan was hatched, with the provision that if she was able to get him to “repent” and take her with him, the gun and knife would stay in her purse. In her mind, the murder was justifiable.
The terror he must have felt, forced to relive one of the most terrifying movie scenes in “Psycho” and his vulnerability in being wet and naked, stabbed in the heart, and dying, while she inflicted blow after blow upon his body, finally cutting his throat while he was still alive, is about as vicious and cruel, premeditated and disturbing as any other Death Row perpetrator’s crime.
That’s where, by law, she belongs. In my opinion.
One other thing, in jury instructions, there is a statement that sentiment or sympathy is not to be considered. That refers specifically to the defendant. If they follow the instructions, they will not let those 18 days of testimony to affect them.
Great post. As for familiarity “it breeds contempt” and in “Jodi’s” case disgust, anger and horror. IMO saying Jodi just lets the folk know her as the evil one. “Arias” would remove and seperate us from her a little and I want to be eye to eye with that bitch when they throw the switch errr… push the plunger or lock the door. I looked at those forensic pics on HLN and I threw up. I will tell you as well that should I ever run across that horrid excuse for human kind, Laviolette, I will express to her my absolute disgust of her prevaricating during her testimony and cross. She knew exactly what the deal was and she was ok with it.
Nice post, Michelle!
Fantastic post Michele. I agree that if he had said that he would take her to Cancun, the knife and gun would have stayed in her purse. Unfortunately for Travis, he thought that she understood they were just “friends with benefits”, and stood firm on his decision to not take JA on the trip. HE was looking for marriage material, and she certainly didn’t fit the bill.
I was curious about KN saying during his closing arguements, that “this trial isn’t about bad haircuts, or sexual orientation…” Obviously he was referring to ALV, but I wondered if anyone had heard much about her since she was unceremoniously banished from the court. We never did hear about what happened during that closed door hearing with her. She just never came back. Anyone heard any more about her?
Ya she is at a women’s domestic abuse event as the esteemed expert. And supposedly Jodi is tweetin that they are selling tshirts with “survivor” on the front in purple that she herself designed.
Tango, you’re kidding right? About the tshirts? Is LaLaveiett planning to retire soon??
Nope. I just googled to confirm and it is on several news sights and blogs. She designed a black or white tee with purple “survivor” written on it and she tweeted about it and her “art”. Now, you would think a NORMAL human would be too scared and worried right now to tweet, right? I think Laviolette is going to speak and write and milk this for all it is worth then retire.
The women’s shelter in Long Beach is having a gala fundraiser for a new shelter and honoring Laviolette and sellin the tees. Blech.
I just felt chills all over after reading that. She and Jodi showed who they really are in the courtroom. I shouldn’t be shocked. But, to intertwine a gruesome murder with such a serious cause, is totally unbelievable. By doing this, not only is LaLavieotte telling the world that she isn’t very bright…lol – but, also that she’s not getting enough business. One would think she would have been satisfied with the but-load of money she made hanging out with Jodi and at the trial.
I’m not surprised about Jodi’s part in this. She clearly isn’t listening to anyone that has an ounce of intelligence. I’m sure someone has told her to sit her asssss down, pray and be quiet. Maybe she’s just going for the gold right now because she knows what’s down the road.
O dear god, Tango! Perfect proof that she’ll continue to torment. Stomach-turning!
I wouldn’t put too much stock in what Geragos has to say. Afterall, he took what could have easily been a reasonable doubt case (not in my opinion mind you, but there was room for good lawyering had he done it) and turned it into a death sentence for Scott Peterson (whom deserved it.)
There is a book review in The New York Post today by Maureen Callahan that reviews the book, Confessions of a Sociopath. Many people use the terms psychopath and sociopath interchangeably. So many things that educated me about JA’s true nature. The book is written by a woman who claims to be a successful lawyer and Mormon, I know how bizarre! You might want to look it up as we wait for a verdict. I have recommended articles by Dr. Kristina Randle, criminial psychologist also. Hope these help fill your hours as we await a verdict.
Thanks!
For those out here who DO NOT think Arias should get the death penalty…Think about this- do you have sons that could possibly run into her if she was released – well, I do! And the thoughts of her being out, playing the field is a little much. We’ve already experienced bi-polar personalities, which were bad enough. I can’t imagine her being free to prey on another young man.
Yep. And I truly believe she would kill again. I wonder if the two guys she dated before Travis will speak more candidly to the press after this is all over. I’m sure they’ll have a little bit more to say. Besides, whew, that could have been me.
Totally agree! Not only that she WOULD, but also that she WAS PACKED for a killing spree with victims in mind, when arrested. Several posters pointed this out, citing details of the arrest, which I hadn’t know. This led me to compare Arias to spree-killer Andrew Conanan (Versace murder). Coincidentally enough, today, HLN re-aired the old & excellent Dominick Dunne profile of Conanan & his spree.
During sentencing phase, might be nice if jury could know how the car was packed (gun, ammo, 2 knives) at time of arrest. Does this info get in or is it excluded for the duration?
That is so funny, I watched a little of that earlier today and realized the likeness. Conanan was out to find an older guy who would show him the “good” life and settle down with. Had he and Versace broken up before the murder. And, was that the so-called reason for the murder. Did he kill someone else. I hope the show will be repeated to tonight, it seemed quite interesting.
I think during sentencing all that type of info will come out – the police interview with her standing on her head, the forged letters attesting to TA so-called pedophelia, the articles in her car when arrested – all the stuff that was deemed too “prejudicial” during trial will come out. The jury will have their verdict validated, imo.
Thanks, Babs… I’m so uniformed re: prejudicial and, also, sentencing phase.
There is life without parole.
Is everyone in agreement – a verdict will be in tomorrow between 1:00 – 2:00 pm?
I think it may take 2-3 days, I’d say Tues would be earliest, but leaning toward Wed and possibly even Thurs.
I do hope that all predicting a verdict for tomorrow prove me wrong though. Please prove me wrong! Lol!!!!! If there’s a verdict Mon, it leans toward M1. Lets hope I’m right on at least that one.
Hope so. Guilty too.
The paperwork alone will take a few hours………… I vote Tue. kh
I think they will come back sometime Monday with M1. They will draw it out, imo, so it will seem like they truly “deliberated”. Paperwork shouldn’t take long – check off the correct box and sign it.
After watching Mad Men (Lovvvvve It) Woke up sick to my stomach – my mind emersed in this trial. Ughhhh ! Have Gaviscons (& coffee !!) will travel… wish I had one of those mini TV’s strapped to my head so I could get stuff done today.
So here we go… (as Hanibal Lector says in Silence of the Lambs…TIC TOC !!
TIC TOC !!)
Hey Jane 🙂 Just wanted to help you – make a smiley face (Ha! – if it works for you) \ Hit – colon key Hit – dash key Hit – right parenthsis ~ and magically on TT Pops up as an emoticon. That’s all I know !! I’m still using my Aunt’s borrowed computer that’s so old – she didn’t want it back. I thought taking typing ~ way back ~ in high school was a useful tool… which certainly got me better jobs since I was 16, but now I strain to “unlearn” typing – Actually – there’s NO need to spell a lot of words if someone “texts” ??? Can’t you guys tell I’m no good @ short hand. I still have my old IBM Electra AND correction wheel refills !!! Ah – they were Cadillacs. – You are a lady after my own heart. 🙂
🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
Look at me, JustUs, having so much fun! Hope it works… (though, jeepers, think I just fell deeper down the black hole of blogosphere!) Well, all or nothing, so, in your honour, JustUs, let me just say: ROFLMFAO!!
O my god, CTDIC (Choking to Death in Canada)… thank you, JustUs, for the best laugh I’ve had in weeks… god I’m such a cheap date!
Jane – Hey
Hope you see this reply – Not @ top of list – Just got back online. Amazing how LITTLE it takes as we get older ! LOLOLOLOL ! Wow you made 4+1 smileys !! – Fun huh ? So while we wait for a jury verdict ~ I have a dumb question FOR you, my blog Pal… what the hell does ROFLMFAO mean ? HA ! ~ I had to look up IMO… last week !
Hey, there! OK, I’m not sure I should spoil your fun (I’m sure everyone on this thread is rolling their eyes at us)… but, OK, I’m almost positive it’s “Rolling On the Floor Laughing My F****** A** Off.” It’s just all so eecummings! Ah, to feel young again…
(Do you think we have longer to wait for a verdict than originally anticipated? I’m think the jury might not want to give the appearance of coming back without due diligence done… and, then, I suspect there will be some security precautions that will take time to put in place? Or MAYBE it’s a really heavy burden & damn hard work!!)
Oh and PS. ~ Sorry I was off topic a bit ! Remember ~ the old legal standard…
The longer the deliberations last – the better for the defense ! I think all the men on the jury should be fumigated before they go in everyday. Like bug-spray or anti-estrogen agents. ohhhh and no viagra either…!! VERDICT TODAY !!! ~ ???
I just can’t see how men would be swayed by her. My husband feels the same way I do. She’s nothing but a snake and liar. My son in law feels the same way. I think men get it more than a woman would. A woman might feel sorry for her whereas a man wouldn’t want to have anything to do with her. I may be wrong but that’s the way I feel.
I totally agree. If I were a man on this jury I would have had my legs tightly crossed the whole trial. It also appears that women are completely offended by her as well.
“…legs tightly crossed…” So funny! That’s how the men I know are thinking.
Last night, for the very first time, watched Day something on Youtube (David Lohr??) & saw the nude shots. Had seen the uncensored full body shots early on (ho hum), but last night I saw the two absolutely adorable anatomical close-ups of Ariass. Hello. Now, i know what Det Flores was really on about when he said “All of you.”
Pray verdict today…………..given first degree, how soon do they start penalty phase and would that be televised???
I know the prosecution does not need to prove motive in the slaughter of TA, and much has been discussed regarding possible motive. I remember hearing something on one of the HLN shows, Dr. Drew probably, that there may have been a motive that hasn’t been revealed, just guessed at.
What has been referred to is the last email between JA and TA at the end of May. In a response by TA to an email sent by JA, TA threatens to “tell the world” something about JA and then the whole world will know the truth about JA, and what kind of person she really is.
So my question is, what is this hugely devastating secret that prompted JA to do all the elaborate planning and subterfuge in order to go and kill TA?
Any clues, anyone?
Sandra, I’ve tried to reply to you but for some reason none of my post are being posted. Not sure why.
Keep trying, would like to hear your take.
Sandra, There was a Radio show on last night with Cris Hughes (Friend of Travis) he had a good theory about the email. I put up a link for the show, but for some reason those post are not being posted. His thought was that when Jodi told Travis that she had taped their sexcapade conversation he flipped out and told her he was going to sue her. Chris said Jodi emailed Travis back and told him she was going to her attorney the next morning. Chris thought that Travis was going to expose Jodi to everyone and she it sounds to me like she may have been using that tape to blackmail him. Just not sure but if you can hear that tape of the radio show it will be worth listening to. It’s about 3 hours. It was on last nights “Tricia’s true crime radio” I wont put the link up again because maybe that’s why it wont post. Not sure this will even come through.
Wow. That sounds entirely plausible, and since we only heard the one tape that was played in court, who knows what else Jodi had done that we haven’t heard about (only because it wasn’t allowed by the court)?
It sounds entirely likely that Travis was about to expose the whole enchilada, and all JA could think about was how it would affect HER and devastate her already precarious financial situation. So, get rid of Travis, get rid of the problem.
As for spending the day in bed with him on June 4th was a ploy to convince him to drop the lawsuit, take more incriminating photos to use as blackmail against Travis, and when that all failed, resort back to Plan A and stop Travis permanently.
It scares me that I can think like a sociopath…!
So compelling, you guys! Seems not just plausible, but a certainty that blackmail entered the picture re: things surreptitiously taped/photo doc’ed? No question, Arias, when desperate re: Cancun, threatened to out him, to exploit the gulf between their sex life and Travis’ public image & so-called religious obligations. (A sex life that she instigated & orchestrated? In essence, exploiting, from the get go, her razor sharp instinct that sex was Travis’ frustration, vulnerable spot? Makes me wonder exactly how long she, in some sense, was consciously premeditating his social/professional defamation – if, in the end, she couldn’t have him?)
I agree, Sandra, what we’ve seen re: Arias’ conniving documentation, points to all there was that we’ll never see. One thing for sure, if he didn’t take her back, she was hellbent on ruining him. And prepared all along. (IMO.)
I think that one tape is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. There had to be something serious that TA threatened to expose that JA just couldn’t handle if it were made public. So if she couldn’t convince or blackmail TA further, then he had to go. That was probably why she didn’t shoot him right away. Plus, his room mates were probably
home when she arrived at 4:00 AM.
Which makes me wonder: Did she confide in him re: something other than or in addition to the fact she possessed sex tapes? Something she, herself, did in another time & place…
(like admitting to having felt aroused by and acting seductively around the prepubescent son of Daryl – ha! which would explain why she had THAT handy to, then, apply to Travis when it was convenient? Not wanting to float abhorrent theories, but she was always superimposing themes & I think she’s thoroughly suspect.)
And, YES, I’ve always wondered why defense makes such a big deal re: why did she wait. Seems to me there are several possible explanations. One could be that one of the roommates, at least, was initially home sleeping? Or have we already heard that they were both away (for instance, the one was house-sitting?)
JA recording the sexcapade tapes without Travis knowledge was beyond destructive for him. A complete betrayal from someone who “supposedly loved him,” She may have threatened to send them to LDS if he didn’t marry her. His response to her might have been a counter threat to exposed her to what she really is.
Among other things she is a grifter – using any means possible to get what she wants.
I just read on the Justice 4 Travis site that one of the drawings JA is selling is an exact copy of a Dior ad campaign. Dior has been contacted and they are going to force her to relinquish that drawing. Well, alrighty then!!! JA always reminds me of someone cheating at solitaire. Even her art is not authenic.
All of her pictures are traced from magazine ads. I’m not joking, the original photos and her work are side by side all over the net. Every went nuts over one recently saying it was one of Travis’s sisters. It was not, it was another traced photo.
Meanwhile, the Travis fanatics are just as crazy as the Jodi ones. Artists draw from pictures all the time. Dior doesn’t care if some chick in jail is tracing their advertisements. It would be like Campbell’s going after Warhol for painting a can of tomato soup. Both sides need to take a deep breath here.
I couldnt agree more. People really need to step back.
I do know that artists have made a living for centuries copying famous artists’ works. Just passing gossip during the down time. The Dior copy is the one that they said was TA’s sister.
Can’t believe we are discussing JA’s crap as actual “art”. It’s a joke at best. I hope Dior shuts her down FAST and sues her for everything she’s made so far and any future profits.
Hey Tamara – just checking out comments about Jodi’s so-called art. I come from family in NYC that are REAL artists. When I had my art critiqued [sp?] – I was told I was good BUT I had no live model pastels, paintings, sculptures, watercolors, etc… Know Jodi only has nubbys now, but her art is merely concidered ‘illustration” I then took classes when I lived there and had to free hand the likes of the famous artists BUT tracing was never allowed. She should be using her open imagination and a blank pallette. Jodi doesn’t seem to lack make-up worlds. My dig is if she makes $$ from them to buy even a Zagnut bar. 🙂
The signage is up, does that mean the court will be in session shortly? What does everyone else do while the jurors deliberate?
I think the seal is up to be ready for anything that might happen, verdict, jury question, motion for mistrial (kidding, mostly) etc. At this point I think we would all be gleeful to get a question or any little thing.
Thanks Tamara. I’ve got about 7 programs open on my computer, and have the video feed tucked away quietly in the corner. Keep refreshing to see if there is news.
Is anyone else experiencing a black screen on HLN? Same with CNN
I’m on wptv.com. I’ve got the signage/shield.
Thank you. I’m going insane here. Both HLN and CNN are completely black screens! Maybe a verdict is in???
The jury is at lunch.
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Tamara Tattles
Just a heads up, I am a bit under the weather today. I don’t really want to investigate links to see if they are worth posting or not, so please try to avoid links unless it is something earth shattering.
Hint: A three hour radio interview is not. Also my name is Tamara.
Hint #2 I am even crabbier than usual when I don’t feel well.
Sorry Tamara, I wont post anymore links. Hope you feel better soon.
HLN is playing the jailhouse interview that Jodi did after she was arrested where she was putting on her makeup before the interview. In it, she is talking about her love of photography and how much she loved it ever since she can remember.
She said that she loves taking pictures of people, weddings, etc. But she said that she loved taking pictures of people because she loved capturing their emotions.
How chilling that statement was! I keep remembering the image of Travis’ close up of his face where he looks terrified to me. That would definitely be an emotion. I think she was enjoying toying with him when she was forcing him (probably with the gun pointed at him) to pose in the shower. I also noticed that in that last pic of him before she killed him where it showed only his lower part of his body sitting in the shower, that his LEGS WERE CROSSED! I could just imagine her ordering him to cross his legs as he sat all hunched up in that shower. The crossed legs would make him even more vulnerable and harder to get up from that position when she IMO pulled that knife out of her back pocket and stabbed him in the heart.
Jodi Arias’s eyes don’t track together. Her right eye tends to cross in…Very noticeable on this 48 hours thing.
Yes!! Saw it! And she appears to have no pupils – just black dots. Has always bugged me. Very disconcerting. There’s definitely something odd w/ the eyes.
right after I typed that, she was answering someone in the other direction and the left eye was doing it. When your eyes don’t track together that is some sort of brain issue. She would fail the follow my finger test big time.
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Tamara Tattles
I had noticed that too. Her eyes make her look crazy. Or should I say show that she is crazy.
When I was having fun & dating – my Mom gave me very little advise – but for some reason she always told me to notice guys whos eyes draw close together or cross alot because they always seem to be “control freaks” She said when one eye goes cross – it usually mean their lying. Ha ! Now I can count those I know fits on both hands. Ya’ know how those weird Mom Wisdoms go… minute I saw Jodi – thought ah ha.
Scarah Palin also, too, has a wonky eye. She wears glasses to obscure them.
Olive Oyl eyes.
OLIVE OYL EYES! That’s it exactly.
Yep. Or to me she has shark eyes. That cold flat inhuman stare…
Jane 🙂 I posted reply to your smiley’s…ha ha – Below !
Well it’s 6:05 PM est – Court closes our time @ 7 PM est. No verdict today ?? There is ? a hang up maybe on DP ? Oh hell – Looks like Arias gets the rest of her bologna sandwich !! I think HLN just said the photo of Court House will come down and only Great Seal up – if they get a verdict.
Really? I tweeted for them to do that because it was covering up Ashleigh! lol Apparently they listened.
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Tamara Tattles
Tomorrow? But I’m beginning to come back to earth & think longer…
Totally disagree w/ myself & think today, in an hour or 2… (because, truly, I have a few things to do this end!)
Look @ JA’s mothers eyes. The left eye is what I’ve always called ‘a lazy eye’. It is much more prominent in the mother than in JA, but the twin sister does not appear to have it. See if y’all notice.
Very noticeable. I paid more attn to Jodi’s but was one of the first things I noticed about her. Same as Paris Hilton, cept she has some soul in her eyes…as in there is some actual life in there….grey matter not so much.
OK, so it’s no doubt something genetic. I need to look more closely at the mother. But does the mother have the black dot, pupil-less thing going on as well. Too hard to tell w/ the glasses?
My atty @AshleighMerchan is back on HLN….right now.
Alas I lost the (imaginary) bet. No verdict yet. Damn!
Well, I am watching Nancy Grace and Donald Trump is giving expert commentary – he knows all about the case. He seems flattered about jodi’s twitter account following him! He has just given his opinion on the jury not reaching a decision!!
Donald Trump gives his opinion? Oh heaven help us all from the Donald Trumps of this world.
I really wasnt worried because i didnt think 8 hrs was a long time , but HLN is now worrying me about this verdict. UGH :////
I was a little concerned as well until two things happened. 1: that idiot, Donald Trump, said he was worried about verdict and then I was immediately reassured that all was well. and 2: Jenkasaurus who is also usually wrong and reminds me of Gomer Pyle’s girlfriend, Luanne Bailey, said that the jury looked unhappy or something like that was then countered by those delightful non-pros on Dr Drew Uhmmm. I think Katie and Stacey who said that the jury “were talking and got on the elevator together. Beth also said that the jury is not meeting till 10AM and to me it means that they have made a decision, are going to sleep on it and then…Asta La Arias. I only feel free to be so sure because this wonderful group here at TT are so supportive so that IF I be wrong then they will know that I was coming from a good place. Gosh.
I, too, think the starting an hour late is them giving themselves the gift of an extra hour sleep knowing they have the verdict and will then be back on the judges terms for DEATH PENALTY PHASE. Because if it were M2, Manslaughter or not guilty, they would just come in and then go home and be done they could have the extra hour any time.
Man I hope so. If she gets manslaughter, can’t they count time served and let her out in like, only 10 years? That’d be a terrible injustice.
Ugh.
I agree, Adam. Trump is a fur ball. I love the name, Jinkasaurus, but rarely agree w/ Jink’s actual take on things. She says the jury left glum-faced and interprets this as a sign of dissension. Well, if they were glum-facing each other, stem coming out of their ears, maybe. By contrast, Beth mentions 1) the fact that there were no jury questions, 2) the laugh heard from the jury room & 3) the uniformly serious expressions, which she sees as a sign that, perhaps, a verdict’s been reach. Wishful me, I prefer Beth’s view! Then, you add that the jurors rode the elevator together. I’m sold! The 10 am call time, also, supports the likelihood of a reached verdict. The inevitable media storm as well as any jury security measures are surely being taken into consideration. Plus, all & sundry must get to the courthouse on time. Maybe 10 am allows everything to fall into alignment? Seems that tomorrow’s being set up as something other than a long, hard day of deliberation… but, woe is me if I’ve got this all wrong (& I’ll send flowers to Jinkasaurus.)
STEAM (that is) re: coming out of ears above.
Hey Jane, who talked about the laugh? was it Beth or those nice two Katie and Stacey?
Hmmm….I was just giving this more thought. Is it possible that it’s 10 am because they reached a verdict by end of day Monday and they are starting an hour later to allow for the gap for the required notice to families? So they can be in court without the media or anyone else trailing them? Nah, that doesn’t seem plausible either. Gawd, I’ve gotta get some sleep so I can think…semi straight anyway.
I thought about that too. There was concern about rush hour today. Maybe they are trying to avoid having to call everyone back during rush hour….
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:36 AM, Tamara Tattles
Adam, I heard it 2nd or 3rd hand out of the corner of my ear (didn’t catch Drew or any other HLN fully.) But, it was Ryan, I think, who I heard quote Beth Keras, regarding laughter heard from the jury room earlier on. (I hope it’s not a desert myth!)
I find with the HLN Arias coverage, all the shows start to bleed into one w/ all hands on deck ’round the clock. I’m so confused w/ all the talking heads! I’ll try to listen in, now, as, out here on the west coast, the HLN re-plays run ad infinitum through the night. In the meantime, our TT posters can clarify, I’m sure (if they’re not already asleep!) Take care, Friend!
Thanks Jane. I agree about HLN coverage and in addition it Is difficult to be a fan of Nancy G’s but (for now) she’s on our side so I can handle it although she can be a beeyatch of Tsunami like proportions and when she plays snuggly poo with that nimrod, Trump, I realize what a difficult human she can be.
isn’t it funny that Dr Drew’s jurors seem to have a better handle on the trial than Jinkasaurus, who is too emo for my taste. I have also caught her getting a few facts wrong when she has reported on the day’s proceedings. Maybe I just like Katie and Stacey’s opinion better, but..I also think the jury will come back today, and gave themselves the extra hour to ‘primp’ for their big verdict reveal.
I also want to say that JM’s final closing argument was fantastic. I thought he was a little disjointed in his part 1, but was on the edge of my seat for part 2, following Nurmi.
Hope to see you all back here for the verdict TODAY!
I’m not a huge fan of Dr. Drew, but I agree with your observations. As far as this 10 am thing goes, I was kind of relieved to see other people had the same thoughts and I’m not the only one possibly going into overdrive here. lol. And OMG, “jinkasauras” is firmly embedded in my brain now thanks to the poster who first dubbed her that. I was listening to Nancy Grace, and I keeled over laughing because that is indeed the way she says it…so fast, it sounds precisely like that. Let’s hope that our speculative minds are correct about this one hour hold up. AND that it equates M1
Absolutely agree and I wish that Drew would let the two ladies yap for longer as they seem to see that group in the courtroom fairly clearly.
For instance, more young ladies, NO Human Lie Detector!
Imagine for a sec if we all went around super animated as per her requirements, brows bunching, noses crunching, eyes widening & glancing askew at precisely the right juncture – what a pack of puppets we’d be! Has she given any thought as to what her own motor-mouthing & trite gesticulating conveys? Plus, a perfect stranger (me), I can now recite a good deal of her private details. Why do I know these things?! False intimacy. Indecent exposure. Hyperactive. Bad actor.
2.5 minutes less ’til verdict (at HumLieDet’s expense.) Morning, Guys!
I hope it is for the reason TT says. It does make some sense. I’m not worried though even if it turns out not to be the case. There could be one or two hold outs, and I can certainly attest to the fact that it may be for reasons that have nothing to do with the overwhelming evidence. Often times it is a juror’s personal reasons and fears.
In the spirit of using our waiting time constructively & elevating the tenor of discussion, I researched the eye question. Olive Oyl eyes: most definitely, Sandra! Many OO portrayals exhibit exactly what we see in Arias. Shark eyes: ditto, Tango! Again, many shark photos feature the pupil-less (or iris-less) flat beady eye syndrome (although many sharks have colourful eyes & all have eye structures like ours – except, take note, sharks can see in murky, muddy water. And their eyes are naturally protected when they go after their prey. Hmmmm…) Eyes That Track Weird: Bingo! Particularly in older photos & the 48 hrs video, Jodi’s right bead appears to track inward or be somehow off-center. Tamara notes that this holds true for the left bead, too. Looking head on, the right bead is detectably de-railed. Something’s definitely up with that. (Hmmm… but, she’s got great eye-hand coordination or she couldn’t draw from photos as well as she does?)
Much to my disappointment, there is no such thing as solid black eyes. There’s only dark, dark brown eyes that give the black bead appearance. Literature, however, abounds w/references, mostly gothic, to black eyes (the Bible, too, no doubt, but I’ll leave that to others.) Solid black flat eyes are, likewise, big in the worlds of anime & cartoon. And, wow, the question “Is there such a thing as solid black eyes” is alive online (who knew), where people, seriously distressed by weird black-eyed co-workers, seem desperate for answers. Ah-ha!! So, there’s definitely a flat black de-railed beady eye phenomenon afoot.
8 less minutes ’til verdict.
I should probably sit in here next to Jane and quit being blasphemous in the Orange County thread. I forsee a lot of pearl clutching when the God Fearing Christians arise in the morning.
I need a lady sitter.
Ah jeeeeez, if we’re headed that route, you’ll have to assign me my own basement thread, right down next to Edgrrrrrr!
The what would jesus do route, that is.
Lol Jane. I like that other people think how I do…I told my husband about her eyes and he just shrugged. But them creepy eyes bothered me. I think if I met her on the street and didn’t know she was a knife wielding psycho, I would still think there was somethin off about her. Have you seem the video of her looking at the pic of Travis’ s throat? If you can bear it, google it. (BUT if you are not thick skinned I do not suggest it..) Juan put it up and everyone looked away, Travis’ s poor family cried and left….but watch Jodi. She fixated on it and her eyes go positively bonkers.
Tango, I’m still a bit traumatized by the anatomy book nude closeups of Ari-ass from behind, which I happened upon for the 1st time last night (yikes); however, I’ll brace myself anew.
I think JA’s eyes are significant. One of the 1st things I noticed (back when this was all new & I wasn’t up to my own eyeballs in it) was the woman’s flat black bead eyes. They’re not for nothing. Maybe, as Tamara suggests, something neurological, perhaps genetic. Maybe just ethnicity. But, can it be entirely coincidental that the internet is alive with regular folk, who seem genuinely distressed by the disturbing behaviors of black-eyed characters in their midst?
Might have a verdict today ! – Maybe the jurors were laughing about what the rest of us would think If they were caught laughing. Ha ! Can anyone of us imagine NOT being able to discuss this case with the people we’re sharing it with for 4 MONTHS ? – My husband said I could never do it. – Nuhtt-ah !
Thought of a new movie title: The Fishbowl Effect. Murder, sex, lies, and dirty little archaic journals, black-outs, & time travel, all seen through a shark’s eye. – Speaking of empty black eyes, anyone remember an HBO series called Carnival – set during the dust bowl era ? – Whew ! (writers of Amer. Beauty / 6Ft. Under & Twin Peaks) – We never missed it. It was so real people scary. Movies, TV, etc… always use those black contact lens props to depict “demon-like” characters. – It’s biblical. – Shows like Charmed or that violent series Supernatural (really) really used them. – I think it’s totally primal for us humans to fear dead black eyes – so therein lies Nature’s Warning Signs – the rest of us have evolved !! Personally, I fear real people rather than make believe – but for some reason… Arias’ eyes have the feeling of emptiness, perhaps it’s because it’s coupled with her lack of affect and no signs of remorse. A mental and social illness. – If anyone is really looking for hell signs – Nancy G. & Trump getting rating’s boosts from Arias is more frightening to me ! – Maybe Trump will ask her to be on Mephistopheles Apprentice ! – Pleeeze !
Nice, JustUs! Re: Carnival – Is it still accessible? RE: Black Dot Eyes – I think it’s a real phenom. RE: Arias Eyes – I can’t figure out if it’s that they’re empty or, rather, too concrete, opaque. There’s no depth to them. (Which, in itself, could be described as an emptiness in the sense you say: lack of affect, no sign of emotion, much less remorse.)
O, Gosh, Jane Valez has her knickers in a knot about JW & A Lady in Pink. And we’re off!!
We tried to find VCRs or DVDs of the Carnivale series and all that I found out is HBo & the writers decided to pull it before the 2nd season. They didn’t syndicate or make it available to sell. All I know is there was artistic differences and it was getting too “dark” to continue. Eeeeks !! Boy, has that changed since then. I love period pieces so much but Dowton Abbey (which i also love) it wasn’t. Ha !
Anyone know anything ? – I read a rumor that Beth K’s ‘In Sessions’ hours have been almost completely eliminated but I’m picking up competitive tension between her & Jinkasarus (ha!) for anchorage and punditry. Jink’s reporting has been too touchy-feely, sensational, and wrong lately. Beth’s has been spot-on and very legally astute (as usual). I am so hoping we don’t lose Beth.
(Psst Tamara: Did my 1st reply post ?…it hung up again – my cookies were closed – wanted to post but not it twice) ??
Totally agree re: Jink & Beth.
Also, JustUs, I can’t access Court TV or In Session. Not sure if this is because they’re not “in our bundle” or because we’re in Canada or what… Is Court TV the CNN/HLN “sister” station (how absurd – we all know TV-related stuff is male – gosh!) that carries In Session or does In Session even still exist? I thought that, back in the day, there was one channel that carried all the live court stuff. I guess it’s all just live stream & youtube, now. (Fair enough. That’s how I’m handling the situation myself. Held together by Tamara’s tearoom!!)
Hey Jane… 🙂 In Sessions have 2 hrs. weekdays left on TruTV. (which is really awful) Not sure if they’ll keep it. – With these Corp. buy outs, take overs… one would think some “brain mogel” would put up a “real” reality” drama together and devote it strickly to trials like an In Sessions w/ all the bells & whistle tech we have now. I dont know how long HLN can keep this up, the commercials suck – know them by heart ! Sadly we are never at a loss for these cases. ~ the Channel could be called The Trials of Our Lives – soapy & so original, eh? (ugh)
TruTV! That’s the one. Don’t have access. You’re so right! Mogels a bit slow on the draw? Viewer appetite is hardly subtle. And material abounds, as you say, w/a steady flow always coming down the pike. Please, somebody, give HLN a run for its money. ‘Cuz Nancy of the Cupped Ear & this After Dark thing (my embarrassing default positions) have a SERIOUS side show quality. And Drew Pinsky… for me, he falls in the “don’t get me started” category. A can of worms. But, at present, another default position.
OMG. Why the hell didn’t I name this place Tamara’s Tearoom? That would have been perfect. I’ll have to put it in my banner when I redecorate. 🙂
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Tamara Tattles
NO! NO! Tamara, “Tamara Tattles” is absolutely inspired (especially w/ the housewives & etc element) & the “No Tea, No Shade… ” not only has geographical/cultural significance (so says a westerner), but also has irony, sets tearoom on its ear. Love the artwork – captures everything (although where’s the southern gentleman in white linen?) As I’m sure you all are, I’m dressed in pantyhose, heels & hat as we speak! Don’t you dare change a thing! (I hope you were being sarcastic & jabbing at those of us who get a bit chatty while waiting…)
I am back, and it appears I didn’t miss a thing. No questions no updates? No word on what the women are wearing today?
Ca mon Jury…bring us a 1st degree verdict!! LOOK AT THE PHOTOS…says it all.
jane said one of the male jurors came in early in shorts. I don’t think that means anything. Females would dress up. My artist guy of an indeterminate age will not.
Apparently, the lawyers were there too. JW is still there but Juan left.
Do we need a new post? I am TRYING to calm down after having the world’s stupidest conversation with my NEW IMPROVED ONLINE BANKING COMPANY THAT MY CREDIT UNION CHANGED TO THAT DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO RECEIVE BILLS!!!!! don’t even get me started
I am going to breathe and then run to Publix for beverages of adult and non adult varieties. I will start with the adult kind. Let’s hope we are celebrating.
No new post needed. I can at least amuse myself slowly scrolling and rereading through the comments.
This is my first time following a trial. I don’t think I have the patience to follow more, though I plan on following Zimmerman’s. Will you blog about that one, Tamara?
No. But I will probably follow Andrea Schneiderman because she is local. I don’t think the board could handle Zimmerman…
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Tamara Tattles
Andrea Sniederman has always fascinated me. She may be an unattractive intelligent Jodi Arias. So shocked and pleased when the DA decided to ask for answers from her.
Sorry off topic but – Ya’ Andrea Sneid erman – definately want to watch that trial. Wow – WHAT a piece of work she is ! Also was waiting to see the follow-up trial of the young, pretty socialpath that took her boyfriends Baby ____? tried to illegally adopt him, then claimed she dumped him the trash… oh god ! Did that already happen ? Last name Johnson ? ~ Tamara – you should start your own Crime & Passion page. ~ With all the compliments here, I bet you’d be #1 blog !
Jinkasaurus is reporting that JM and JWill are in the building. Hmmmmm
No new post, TT. I’m locked in here. That being said, if y’all move, I’ll move. If it’s not today, maybe we’ll need a new post. Oh, lordy, please let it be today. I just know JA is sitting there going they believe me, they like me. Travis Victor Alexander and his family deserve this 1st degree premeditatied verdict.
Nothing infuriates me more (or unglues me faster) than THAT type of “conversation!” Real Day Wreckers. Grrrrrrrrr! A cold beverage is a step in the right direction.
Me, too, Seriously re: Zimmerman. I’ll be watching that very closely. Lots at stake. Also, Adam referred to something slated for October… not sure what it is (Zimmerman starts in June?)
If they were letting her off, wouldnt they have just came back right away and did it ? Ugh who knows !!
Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.
im verrry worried
Ugh.
Me too. I was sure it would be yesterday – now I hope it’s today. What could be holding them up? I’m sure the family is beside themselves. 🙁
I have no idea Babs, i thought it was going to be yesterday also, or early today. But nothing yet!!! Its driving me crazy that people can be holding out on 1st degree.
I have been a on jury where everyone was on one side and one person was hold out. It almost deadlocked the verdict. The judge made us continue until a verdict was reached.
You believe that is whats going on right now ?
I think so just because there was no slam dunk on either side. I don’t think the judge will let them walk away without a verdict.
This whole speculation from Nurmi that “she could have shot him here, there, etc.” is bulljuice. She did it when she got the nerve and when she felt his most vulnerable moment was.
Dlister, i was just gonna ask ppl about that. Do you think jury is wondering why she didnt do it at any other time?
There is no real evidence to go on the “she could have done it any ole time” defense. When you really think about it, the premeditation was still intact. The goal of eliminating him was achieved. Who is to say she would have just gone there, been welcomed, and she would have shot him in the head than run away? This calls for impossible speculation. It is much more reasonable to believe that she took her first available opportunity.
Room mates were home and would have heard the shot at 4:00 AM. JA had to wait until it was convenient for HER and when she was convinced that killing TA was the only way to stop him form revealing whatever it was he had threatened to reveal about her and “the whole world would know” what kind of person she really is. JA went there to convince him not to do it, and when that didn’t work, she got angry and slaughtered him. But still premeditated, covered her tracks in case she needed to do it after all.
Premeditation in the bag. Lunchtime in the west. My head in the oven.
Damn it!
They havent went to lunch yet, probably because they started an hr later today .
(My lunchtime, Tori. They haven’t earned theirs, yet. 🙂
haha very true Jane !!
Jane – Oh no you don’t, get your head the hell out of the oven… no guts no glory ! Remember that desert heat slows things down in AZ. – !! Breaking News, they is take-out containers going into the courthouse ! – Gettin’ down to it ? (probably just for the janitors) FYI: got your ROFLMFAO note… Really ?
“No guts, No glory.” Correct, JustUs!
Head high. Oven closed. See, that’s why we’re here, together.
O, please, Vinnie: Jury “armed w/ Diet Coke.”
O, Silly JVMitchelle, I’m sure Arias & the Lovely Donovan have had her verdict tweet in place for weeks.
Thanks, Jinkasaurus, now we know a juror brought back an apple. Not exactly what we’re on pins & needles hoping they “bring.”
(Truly, I think that’s the ROFLMFAO translation. Which, by the way, I’m not at the moment… sigh.)
Since HLN is making us ALL nervous wrecks… I remembered there is historical truth to jury deliberations that are holding up. Usually jury’s come to verdict almost always on late THUR.s or by FRIDAY afternoons so they can go home w/o press conferences. …I know, I know …there goes another week in the weeds (that are sprouting around my yard like Arias’ lies.) By the way – snuck over to peek @ T Arias site ~ OMG ! Are they ever hateful to Juan and especially Travis. Oh, I pray for Instant Karma !! (somehow I know this anger is unhealthy)
“…a week in the weeds, spreading in yard like Arias’ lies…”
Just think, JustUs, a simile an entire culture gets on first read!
Jury is working through lunch. Lunch was delivered about 20 min ago. A few escorted in and out for a drink or something I think all are back in now eating and talking. The looked I heard described was somber.(Sorry if I am double posting. I am watching some other stuff on TV needed a break from HLN.
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Tamara Tattles
Thanks Jane – ahead of the curve maybe ! ~ Folklore begins. Wow ! HLN Jane just reported Jodi’s in Maricopa basement……. too ? Oh god, my hubby is so patient – he gets home and says, “How was your day in court today, Honey?” – Soooo bad.
So lady hanging out in the courtwatching section outside just collapsed. Fire?EMT on scene. Pass the popcorn.
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Tamara Tattles
Omg Vinnie on HLN. Lotsa pics and info about other trials, bla bla blaaaaa. I am getting irritated. There’s a flake in there..
So I flip back and the two dudes appear to be playing the stupid after dark game. Dude one says, “The knife is all speculation, there was no knife recovered to get DNA and stuff from” Dude two says…. Did he begin to cast doubt or cause speculation about the knife. AND THREE IDIOTS SAID YES? HOW THE HOLY HELL DID HE GET 29 knife wounds and nearly decapitated then? What did she use? A shoe horn?
Sorry I am kinda shouty. I did get beer but felt icky at the store and haven’t felt like drinking it yet…
Also why are they asking way this is taking so long. It’s only been 10 hours THAT’S ONE BELVIN PERRY DAY!
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Tamara Tattles
Ya good ole HLN is trying to scare us all into staying tuned in all day and on the edge of out seats. I especially liked how they changed the bottom of the screen to say something like “VERDICT COULD COME AT ANY MINUTE”, making us all think it was close to the marching out of jurors with the announcement. Meanwhile jurors are just eatin apples and chatting…
Why am I laughing…
(I’m gonna need some serious LaVaLamp when this is over. Will anyone care enough to send a magazine subscription to sooth my PTSD?)
Beth Karas, You are sitting your ass in a court house with many buildings full of court related workers, there are bailiffs, there are judges, there are attorneys, there are probably some criminals hanging around. GET UP AND ASK THEM HOW THE QUESTIONS WORK DURING DELIBERATIONS. WTF are you doing to earn a paycheck. I’d be asking a judge myself if I was there. GET UP AND WORK!
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Tamara Tattles
I despise that after dark game. If the critical thinking skills of those jurors are any indication of the skills of Our Jury Most Important, we’re in deep shight! Seriously, some of the after dark jurors don’t even process the questions correctly and, then, proceed to fiddle with their paddles & mis-apply the concepts “Yes” & “No.” Last night, I listened in for ONE minute &, in that minute, this guy (JVMitchelle Arizona “jury”) voted yes, reasonable doubt had been established, THEN voiced an explanation that clearly proved NO, reasonable doubt had NIOT been established. Didn’t even hear his own contradiction, & JVM, if she heard it, certainly didn’t point it out. In fact, she jumped to an entirely different topic. Swift one, Jane. How to dumb down your viewers.
(However, I did appreciate how Vinnie kept going REASONABLE doubt, REASONABLE doubt – emphasis on reasonable – which has been pointed out on these threads – which, by the by, I’m convinced they read.)
What’s a NIOT?
Is the jury going to have to have the “Allen” charge ? Ugh thrice.
If we are going to start worrying. I think we should concern ourselves with #7 Paul and #16 who I have renamed Jolene. http://s17948.p858.sites.pressdns.com/2013/04/13/jodi-arias-trial-juror-descriptions/ But only if it is time to worry. Which I don’t think it is. I think the HLN people are like the weatherman during tornado season screaming WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!
Q ? Can the jury argue over Felony M1 vs. M1 Premeditated w/D.P.? – Oh, god, suddenly my insecurity is fogging my memory. ~ Really ~ Can they hold up for that ? (I didn’t think so – so could this be out there for 2nd degree ?) – ok I need to take deep breaths – (they know it wasn’t self-defense) (that’s why Nurmi changed it to a CRIME of PASSION – changing rules @ end of trial is cheating) RRRRR ! – It is the 1st time they’ve gotten to talk amongst themselves.
Feel your pain.
Sickened by thought that, somewhere, Casey Anthony is holed up watching, giggling like a fiend.
M1Premeditated and Felony Murder are two routes to the same death penalty. They can be split between PRE and Felony and it’s fine.
Go look at the jury charges thread It’s at the top.
Thanks Tamara, I’ll go back and read it again. I was having a panic attack (ha) from my childhood buzz word “worry”. Just needed to hear it from you too.
As JM pointed out so well, she is actually guilty of both.
http://s17948.p858.sites.pressdns.com/2013/04/13/jodi-arias-trial-juror-descriptions/
Jurors #2 and #9 a cocola buddies.
Yikes!
(AND DID I HEAR THAT THE DEFENDANT JUST TWEETED??!!)
Yesterday’s news, apparently.
A bit of a digression: Of all the JA trial threads, I love this one the most — so thank you, TT, you honestly can now add current trials to your repertoire. So many of you are so well spoken and have such awesome commentary. And, beauty of beauties! No bashing one another! This last point means a lot to me.
Oh I bashed a few. I’ve found in the JA threads if you just ignore the flurry of 27 moderated post about why posts are moderated that works well. And in the Reality threads I just call God and asshole and sit back and watch them duke it out and only the strong survive.
Oh no, I’ve said too much.
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Tamara Tattles
🙂 You are perfect as you are, TT. Remember, you can only be you, not anyone else. There’s a certain beautiful liberation in that. Trust me, I have found it!
OKAY IT IS OFFICIALLY TIME TO PANIC. Five jurors have gone for a walk with a guard to clear their heads? Sounds split 7-5 to me.,…
PANIC!!!!
F
WHAT !! (Walk away for 10 min. to get coffee and) was this just on HLN ? Lets see – its 3:30 ish AZ time. It CANT be 7/5 – it just CANT. So out of all the jurors – did WE lose 3+3 ? Could it be true ? Couldn’t be more than 1 or 2 for JA’s A-Holes …oh bad example… She Snapped? – Bull S__t !
No, they’re thinking he played along too long, he played w/ her that last day, he had his way w/her when he wanted to, called it quits on his terms, then flip-flopped? (Question mark.) Not heat of passion, but, what’s its twin, in midst of sudden argument?
They aren’t getting the stunning premeditation??!!
I think we have a 7-5 split with 7 for 1st and 5 for 2nd… I’m going to go try and figure out the spilit.
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Tamara Tattles
No, they have smokers on the jury……no need for panic lol
Yay!!!!!!!
Then they’re probably not morons, er, mormons. Any of them drinking coffee or coke?
At least 2 of the jurors are smokers…me, too. I would definitely have to smoke a cig today if I were a juruor.
Something I’m thinking about — G-d bless this jury for taking their time – as they very well should. Four months of testimony, so so so much to sift through, so many grey areas to discuss. I want these folks to truly “deliberate” on the mountains of testimony and exhibits and minutiae presented. They are, and they are wonderful for doing so.
I want them to take their time, to pore through and discuss everything. This way, the collective final verdict has more meaning, more weight. Bless their hearts!
Vinne just said (from After Dark which I don’t like) said it’s the MEN… I say it’s a chromosone problem. Never Dance with the [She] Devil in the Pale Moonlight, Guys.
If its a gender split, maybe the guys figure they know one when they see one – and they see Travis as a player. Who got in too deep, played too long. If so, they’re not focused on the premeditation. They’re seeing a crazy lady snapped.
The five who went out came back smiling and happy and are back I am trying to get gender, numbers, something… But my in court sources for the most part MISSED IT!
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Tamara Tattles
Don’t hurt yourself, Tamara. I think we’re gonna really need you whole.
I don’t think it has anything to do with who has a penis or a vagina. It has everything to do with sorting through the hot messes of witnesses to see and agree upon any reasonable doubt.
Adding to this complication is Nurmi’s closing statement which was scant on PTSD and abuse and long on “crime of passion,” which — curiously — never entered into his and Wilmott’s case. Defense curveball!
Im really tired of them saying that the men are going to have a hard time convicting her of murder 1 ! .. WTH! im sure men are happy that they have not been murdered by a psycho ex gf .
and i cannot watch hln anymore . all these headlines on nancy grace are about is the defense happy , is jury getting ready to acquit jodi , cant it just be that they are taking there time and will still make the right decision ? (i really hope so)
OMGoodness! The jury is going home for the night! I hope this is just a decision on the DP or Life WOP!
coastalkitty, Do you think they’re talking about the sentencing already? I didn’t think they would or were even allowed to do that, until the penalty phase. That’s just my impression, not anything that I’m really sure of.
They are not allowed to consider punishment in this phase of deliberation. Only guilt or innocence. The punishment phase will come later.
kh
Apologies, I meant to say that I hoped if they were leaving, they had already made a decision that would warrant either the DP or LWOP. Hopefully, we will know something today.
The only thing that can be surmised is that they did not reach a consensus right off the bat with the first vote…
wow.. I can’t believe that HLN is basically coming out and saying that the jury is having a tough time agreeing on a verdict! I am hoping that they are just working thru all the evidence methodically because I can’t for the life of me imagine that anyone could consider Jodi not guilty of first degree murder!
Me too! I hope I’m so totally wrong! I want her to suffer, just as Travis did as she slaughtered him!
Y’all realize you are falling right into HLN’s little trap right? They don’t know any more than we do.
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 8:46 PM, Tamara Tattles
Wisdom at its finest. Thanks, TT. Yes. I feel that this jury is not going to rush a verdict because the media is slobbering for it. I respect them enough to know they have to slog and slog through days of testimony and exhibits to make linear and logical sense of the events before they reach a verdict. I said over the weekend it may be through Wed. and a couple of the HLN legal-eagle talking heads are now saying Friday. What’s another day or two since January 2?
I’m thinking that, even though I’d have made my decision during the trial, I’d still want to go through evidence, just to be sure. That’s a serious decision to make. I wouldn’t want to go with my first impression, which is what I usually do, and then realize later I’d not paid attention to a detail that would have changed my mind. That’s serious stuff.
I’m also really fascinated by how people change their minds during deliberations. I haven’t heard a good story of how this works. JVM had someone on earlier who was on a jury in a similar situation. 11 voted for guilty and 1 woman insisted on seeing everything over again, and she had a bad attitude, too. Then she called in ‘sick’ a couple of times and the foreperson had to tell the clerk about it. An alternative came in and they all voted guilty.
Anyone here been on a jury where there was a big discussion over the verdict?
I hope you’re right Tamara!
I know. Sorry Tamara, I think my want for a just decision overshadows my patience. Normally I take everything HSN speaks with a large grain of French salt,
Whoops! Meast HLN! Guess you know I shop too much!
HLN will say just about anything to keep viewers on the edge of their seats. I’ve seen both Nancy Grace and Jane Valez-Mitchell pretend like they didn’t know the answers to questions I knew they’d gotten the answers to earlier in the day. I guess they have to find something to say, with all the time they have to spend on the air, waiting ….
Yeah mon. I was pretty dejected and then listening to semi-hysterical Nancy G and Jinkasaurus I just wanted to drink heavily and get fetal. But at the end of Drew the two ladies (Katie and Stacey) made more sense and were calmly positive so … whether they be wrong or right I am going to believe them and hope and pray that the jury does the right thing and puts that she-devil into the DEAD SATAN HIT PARADE at #1. Oh and in the midst of my despair it is very nice and reassuring to know that all a younz are here at TT. MAMA…. BABA.
totally agree about Katie and Stacey-felt much better myself after listening to them. Nancy Grace is usually unwatchable, but I was switching back and forth from Stanley Cup playoff games and her show tonight. How about Jodi TWEETING insults to Nancy? Wow. The girl has some big, brass balls.
Bwaahaaahaaa! Adam, you are a gem and I (for one) will be very sad if you leave Tamara’s blog after the verdict! That wit is amazing!!!
There’s no place like home …there’s no place like……oh and I hear coming soon Karen Kelly’s trial. And it sounds goooooood.
I tell ya, that Katie sounds like a professional commentator. HLN is NOT paying her, but as a non-attorney and non-doctor, I think her input is outstanding. I would hope that HLN would offer her a contract to attend other trials and continue to give her insight. Being a “regular person,” she adds balance in a way all of us non-attorneys, non-shrinks can bond with.
agree with you completely so much rather hear her or Stacey then one more fawning “Behavior Bureau” suck up question to Dr Drew…”is Jody Arias bad Dr Drew?” DOH! Katie and Stacey talk truth (I hopes).
Well I’m tired – so – for all the more tomorrow. Would someone please get a hold of me right away – ONLY if Arias tweets out her suicide !! (Ya, I went there) Yukk. Otherwise it’s all worn it’s welcome out today. ~ So Tamara’s Tattlers… till noon or 1PM. – Chins up !! and send out that “justice mojo” while the jurors sleep ! And Salute’ to all the good work and support for each other. ~ really thanks.
Just a side note…I saw Deanna on Dr. Drew telling how she came to take care of the dog one time when Travis was away and found Jodi there baking cookies and using his laptop…she was creeped out at Jodi who only spoke to offer her a cookie like a stepford wife. I wonder how many times Jodi did stuff like that, how many crazy stalker stunts she pulled, that nobody noticed.
i saw that and i laughed wen she said “do you wanna cookie O_o?”
I think verdict will come down Friday. I also think some of the men are viewing JA as a woman and DP is hard for them to give a woman. Just my thoughts on it… I think a man would have a harder time giving a woman the DP than they would a man. I say fry her ass, but I’m not on the jury.
Verdict today???????????????????????// ……………
Just putting it out there – heard last night – the grouping of jurors that came outside yesterday were jovial BUT there was 2 male jurors trailing behind the group. Reported 1 had his head-down & solemn – while the other came up behind him breifly – then joined the group. Apparently they were both #7 and #18 male jurors “as described – the 2 that sits in the front row left !” It was #7 acting left out and #18 seeming to accompany him out. … Who knows ?
Salt peter, should they have handed out salt peter ?! – Ears to the tracks & eyes on the prize ! – Another fool day !
12:15 PM ~ HLN said they’re about to do a jury profile+ graphics to discuss who may be holding deliberations up. – This may be as little as we know – but what the hell. Since they rotate segments over & over – I’m sure they roll it again.
HLN doesn’t know if anything is being held up at all. The jury is deliberating. That’s what they’re supposed to do. It was a 4 month trial. They have to talk about what the heard, the evidence, the jury forms………… I don’t think its unreasonable that the are still deliberating.
kh
PS: If I was on the jury, I’d sentence Jodi to death just for making me sit through all that bullshit for 4 months. There’s not enough brain bleach to erase those images or unhear all that shit. But that’s just me.
Ditto. What khintx said.
Verily!
“Maybe they’re just still plowing through the evidence,” says Beth. Best case scenario, I think. Concerned there’s more to it. Impossible to know.
Hits home for me that we, over time, have had access to so much more information than the jurors; have composed fuller pictures of both victim & defendant, based on myriad details re: before, during & after the crime itself; have generated many ideas & much discussion… To me, premeditation is crystal clear, ABUNDANTLY obvious from just the bare bones (gun theft, car rental, gas cans, overkill etc.) Yet, maybe it’s really the sum total of details & impressions (those that made it into the courtroom, plus those excluded) that shines such a hot light on the bare bones for me? At this point, I’ve lost all sense of whether or not the facts speak for themselves.
Afraid, too, that the spectre of Travis, himself, could undermine juror confidence in 1st degree. If it gets under their skin that Travis could have called cops, extricated himself more forcefully, thrown her out immediately & in no uncertain terms that last night… to me, such a shift in focus from perpetrator to victim would be tragic, unforgivable; however, I feel it could happen. Travis’ own commissions & omissions (which I feel are interesting, but utterly irrelevant) could get all muddled up w/ the evidence & cast some flaky sense of “reasonable doubt” over the whole thing. I don’t know.
Heard the Deanna cookie story last night & more reports of “tweets from jail as jury deliberates”… I put, perhaps, too much stock in this kind of sick sh*t. Sad, indeed, if the jury comes back w/ anything less than 1st degree. That Arias should glean a single iota of moral victory would be grotesque.
I’m right here with you all on jury watch, am hoping for murder 1 . It’s as if our justice system is on trial ,we can only hope for the best. I enjoy all of your comments and thank Tamara for her time. While on this jury watch I did some surfing and found out some scary things . Clancy Talbot who was a friend of Travis,was in a very serious atv accident 7 days after jodi was arrested . A tree branch went through her stomach and she is really lucky to have survived. There is an article about it. Also Josh Freeman committed suicide the day Jodi was arrested . The Freeman family knew Jodi well . there is also articles about his suicide. Almost seems like a Final Destination movie in some respects Jodi was a black cloud…
I did know of the suicide, but didn’t realize Clancy Talbot was in a serious accident. Clancy is the girl JA accosted in the ladies room for hugging Travis while taking a photo. JA did the whole “That’s my man” thing to Clancy who was either married or with her boyfriend.
HLN has too much time on their hands! They just did a whole segment in which they compared everyone in Jodi trial to family members. Juan was the “In-Law”. The experts (DeMarte, Samson, LaViolette) were the “out-of-Town Cousins” etc. Shoot me now.
VERDICT IN – VERDICT IN !!!!!!!!!!! 2:35 PM
VERDICT! YEAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KH
I guessed right !
linda,
i agree about HLN…..with the exception of beth karas, they are a bunch of bozo’s.
vinnie politan and those stupid intro’s he does…..
Jury verdict in! Will be read at 1:30 PST
HLN just announced there is a verdict. Going to be announced at !:20 eastern time.
Oops! I just got so excited. I meant 1:30 AZ time.
There is a verdict – announcing it at 1:30 AZ time, 4:30 Eastern time.
They’ve reached a verdict!!!
VERDICT IN ABOUT 1 HOUR !!!!!!!!!!!! now it is 2:40 PM EST
they said verdict at 1:30 , so eastern time is 3 hours difference, so it would be more than an hour……at 4:30 pm
Verdict at 4:15. Oh, my goodness. It’s on friends. Thanks for all the sharing and caring here at TT’s place. We’ll talk later today.
oh geez, there is a woman crying outside the courthouse.
i think she needs to go home and fix her teeth
OMG, my sister Eve. I was having thoughts while watching her. I might suggest a valium would be in order. Hang in there girl, it’s on!
Irrespective of verdict: Thanks to Juan, Det Flores, prosecution witnesses, friends of Travis, posters, TT! What an experience. Won’t forget any part of it.
Best Wishes Alexanders, Friends of Travis, Justice.
With you Jane. I want to think that if it were terrible (manslaughter) it would take longer because foreman would try to talk them out of it but….UHM Casey Anthony… so… YOU GUYS RULE. Whatever happens TT has been an oasis of thought, intel and cool folk. Danka Anka
God I hate this part for all the families. STOP crying on TV we dont know THE VERDICT YET ! – Heading for the bigger TV and cup of coffee. Whew ! So how about jail house TWEET TWEET now ? 5th Floor please.
Co-sign on that, stop the damn stranger crying! LOL, they just said “Jodi is in the basement and they are bringing her up”.
Those courthouse groupies are a tad freaky, aren’t they? As for a jailhouse tweet or two, I think JA is too busy filling her big girl panties.
What will JA be wearing today? I say the little white peasant blouse. Another commenter said it looked like her baptismal outfit when she joined the Mormon church. Sure that’s how her mind works. .
Peachteachr – That was me. I thought the white was subliminal for religious purity x3. Didn’t get much reaction at the time though, ha. I wondered too – thought she’d wear black – in mourning for herself (pretend for TA) but it just brings out her eyes to look more shark-like.
I’m going to try not to bite my nails to the nub waiting for the verdict to be read. JA is getting a massive migraine right about now, her PTSD (bs) must be thru the roof today!!
Justice for Travis!!! Let’s repeat this mantra all together, now!
So does anyone think the majority jurors had to move a few off of 2nd degree ?
Jury is about to enter the court room ….. here we go. Justice mojo…. here’s goes for Travis and that awful awful night. ~ Thou Shall NOT KILL ~ Godspeed
Yes yes yes!!!!
Outstanding I am shocked…. Wow. You all rule. I would like to think that the TT vibe was a little part of the KARMIC shock waves that JodiLa is experiencing right about now. Has been a joy and an honor and look forward to the penalty phase will a younz at TT.
GUILTY! So says a jury of her peers. We’ll watch the penalty trial but in a few years, when they deny her appeals, JA will be a blurb in some news article that we will no longer care about b/c she is getting hers. Justice for Travis Victor Alexander today, 5.8.13.
One other thing that occurs to me is that while I depise Jodi she is what she is. The ones I really have unalloyed hatred and disgust for are the those SKELL Defense experts ghouls. Laviola, Dick and even the last one knew full well what they were defending and did not give a fig. La La Jodi is PTSD, Abused, misunderstood and I LIKES HER!!! Would like to have scene La Va Lamp when the light of justice shined on the open wound that is Jodi. Gosh!
No one will convince me that Jodi Arias is anything but a very disturbed unbalanced person in need of serious medical help. If she is supposed to be an intelligent person who premeditated the brutal slaying of a man she purported to love then she made an unbelievable mess of it. She had no defence because she systematically destroyed any chance she had and she had prepared no credible alibi to boot! Everything she has done and said seems to have been designed to ensure that she would be convicted of M1. Maybe that is what she wanted then she got it. but is not the action a sane person would take. The whole thing is non-nonsensical. Why has she been imprisoned for 5 years without a full psychiatric assessment. Jodi should be in a psychiatric hospital not a prison.