Looks like we might need a place to talk about tomorrow’s Jodi Arias trial. I am going to open up this post for conversation. My sleeping issue has me “in a fog” 🙂 today so I am a bit slow on the uptake. The attorneys are all in court today in closed hearings presumably hashing out the last minute details of jury charges, perhaps arguing about the limitation on the surrebuttal as it seems that the Defense wants to ask their pysch witness about whether or not the gun shot happening first would have incapacitated Travis. Also, Juan has someone lined up for a possible sur surrebuttal regarding the question of which came first the gunshot or the stabbing. Personally, I have not been convinced either way on that issue.
Let’s chat about the daily drama here and I will put up a new post for the surrebuttal action tomorrow. This is sort of a catch all thread. Let”s try to avoid death threats and violent threats toward others here. 🙂
We’re in the homestretch – thank goodness! Can’t wait for tomorrow to see how the defence witness handles cross examination. I don’t think Juan needs a sur- surrebuttal. The jury has a picture of the multiple defensive wounds onTravis’s hands to show he was fighting for his life before his throat was slit. That should be enough, imo, to discount a brain injury before the stabbing. Plus, there was no blood on the floor where she claims she shot him, before the fog started rolling in. The blood was in the sink where he staggered after the first knife wound to his chest. When that didn’t knock him down, she stabbed him in the back – 9 times, I think. The coup de grace, slitting his throat ear to ear, came in the hallway where he was staggering to get away from her. He fought or his life, but was no match for her when she took him by complete surprise while he was naked in the shower.
Um, I hate to admit how stupid I am, but here goes. I needed you to point out that the defensive hand wounds were from the knife battle. I mean I GOT that, but for some reason my foggy brain didn’t register that that fact means that he was alive during the part so it came first. However, if the gun shot didn’t cause immediate incapacitation… oh Lord, I am right back where I started.
I don’t know why this is so hard for me to get a handle on.
I agree with you. The variables are causing a headache. The one thing that is a fact is that she killed him and then she lied about it and so much more. Has she shown her true evil self? We can only hope the jury can see through the “fog” and sentence her to the DP.
Don’t know what to think re: dragging him back to the shower.
Maybe that’s the storyline she envisioned during her psychopathic pre-planning? Or, maybe, simply that she hadn’t anticipated the extent of Travis’ defensive struggle or the bloody aftermath strewn throughout, so, stupidly, tried to drag all evidence back to the shower stall to make it look like he’d been surprised there?… But, alas, that train (as they say) had already left the station. The suite was a bloodbath.
Hard to figure. Despite her apparent talents in certain areas (gas pumping, makeup artistry, journaling, role-playing, bold-face lying…), Jodi is astonishingly stupid overall. Maybe she thought it’d be a tidy, true-to-script caper? And, when it wasn’t, just started trying to correct things & made some bizarre choices?
Honestly, it beats me! I might even trade 1st degree/life without parole for full elocution IF ARIAS WASN’T SUCH AN INCURABLE LIAR!!
“Jodi is astonishingly stupid overall.”
Exactly Jane
Seriously, Tori! It’s said that narcissistic ego causes stupidity to ultimately undermine intelligence in psychopaths? Or something? I don’t know, but makes sense.
And, above, I kinda meant that murdering him in the shower was her original fantasy plan, and the resistance & widespread bloody scene took her by surprise (causing her to go off script.) But, christ, who knows, who knows… Nothing I come up makes sense. i can’t imagine doing anything but running start raving out of there, having a heart attack on the lawn, deliberately falling on my own knife… Any attention whatsoever to detail, any ability to micromanage (after all was said & done) simply doesn’t compute in my brain.
…come up WITH… STARK raving mad… (queen of the typos?)
heh. Jane used a moderated word in this post. I’ll let y’all guess which word it was. 🙂
I’m such a dunce, what’s a moderated wor?. Posting is TOO HARD – I keep getting in the doghouse!
Heh. You are not in trouble at all, silly. A moderated word is a word that causes a comment to go to moderation, meaning I have to manually agree to post it. I have a few of them. Most are regarding things like personal information on some commenters who have stalkers (not even kidding) and others generated by WordPress. I have a few sources for information I do not find credible so I include their names in my personal list.
I just thought it was funny. I think people who will get the moderated word would too. Sorry it was sort of an inside joke for people who… oh lord… I am over explaining. If you want detail you can email me. I should have just put it through without laughing about it. 🙂 It has nothing to do with you, whose comments on JA I very much enjoy reading.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. Couldn’t have stated it better myself.
I think placing him in the shower had a double purpose. I’m not sure whether she washed him out of love or to get rid of evidence. But, I do believe she placed him there to decompose and make use of the drain and closed up bathroom. Sorry, I tried to find a more gentle way to make the shower comment.
I think your shower comment is lovely, peach.
Especially, the juxtaposition (I’m surprised Jodi didn’t employ this obnoxious term in her testimony)… the juxtaposition of “placed” (so tender) with “decompose” (a tad raw) and, then, the syntax “do believe” preceding (lofty, spiritual)… The “washed him out of love” launches a whole other rocket.
I’m just playing with you! I just really liked your post…
Look forward to seeing everybody’s thoughts tomorrow. You guys are great!
“Jodi is astonishingly stupid.” I’m with you gals, Tori and Jane. Her 119 IQ ain’t no Einstein as she likes to think. It’s barely high normal. I have got all my favorite snacks, bloggers and cats gathered together for our most special day tomorrow. I’ll meet ya’ll right here for a nice iced tea and some conversation while we get to our entertainment from ms. Jodi, ms.,Willmott, and mr. Nurmi. Leave all your excuses at home for the big day!p
I’m not sure why the gunshot came last. Maybe it came somewhere in the middle when her initial stab to the chest didn’t kill him, as she hoped. I can’t remember where the casing was found. Was it in the middle of the bathroom? Anyway, he didn’t go down easily, no matter which came first. Of course, the more blood he lost, the weaker he’d become, and I imagine it was quite simple for her to eventually slit his throat. I think she did lose a fair bit of blood herself and that’s why she dragged him back to the shower to wash it all off to leave no evidence. In her perverted mind she left no evidence. But for the photos in the camera (that she thought she’d taken care of), and the bloody palm print on the wall in the hall, she may have gotten away with it – for a little while longer. She was very surprised when Flores told her they had found it.
YES, Babs! “In her perverted mind she left no evidence.” And wasn’t that astounding in the interrogation how she actually, in baby voice no less, tried to negotiate/navigate her way out of the palm print! As if she could “enlighten” Det Flores re: the options he should entertain. As if she & Det Flores were colleagues or co-authors, figuring out the plot of a fictional murder mystery! Crazy! And the way she said “couldn’t I have… couldn’t I have maybe… ” BINGO! Places herself at the scene of the crime in her VERY efforts to deny she was there!
That little camera was instant karma. She thought she was getting away with murder. Imagine her shock when Det. Flores said, Jodi, we have pictures of you being there on that DAY.
Yes!!! And…
Detective Flores, “Let’s just say, I’ve seen all of you.”
(Poor Jodi. Imagine her tumult. Hmmm, should I be scared shitless the jig is up? Gosh, I’m just too tickled to have been seen in my brazilian!)
the gsw to his head definately hit frontal lobe of brain……….this is the “personality and intentional action” area…………where and how it pivoted around his brain after that was indeterminable…………not cuz science doesn’t know, but because decomposition of his brain was too advanced to figure out the path of the trajectory…………but the limited view i saw of the entrance wound showed that it could NOT have NOT hit his frontal lobe bullet wounds do not only ricochet off of surfaces within the body depending on caliber, closeness of impact, etc, but any energetic projectile immediately releases TREMENDOUS energy into all of the surrounding soft tissues………..no WAY he was just a little shaken up by the GSW to his head. My education and experience in GSW (as veterinarian) is that the less distance the bullet traveled, the more energy that it released into the soft tissue surrouding its path. Hope this makes sense.
Thanks, docwall! “… the less distance the bullet traveled, the MORE energy it released into the soft tissue SURROUNDING…” (physics – the energy HAD to go somewhere?)
Son (physician-scientist), like you, says decomp would make it difficult to document path; nevertheless – anatomy/physiology being what they are – it’s absurd (ie: UNreasonable) to think that the bullet missed the frontal lobe (considering entrance hole, trajectory, terminus). Lack of discernible blood in tissues along bullet path would indicate Travis was already dead, heart not pumping & well on the road to bleeding out from previous catastrophic injury/injuries.
NOT self-defense.
Perfect sense. No way would he have had the strength to fight her off as long as he did if he had been shot first – not to mention tackle her and chase her down the hall.
I wonder when Arias decided to change the story she gave LaViolette about shooting him in the closet? I don’t believe LaViolette misspoke. I believe Arias changed her story as she went along – tailoring her story to fit the evidence.
I was just curious about all the fuss regarding whether the bullet hit the frontal lobe or not. So, I googled “photos of the frontal lobe of the brain”. The images are simple, clear and tell it all. Based on where the lobe is located, there is no way the bullet could not have passed through it. Just as the ME stated, the bullet entered the head, the lobe was between the entrance and the point where the bullet lodged.
The image I looked at leaves no question, I wonder why the ME or Juan Martinez didn’t show an image in court…or did they?
I have a habit of over simplifying things, so, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
I think they read your comment smitsa.
I’m going with she startled him in the shower, began stabbing and got enough in fast enough to weaken him so his defense was weak, then slit his throat. Then later came the shot to be sure he was dead. I think the shell being on top of blood and the lack of bleeding puts the shot last. I saw the video of her reaction to the pic of his throat. Her stare and open mouth to me suggest she did not realize how deeply she cut his throat. She was in a rage and panic to clean up and most likely shot him not thinking she had cut so deeply, and she isn’t a doctor, so she was paranoid he’d survive. Cold cold bitch.
She slit his throat at the end of the hall where he bled out and left that that huge pile of blood. Then she dragged him back to the shower and shot him in the head as an afterthought. I believe it was then she started thinking about setting up her story and thought she could say she shot him first, knowing nothing about how evidence works.
Personally, I’ve always felt like the gunshot came first. I think she only had ONE bullet. I think she shot him in the shower to minimize the messiness. I don’t think the shot immediately incapacitated him and he probably stumbled to the sink where she started attempting to finish the job with a knife (which she brought, just in case, along with the gun, since she only had ONE bullet). I think she cut his throat while he was standing at the sink (explaining the splatter) and then followed him down the length of the bathroom stabbing him anywhere and everywhere she could land a blow. To me, it’s not even really material which one came first. I believe that she went there with every intention of killing him and I believe she planned to cover her tracks by doing it in the shower and hopefully washing away all of the evidence. What I don’t think she planned on was Travis fighting so hard to stay alive. I hope the jury finds her guilty and that her punishment is swift!
Lawana, if JA shot him with her grandfather’s gun, he reported that it had 6 bullets in it.
no way could Travis have crawled down the hall after his throat transection………maybe after the fatal chest blow, but maybe not even for as long as that would take………….it makes me so upset to think of him literally crawling away for his life as she continued to stab and stab and stab………the sink splatter could have come from any of the chest stabwounds that penetrated his lungs………not necessarily from GSW….maybe Jodi used up some of the bullets with a little “premeditated target practice” prior to her arrival at his place. or the gun jammed, or????
I think they said that the gun may have jammed. Remember when she was telling the story of the two intruders, she said he had the gun to her head, but it jammed. I think in her lies, some of the truth is intertwined, she thought that would be enough to make them believe her crazy story. I think she was going to shoot again, but the gun jammed, she ran to get a knife while he was at the sink, and started stabbing him in the back, and then all the rest.
May she burn in HELL
Ah, this is my favorite part of organized religion. We can root for our enemies to burn in hell, secure in the fact that Jesus paid for OUR sins. It’s HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE FANTASTIC!
If you listen to Travis’ story the night she was laying in his lap about having the gun to his head and almost dying, he said that the guy’s gun jammed. So, to me, the part of her story that was true was that she copied TA’s story. Her ninja story to Flores is almost exactly like the story Travis told that night. SO CREEPY!
Here’s my thinking… I think she came at him in the shower with the knife first, he tried to fight her off… At some point she whips out the gun, shoots him, he’s still moving, she then finishes him off slitting the throat…his adrenaline is pumping and he makes his way slowly down the hall where he dies.
What is the point of dragging him back to the shower? Why wash him off?
Ive heard someone on Dr. Drew say she washed him off to remove her own blood that dripped on him from the cut on her hand? But idk thats not really convincing because i wouldnt think much of her blood would drip on him anyway?
Who knows!
also there was a cup in the shower, so she wanted to rinse him off, why ? i dnt know, shes an idiot.
Or maybe there was so much blood, she could not her see her accomplishment! Maybe it was a ritual thing in her head….
O my god, I think you hit the nail on the head!
Probably was ritual, she was into Wica or some kinda evil s#it…
Wash away evidence maybe? Maybe hide his body from the roomates?? I doubt we will ever know the truth of how it all really happened.
I truly believe we will eventually find out exactly what happened on and leading up to the day Travis was killed. Jodi loves attention. After her conviction.. and after all her appeals have been denied, she will finish her book; and do as many interviews as she can. Due to our double jeopardy laws, she can tell (the real story), and not have to worry about being charged again. (please correct me if I’m wrong about the law.
Though she certainly deserves it… my gut tells me she won’t get the death penalty. I believe the borderline personality disorder diagnosis will help save her life.
Plenty of people on the planet have BPD. It is not normal for people with BPD to kill people. BPD is not insanity and should not be considered in sentencing at ALL. It is cause for understanding why she did what she did. It’s a prosecution point. Not a sentencing mitigating excuse.
She was trying to erase only the evidence that SHE was there. She washed only the places where she thought she would leave evidence. Remember she is a big TV watcher and probably wanted to get rid of “epithelials/DNA” as a “forensic countermeasure”.-hence putting the sheets in the washer with the Camera. I was mulling over why she bought two tubes of Ban Soleil and two things of facial wash @ Walmart—then I thought “Cancun”. She gave him one last chance to take her to Cancun and when he said the last “no” she went to plan “B”. The sex was to persuade him to take her while he was showering and that’s where we have the last shot of that look on his face saying “I told you over and over” /Plan B- she grabs the knife and the first stabs were the torso in the shower. Also I stumbled on a arias Trial FB page across this youtube of Dr.Geffner on femal domestic abusers @ the 35:00 mark he talks about how women abusers kill with knives and guns!! https://www.youtube.com/embed/yzkoiNQWaFA check it out. This is the DEFENSE’S witness that is testifying in the surrebuttal tomorrow.
Thanks, Dane. Just watched. Experienced, effective public speaker. Fluent in his specialty; fluid in his presentation (which was genuinely interesting, informative.) A dedicated, likeable guy.
Ugh.
In addition to talking abut women abusers killing w/knives & guns, he lists PSYCHOPATHOLOGY & PERSONALITY DISORDERS (on overhead slides no less) as risk factors for perpetrating domestic violence. Somehow, I doubt he’ll be underscoring those factors, much less linking them to Jodi Arias in tomorrow’s lesson.
So, his obvious task is to cop to DT strategy, stretch criteria (based on lies & deviously taped material taken out of context) to frame Travis as perpetrator… even though, in his OWN PROFESSIONAL CONFERENCE LECTURE, the knives/guns-psychopathology/personality disorder profile (intact, unadulterated) screams off his overhead projector and points to Jodi Arias.
How is this happening? (Wake me when it’s over… )
Tamara, I believe JA intended to kill TA in the shower to keep the scene as clean as possible. In her rage she may not have realized how bloody the bathroom was but her mind was locked on killing TA in the shower so she dragged him there. I believe washing him was an after thought when she cut herself. This chick seemed to have a thing for knives. She slashed TA and Lisa’s tires and she had two knives in her bag when she was going camping or running away! I believe she stabbed TA first…up close and personal.
Did anyone watch HLN’s after dark last night. Vinnie Politan had the report of the call that TA made the second time his tires were slashed. I wonder if JM can bring that up in his closing?
We don’t know how much Jodi followed ID channel investigations. But there is something called “Locard’s Principle” which dictates that there is always transfer of evidence during the commitment of a crime.
If JA would have shot TA in the shower, would there have been blood splatter on the shower wall?
She used a water glass to wash the dead body off in the shower after the murder. There are pictures of the glass in the evidence photos. that’s why she dragged his body back to the shower where he was found.
I think she had planned for him to die in the shower. No blood anywhere but down the drain if he stayed in the shower. But, he got out of the shower and fought for his life. That pissed her off. She has to be in control. She has to be the one with the last word, the last action. So, she dragged him back to the shower to show him who was in control, even though he was dead, she just had to have that power over him one last time.
Link to blog about new possible Prosecution witness…
http://mixedbagblog.com/2013/04/30/state-to-call-another-witness/
Impressive! And from Louisiana! Since I’m from Louisiana y’all know I’ll want to see her in action! Will she testify for sure, Tamara? Oh wait…I see ‘possible’ prosecution witness…
I hope Juan does trump the defense’s move with even a better Brain Doctor (Dr. Hayes). If so, I can’t wait to see how the defense tries to cross examine hand her.
Hey Rose, I’m also from Sweet Lou.
Thanks for posting my blog!
What was that stupid phrase: two snaps, a crackle and a pop – in regards to Juan calling someone else after the defense! Go Juan!
Tamara, I am with you on the order of the gun shot! Further, I don’t even see why it matters considering any of his injuries would have disabled him enough for her to get away. The fact that she continued her assault and in such an extreme manner is all that matters. It doesn’t matter if she shot him first, last or sometime in between.
The wounds to his back and chest were more than enough – to allow her time to – run her whore ass out of the house. People forget that fact…..people only want to concentrate on the order of the gunshot. It doesn’t really matter in the end. Damn.
Only Jodi sympathizers would care about the order of the gunshot. I sure hope the jury isn’t so narrow minded.
I’ll never get over all the people who think that buying two tubes of sunscreen points to Cancun. I do think this whole deal was over the Cancun trip, but if I was on the way to church revival or a homicidal rage and I stopped in Walmart in Arizona in June, I would be picking up sunscreen. It’s one of those things you forget you might need on the way to kill some dude in the summertime. It’s not important.
If she killed him to keep him away from Mimi, Mimi had changed her mind anyway and was no longer. I hope she doesn’t think her IQ results imply she’s some sort of genius b/c she is the dumbest dumb ass to ever go on trial. Let me purchase all this gas, borrow gas cans, turn off my phone, rent a car nearly 100 miles from my house….how she didn’t think all of that would be suspicions is beyond stupid. Coincidences are one thing, but the facts speak for themselves.
Genius is 140 and above. I’m in the low 160s and believe you me it causes problems. But I have never and will never murder someone because my vag was denied a ring on my finger.
I shouldn’t say anything at all here, but I will just #cosign
Re: Cancun- It strongly establishes Motive. The Ban Soliel was purchased in Salinas, CA. Cancun is in the 1001 Places to see book that they tried to visit as many places in the book while they were “in love” I think to miss that trip as Travis’s plus one was a huge deal to her. It fits her psychopathology.
I just read a post where someone was questioning that they heard that Dr. Geffner was “dismissed from University of Texas for ethics violations”.
Lots of info on his lack of credibility after reading his book reviews on Amazon, but I hope that Juan has this info on the ethics violations in Texas if this is the case!
My Alma mater doesn’t play that bull, lol, remind me to tell you all the story of how a professor flipped out in class one day. It was scary and funny – and I’m sure embarrassing for him….chat with you all tomorrow. Good evening all….
Isn’t the good doctor also somehow associated with LaViolete?
yup. It’s gonna be a bloodbath when Juan gets his turn.
Is it bad to want to see that? Am I becoming another Jodi..lol! I may need therapy.
I think JM’s cross of the good doctor is going to make the cross of ALV look like a walk in the park. I can’t wait to find out what the judge did to ALV for lying.
Heard he wrote intro to one of her books & sure seems they occupy the same niche re: psych practice. Interested to see how Juan crosses tomorrow.
Check out mixedbagblogdotcom for information on Robert Geffner. Is the defense serious? This is the guy they want to tear apart Dr. D’s testimony?
According to Jeffery Evan Gold the defense wants Geffner to rebut Dr. Horne’s testimony about the brain injury, as well.
So Geffner is a medical doctor. A brain surgeon?
Well….since we saw the “Psycho” movie comparison photos, and they were on the money – I was thinking maybe Jo-DIE had convinced Travis to re-enact the movie so she could take photos….and she had the knife just like Anthony Perkins in the movie did, so Travis wasn’t too concerned about it until it turned real…. Just another thought.
I don’t believe the psycho reenactment stories. I think Travis thought she left and he got in the shower to wash her off him…
Yeah! Ewwww jodi stink!
Whoops! Should have been Yuck!
I do feel sorry for any males in the investigation team including JM. Having to see her busted-up, skanky, poop-colored vag and bunghole would likely turn any male gay.
Speaking of her busted-up, skanky, poop-colored vag and bunghole… I am watching Nancy Grace and they are re-playing the Judge asking Jodi the Jurors’ questions.
One of the questions was “if you take photographs of everything, did you take photos of the spiderman underwear?”
Jodi said she did not take photos of the spiderman underwear because “that’s embarassing.” WHAAAAAAAAt? I would think the pic of her vag and bunghole sticking up in the air in a close up photo would be way more embarassing.
What a liar she is!
i was watching the Flores interveiw with jodis dad last night and he said the day she was arrested she had packed the rental car to visit Darryl and Matt that she had something for them. I wonder if that is what the other two knives that were in the box of books were for. They BOTH knew she was up to something and helped.
Which two knives steve?
Steve, am I totally misunderstanding or does this imply that, on day JA was arrested, she was headed off to commit 2 more murders (did she plan to kill all the “men in her life?) And, by the “both’ who helped, do you mean her mom & dad? If so, heart-stopping ( & interesting)!
Yes steve please continue…So she had a gun and knives ready to go on a trip with two men?! Wtf. Why isn’t that mentioned at trial? A woman who just had to use a gun and knife to defend herself in a horrific ordeal doesn’t just pop the same weapons in her backpack later…(let alone even go out camping with men if she had been so abused and attacked by a man). That crazy ass was up to somethin.
At trial she said she got the 9mm ’cause she was going camping w/ some guys & she was going to be the only girl there, that she wanted some protection. LOL the guys were the ones that were going to need protection…
Reinacted the movie.She had the knife there to take a Picture’s She really stabed him..would on hand defensively wound. He stumbled to sink..shes stabbing his back he tries crawling down the hall.hes dying as she spits his throat..hes dead. Gun shot a cover up somehow played in her head! Drug him to shower to get rid of her Dna…lol thanks Jodi for leaving the camera!!!
Tori on july 15 she was arrested. She had rented a car and the Yreka police had watched her load stuff in it. They found some clothes and stuff. One box had books in it. In that box was two knives and some 9mm ammo hidden inside. I never found out what kind, ie kitchen or hunting, of knives they were. She also had a glock 9mm pistol hid so good the cops missed it. I was thinking that Darryl and Matt knew stuff about the mesa trip and maybe those knives were for them. That way couldnt talk
Steve, you are probably right in your thinking about Jodi heading out to kill someone. She had the same go-pack (knives and a gun). According to her Dad, she was heading out to see the two Darryl and Matt. Which one loaned her the gas cans?
Sorry guys… my message didn’t make any sense. I guess I’m really sleepy.
Good night.. Zzzz.
Steve, so she was planning another trip???
O, Steve, you mean Daryl & Matt knew & aided (re: my question below or somewhere)!!
I thought you might mean that she was headed off to KILL them next.
… which would mean that she was away on a bonafide Andrew Cunanan SPREE.
… which ain’t no stretch – he was into a similar nude photos, fluid age range, on & off with the fake glasses, rabid jealousy thing… not to mention the penchant for road trips.
EEK a mouse!!
Jane – lol re Flores saying “I’ve seen all of you”. Priceless!
I heard Sky Hughes tonight on Dr. Drew. She and her husband have cleared up the email stuff. She said that the reason she told JA that she wouldn’t let her sister date Travis is because he had committment issues… not that unusual for kids who grow up in bad homes as Travis did. They described a night that they caught JA eavesdropping outside their door as they spoke with Travis twice in one night. Sky also said that JA panicked if TA got out of her sight and got mad if he wouldn’t look deeply into her eyes. They KNEW she was bad news from the beginning. They were afraid for her to be in their house b/c they were afraid she would hurt their children. They are in the process of setting up a non-profit in Travis’ memory to provide books for kids in inner city schools. Oh, and Sky said that the defense had almost 5 years to fine even one of TA’s ex-girlfriends to say something bad about him and If there was one out there we would have seen her in the defense’s case. See you all here tomorrow; I’m expecting fireworks from JM.
Tomorrow is sure to be an interesting day, I may have to break down and watch the direct feed (I have a limited number of monthly MBs and video eats ’em up quickly)instead of be driven knucking futz by all that “bill-paying” on HLN, or taking the chance that things will spill over into Nancy’s ego-driven hour and she will do her usual blather over the testimony. ~sigh~ As much as this has been a fascinating spectacle, I do look forward to being on the other side of the verdict, and watching interviews with those poor long-suffering jurors. What a sacrifice they have all made.
Earlier tonight one of the trial shows put that (censored) crotch shot of Jodi in pigtails up and I hit the pause button for closer inspection. I haven’t read anyone’s comment about the look on her face in that photo but, even slightly out of focus, it reeks of animosity. No pleasure, no lust, no soul, just naked seething hatred. That look alone should have alerted poor Mr. Alexander that he needed to watch his back. Neither eyes nor brain in that “other little head,” alas.
Lots of illuminating commentary at TT’s blog, thanks as always for the forum.
It’s on! Guess JA has decided the little white peasant blouse is her best look.
Peachteachr And lining up her stubby little pencils with that smirk on her face!
Wilmont needs to hurry up going through all his wonderful resume! Boring so really boring. She should have sprayed her bald spot better this morning as it is shining really brightly- a little distracting as we listen to how wonder I am as a hired gun Doc.
sorry- wonderful
Look at her gramma :/
Yep, she should move it along. The defense has a bad habit of putting the jury to sleep. Don’t they have someone watching for them and telling them when they are losing the jury’s attention??
Right. Made me think she may be obsessive-compulsive, too. Just think, in a few years she’ll be another 40 year old overweight inmate, and no longer get by with the young ingenue look. Makes me happy to think this. We will no longer care about her. She’ll just be a blurb in some news story about appeals.
Peachteachr I so hope you are right!!
Looks like she’s wearing makeup again! Somebody should her that she can’t hide EVIL! That’s a stain that even mortuary makeup can’t cover up!
It’s no longer white, it looks a little dingy. I guess the washer was a little crowed with cameras and bloody sheets..lol.
Chris and Sky Huges and Deanna are in the courtroom today with TA’s family. YEA! Dr. Geffner has been sanctioned by a Ca. court for submitting a report for a woman when he actually never saw her or read the reports. Jm is going to rip him a new one.
I really wanna turn it off till Juan gets up there. She is trying to discredit Demarte & her “practice. and license”
Willmont sounds a little happy, as though she has struck gold. I suppose maybe she has, when you compare this doctor to Samuels and LaViolette,,lol. But, I’m also waiting for Juan.
This doctor is well educated and experienced. But, the facts are the facts. Jodi planned the murder, carried it out, admitted it and is now wanting to just go home and draw.
Yes, she has mental issues, but, her defense wasn’t smart enough to claim that at that upfront.
So… what is the purpose of this testimony other than an attempt to make Dr. D. look bad. I still don’t think the PTSD won’t fly.
Why do they keep showing Jodi’s mom, aunt and even granny smirking and laughing? They should be thrown out of the courtroom for being disruptive!
[HLN – too many commercials] WHY IS – JA’s entire family grinning ??? The shrink hasn’t even started yet ? Nervous, maybe ? Are they all BPD’d ?
Jodi and Willmott both seem to be on happy perky pills today. Willmott is very grinny
So is Juan calling his other expert too ?
Oh – I get it. – All SMILE… It’s a ‘team jodi” Ruse… like putting your hands together in the huddle !! It’s all a state of “mind” remember ? Let’s all go out there and get that nasty ole’ prosecutor… Don’t worry – be happy !! WOW – Ya’ know, those damn Rules of DIS -Traction !
Don’t you think some of that is power of persuasion, think happy and the jury will believe you are innocent??? If the defendants family and counsel are all smiles, the jury will be tricked? They must think the state of AZ are idiots.
“How low can you go? How loose is your goose?” don’t ask JA that though, we are least know the answer to that. blech.
Hi to Tamara & everyone ! ~ So Looking forward to great minds meeting here again. Just wanted to say – First impression – JA’s white peasant blouse… Very much resembles LDS baptismal clothing. Projection = Purity – purity – purity !! (She’s always striving for the BS factor – ha!) She looks smug too.
Shes so trying to discredit Demarte right now ! UGH!
She is trying to insinuate that the longer in the profession the better. Don’t think it will fly for this jury-as I think they really liked Demarte -not that may questions from the jury and the questions asked were respectful unlike amount of questions and quality of such for ALV and Dr Sam.
I hope the Jurors minds are made up & dnt let this dude sway them .
I’m pretty sure, at this late date, their minds are made up. I honestly believe the verdict will be quick.
The jury liked DeMarco. They know Jodi is a liar. This guy isn’t going to make a difference.
I really hope not Daryl
The problem with having so much education and training over such a long period of time is you get comfortable with all of your prior knowledge…. and often don’t keep up with the changes, updates,etc. .
Agreed. Where as someone not too long out of school would be using newer information and tools. I for one prefer younger doctors for that reason.
So all the better for Dr. D a newly minted and up to date Doc.
Exactly. What about the other expert Juan has signed up, is she testifying today also? or was it not allowed.
I can’t believe that people will find this guy well educated. He’s the President of Fiddlesticks at Azbeckstain University of Guacamole. Yes, he is…
And that, is why I like this site. Tamara, I think you have missed your calling…lol.
Hilarious!
I think U of Guacamole is here in Texas!! Shout out! Hehe TT!
Blah, blah, blah! Remember the judge said they would stay all day today if they have to. JM is objecting a lot today.
Good thoughts to TT as she battle injustice in court today, too.
Maybe if trial goes past 4:30 Jodi will get another OH OH I Have a really Bad Bad Headache. The only one she can blame it on will be her new Doc for hire and Wilmont going on and on about how great and educated I am.
Got a feeling if she tries that today the judge is going to say that she has the right to participate in her defense but she does not have to be in court to do so and this train is moving on TODAY!
I imagine that now with 4 1/2 years of coaching, Jodi could give the “correct” answers in her sleep.
Dear Lord. Please let’s move on. I bet Juan is dying to jump this fool.
Blah Blah Blah. He’s doing okay but it doesn’t mean anything. Wilmott thinks she scoring points by asking about his OLD credentials.
Now trying to discredit DeMarte on the validity scales….LOL….
All shes trying to do is discredit Demarte, i think it shows jury how scared they were of her testimony.
ABSODAMNLUTELY!!!
UH OH! Did Dr. just say that if the person lies it invalidates the test? Dr. Dick said that JA lied on the PTSD test but it didn’t change the results. If I were on the jury I would be furious with JW for dragging me back through validity and all this junk.
Does anyone get the feeling that Wilmott is second guessing her decision to have this guy on the stand? I don’t see where this is going to help the defense – not that I care…. but it’s just a big waste of time.
I feel this surrebuttal is a mistake on the defense’s part. By his own admission, he has never spoken to Jodi or anyone else, or reviewed anything associated to the case. It comes across as a desperate attempt by the defense and indicates that they will hire any hack to save their client. It also casts shade on their own previous experts.
So he spent no time with Jodi ? has he said that? cause i have it on mute till Juan is up.
Yep. She directly asked him that question and he said, “no”. He has not met with Jodi.
yes that what he said. He has never spoken to her or reviewed any material on the case other than the test.
He didn’t meet with Jodi ??? Then why did everyone have to wait till today for this hack to be available ? WT…..? So how does one trust any “doctor’s” opinion if they don’t see the patient ? …Rrrr ! No wonder there are people like Jodi wandering the streets with weapons.
I think that is what I heard him answer. My ears perked up and I am sure Juan’s did as well.
Wow.So whats his purpose , Juan is so anxious to get up there !
Tori I wish I could turn the sound down but I guess I am a little like Jodi in that I have maybe a “Morbid Curiosity” about what is being said. Remember that comment in the police interview and Sky’s and husband’s story last nite about her getting out of bed and listening at the door twice as they were warning Travis about her?
haha Conni NO never use the words “i guess i am alittle like Jodi” !!!! lmaooo . But yes i seen that interview, Sky & Chris seem like very nice people ! I have it open on another tab, and keep checking till i see juanito up !
Since he didn’t speak with her or reviewed any other material other than the test. Why on God’s green earth would he want to testify and then have to go up against Juan? Oh yeah! Arizona $$$$$$$$
Seriously, Seriously! (Hope Juan just stands up & says, “So. And you’re here, why?”)
Why recess?
Oops! Having problems with the computer. He’s not familiar with a touch screen.
Does that sound familiar.
Well, this dead horse has been flogged repeatedly. Teehee…even Jodi is done with this dude.
Lol. I bet she wishes she was back at the police station. At least there she could be doing headstands or something.
Or, rummaging thru the trash can.
Yep. Jodi looks like she might start shaking like a chihuahua if she doesn’t get back to her coloring book soon.
[email protected] for insisting on copyright issue. Did she use to work for Pearsons? Because the rest of us don’t care as much about that as say… a man getting murdered in his house by his crazy ex… just saying…
Think I got part of what the defense is doing. Lots of media people said that JM made JA sympathetic when Dr. D diagnosed her as BPD, but i did not think so. Maybe the defense is going with the media and trying to show JA has mental problems in hopes of saving her life. Almost all of the experts, for and against JA, say that saving her life is a victory for the defense.
Jodi’s diagnosis of BPD doesn’t show that she’s mentally ill. It shows that she’s a selfish, lying narcissist who has no empathy for her fellow humans and sad little dogs who might grab her garbage bag.
Yes, MaR, Manipulative Pathological Shrew period
I tend to agree with you PeachTeachr.. so that means we’ll all be SPARED a long and grueling Mitigation when they go for Murder 1? I mean haven’t we all been there & there again & again. OMG ! More crying & stringy hair. 🙁
I miss Juanito
Zzzzzzz. Boring….. No new info.
Eagle Strength????
So funny… (see, the puns just make themselves…)
So how long is this recess? I wasn’t paying attention. Is the dude done?
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Tamara Tattles
Ten minutes, said Judge Sherry.
JW didn’t want to admit the dr.’s notes and JM said yes. I think they just recessed to review the document and I saw JW turn over the info to be marked as an exhibit. JM won this one. They’re back.
Oh how I wish he was DONE!!!! One for the “Juan Man” getting the document in as an exhibit!!! Maybe the Judge is getting stronger??
Thar she blows! He spilled the water…LOL
I’m watching on WPTV like always and my video keeps backing up a sentence or so here and there and replaying it. Is it my connection or is this happening to everyone?
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Tamara Tattles
Tamara, I’m having the same problem.
Me, too. Fits his testimony perfectly….I’m going to call it the Gaffner Effect.
Teehee!!!
That’s been my link for the whole trial. I am not having problems. They are getting lots of rain in south Florida so that may be the problem.
Missed it (wouldn’t you know)! Excruciatingly boring. Turn away frequently… but, had I known there’d be actual dexterity testing… !
And he just discredited Dr. Samuel. ” You don’t start with an hypothesis. You administer some tests and then when you have an hypothesis…” Enough said….
LOL…Wilmott is struggling….uh….no not help….I’m not getting the answers I want, let’s try again.
Yep. I don’t think Wilmont knows what the…. she’s doing. She asked him to explain something, he explained it – then asked if she understood. She said. “no”, so he had to explain it again. Not good.
Wilmont is trying to show that Our Good Dr D used the wrong test to diagnose BPD! I say NOT!
Is she almost done!! damn !
Don’t know, but get on up there Juan Man and do your thang!
I suspect, she may finish before lunch….lets hope. Is Juan still schedule to bring in one more witness?
Dnt know Smitsa, ive asked a couple times about Juans expert i guess no one knows!
Oops! Is Juan scheduled to bring on another witness?
Dr Gaffner ran out of Grecian Formula or Just For Men before he got to the moustache.
The mustache is probably where he hides all his crumby secrets, lol, like being affiliated with LaViolette.
Ready for an exciting day in court, we are in the home stretch, boys and squirrels! Hope y’all are having a great day!
-SweetTea
Listening to JW is like torture…..back to his credentials. Wonder if he will mention his association with LaViolette?
You have to be kidding. But, you know Juan will bring it up.
Her lilting babytalk trip!! I feel self-injury coming on if someone doesn’t get the shepherd’s hook out & DRAG HER OFF STAGE!!
Dr. D. asked Jodi to think back to 2007 and 2008 and answer some of the questions. JW asked if that was a good idea. Dr. Gaff thought it wasn’t. He clearly doesn’t know, Jodi can remember what color socks she wore on picture day in the 2nd grade.
She said during her LOOOOOONG 18 days of testimony the she had a very “good” memory only not so much on the day she “did away with Travis”. She didn’t say it that way though- just gave the date.
I keep seeing JA looking sideways at someone across the courtroom. I think that she is rattled by the Hughes and Deanna. Don’t you just know that they are very near the top of her kill list?
Spooky.
I’m wondering if Juan will show the differences between the two tests (TSI -1 and TSI-). This is a big deal to Wilmont.
Hope jury catches newest test out 2011 killing in 2008.
Connie, I believe Dr. D. tested Jodi in 2011 or 2012.
Oh yeah. Said she used older test cuz her place hadn’t bought new test yet. Probably not much difference in two tests.
I say take Jodi, Willmott,& fucktard Nurmi out and shoot all the fuckers…
I’m betting that JM knows exactly what has been changed about test l and test ll. As a teacher who tested yearly, the test may be changed only slightly to be called an updated test.
If he says Jodi doesn’t have BPD – then that’s even more reason to give her the DP.
Did Dr. G say there could be more than one diagnosis, but, not just BPD. I tuned out for a moment.
Boy does JW have a real hard on for Dr. D!
Ah, for once, coming out of sidebar, couldn’t the Judge just say, “Sorry. You may NOT continue. Buh-bye.”
peachteach, Aren’t you glad you aren’t giving the CRCT this week? I saw on the news some principal showed up to work drunk and was arrested in the parking lot. I automatically assumed she was the Ass Prince in charge of testing. So Stressful. The last year I gave the test we were told to list all of our students as Hispanic. I pointed out that was deceptive and the Ass Prince said that is how the new rules say to do it… SMH. Sorry for offtopic rant. I’m having CRCT flashback and palpitations…
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Tamara Tattles
Hell yes I’m glad not to do that EVER again! I’m working on not cursing, but the CRCT brings out the worst in EVERYBODY! Poor poor students and teachers trapped inside No Child Left Behind!
Peachteachr- I knew for some reason that I had an affinity for you. I am a retired Elem. teacher who missed most of the No Child Left Behind crap- Thank the Lord. My district was Meade 46-1,SD not flush with money so slow putting into effect. Retired in 2001 for medical reason.
Ooops! Something happened to my reply. Hell yes I’m glad to NEVER have to do that again. The CRCT brings out the worst in EVERYBODY! Poor, poor students and teachers trapped in No Child Left Behind.
I’m trapped between your twin replies 🙂
This guy seems to think that he is speaking some foreign language that only super smart people with a PhD can decode. It’s psychology, you fucktard. We are not splitting the atom here.
He also testified that he reads “very thick books”…………. He must be an expert! kh
He does seem like a Harry Potter fan…
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Tamara Tattles
HLN doesn’t seem to know what the word ‘live’ means.
LOL @ Nancy Grace and the rest saying ‘Let’s go back into the courtroom live. I’m hearing that the sidebar has ended.’ Stupid and ridiculous
LOL or court is done for the day by time Grace N Dr D show airs. It’s about $$ and ‘s watching.
… with the hand cupped all shock-n-awe around her ear likes it’s the pioneer days of broadcasting & she alone is channeling the battlefield over radio free europe… what IS this?! (You’d think the Twins father would pull aside & say, Nance, you know, that’s not reeeally working for ya…)
You mean video of testimony 5 hours after court was dismissed for the day is NOT live?
I love how they then complain about the length of the trial. It may be day 54 in real time but it’s day 310 on HLN. Then to add insult to injury, they throw in these “special interest” pieces in the middle of the broadcast. WTF?
NOOOOOOOOOO… I knew the tigers & bears would come back to bite!!
Anyone hear the blonde “human lie detector”‘s take on the judge last night on Dr. Drew? Sry, forget her name. She thinks due to body language and how many things Judge Sherry has allowed JA and defense team to get away with in court, that she could be on JA’s side at least slightly? Glad it’s the jury deciding JA’s fate! I like the Judge, but she could have held control of the courtroom better. JA and her team do whatever the eff they want, slump in their chairs like children in detention, touch each others faces/hair to comfort, color & scribble, write and rewrite manifestos, it’s appalling. Any thoughts on her opinion? I’m on the fence.
Seriously! The “fucktard” (sorry, had to borrow, TT) just floated the concept “date rape” & JW just did a little clap of her hands… whatever the “eff” they want!
Just wait till our hero Juan gets his chance. We shouldn’t worry too much. He has been so good on redirect.
You’re right…. breathing, bereeeeeeeeeeeething…
Not a lie detector body language specialist, but my take is she is timid and afraid of retrial. Doesn’t want anything to come up on appeal.
Yes SweetTea, I saw it. I think the Blond Lie Det has issues of her own. I tune out literally everything she says. She talks too much, is too hyper and generally makes no sense at all. However, I do feel the judge is very soft, or simply doesn’t sweat the small stuff.
She certainly goes off topic on his show quite a bit, I agree. Her analysis of JA’s body language during this trial etc. was pretty interesting, that’s about it. She’s making us talkative Geminis look bad!!
What? Lmfao 😀
Don’t get me wrong SweetTea, being talkative is fine. The problem with the Blond Lie Dec is she talks so fast, and so much while constantly switching topics. Separately, each would be o.k. Collectively, it’s annoying. I think Dr. Drew brings her on for entertainment purposes. Have you noticed her time on is short-lived.
Agree, smitsa. Hyper Blonde rubs me the wrong way. Can’t figure the Judge.
I talk extremely fast, I actively have to slow down. I do try to stay on topic during a conversation, but I’ve definitely been told i talk fast. Being from Texas, my accent gets lost. Weird. I’ve been told I sound like a Yankee, umm no! Y’all y’all yous guys… Damn it !! Lol
That body language specialist is kind of a whack job. I do believe in body language, but her interpretations are usually very far off the mark in my opinion. I think she is just bending over backwards to prevent too many appeal possibilities.
Also, oopsy on the fucktard. It just slipped out. giggles.
Goodness. I just saw. I agree with you TT. I think Dr. Drew needs to get rid of that body language “expert”. I think I’m a better body language expert than she is. I bet some of those other “experts” cringe at some of her comments. I know I do.
(jeez… compared to the high octane ear-scortchers re: Housewives, I’d say we’re pussyfoots over here. Said before, with this trial, the word play practically makes itself – can’t be too hard on ourselves for channeling every now & again.)
I do not like that lady on Dr. Drew (the human lie detector). She always makes everything about herself. She had to tell how she was a da victim. The question about JA dying her hair … She had to relate it to herself and her changing her hair color frequently. Watch her and see if you agree. I can’t take too much of her. And I don’t agree about the judge being partial to defense. She almost has to be very careful when dealing with defense because they will appeal almost anything. I thought she almost could not hide her disgust towards JA when asking jurors’ questions.
Ugh, that chubby “human lie detector” is grating and annoying. Plus you can tell that she thinks she’s all that. She isn’t.
TT. You need a like button.
Here is what JM is going to say when he finally gets his shot at this defense witness. This is a post made by someone named LMK at a message board who looked at several of his previous cases where there were problems… http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9045&p=501665
Hendershott v Westphal:
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On February 28, 2009, Dr. Robert Geffner, a Licensed Psychologist, reviewed Dr. Silverman’s report and completed a forensics consultation. Dr. Geffner noted that Dr. Silverman’s report failed to account for the children’s problematic behavior before or after visits with Jesse or Jesse’s difficulty managing his anger. Dr. Geffner also noted many red flags for potential abuse, including power and control issues he claimed were disregarded by Dr. Silverman. Dr. Geffner concluded Heidi displayed many behaviors and traits of an abused woman and recommended Jesse undergo psychotherapy with an abuse specialist.
snip…..
The court reviewed the opinions of the trial witnesses and stated, “[t]he Court finds that Dr. Silverman was the only professional person who performed and completed a parenting evaluation and that his final evaluation followed accepted standards which support his conclusions and recommendations.”
The court tossed Geffner’s testimony because it was incomplete.
O’Rourke v O’Rourke:
In this case, Geffner attacked other psychologists for using the MMPI in a family violence case. The court ripped Geffner up. See pgs 8-10and 15. Dr. DeMarte used the MMPI-II and other psychological tests to evaluate JA. Dr. Geffner will try to shred Dr. DeMarte’s competence and credibility. He will not succeed.
Quote:
In his affidavits, as well as during nearly a full day of trial testimony, Dr. Geffner challenged the use of the MMPI and other psychological tests by Drs. Bernet and Walker. He stated that questions of domestic abuse and family violence implicated a specialized area of psychological practice which required a totally different testing regimen. He testified that he himself was an expert in the area of family violence and abuse, as shown by numerous publications he had authored and by his participation in professional societies that focus on those areas. These included the Natural Resource Center on Family Violence and Sexual Assault, an organization he had founded and in which served as president.
Dr. Geffner testified that none of the other psychiatrists or psychologists involved in this case possessed credentials similar to his, and
he declared that the lack of such credentials rendered any opinions they might have as to the relative fitness of Father and Mother for parenting responsibilities suspect at best. He also stated that when a mental health professional conducts an evaluation outside that professional’s expertise, it raises serious ethical issues. He accordingly recommended that Mother file ethics complaints with Vanderbilt and the State Licensing Boards against the other mental health professionals involved in the case. What a narcissist!
snip….
The court likewise excluded Dr. Geffner’s testimony in Hawaii v. French, 129 P.3d 581 (Hawaii 2006), which involved allegations of child sexual abuse. In State v. Supulvado, 655 So.2d 623 (La. App. 1995), the court limited Dr. Geffner’s testimony because he mostly relied upon information supplied by the defendant and because although he is not a medical doctor, he tried to testify about the effects of brain damage on emotional functioning. Dr. Geffner acknowledged that he has testified in a great number of cases, but stated that he did not remember very much about the facts of those particular cases.
snip…..
Turning to the testimony of Dr. Geffner, the court declared that he had adopted Mother’s “scorched earth” tactics by not only attacking the conclusions of Dr. Bernet and Dr. Walker, but also their ethics. The court stated that Dr. Geffner’s testimony was “. . . completely without merit and that he truly fits the definition of a ‘hired gun.’” In light of Mother’s “relentless attempts to convey her bad opinion of their father to these children,” the court concluded that the only possible way for the children to have a relationship with both parents would be for them to be with Father.
I cannot find evidence that the Natural Resource Center on Family Violence and Sexual Assault ever had an online presence. Very odd.
In O’Rourke, Geffner admitted that he only does expert testimony; he no longer sees clients.
Clark v Collins:
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18 Clark alleges that he was deprived of his sixth amendment right to effective assistance of counsel because his trial counsel unreasonably failed to conduct an investigation of his mental condition at the time of his offense. Clark contends that a reasonable investigation and evaluation of his mental condition at the time he committed the murders would have produced a compelling defense to the first special issue, whether Clark acted deliberately, and would have precluded imposition of the death penalty. This claim was raised in Clark’s first federal habeas petition, and resolved against him. He now re-asserts the claim, supplementing it with the results of a psychological evaluation of Clark conducted five years after the murders, and an affidavit of Dr. Robert Geffner, which relies heavily upon hearsay information supplied by Clark’s attorneys.
snip…..
22 The state trial court found that Dr. Geffner’s affidavit lacked credibility for three reasons: (1) the evaluation, which makes conclusions as to Clark’s conduct in 1987, was conducted five years later, in 1992; (2) Dr. Geffner did not review the court records or a transcript of the trial testimony; and (3) Dr. Geffner relied upon records from Clark’s childhood in Pennsylvania, with no records since 1976, and upon hearsay information supplied by Clark’s attorneys, with no independent verification of the information, and interviews with Clark. The state court further found that, even if credible, Dr. Geffner’s affidavit does not support a conclusion that Clark was either incompetent or insane at the time of the murders, or that he did not act deliberately within the meaning of the first special issue. The state court noted that Clark testified that he had not taken any drugs on the day of the murders, and found that Clark’s trial counsel had no indication that Clark was suffering from drug withdrawal at the time of the murders. Moreover, the state court pointed out that, in any event, evidence that Clark was acting under a drug-induced delusion when he committed the murders would have been immaterial to an insanity defense and “would not have conflicted with the overwhelming evidence of deliberateness.”
Hawaii v French:
Quote:
Dr. Geffner further explained that, in looking for red flags, he looks at all of the information …
snip…..
The trial court’s exclusion of such testimony was especially appropriate where Dr. Geffner had not interviewed any of the Frenches, nor had he reviewed the video of the French children’s interview with CPS
pages 11, 12, 29 & 30 ?( :crazy:
State v Sepulvado
Quote:
The defense also presented Dr. Robert Geffner, a psychologist and president of the Natural Resource Center on Family Violence and Sexual Assault. He evaluated the defendant and reviewed records from Dr. Moore and Ms. Bruce. He testified that defendant suffered from “post traumatic stress disorder” (PTSD) and “dependent personality disorder.” He concluded that the defendant probably had a learning disability and some brain damage. He further concluded that she was psychologically paralyzed and suffered perceptual distortions. He admitted that he was not a medical doctor and that “it was not clear to [him] if at the time [of the offense] she really did not know that what she was doing was wrong.”Dr. Geffner relied on information provided mostly by the defendant.
In rebuttal, Dr. Seiden, the state’s expert, disagreed with Dr. Geffner’s statement that a person with a battered woman syndrome cannot make a decision. According to Dr. Seiden, a person with such a disorder may be afraid to make a decision, but that is different from not being able to make decisions. Dr. Seiden also testified that a battered woman usually will stay and let herself be subjected to abuse, but will make a decision to leave when she sees her child is in danger. He said, in the instant case, the defendant was making decisions constantly because a decision not to do something is a decision.
1. TT thank you for update,2. what happen to resting? Love your site.
So, TT, didn’t he lie when JW asked if he had been sanctioned by the court at any time when he first began testifying today? I’m betting this jury hates him. BTW, if I had been attacked by a bear, I would not go to the mountains and if I were attacked by a tiger, I would not go to India. BIG difference! Bet the jury didn’t like JW using their question to Dr. D.
Y’all post lots of opinions. I have to run some errands and eat lunch. Be back soon!
Great cheat sheet, great read. Juan will use it to refresh at lunch! Thanks, TT!
I left the room for a bit to escape the Wilmott Monotony…..i guess this is lunch….or did she finish with Dr GAFFner?
You probably missed this awesome, professional expert burb and spill water all over the stand what joke where do they get this clowns?
Awaiting moderation?
In commemoration of 25 yrs, Mike Galanos was just presented with his very own red 5 gallon gas can.
I just love people!! (We’ll give HLN a tiny break for that.)
Did Dr. Geffner pass gas? While he was speaking, there was a weird noise and then he said “excuse me”. I read that earlier, he burped on the stand? He musta had some spicy food for lunch. Not a good idea if you’re gonna testify in a death penalty case.
OK, so if I actually DO split a gut (it’s likely I just did), do I come after you, Me, for damages, or is TT (as host) accountable?
Oh Lord, I’ve already had to take up a collection for one lawsuit. I can’t afford to replace anyone’s guts! 🙂
Duly noted.
MeMy, I heard him, but I wasn’t looking. I don’t know if he raised up off his seat when he made the noise. It sounded like a burp. Let’s hope.
Probably passing gas, he seems full of it and keeps gassing on, as it were.
I’m curious, just how are they going to get to closing arguments tomorrow? It seems the defense is dragging this experts testimony out in such a manner that it doesn’t seem possible that the prosecution will have time to cross this witness today, so will the judge allow it tomorrow? What about the sur sur rebuttal by the prosecutor?
OMG- I’m sick of this bozo. He’s not an M.D. – right? If not, isn’t there something againt him testifying in the capacity of an MD, a fine, anything?
Um, I hate to admit this, but I am believing this guy’s testimony about the bullet wound.
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Tamara Tattles
So TT. Let’s just say he is right about the bullet wound. That would determine that TA could have been shot first. Does that get her off the hook, even though she slashed and stabbed the hell out of him. We’ve been in a few circles, and I’ve forgotten the relevance of which came first.
OMG!!! Ditto!!! So JW is trying to get this quack to discredit the autopsy that a medical examiner did. Whatever! JW s____eating grin while she questions him makes me want to vomit! And why does he keep saying “yes ma’am”? He’s not younger than her & she deserves no respect! Please hurry & redirect Juan! You’re the man!!!
He just threw Dr. D under the bus, saying she doesn’t have a good understanding of how the tests she gave JA should have been used.
Doesn’t hesitate AT ALL to go out on the limb. He’s even giggling. Ugh.
He is testifying in the capacity of a PhD. Totally legal.
Per this expert you would think the bullet in the head would be like a bee sting, or a hurt FINGER.
Sure glad they have unlimited funds for the parasites, maybe they can send this bill to State of California for payment
NO! You may NOT approach. You may ONLY retreat, Ms. Willmott. In fact, stand down immediately.
Omg, I loathe the defense attorneys, not because they’re defending Jodi (I work for a death qualified defense attorney) but because they’re so inept and tone deaf.
Again, the Dr. G didn’t meet with Jodi, or review all the documents…. so his opinion doesn’t matter to me.
I would give him a lot more credibility if he was completely thorough in his review. My guess is, the budget would not allow it, and the judge would not extend the trial. Therefore, he simply couldn’t get up to speed on everything. So., he is talking out of his a… rear end.
This guy has same mannerisms as LaViolette! He is also acting goofy at times, chuckling, etc. How can he make a hypothesis if he never treated Jodi????????????
I can’t wait til Juan brings up his past testimonies in court. He is passing them off as not really a big deal and that he was never impeached for his shoddy testimony.
Also, I was watching Jodi when the camera was on her. She is definitely not writing any words. It looks like she is just making little sketches or doodles. By the way her pencil skips around on the page, she is just trying to keep the crazy in!
OH GOODY!!!! JUAN IS UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well alrighty then, we are off and running!!!
Heart rate just went through roof.
Juan has me nervous, he has his attach dog suit on and he is going for the jugular.
…using Tamara’s cheat sheet!
Useless testimony none of which changed any facts in the case. Juan is going after him good. Jennifer is breaking her leg objecting, but to no avail….thank goodness.
Wait! I actually moved slothfully to do five minutes of productive activity and during that time Juan started his cross? Jeezus.
Stay put TT. This is going to be good!
The murdering beeyotch is back to drawing and coloring and ignoring the proceedings.
What she is doing…is…draaaaw…ing…soooo…verrryyyyy….slowwww–ly……
What a psycho.
She is using her right hand, isn’t she left handed?
She claims to be both. But yes, she is left-handed. She plays at being a righty when the jury is in there.
She does that when Juan is up.
Wow now JW is doing the same thing – shuffling papers and not looking at Juan or the witness…
This is just so much sloppiness by the defense. Why did they waste everybody’s time, yours and mine included, with testimony from Dr. Fog and LavaLamp? Why wasn’t Dr. Gaff the main witness for PTSD etc? Oh wait a minute, it’s because he didn’t actually administer any tests or talk to La Arias.
If I were on this jury, I would be starting to feel very resentful about having to hear about ALL of this crap again. I thought the surrebuttal witnesses were suppose to only have a narrow focus in their testimony? Now the defense is using up the whole day with their usual tactic of stall, delay, and bore everyone, leaving little time for Juan Martinez and his cross of this guy and then to present his own surrebuttal witness.
Sandra, don’t worry. Juan will handle it. It won’t take him long. He uses the jab, jab, jab, knock-out process.
I have no doubt at all, can’t wait for the disembowellment on national tv! I wonder if he will ever get hired again? Or destroy his career?
He has the Dr. on the ropes.
Who’s the WE Gaff keeps talking about?! “Yes, WE looked into it…” (PS: He appears to have put away his guffawing-talking act. Is that a Texas accent he’s got?)
Perhaps it’s the Royal “we”, as in “we are not amused”…
Gaffner could be Dr. Samuel’s twin! He is bumbling, stumbling and stammering when Juan catches him in a lie!!!!!!!!!
I hope Juan mentions that Gaffner is also using the trial to push his outdated book on Amazon.com.
Did anyone see the defense slam her pen down on the table after she asked to approach the judge.
Yes, I saw that smitsa! Also, now Wilmott doesn’t even ask for the Judge to give permission to approach, she is out of her chair and heading up there before the Judge even says yes!
I also saw Jodi shoot the nasty evil death stare that the Hughes’ were talking about at Dr. Gaffner!!!!!! She didn’t even try to hide it! Hope the jury caught that.
Judge just sounded fed up w/ being “approached?”
Aww, JM has to go pee pee! Drinking water is a very healthy habit, but it certainly hypes up the kidneys and bladder.
Uh oh…..Jo-Die’s fingers look fine today….look at them.
Jodi just mouthed O My God?
YES! Saw her mouth that a couple of times today under her breath! I think she knows this charade is O.V.E.R.
Since Jodi is a waitress, maybe they should let her mop up all of Gaffner’s water spills.
She would probably expect a tip…
I like how Jennifer looks annoyed when her case is falling apart….shrugging shoulders….oh come on, she says, must we talk about facts?
Love it!
SCORE for Juan! The Doc just got so flustered, he spilled his water all over the place and blurted out “Oh, shoot!” Which almost sounded to me like “Oh, shit!”.
Juan is on a roll, cause this guy in no way, can get outta answering Juan’s questions proving that what he just testified to is NO GOOD! Hahahahahah!
Continually spilling the water is not making Dr. G look good. Have to say that I thought Jenny had been on the block long enough not to use a psychologist to diagnose brain injury. So say I got shot by a bullet today, or a nail gun, who would I want to see me at the hospital? A doctor of psychology or a medical doctor? Ummm, I think I’ll go with medical doctor.
Jenny probably couldn’t find anyone to get up there and say what she needed them to say. I’m sure many med docs have seen, read or heard of the case. Most know it is a disaster.
Dr. G’s eyes are extremely red… I hope he can stand the rath of Juan.
[email protected] JW. That last objection was pretty much, objection your honor, I’m not sure to what but I’ll make it up by the time I get there so may I approach?
I’m watching HLN so I’m viewing it in lag-time… but has anyone been WATCHING Jodi’s body language ???? I’ve been fast forwarding it @ i speed up and she has been using sexual touching on her LEFT jury-side since it trial started. She’s had her eyes on somebody (likely male) across, over and upwards JM desk. Caressing her neck, face, touching her glasses, flipping her hair, and doing alot of those gross tongue rolling in her mouth things, etc… At one point, she has angled her chair that direction. Her eyes and head keeps turning left so much at one point she had to get around her computer screen. !!! SHE’S ZERO-ING IN ON A JUROR. Especially when attorneys go up to bench. Whoever it is must have stopped looking back – ’cause she paused and pouted for right after lunch – but she’s at it again. ~ Watch !!! – I think Skye spotted it too. Anyone seeing this ?
I am watching live feed and when they were just at sidebar, the camera was on Jodi the whole time, she stuck her hand under her shirt and was maybe adjusting her bra strap or something.
I hope whoever this male juror is knows exactly what she’s trying to do, and anyhow, he wouldn’t be able to “enjoy Jodi’s charms so to speak” because she will be either on death row or life behind bars. I hope he is too smart to fall for her tactics!
I think she is off balance today b/c of the Hughes and Deanna being in the courtroom, and I think she is looking at them smirking. She has been doing this to TA’s family since the trial began.
She knows DT is dying &, so, is going whole hog w/ her own bag o’ tricks? Or they’re doubling-teaming the jury?
Damn, I’m not watching closely enough!
Has anyone noticed that JW’s heels are way too big for her ?
I like her suit a lot today, but I would have had it tailored at the hook so that it would not have been seen. So that the suit looked like it was held together rather than hooked. I can’t see her heels so well, but I did notice they were a neutral and I like.
yeah they are a beige color, and too big .
Do the people in the gallery not know how to chew gum with their mouths closed?????
It’s like watching cows grazing sometimes.
Remember, JM didn’t tear apart ALV’s reputation until the last few minutes of cross examination. If I were Dr. G, I wouldn’t get too comfortable.
I would LOVE to get ahold of Juan’s pads with his trial notes!
JW’s redirect is going to be deadly dull and rambling….I can hear it now….
Will there be time today? How long overtime did Judge said they’d go?
…SAY they’d go… (!)
Did Willmott just say “Beyond expertise”…… wow then why did she question him about the brain?
I got a phone call with a family emergency that went on for awhile. Of course, the minute I hang up, Juan says, “I have nothing else.”
Dr. G, unlike ALV, is not willing to throw himself on the bonfire of JA’s vanities. He’s saving himself.
Explain, explain (I’m stupid today!)
ALV would never back up from claiming JA suffered domestic abuse, she said Dr. Samuels’ testing procedures were within reason, and just generally made a fool of herself regarding TA. Dr. today is agreeing with JM when he is backed into the corner. I feel that he has harmed the case today and certainly not helped it.
Thx! I do notice that, but need to watch again.
Is this redirect sounding damaging to prosecution?
More cows grazing….
Wow I’ve never seen a ponytail AND a mullet!!!
This expert is not license in Arizona, do they have to pay him? Is’t he breaking the law? Perhaps the staff writing out checks need to consult with counsel, it sounds like secondary gain to me. Get the sheriff Joe involved, he will deal some Justice western style.
This is not fair to the experts who follow the rules.
Jodi is a mother’s, father’s, and society’s night mare.
I think before it is over Jodi will plant a wet willy on JW.
Just saying the chemistry is there.
SMACK.
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If I was a juror, I would be irritated by the whole synchronize your watches and don’t be late crap when they are NEVER, NOT ONCE called back in time.
Dr. Gaffe is talking about battered women and Jodi instantly went into her puppy dog, forlorn I am a battered woman, pity me! look.
‘Bout time for another styrofoam cup spill, isn’t it?
I’m disabled. I have chronic pain. Am I now a narscisstic borderline psychotic according to JW’s questions?
JA reaching deep into blouse, again, to fiddle w/ bra strap.
Bedbugs.
More scales……I hope the jury recognizes the WASTE of time this whole witness has been.
Thats exactly what me and my mom said “what is the point of his testimony again”
Good this is mind-numbing & I don’t see the relevance (can barely make out the words anymore bwaabwaabwaa)… but, does it give the illusion of Juan getting dinged?
meaning GOD, not good
Only in the baldheaded mind of Jennifer Wilmott.
Phew! Because my derimater is pierced & I can’t tell anymore.
Ok, this is about the 4th or 5th time I’ve seen Jodi stick her hand inside her blouse. I think now that she is maybe trying to “accidentally” show some boob to that juror she has a crush on? Wow!
Don’t worry, I think she’s falling asleep now.
OMG she’s doing it again…..
Ah ha ! – I thought she’d go there after all day ! ~ Seriously I’ve been slow forwarding her since trial began… just told my husband to watch for her neckline to open some more. What # jurors are sitting across the room past JM’s desk at a sharp left of that gaze ? – Oh my god, HLN is so eff_-ing far behind you guys – live streaming. Oh well – It’s 9:20 PM EST and I’m just now hearing JM’s questioning about “Question 14 / Trama Event… guess I’m Sleepy. Better than being Dopey, Grouchy, or the 8th dwarf – “Sleezy !”
I have laughed out loud each time I see Jodi and JW look away when testimony isn’t going their way, just like my dog does when he is caught doing something wrong.
I noticed it too. She’s been doing that for a while.
The jurors are asking some really good questions.
Yep. He even said that Dr. Samuels’ use of an old DSM book was not a good idea.
Nancy Grace is ridiculously rude to anyone who does not give her the answer she wants. I’ll not be watching her ever again after this trial.
Oh my gosh! Now Jodi is blatantly sticking her hand under her blouse and CARESSING THE TOP OF HER BOOB! What the hell is she doing? Is she now trying to seduce the witness on the stand? She is so freaking creepy!
Is anyone watching HLN. My brother just told me (according to Nancy Grace), Jodi is somehow selling her panties on eBay.
I heard about the panty thing a few days ago. I think that it was determined that it is not Jodi selling them, it’s a scam.
I’m so damn giddy when he spills water, I was waiting for Jodi to start cussing.
Please Judge, keep your promise. These jurors are ready to deliberate!!!
This is such a waste of time!!
Does the judge have the authority to cut the witness off, if they are going on too long or getting off the subject when answering juror questions. Or does she have to wait until the attorney’s object?
So, the good doctor was hired back in November according to his testimony? Didn’t the defense claim they needed this sur sur rebuttal b/c of new evidence presented by Dr. D? Wasn’t it around Nov. or Dec. when Dr. D’s car was broken into and her laptop stolen?
Yes, I think it was nov. or dec. very close to start of trial. Hmmmm, curious.
Come on. Dr. G. said, he was told by the defense that Dr. Demarte didn’t know anything about summary scales, or how to use them. Give me a break?
JW appeared ready to speak out in open court to refute that. He has placed her in a very bad situation. I guess she will ignore it and hope JM didn’t catch it.
Good witness for the defense….but too little too late.
I’m thinking he’s having some strong moments. Not convinced of overall relevance, however.
He can talk all day about the scales, old and new tests, books, etc. – but, he hasn’t look at any documents, spoke with anyone or anything. So., I do agree, it was a total waste of time. So much so, its made me angry…grrrrrrrr
Amen.
OMG shut up already…..too many words…..too much repetition….
Yes, he would have made a difference if they used him to evaluate and test Jodi in lieu of Dr. Sam and LaVivilaette..
Tend to agree.
Dr. G is using the word “exaggeration” when Juan is asking him if something is a lie. He is not saying it’s a lie, he is saying exaggeration (same thing if ya ask me).
Then, Juan asks him “Did you go to the Alyce LaViolette school of…” then Wilmott objected. The look on Jodi and Wilmott’s faces were PRICELESS!!!!!!
Witness is being dense DENSE DENSE….LOL…..
ROFLMAO!!!!!!
World English Dictionary
exaggerate vb
1. to regard or represent as larger or greater, more important or more successful, etc,THAN IS TRUE.*
2. ( tr ) to make greater, more noticeable, etc, than usual: his new clothes exaggerated his awkwardness
*caps are mine for emphasis. This does sound like the same thing as a lie to me.
To exaggerate results on a test would be same as lie on test, is what I am getting out of this.
Well done! Touché!
There’s no re-re-direct, is there?
What’s up w/ Jodi’s hand jerking/rolling thing?
Poor baby is tired…..don’t worry, Jodi….you’ll get lots of sleep soon…..
When I saw that Jane, I thought that she is trying to control her anger and rage in. Maybe she was subconciously “stabbing” the idiot witness and didn’t realize she was doing it? She has been doing some strange things today. She’s trying to hold the rage in, IMO.
BINGO! I bet she’s hotter than a firecracker! I’ve been watching since the trial began. She began to disintegrate about 10 days ago IMO. I’ve never seen her like today. Her chair is almost on the floor, she is whispering to JW constantly, in fact she appears uneasy if JW is not at the table with her, she is turning around in her low slung chair and almost smiling at someone, and she had to cover her mouth to keep from laughing out in court a few minutes ago during JM’s last cross.
I think she’s has been, too. In fact (& not trying to be cute, here), it’s as if the whole shape of her head, face, features have altered. Yes, as you say, the hand-rubbed-into-table thing looked like an attempt to control rage & impulse – I’ve seen guys grinding their fists in same effort to control impulse to strike.
Good call on the stabbing behavior, I noticed that too. And when she was drawing/writing earlier, it was with these big loopy and exaggerate movementsd. Maybe her meds wore off.
So do you all think this helped Jodi ?
and i missed the last bit, are closing arguments still starting tomorrow ? and did she say what time?
nope she is USCWAP (up shit creek without a paddle)
What did Jodi pop into her mouth now???? (Nancy Grace segment). Anybody else catch that?
TT, they have recalled your boyfriend. Oh, my gosh!
They’re back and Juan has hunky Medical Examiner Dr. Horne up on the stand! Goody!
There is no doubt in my mind that she tortured him with the knife first, gunshot last after listening to Dr. Horne’s explanation of the trajectory of the bullet, etc. No doubt in my mind.
WILLCOTT IS MAKING SUCH AN ASS OF HERSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And it’s such a BIG ass.
So it just went into the brain just a little bit? Yes, she is an ass.
All joking & unkindness aside, I think Willcott would find watching her trial performance on youtube highly beneficial. Irrespective of strategy strengths & weaknesses, she can’t possibly mean to come across as she does?
I agree! She is just making it worse for Jodi. And that murdering bitch is sitting there like she is traumatized by them talking about Travis’s pudding like brain. She makes me sick!
The two together….. yes, sickening!
Hey, it’s Wednesday. Isn’t Jodi due for another migraine? If she’s wearing her green shirt tomorrow, watch out!
Guess it’s too far past JA’s bedtime for her to work up real tears tonight. Dang, this judge meant until they were finished tonight.
Hurray for Sherry!!!
When they had the picture of Travis’s brain up there, this was the first time I saw any kind of emotion from Jodi’s mom that wasn’t smirking, smiling, laughing.
She actually looked like she was upset and crying. Maybe this is hitting home for her finally.
Saw that, too. Interesting.
My stupid Internet went out during most of that Dr, Horne testimony. UGH. Did they show us the brain picture?
Not us, I don’t think, but the court & gallery. Dr. Horne clearly found Willcott idiotic.
Jill Hayes is now on the stand. Forensic Psychologist. Did you all see Jodi giving her the once-over? She looked her up and down! I wonder if Jodi is jealous of the Dr.’s long blonde hair? Jodi misses her blonde hair, I’m sure.
I just laughed out loud!!! Funny so funny! Jodie has just got to see the writing on the wall. I can’t believe she is unable to compare JM’s witnesses to hers and find hers wanting. I have got to watch in real time or I would go crazy. HLN is nuts to drag it out as they do.
Good Lord, HLN is two witnesses behind. I’m not sure that Juan had the chance to interview this witness prior to her being on the stand…
Is it worth stayin up for?
Ok, so I am watching HLN and ya, still on Wilmott rambling about the test with her witness…so who was next, the medical examiner Horne and another psychologist for the prosecution? Is IT DONE NOW? DID anything dramatic happen?
watching livestream…………not so much that useful, just Juan dotting i’s and crossing t’s…….for whatever reason for me right now, i just feel like i need to see this through……..but, NO, no big revelations, couple Juan funnies and Jodi weirdies, but defense made no dent, IMHO
Thanks docwall. I want to see it but I can not stay up all night listening to Willmott reiterate everything. .. I see this so far as a mistake on the defense’s part too, to spend so much crunch time on an expert that never even spoke with Jodi.
Agree w/ you both… except that I think this last Dr was able to make some simple declarative statements about lying & results. Not a bad note to end on?
Dang, I’m going to have to go to bed. I’m not use to PSTime. You go, Judge Sherry!
That’s right, it’s so late for you guys, Good effort!
Dr. Hayes just said that Dr. Demarte was right in administering the reading test to Jodi. This is in contrast to Dr. Gaffner saying it wasn’t necessary and LaViolette and Samuels did not run this test.
Dr. Hayes is very credible and highly credentialed. And once again, Wilmott is making an ass of herself with her questions.
so, as a veterinarian, my argument for not using a new drug or vaccine is that i want to wait to see how other peoples’ patients do on it first………..my rule is wait 2 years b4……..let another vet’s patients show us how effective the new RX is……
Juan Martinez did an outstanding job in choosing his expert witnesses. Intelligent, composed and well spoken, not any fumblers
How many times does Wilmott have to be told that a traumatic attack by a tiger is different than an attack by a bear!
Dr. Hayes is explaining why they are different and Wilmott is not getting it! Dr. is talking about a seminole (sp?) event. Saying that you would have no objective data to make sure it is authentic.
seminal
Long live the ‘doobla ontondra!’
Oops! Thanks Sandra! 🙂 too funny! I knew I should have gone to bed earlier!
And here I am, ready to start my day already with just 5 hours sleep. This will not go well!
It shows a weakness on her part that she needs to use an old jury question to make a point. A very blurry, irrelevant point. She’d have done much better to try to chip away at the proven premeditation.
Ok, laughing so hard! No, seminal & seminal are spelled the same. Seminole is First Nations People? So, what’s the wheat that pasta’s made from?
semolina?
semolina pilchard climbing up the Eiffel tower…
That’s it!! O, Sandra, mind like a steel trap (& don’t let anyone tell you different!)
O, no! That’s going right over my head, Sandra… tell me where you went with that!!
But what about my dura mater….?
I Am The Walrus goo goo ga choo
Thought I’d add to the psycho-babble.
Thanks to John Lennon. I can’t take the credit.
And the final answer was…. PIERCED!
(koo koo chachoo! Excellent!)
Why doesn’t JW shut her yap and let the witness finish answering her question?
Listening to Willmott babble about the brain is mind numbing. I am in nursing school, and I can tell you that even after I memorized every part of the body and it’s function, I still had no true concept of it until I saw a cadaver. You do NOT know from diagrams and articles what it really looks like until you SEE it. Until you work with it you can not testify to it. I think I will listen to the examiner, who looks at bullet damage to brains all day every day.
He’s very easy to look at as well as listen to!
OOOOH! JW is digging a deep deep hole for JA. The blonde doctor just said if someone lies once on a subjective test how do you ever believe them. Bet the jury heard that! She is really driving home the problem with believing a liar. Earlier today I thought JW had a hard on for Dr. D, but now it appears she has a problem with JM’s psychologists period. Appears she wishes she was a psychologist or thinks she is as good as one. Bad day for JA.
Gophers, tigers and bears, oh my!! Love to see caricatyre of these…..first has fly swatter, second one has bear spray, the third has a stool and whip…..JM too witty
caricature….
Well, I see y’all got a bit punchy last night… I may burst into song this morning…
Dura mater, Dura Fater ..I am here at Camp Grenodder. Trials very entertaining and they say that we’ll have fun when it stops raining…
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Tamara Tattles
Jury instructions and closing arguments start tomorrow at 9:15 Phoenix time…..the end is near….in more ways than one. It’s great testimony, but I don’t think it’s good enough to stay up for – you can see the good parts on the recap shows….or just read about it here.
Cannot BELIEVE that a juror was STUPID enough to ask the psychologist a question about pooling of blood after a gunshot!!…Obviously doesn’t know the difference between an M.D. and Ph.D!!
Great recap here – everybody !! But have to admit – Fell asleep in front of TV in a HLN time WARP… my DVR ran out of memory… I dreamed JM appeared to me in a fog… and was whispering “It’s Over…. I missed the sur sur surebuttul Doc’s testimonies… ? – SO… – “pornographic priestess, oh you’ve been a naughty girl, you let your knickers down…” I am the eggman, – They are the eggman, – I Am The Walrus… coo coo coo jube. ~ JL. – Thanks out to Sandra for a little help from our friends. Today ! – It’s Time – For “What they really think!” 🙂
A poster in another forum said that Dr. Gaffner and Wilmott lied when they said that the Judge in the case in which Gaffner testified and Judge threw out his testimony had resigned after that case. The poster said they researched and the Judge did not resign and is sitting on the bench in the court of appeals.
Couldn’t Juan impeach Gaffner for this lie? I hope Juan also checked on this and takes this info to Judge Stephens.
Highlights, anyone? I’m really just curious if Jodi kept staring at her boyfriend juror (in her mind) and caressing herself for him or was she throwing visual digs at Sky and Chris Hughes? Did her demeanor change with the pics of the brain up for the courtroom? Did they show much of Travis’ family and their 3 rows against Jodi? I am fascinated at how this woman, (eh hem…MONSTER) is cracking here at the end. She is cunning and self-professed genius, She really has been putting on a terrible act from the start. I feel like she thinks her goose is cooked, she has heard even her own witness’ use the word “psychopath and deviant”. I feel like she is highly pissed when they throw those words in, even by accident, because they are trigger words to what JA really is. The jury knows..it’s not a secret, JA!
I’m going to have to watch the forensic psychologist’s testimony today & Dr. Horn because I passed out as soon as my butt hit the bed. Working all day and court’n all night, whew! Props to those of you who endured last night. Closing arguments are within reach! I hope Obi-Juan reminds the jury about the brutality of it all, this was no simple death sentence she gave him for having feelings for another woman, TA tried his hardest to escape her murdering rage.