I refuse to give you people the next FOUR days off. While I love my regulars and will be posting about reality TV and celebrity gossip, I would like a place for us to keep talking while we wait. If and when major news breaks I will start a new post for that. But let’s just use this comment section to talk about whatever we want Jodi Arias related. And if we go off topic and get to know each other a little better that is fine. If you read something interesting someplace else stick a link in a comment and I will either put it through or not. 🙂
When I am feeling better I want to hunt down some more information on possible rebuttal witnesses for Juan. I don’t know why that list is not public but I intend to spend some time over the next four days seeing what I can find out. Let me know what you are interested in or what questions you have and I will try to get answers for you on those. JUST DON’T LEAVE ME!!!! 🙂
Why is there no court on Monday?
Anyone notice today how JA mirrored DeMarte’s hair? Same part, same small bangs, behind ears, then over both shoulders. Talk about displaying one of the characteristics of BPD!
No SHIT!! Check it out! Great observation! I think DOCTOR D. did a great job. The jury clearly believes the BPD diagnosis, as they asked for affirmation from the good doctor.
Babs, I concur with your observation and noticed the same. Dr. DeMarte was spot on with “shifting sense of identity” criteria as it relates to Arias.
Either a juror who has an appointment or the Judge has other matters, I think.
I will be here with the group. Let’s’ meet here in the AM and make a plan for the day..
Ok, i will be the first to offer something off topic. Why? (besides Tamara saying it was ok) because i have had to turn away from this trial on and off during the day. Its just too aggravating for me.
So, i caught 2 extremely talented singers on American Idol this year. Not your usual can sing ok…types. Candice Glover and Amber Holcomb are naturally gifted with special voices. While Candice has a power voice, Amber posesses a voice where she can sing anything……soul, broadway, pop, rock…. I can tell her parents played a lot of different music in their home and exposed her to more than just what is popular.
You can go to youtube and listen.
There were several times today during Jodi’s glasses on…glasses off (to be read in a Ralph Macchio Karate Kid voice) that she pushed them up on top of her head like a headband. Jennifer went home yesterday and Nice n’ Easy’d her roots. The inappropriate giggling and smiling by Jodi and Jennifer is like they’re sorority sisters playing hair dress up. They are very disrespectful considering a man is dead.
Honestly, I didn’t find that there was that much giggling. i know they were writing notes back and forth – Jodi needs to do this to keep her composure. and Nurmi doesn’t want any part of it. She passed a note his way while Willmott was up and he almost wadded it up and tossed it. I can only imagine if I were on trial for my life, and in jail, I would need someone that I could talk to.or go nuts. Willmott probably keeps her under control by letting her vent on paper. I felt like Jodi came back from lunch really emotional and calms down when Willmott is able to sit back down.and pay attention to her. It won’t be long until Jodi is in a cell and loses contact with normal people.- her family is all in California and who knows how much they will visit..
I did notice that JW’s bald spot was gone today. I kept thinking the bald spot might have been gray hair. Or maybe she heard people were tweeting about her bald spot so bought some of that colored hair spray.
Royalnobody – once again, I disagree. It’s not Nice ‘n Easy – it’s medium brown spray paint applied directly to her scalp. And BTW, if anyone had any doubts that she’s reading Tamara Tattles, I think her newly colored hair PROVES it!
Did I for real see, JW touching Jodi’s hair like a mother would do to her little girl? Strange…
Does anyone think Jodi is getting thinner bc she’s realizing all the attn & out of jail time in court is just about over? And did u catch JW asking JA “did u write that” referring to the statement JDM made abt I think she feared abandonment bc she wrote in her journal I fear being abandoned Lol JA expression w her Idk answer was awesome 🙂 OH – & did the story of Jodi hitting on some man after the funeral for Travis – did JDM get to finish that story or did the judge make her stop?
I caught that also!!! and i think when Dr. D mentioned her hiding behind the xmas tree, it seemed like jodi could have said “it was a surprise”
& i think Demarte got to finish the story about her getting another mans number after memorial !
Not only did she get anther man’s phone number she called him after the funeral.
Did anyone here know that JA had stolen a ring from TA. I heard on Nancy Grace that it was an engagement ring that she stole. No one said who it was bought for but I’m thinking maybe Lisa. Anyway, that would explain that long text message and email where he was so angry!
I was so hoping it would come out in testimony that JA had slashed Travis and Lisa’s tires. I think all the information about stalking should have been allowed in!!!
I think one of the HLN people said Travis bought it for a woman named Linda. She wanted him to stay in school rather than go to work for PPL. He chose PPL so she broke up with him. They showed a pic with him wearing the ring. Linda must have had some big fingers.
Did anyone catch Willmott saying to Dr. D today something to the effect of “when she had to kill him”? JM objected and sidebar ensued. Lots of that came from Will,out today.
I heard it. It was so obviously Wilmas’ cross to bear to say such a dumbass thing. Nurmi probably wouldn’t want to get stuck with saying that. Wilma thought she could say it because she is female. I’m sure the shittiness wasn’t lost on anyone, considering that 3x killing a man wasn’t something Jodi had to do.
Yes, I heard it clearly, and gasped when she said it! It was so rude to Travis’s family to say that in open court. I also was disgusted at all the smirks and little laughs and smiles from JW when questioning DeMarte…she clearly had/has no respect for Janeen. Janeen is clearly more intelligent and more concise in everything she says, and JW does not want the jury to accept her words.
It was amazing how Jodi tried so much to look like DeMarte. Usually she seems to be JW’s twin, but this time she was imitating Janeen.
It has become a sideshow with Jodi coloring, not paying any attention when prosecutor is questioning, but gives all her attention when JW is there. It’s like she only will listen when JW is trying to give information that makes Jodi look better, and completely goes into her ‘happy place’ to not listen when things are not in her favor.
Does anyone have full information on the Hughes testimony and if anything important was pointed out? I missed the beginning of this trial so i didnt get to see their testimony.
Mr. Hughes was the one that testified and he was a hostile witness. Nurmi could not get him to say anything that would hurt Travis…at least that I can remember. It was a very interesting testimony!
Tori, You can watch his testimony on YouTube. That’s how I’ve been watching the trial. It’s day10 part 3.
Thanks so much ! 🙂
Tori, I prefer the youtube videos produced by croakerqueen123. They’re high quality IMO.
The ring Jodi stole from Travis was an engagement ring initially meant for Deanna.
I thought the ring might have been for Lisa but heard he’d had the ring a while so that makes sense that it was Deanna.
Can someone explain to me the significance of the presence of Det. Flores at the defense table? Is he there to arrest her if she has a Perry Mason moment and admits she killed Travis out of spite and not self defense?
When they show him there next to Juan I think of him as the wing man like Goose in Top Gun. I think he is there to here testimony that may need investigation. Juan had him perform the weight bearing test on the closet shelves after that testimony by Jodi, tho that testimony may not be allowed in. However, what a waste of a great Detective’s time.. I don’t think I have seen it in other cases but maybe they are present but not sitting at the big table?
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Good thinking! Maybe recording pertinent or incriminating info because he is the lead detective on the case?
One of the greatest part of this trial this week for me was when JA and Travis’ family were both seated in the jury box. TA’s sisters were crying, JM was taking notes, but Det. Florres stood in front of that jury box like a silent soldier to protect Travis’ family. That really impressed me. I think that LC gives a good analogy with the Top Gun wing man reference.
I’ve always wondered about that. I find it weird. Maybe it’s an Arizona thing. I think he has been to meetings in chambers too.
Det. Flores is there to listen & investigate any new information given by testimony. This is still an open case.
Portia, can you explain more re: still an open case. I’m not well-versed. Interested in how this works, how it applies & could change things re: this case.
Isn’t he beside Juan at the prosecution table?
Yes, that’s Det. Flores.
Did anyone find yourself, for a moment, feeling a little bit sorry for JA!! I don’t know why that feeling kept sneaking up on me today. I think it was when I heard she was probably ignored as a child!!! I had to keep reminding myself what she had done to TA!!! But I did wonder if any jurors might have been affected that way!
Are you kidding me? Not in the slightest. And not the jury either.
You don’t know what the jury is feeling.
And you do?? The Juror questions seem to be giving us a clue as to (some) of their thinking.
Sylvia, they had over 100 questions, some of them quite mocking, for ALV and very few for Dr. D. I don’t know what they feel, but I do get to see what they are curious about and it really went well for Dr. DeMarte.
I’ve always felt sympathy for Jodi. She is a young woman that was looking for men to fill in what she felt was missing. By all accounts, she could be a fun, loving person and she has artistic talent. Instead, she chose to waste both her life and Travis’.
It also saddens me that she seems to have learned no lessons from this tragedy.
@ Seriously, I can’t say I feel sorry for Jodi but do feel very concerned, now that a more credible psychiatric diagnosis has been provided-Borderline Personality Disorder, it may influence a jury or two, that she is mentally ill and they might have a hard time convicting her of 1st degree since the death penalty is on the table. Where Jodi is at fault is not getting help as an adult for eight or nine years, especially when she moved from AZ back to CA when her mother tried to get her to get help. I hold her mother responsible during the teen years when Jodi experienced “suicide ideation” as Dr D testified those thoughts were in her diary as early at 1995. Maybe her mother did and treatment was unsuccessful, who knows… I feel so sickened that the young people who commit these horrible crimes, seem to suffer in silence for years before doing something horrific and the family is aware they are suffering. I just don’t get it. I am thinking of the CO shooter, the AZ shooter, the VA Tech shooter, all these young people were known to have suffered as a teen and young adult.
Thank you,thank you,thank you TT!We will never “abandon”you!We all know that can cause trauma that could cause you to go into a fog killing tantrum.Luv the the Shining pic of JA and JW.Haha funny.
Hey! I need some downtime! The laundry is taking over the house and blocking the tv. I’m beginning to feel like a hoarder!
OMG that is HILARIOUS!!!
Hello everyone,
I am brand new to this blog. Mybhousevis falling apart because i’m glued to this trial. My husband and children begging to know when this trial will be Over! Who has time to cook and clean?
Christina, I just found Tamaratattles too. After the Tot Mom trial in Florida, I swore to NEVER EVER get sucked into watching another tv trial. Lol
I don’t miss a day without my JA Trial fix. Justice for Team Travis. Blessings to Juan Martinez and Esteban Flores.
Be careful with your words…moderator or however you are called LOL “JUST DON’T LEAVE ME” might get you classified as having a “border line personality disorder” by DR. De Marte.
I’m Tamara, Slyvia, the owner of the site. Welcome to TT. It seems you are a Jodi supporter. Welcome! I’m very interested in your opinions. I hope my followers will treat you with respect and an open mind.
Girl! When do you have time to sleep? Take care! Tamara2
I think , a few weeks ago, a juror might have asked for Monday off. I heard the judge mention that last week, though not the actual date. I also figured to speed things up the judge was going to start having court every other Friday.
I remember that the date he/she wanted off is April 22, so no trial until Tuesday…
There is a crazy shoot out going on right now in Watertown, MA (10 miles west of Boston) with the bombing suspects. An MIT officer has been killed and the suspects are throwing GRENADES!
Watching CNN. Who is the guy lying face down in the street, police officer or suspect? Anybody know?
Suspect. They made him strip off his clothes before they put him in the cop car in case he was wired to explode.
Was he the one wearing the dark jacket and dark pants with the white stripe down the leg?
https://mobile.twitter.com/akitz
This guy lives above the shoot out on Laurel Street in Watertown, he’s live tweeting it.
Ok, so you guys sucked me in to the trial stuff. Whatever happened to Alyce? Anything to the charges being filed against her? Somehow following along she disappeared and didn’t come back. Last I heard it was a doc appt. thanks
I know that on Monday (4/15) the judge and all parties had a conference in chambers with Alyce, and that was the last we heard of her! Maybe she will be recalled (I doubt it). As usual, I’m sure the whole truth will only come out after this whole messy trial is over – and Alyce probably writes a book about it…
Would also love to know whatever happened to Alyce on Monday. Was she charged with perjury? If Alyce was charged, is it an automatic charge or does she have to hire an attorney and the circus starts all over again? Last question, if whatever happened to Alyce is sealed (so to speak), we will eventually find out-after the trial?
Also, very curious re: Alyce. Curious what happened there…
We may not know the outcome until the judge delivers her instructions to the jury. That’s a part of the trial well worth listening to. It happens after closing arguments before the jury is sent out to deliberate. It may not be immediately after arguments because there’s usually a lot of back and forth between the judge and counsel for both sides (who each get to submit their own set of proposed instructions) until the judge rules upon what her final instructions will be. I, for one, want to hear what her final instructions on expert testimony will be.
An example of a jury instruction on expert opinions is copied in below (notice there is nothing in the instruction about an expert’s “experience” — once qualified to render an expert opinion, the jury is not allowed to deem them “unqualified” but they can take lots into account in deciding what weight or value to give to their opinions):
An opinion is only as good as the facts and reasons on which it is based. You must consider the evidence regarding any such fact in determining the value of the opinion. Likewise, you must consider the strengths and weaknesses of the reasons on which the opinion is based.
Also, if the expert relied on information supplied by others, you must consider the reasonableness of such reliance, as well as any evidence as to the reliability and/or accuracy of the information, in determining the credibility and weight of the expert’s testimony.
Happy Friday everyone. I am here with everyone while we wait for court to come back on Tuesday. I have noticed Nurmi seems like he really wishes he was some place else other than defending Jodi.
I think Nurmi has wished he was some place else since day one of this trial. He never wanted this case to begin with……..
anybody get frustrated by nancy grace saying ya wont miss a minute while talking over testimony? I missed most of jury questions hearing nancy say i like how this girl talks. While she is still speaking . TT either format works it gets hard to follow after couple hundred comments. After your counter hits 70 my phone lets me read but no reply and 250 it wont let me read any more. Any tips for an not too expensive smartphone for some one with a raman noodle budget anybody? And mostly computer illiterate? Thanx
Steve – You’re right, we missed some really important testimony last night! NC is the only one who interjects herself, and it’s was soooo irritating. I think she forgets that the show is about the news, and not about her.
I did enjoy Dr. Drew’s snarky comments inserted over the day’s testimony.
Tamara (ANOTHER Tamara!) – I, also, enjoy Dr. Drew’s comments & how they’re “projected” over the screen. They’re really clever, and I actually like him, too. Never watched him before this trial. I liked Nancy Grace during the Anthony trial, but can’t stand her on this one. It DOES seem to be all about her – not the trial, and the way she berates her “guests” is downright embarrassing. Don’t know how they put up w/her.
Thanks you Tamara for your blog. As a newbie to TT – I, so look forward to your JA dish. I think they are putting color on JA. ~ JW & KN [reminds me of Snuffle Uffullguss – 2nd Sesame St.] probably pays someone to watch HLN. But how else are they going to make Jodi look alive? I mean, LOOK @ HER ! She looks like Dracula’s daughter – creepy hands and all ! Maybe Little Narcissus is finally staring into a mirror that see’s no reflection – except Travis’ eye staring back ? I’m from another era. My nature is not hateful but my instinct loathes this women. I’m very uncomfortable with those feelings, but when I start to feel sorry for JA – I think… if she would have even ran outside covered in blood, screaming “help” – and let a neighbor call 911 – I still would NOT have believed her crap – BUT everything about this crime & tragedy is SO arrogant & evil, angst is unavoidable.
It looks like Jodi’s mom is gaining the weight that Jodi’s lost in recent weeks. And does anyone wanna start taking bets on when the next cold sore will appear? I say w/in the next week.
Haha she has 4 days off so I’m pretty sure her herpes will be on full display on Tuesday lol
What I don’t get is the Donovan sidekick, sitting next to the mother. What’s up with that? What’s the link between the two? Simply the fact that they’re two of the few left on Earth that have affinity for JA? Who pursued who? Donovan the mother or the mother Donovan?
Donovan is just such a weird side-piece in the saga. And what an unholy mess!
Hey Jane , i have been wondering the same thing. I remember an interview a very long time ago with Donovan and she said she was a long time neighbor of Jodi’s??? (unless i heard wrong) and now i hear they were in jail together?? Idk which one it is, unless by neighbor she meant cellmate ! No clue .
Hey, Tori… I only have the mainstream bits & pieces: 1) that Donovan is the one facilitating JA’s jailhouse tweets, 2) that she was allegedly involved in an arson caper (arson being a pretty psychotic gesture IMO), about which there’s controversy with locals having the inside scoop, some convinced that, of 2 firebugs, one (Donovan) was guiltier than the other, yet the guiltier went free… and, alas, there she is, sitting next to the mother and 3) that she may or may not have met JA in jail (the timing & coincidence of which I can’t figure.)
Pretty peculiar stuff… (and I could be wrong on all counts.) Find sidestory & fringe bits are intriguing… looking forward to the Vanity Fair writeup. Pine for Dominick Dunn (sigh.)
Tori and Jane- affirmative..I read that jodi and Donavan met in jail (that would make them “neighbors”)…Donavan was there due to an arson arrest. The arson case was in the newspaper archives. We all know JA “uses” people…and (Miss?) Donavan isn’t a “raving beauty”…it is easy for me to imagine that someone like Donavan could be easily manipulated…to all of a sudden be “besties” (no, NOT BEAST-ie, BEST-ie) with someone pretty and smart…(after all, she somehow got roped into committing arson by the owner of a failing business)..I don’t think we are discussing a Harvard Law Graduate!
But I think Donavan’s BFF days are numbered. But just about the time I get myself convinced that the jury HAS to convict….the memory of the Pinellas Pinheads comes flooding back…(and I’ve had PTSD ever since!)
vocalvaper, yes, agree on all points. Still wheezing from the “not a raving beauty” comment and my personal PTSD dates from Anthony verdict.
That picture made me choke on my tea this morning. It’s both creepy and hilarious. Just what I needed to distract me from the tension around here. My husband is home since Boston and surrounding areas are on lockdown. Hoping it’s all over soon.
On to the trial…
I’ve been a critique of Juan’s sometimes over agressive style ( though more because I think It’s distracting more than anything else). I was glad to see some of that agressiveness with his own expert witness. It annoyed me when he was being critized for being “mean” to an old woman but the tone was different for Samuels. Janine DeMarte is a woman and she still got the good old “did I ask you if…”
early in the trial i thought Jaun was over agressive and read about what he has done. His style has not changd in 20 years and that is why he is known as one of arizonas best. He gets the job done lookup wendi andrianos
I keep thinking that everyone is giving JA too much credit on the camera issue I think she was sitting there deleting photos and decided to get rid of bloody things and throw them in the washer and grabbed the camera with them and threw it in the washer by mistake. I think she planned to take it with her and with her brain all “scrambled” she forgot. Has anyone else had this thought? What will I do for four days? Now my brain is scrambled. Gotta ahng here with you all.
That’s what I think too! I’m sure she went into some sort of panic mood trying to clean up and get out of there as fast as possible. I mean if she got rid of the fun and knife I’m sure she had plans to get rid of the camera too
I totally agree!
This makes the most sense, though it never dawned on me…
When Walmart & the Dr were going at this point, yesterday, I was thinking: Of course it’s executive thinking, Walmart! It’s executive thinking gone wild… that sort of super-executive thinking that trips up the criminal mind. But, you’re right – she planned to take it w/ her, got behind in her chores, bungled it up in the sheets… probably drove her nuts on the road (did I leave the iron plugged in, too.. gosh, jodi)
GREAT one, Jane! Too funny!
I too have believed that the camera just got caught up in the bedding as she rushed to try and clean up. One of Travis’ roommates got off of work at 6 that day and would have been coming home soon after Travis was murdered @ 5:31. In all of the bathroom photos they all show an open cabinet. I haven’t heard anyone say this, but I wonder if that is where she had the gun and knife. She testified that she had already loaded up her luggage so by then she KNEW that Travis was not going to change his mind and take her to Cancun.
Peachteachr, I wondered about that open cabinet door and what might have been in there. I was thinking towels but, when someone from the state testified and opened the bags that contained the clothes that were taken out of the washing machine, only two towels were there. Maybe that was where she kept the gun and knife. She did testify that she was awake before TA so she could have set things up. So much to speculate about…
I agree. I think while deleting the pictures she realized it was going to take too long and decided taking it with her would be better. The camera is not that big and I think it got wrapped up in the clothes and she forgot about it in her haste.
Also, TA had just recently bought the camera so she knew that might come up and since she was into photography, and since she had stolen from TA before, the missing camera might have pointed to her. That might be a stretch but who knows what went on in her mind…except to get out of Dodge as quickly as she could!
in one of the evidence reports it says that the cover for the memory card on the camera was broken off before it went into washer. Delete the pics then attempt to corrupt the card and ruin the camera in the wash cycle. Real foggy thinking
I really believe Jodi thought that by deleting the pics and destroying part of the memory card prior to putting it in the washing machine, that that would erase ANY evidence whatsoever. Epic fail! Dumb ass Jodi!
I agree. She was totally dumb enough to think that she had done the job on that camera. Hello – nothing is really ever deleted forever on anything in this day and time. It’s called Forensics!
Serious error in judgment. I always think, what if she had just pocketed the memory card and left the camera behind. Everything changes.
JODIS THOUGHTS…I want to look and act like the Dr. Maybe I can treat the people in jail. I just need to learn what a class act is!!!
So true! EXACTLY what she’s thinking.
In my sick little fantasy moment for the day….Whenever they convict her of murder and sentence her to death( I can only hope this happens) I hope she snaps in court and starts screaming/crying at the jury. So everyone will see that she is indeed crazy.
Yes I know I have issues. If she did have a meltdown I would just feel so vindicated for having to listen to her and her “expert” witnesses testimony. And I’m sure the Alexander family would be just as delighted that the whole world would see how crazy she is indeed and not have any more doubts of what Arais is capable of.
Ok. Now that you all know how sick I am, I will quietly go wash my makeup off, put on my glasses, put my hair in little girl fashion ponytail and sit quietly at my desk drawing pretty pictures for you all!!!
Hello Tamara- First time poster. Love your site!!! Don’t feel alone about wanting to see Jodi go nanners when she is sentenced – there are a few in Birmingham who wish the same. Keep up the great work and I look forward to reading most posts.
Dear c0astalkitty,
Thank you for the awesome compliment. But I’m not THE Ms. Tamara Tattles 🙂 we just happens I share the same awesome name! I love her blog too and think she is great as well. And I’m happy to meet your acquaintance and hope you continue to post!!
Thanks Tamara, cool to talk to you also. Since I can’t watch the trial during the day, I get to unwind at night reading the blogs about the day’s events. Did anyone notice Jodi mouthing something yesterday when the Dr. was being questioned by Juan near the end of the day? Anyone know how to read lips? But she did look slighly deflated, like Whoops -no on was supposed to know about the Christmas Tree and the stolen ring.
Tamara, I do not think you’re sick at all. I think everyone wants to indulge in that same exact Schadenfreude; I know I would love it, too!
Tamara, I keep wondering myself when the Defendent’s anger is going to erupt and morph into something ugly. It’s only a matter of time IMO.
Something to think about…
That smug little smile that is plastered on that she-murderer’s face has been bothering me for months now…but I think I FINALLY know where that smile comes from…
In Jodi’s sick mind, she knows:
FOREVER, when someone says “Travis Alexander”, the name “jodi arias” will be connected. Didn’t she essentially “marry” him?
Travis will NEVER cheat on her again! EVER!
“If *I* can’t go to Cancun, neither can you! FOREVER!
“Sure, HE may be dead *FOREVER*, but it’s HIS fault that my hand slipped down the knife, and now IT is DEFORMED forever!”
“HE brought this on HIMSELF!! Couldn’t he SEE that I loved him more than anyone ELSE EVER would! He wanted a “gold-digger, and I AM a GOLD DIGGER!!”
“I’m surrounded by idiots! Jen will do whatever I tell her to do…and if she DOESN’T, I will sit here and write my manifesto, and NOT HELP HER! THAT will show her!!”
“Juror #XX is pretty cute, a bit old, but wears expensive shirts…I hope he’s mormon, and I think that he is trying to tell me something when he looks at me! After the trial, when I thank him for acquitting me, I’ll get his number, and we can hook up!”
@Tamara – I found your website by accident (reading about your troubles) with the Sheree nonsense. Any who, I have become so well informed on the JA trial that I am NOW able to have an intelligent conversation with my Mom (who is obsessed with this trial) and give her some information she wasn’t even aware of because I come here so frequently. I love your blog and the fact that you cover so many different things on here — it sometimes feels like girlfriends sitting around chatting about their day. Keep up the good work!
I love the pic!!! the gruesome twosome!
Yes! Very Arbus – perfectly disturbing & fitting. Walmart would be wise to make careful note of how she’s transformed & is being perceived (a picture being worth a thousand words… )
And, none too soon to start lining up a psych team to facilitate her re-entry into society. Walmart’s gonna need one hell of an exit counsellor and some serious deprogramming… plus a room at the Motel 6 (the detox venue of choice for cult victims?)
This is seriously weird & I don’t think Walmart gets the half of it. Look at pic, girl, look at the pic… you’ve crossed over (and you didn’t need to to do the work.)
All thanks, Tamara. Excellent work, excellent service! And followers extraordinaire!
Who the hell is Walmart? I don’t get that.
That made me BOL. It is referring to Jennifer Wilmott, Jodi’s defense attorney. But I’m a little confused because I thought there was a rule about names…
Hey, Daryl…. I did, too (the ‘avoid cute bastardizations’ clause)… but, there are some minds like steel traps around here and the ‘cute bastardizations’ are enormously pithy & on the mark. Walmart, if I’m correct, is courtesy of jkindy – who, by the way, is a spitfire extraordinaire. If the ‘cute bastardizations’ stop, I’ll be so sad.
Tremendously keen thought, fast wit & good will, here. Thanks, again, to TT.
Since we have a few days off…
I found this blog earlier this week, and just jumped in and was my usual “vocal” self…since there is a pause in the trial, I wanted to say “thanks” to Tamara for giving us all an opportunity to comment…and BRIEFLY introduce myself..
I am Via, The Vocal Vaper. I smoked from 1967 to 2011…and was able to quit smoking by using an “e-cigarette” (electronic cigarettes produce a water VAPOR, not SMOKE; so it’s called “vaping” not “smoking”) The fluid in an e-cigarette has only for ingredients: propylene glycol (found in many food items), Vegetable glycol (also in food), food flavorings and a low percentage of nicotine. Much like using nicotine gum, nicotine mints, or nicotine patches, Vaping is an alternative means of nicotine replacement, without inhaling the 4,000+ chemicals found in traditional cigarettes.
The reason Vaping works for MANY, MANY people is because a Vaper still gets the sensation of smoking…in holding something in ones hand, the sensation of inhale/exhale, etc…with none of the harmful chemicals! I quit smoking cigarettes 18 months ago, have not faltered once…and I am happier and healthier than I have been in a very long time!
I’m called “thevocalvaper” because I write a blog, (when I have time)…and test batteries, e-liquid and other vaping accessories and write reviews, assist new vapers on several forums dedicated to vaping and administer a PIF (Pay It Forward) group that helps disadvantaged folks obtain equipment, supplies and e-juice from other more experienced vapers. (Senior citizens, folks who’ve lost jobs, or have limited incomes, etc, who “need a little help” in their effort to give up traditional cigarettes)
I retired several years ago, and I sure do love my trials!! My dear husband, a bond (municipal) attorney, thinks I’m crazy!!! He encourages me to go to law school all the time…but at age 60, I don’t see any reason to spend our retirement money on law school! (But I’m sure I could out perform Jennifer Walmart!!). We live in northeast Florida.
I have my very own Nurmi with me all day…a sleepy french bulldog named Boo (short for Boudreaux) Boo’s job is to sleep, snore and drool during the trial…just like Nurmi, huh? But, Nurmi had Boo beat, cuz Boo can’t burp loud while court is in session, like Nurmi does!
I often crochet while I am watching trals (I’ve been addicted since Court TV began), I also paint (oils/acrylics) and try my best to avoid as much housework as I can!
I hope to read some of your introductions too…it’s nice to get to know others who are posting comments!
Love the Jennifer Walmart comment 🙂
And I’m sure you’re bulldog is obviously better looking than Nurmi!
Well, I am impressed and interested Vocalvaper. I have been smoking for 50 years and for the 1st time in my life I want to stop. I’ll check out your blog from southwest Ga. and welcome to the site. TT handles things with humor and most are welcome. She just doesn’t abide stupid very well. I’ve been a lurker for years but JA brought out my voice. Just amazed at how horrific the murder was and how she tries to portray herself. As violent as the murder was, the thing I dislike most about JA is trashing Travis’ name in death.
PeachTeacher-I don’t want to “wear out my welcome”, or hijack Tamara’s blog…so, best place to reach me is vocalvaper (at) gmail (dot) com. I would be DELIGHTED to assist you! I USED to get pneumonia every winter and suffer bronchitis every summer! I was CONSTANTLY sick! Amazingly, since I began vaping, I haven’t had even ONE sick day! I could write PAGES about all the positive things that have come about because I no longer smoke tobacco: I can smell things, taste things, don’t have burn holes in my clothing and furniture…and with what I saved the last 2 months, I bought a new Dooney handbag!! I haven’t had a traditional cigarette in 18 months…and don’t want one!
Tamara, thank you for your indulgence…guess this was your PSA (Public Service Announcement) space.
Vocalvaper,
I can back you up on vaping. I’m still a smoker but my husband hasn’t smoked in over a year after taking up vaping. He loves it, his health has improved and he never once had a cigarette again once he started. I really need to try it again we’ve both smoked for decades. I don’t know why I’ve resisted although I’ve been told a small,percentage of people have a problem with something in the liquid…not the nicotine but something else that irritates the throat. My Hubs is a pro!! He loves it. Actually obsessed. I can’t wait to tell hm I found you on a blog.
Btw,,,,I love this blog too. Been following and lurking since the beginning of TTs blogging. Having the trial added makes it only that more interesting..
Thanks for all you do, TT. Three more days until we can Juander back into courtroom.
MissDeco..CONGRATULATIONS to your dear husband for his success!!! I did actually “try” smoking a traditional stinkie after I had been off them for a month…I THOUGHT I would have that “ah!!! That’s so good!! I’m glad I’m off the airplane!!” reaction…but NO!!! I had to pull my car to the side of the road so I could “toss cookies”!!! My DH is a non-smoker/non-Vaper, so, I’ve had nothing but good clean air for 18 months! This was the BEST thing I’ve ever done for myself!!! You just need to try again, MissDeco…after all, how many times did you try gum, patches, mints, Chantix, hypnotherapy….I tried them ALL!! I think you just haven’t found your “perfect vape” yet! Find a liquid you LOVE!!!! Mine is Cinnamon Danish Swirl…all the yum, and none of the calories!!!! Check my other posts for my email address, if you want to chat away from TamaraTattles….
Miss Tamara, thanks for letting us have a few words about this important issue…I promise not to be a pest!
So, I joined the Juan Martinez Prosecutor Page a couple of months ago. Yesterday they sent a message to my fb page saying that there would be an untelevised hearing today called a status conference and it is an indication that the trial is coming to a close. I think that is why many of us who are obsessed with this trial think we are seeing JA beginning to unravel. Dr. Kristina Randle, a criminal psychologist… well I think that’s what she is but JW has me so confused after the last 2 days I could be wrong, wrote a few weeks ago that the job for the lawyers now that things are going so badly for the defense is to try and hold JA together. I think the weight loss is by choice since she thrives on attention. Just think, in 10 years she’ll be another plump grey-haired prisoner who likes to draw. My deepest desire is that she spend those 10 years on death row where she will be allowed outside for 1 hour 3 times a week and will have no contact with other humans. I may not want to go out and howl at the moon at 3 AM but I certainly am free to do so She reminds me of those signs you see in antique stores, if you break it you own it. She broke Travis Alexander and now she needs to own that. See you all next week. Same place same time.
Now THIS is NEWS, peachteachr!! A Status Conference would, indeed indicate all counsel getting their ducks in a row to finish up — any last-minute motions, preparing Jury Verdict Forms, etc. (I was a legal secretary for 35 years.) Like your “projection” for JA and hope it happens as you predict, however, BECAUSE I was in law for so many years I know for a fact that you can’t EVER trust juries! Ya just don’t know what they’re gonna do & it only takes one to ef up the whole deal. Recall Casey Anthony?
peachteachr, nice piece. Insight & info I would have otherwise missed (status conference, etc.) Agree w/ your perceptions of JA (attention-seeking undereating, etc) &, ditto Mary Jo: find myself, too, hoping for JA’s protracted misery (which leads me to worry re: how I myself am, perhaps, devolving…). Then, Mary Jo says Casey Anthony…
So happy I found this Chatter Thread today. I’ve learned for the first time about the Juan Martinez Prosecution Page. Yay!
I’m following JA Trial from Lincoln, Nebraska but I don’t Tweet or Facebook, so that has excluded me from participating in other forums and live blogs such as Websleuths, Huffington Post and Wild About Trial.
Just want to say that I’ve enjoyed reading the comments here. At some point I hope to jump in feet first and join the chatter>
Peachthr Would you please give me the exact address for Juan Martinez page? I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong. Thank you!
Here is the one for Detective Flores. Someone else provided the support page for Juan Martinez today or yesterday.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Detective-Esteban-Flores-Support-Group/578085455542922
Link to Juan Martinez Support Page —
https://www.facebook.com/ProsecutorJuanMartinezSupportPage?hc_location=stream
IMO, she is absolutely refusing to eat and using anorexia to grab more attention. It goes along with her five-year-old child act of coloring quietly while the grownups talk. Other immature behavior is not washing her hair for days on end and fixing it in childlike styles or changing her part from the left to the right. I’m sure psychiatrists will have a field day with her. Nurmi has all but abandoned his job as her defense attorney. It is so obvious he can’t stand her and it made me smile wickedly when JA was forced to interact with him, angrily shoving a pad under his face when Wilma was completely botching her cross exam of Dr. D. She is going down fast. I wonder if they have her on suicide watch. I just hope there are no grounds for ineffective counseling.
Great observations, Daryl…. “five-year-old child act of coloring quietly while grown-ups talk.” Exactly. Now, hold this image up next to any one of how many sex images…
Tamara, you know you’re my girl, and I have to say, I love,love,love the concept of of an open forum. None of the other bloggers are doing it. The open forum allows posters to chat, and get to know one another, and I think it’s a Fabulous idea Doll!
Happy Friday!
Hi all. I am Linda (I show up here as LC) and I live in New Mexico. I am new to this blog and think Tamara does an awesome job with this site. I found Tamara thru Twitter – how did others come to find her? I have recently become under-employed and without this trial and the ability to connect with great and funny minds I would be crazy (crazier?). I tend to be that person that steps back and sees things from the Defense perspective, while praising the prosecution, (he’s been brilliant) so forgive me. I don’t believe Jodi is innocent nor should she get off – I just don’t believe in the death penalty in the majority of the cases. I strongly believe that EVERYONE deserves a fair trial. (Here’s where you hate on me, that’s okay) The strategy and the game plan and plotting of criminal trials fascinates me –it’s almost like theatre. I look forward to continued debate here. I also watch the Bravo shows so I will show up there, I love Survivor, Project Runway ( a New Mexico contestant is in the finals!) Idol, The Voice – I also play poker – used to play on-line til they shut us down hence my blog time has been freed up. So I am here today lurking while following the Boston situation let’s chat.
Hi, Linda! I’m new to this blog, also. I found it about 4 days ago in an HLN comment section of an Arias trial update & have been hooked ever since. BTW, I no longer read those comments (or any others, for that matter!) because they don’t hold a candle to Tamara’s blog! You’re from New Mexico – I’m from Michigan. It’s amazing how far & wide this website reaches!!
And a contributor from GB, today… Me, in Canada… Trial Watchers Without Borders… very cool! All thanks to Tamara..
All Juan Without Borders?!
(I’m not very clever, but thought, what the hell, I’ll give it a go… )
Jane – we’re neighbors! ha! I grew up every summer til I was 15 @ our cottage in Amherstburg, Ontario. Boy, you guys sure had a whacko trial not too many years ago – that girl & her husband who went on a killing spree – even killed her own sister. She’s out of prison now (couldn’t BELIEVE they let her out!) & living in another country, isn’t she? What was her name? Karla?
O, our share of wackos & a criminal justice system that leaves a lot to be desired… what about the young model-type nutjob, who dismembered the international student, recently, & sent the body parts hither & yon through the mail. Beyond gruesome… hesitated to remind through description (sorry! erase erase erase…)
I’m also from Canada. My husband think I’m nuts because I’m so addicted to this trial. I am fascinated by your judicial system. We don’t have televised trials here. I was also hooked on the Menendez brothers’ trial, and, of course, OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony. I have trouble with defence tactics, but understand the reality of them. In one way I wish the prosecutor had accepted a plea deal to 2nd degree murder and put JA away for life. But think of all the fun we would have missed! :). The total defence strategy – by necessity – is to escape the death penalty. It’s just unfortunate it has cost the coffers of Arizona millions of dollars, not to mention the anguish of TA’s family as their brother’s reputation is dragged through the mud.
Seems like Defence 101 is to smear the victim. Not sure how a Prosecutor could ever become a Defence Attorney. Is it altruism towards defending innocent perps, or $?
Menendez brothers accused father of sexual assault – as did Casey Anthony – as if these facts mitigated vicious murder.
I’m not sure how an attorney decides to become a defense attorney or public defender. Many in the legal profession believe it’s a combination of: bad law school grades; inability to find a job in the private sector; laziness; and, to a lesser extent, a “passion” for defending the dregs of society (sorry, no offense to the dregs) who are still entitled to a fair trial under our justice system.
I have to call you out on this post, ‘rica. As someone who loves her criminal defense attorney I am immensely grateful for them. She is extremely bright and very well versed in the law. She defends a lot of people who are innocent and need proper representation. The entire foundation of the legal system is to insure fairness and protection for those who are innocent of the charges they face. I assure you she went to one of the top law schools in the country and is far from lazy. In fact, she and I were talking off and on last night and I had to tell her to take the time off and go enjoy her beautiful family.
I would also defend Willmott and Nurmi just as strongly. Add Jose Baez to the list. It is mistake to judge attorneys based on their clients. It is also a mistake to assume that because they may defend some of the dregs of society that they are bad people.
What’s the maxim (someone correct this): Better that 10 guilty people go free, than one innocent person be imprisoned?
After all, Atticus Finch was a public defender. And Tom Robinson was considered by many in that time & place to be dregs.
In my view, TT, it’s not the fact that Nurmi & Willcott have chosen to be defense attorneys or even the nature of their client that makes them irksome. They are irksome in habit, behavior, presentation, idiosyncracy… & fully responsible, all on their very lonesome, for their irksomeness. i would find them irksome as tinker, tailor, candlemaker (or is it tinker, tailor, soldier, spy).
They’re not bad per se. They are, however, nauseating. IMO. IMO.
No offense, TT. I am sure your attorney is great, which is why she is in private practice. And I started my post with “many in the legal profession believe…” I probably should have clarified that many in the legal profession believe that about “public defenders”. I know I have seen several fine private criminal attorneys in my day (but personally have not experienced the same when I have observed public defenders in action). Anyway, I was not stating a personal opinion and “the dregs” part was a joke. Lighten up! 🙂
I missed the jury questions to Dr. DM and wondered if anyone could enlighten me or direct me to where I can find them. How were they in comparison to the questions to defense experts? Overall, I think this witness did well and handled JW and her tone and questions very well and if JW scored any small victories they were pretty insignificant. Really, all she had to go on was this experts youth but her intelligence and experience more than made up for her age. I think Jodi is becoming thinner and more stressed because she knows she is about to be escorted off the stage. Personally, I have always believed that she is loving every minute of being center stage throughout this trial good, bad and ugly like a good narcissist. I also think JW told JA to stop with the doodling all day as it was making her look more crazy and that’s why she was more attentive yesterday
Hello i found these on the hln blog, not sure if there were more, hope this helps.
i know there was only a handful asked.
One juror asked: Do you know whose handwriting is on the PDS answer sheet? Martinez is trying to find the answer sheet now.
DeMarte said psychologist Richard Samuels should not have filled out Arias’ PDS answer sheet.
One juror asked: Do you consider Arias shooting, stabbing and slitting Alexander’s throat a traumatic event? DeMarte said it all depends on the person’s reaction to the event. If the person was horrified then yes, it could be traumatic, according to DeMarte.
One juror asked: Do you think trying to delete photos and washing the camera as an attempt to destroy evidence?
DeMarte said yes. She believes it gives the impression Arias was trying to destroy evidence.
(Not sure whaat the question was for this answer) DeMarte said moments of invalidation throughout someone’s life can cause a borderline personality disorder. She gave this example of a moment of invalidation: When a child skins a knee and the parents tells the child to stop crying, because they aren’t hurt.
A juror asked: If you would throw out a PDS test if the test taker lied and said a bear attacked them instead of a tiger a tiger really attacked them? DeMarte said yes, she would through out the results, because it was a different event.
Thank you so much! I was curious how many there were. That’s funny there was only a few compared to the hundreds for the defense experts
Ok, grab your reading glasses, oh you forgot them AGAIN?? Well, damn.
Since these nice introductions can help us get through this Friday:
I’m a early thirties TX gal who had been reading crimelibrary dot com for years until it turned into trutv. I most likely enjoy a bit too much tv in my downtime, all on dvr, but shockingly, I dont watch honey boo boo or dance moms even though I once was a teenage ballerina. lol I suppose I had enough loud teachers back in the day.
Ok, so I love Tamara Tattles’ blog and was lucky enough to find it when I googled “RHONY” last year sometime, and her sassy blog popped up. So very happy it did! I always get the best sweet tea and cool shade here on TT!
I’m beyond thrilled that Tamara is covering this trial in such an exceptional way, us crime readers love theories and strategies, only to watch the defendant go to prison/ death penalty when it’s rightfully owed. Jodi is a calculating psychopath on my opinion. She deserves whatever the jury decides because she murdered that man not twice but 3 times. “A jury will never convict me, mark my words!”, sicker words may not ever have been spoken, how callus can a woman be? Like she doesn’t remember each stabbing swish with her blade, she wanted to see the autopsy photos after her arrest for goodness sake!! She trampled him like a dog when she could have stayed in Cali, what a monster. I can’t wait for Tuesday’s decent back into this mess of a trial, I know it’s getting very close to the end.
I read somewhere there were 19 juror questions yesterday but HLN only posted those few. I really wish I could find the video but I’m at work. I suppose I could catch up on YouTube, is Tamara’s fav croaker queen a YouTube user?
Hi there,
You can also watch the whole thing on You Tube. I have trouble getting what I want when I use their search, so I search on Google- Jodi Arias Trial – Day 50 Part 5
You could also include, “Croaker Queen.” She posts the videos without commercials every day. In the evenings you can watch the whole day’s trial.
Croakerqueen is good. You can also go to Justice 4 Travis, Juan Martinez. or even Det. Florres sites and they post the videos as well as written descriptions of the day’s events. They are very current and post morning and evening videos.
You’re right about YouTube’s search box. But if you go there and type in CrimeTimeVids you can find all of the trial videos, complete, without commercial or SIDEBARS! I absolutely LOVE no sidebars! Check it out!
Mary Jo. – it was Karla Holmolka. She and Paul Bernardo killed 2 young schoolgirls, as we’ll as her younger sister. Paul was known as the Scarborough Rapist. . He committed many rapes and was never caught until after the murders. He and Karla met at a business conference (sound familiar)? Karla received a shortened sentence when she testified against him. She also used the wife-abuse excuse saying he made her abet the murders. But, he never killed anybody until after he married her. They used an anaesthetic she obtained at the Veterinarians office where she worked. They sexually abused their victims before chopping them up and encasing them in cement. Her sister died accidentally from chloroform used while they both sexually abused her. They videotaped everything. She never told police about the tapes. They were discovered accidentally after she had been given limited immunity. She served her time and is now married with 3 children and lives in the Caribbean. Paul is serving a life sentence. We don’t have the death penalty here. I Think she was the more evil of the two. Their chance meeting and marriage was an unfortunate blending of 2 psychopaths.
Oh my God – now I remember. Thanks, Babs.
This story has always been super scary to me. Sorry to hear she is living and has a family since it is a comfort she denied even her own sister.
Oh Karla with the unforgettable hairstyle, there is a special place in hell for her and for Paul. I can’t imagine growing up and finding out my mom was a killer and sexual deviant. Such a terrible story.
I wonder how strict rules are in Canadian prisons, does Paul have crazy fans that get to see him or is he in solitary, I wonder.
Some info can be gleaned re: Paul Bernardo’s life in Canadian prison. Not much, but…
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2010/10/24/prison-life-williams.html
HI Babs: Re: Karla Holmolka and Paul Bernardo, I just wanted to clarify a couple of things. The murder victims were all teenagers, as opposed to very young children. Bernardo committed over 20 rapes and wasn’t caught until after the murders, because
A) It took over 3 years for the DNA test kit to be processed. There were hundreds of suspects, and this was in the VERY early days of DNA,{late 1980’s to 1992} and although he had been interviewed, he was considered a low risk suspect because he voluntarily gave DNA samples, and because, well, he was a psychopath who easily chatted with police and gave no hint that he was in any way concerned about being a suspect.
B) he moved to another city, so the Scarborough rapes had stopped and the pressure was off a little.
RE: “Karla received a 12 year sentence to testify against him. She also used the wife-abuse excuse saying he made her abet the murders.”
In this case she really was abused. On Dec 27, 1992, Bernardo severely beat Homolka with a flashlight on the limbs, head and face. Claiming that she had been in a car accident, the severely bruised Homolka returned to work on January, 4, 1993. Her skeptical co-workers called Homolka’s parents, who assumed they were “rescuing” her the following day by physically removing her from the house. Homolka went back in, frantically searching for something. Her parents took her to St. Catharines General Hospital, where her injuries were documented and she gave a statement to the Niagara Regional Police, claiming she had been a battered spouse, and filed charges against Bernardo. He was arrested but later released on his own recognizance. You can find pictures online. At least she had documented the black eyes and bruising after he beat her, unlike Jodi who has no proof of injuries, other than her own claims.
Re: he never killed anybody until after he married her.
This isn’t actually correct. They killed Karla’s sister December 23, 1990 in her parent’s house while they were dating, just six months before their wedding.
On June 15, 1991, two weeks before their wedding, Bernardo kidnapped Leslie Mahaffy, who was standing at the door of her home. Leslie had told her parents she would be home by 11 p.m., after attending the wake of her friend who had died in a car crash – she arrived home at 2 a.m. (Her mom had locked her out of the house to teach her a lesson, because she had become quite rebellious). Homolka and Bernardo held Leslie Mahaffy hostage for 24 hours, repeatedly sexually assaulting her. They recorded the assaults on videotape, including one scene in which Homolka pretties herself for the camera before raping the girl.
Homolka claimed later that Bernardo had strangled the heavily drugged Mahaffy with an electrical cord. Bernardo said that she died while he was out of the room, that Homolka had killed her with an overdose of Halcion. They put her body into the basement until they could decide how to get rid of it.
The following day Homolka’s parents visited for Father’s Day dinner (while Leslie’s body was in the basement!!). After her parents left, Bernardo cut up Leslie Mahaffy’s body and encased the parts in cement, which he dumped off a bridge into Lake Gibson.
On June 29, the badly prepared cement blocks were found, one of which had split open to reveal its contents. That very day, at about the same time, Homolka and Bernardo were married in a lavish ceremony, riding together in a horse-drawn carriage at Niagara-on-the-Lake.
RE: They sexually abused their victims before chopping them up and encasing them in cement.
Only Leslie was put in cement.
Karla’s sister Tammy had been re-dressed and put into a basement bedroom, before they cleaned up the scene and called 911.
Kristen French was left in a country ditch, nude, with her long, dark hair cut very short, but otherwise intact.
Boston, Cambridge & surrounds, our thoughts are with you as this unfolds… special thoughts of the children, in particular (what they must be experiencing!), and for the immediate bystanders, law enforcement & their families… so insufficient to say “be safe, take care, hold steady,” but I do.
Hln too many ads, too much recaps, too much commentary,i’d like to get some work done. Donovan is JA’s troll..tweets for her, runs her errands probably. Even Hitler had friends. Jodi will have a huge following in jail,many followers happy to serve the narcissist. She’ll get her needs met in jail. Will probably end up being hln commentator or Willmott’s legal assistant.
I am SO desperately wishing and hoping that somehow, some way, ObiJuan can get in the repeated tire slashing…I think there’s not much chance, but i DO NOT understand why that was not allowed in?? And, someone wrote about housework – what’s housework?? My place has only had a quick vac during commercials for WEEKS!! LOL..
I was amazed (& heartened) when the Xmas Tree got in, yesterday, via the Dr’s testimony. Apparently, Willcott opened the door (though, perhaps, someone here could remind us how exactly.) Why that same “door opening” wouldn’t also let the tire slashing squeeze in, I don’t know… but I imagine because the tire slashing is attributed to JA on speculation (whereas the Xmas tree was somehow substantiated?) I’d be amazed (& heartened) to see the Tire Slashing get in, too, but I don’t see it happening.
from one jane to another.if jodi arias has verdict of life….bet your last dollar she will get married from jail she is being held at.also another got ya moment she will try to pull off….conception in jail.there is no end to her thoughts of can i get away w/this.mark my words she is very board w/her life.i even suspect her activity w/ways to make a dollar fm her jail cell;will test the limits of cyber space law.she needs to feel the rath of GOD.
tks for the special welcome format.im a ol timmer when it comes to investagative tv.i’m even aware when rerun episode has been updated w/new information changes.also new casting of actors.you can only watch so much law and order.most legal documentation has it’s place.in theroy you can apply it when you need it.ie.common sense data.which jodi arias does’n have.she does’nt have the ability to think theroy out w/possible variabiles.that’s where she made most of her mistakes in this crime….also she couldn’t let go of her hobby.the love of photography,ps all aspects of this addiction.it’s worse than being on drugs for her mental stability!
I agree. i hope the tire slashing can sneak its way it somehow ! And on another note, i was kind of iffy on those jury questions about why wouldnt jodi just have took the camera with her if she was trying to organize? OR the bear and tiger question :/ do you guys think that there are some jodi supporters on the jury ? i freakin hope not!!!!
As much as I found the Dr was very effective and certainly held her own with exceptional maturity and restraint (she’s probably a bit rigid by nature & this worked in her favour), I was very nervous re: her response to Tiger/Bear. She started out okay &, then, fumbled the ball (IMO) when she said O, their responses would be completely different. I was hoping she’d go in the direction of tigers & bears being apples & apples. A person, making that slip, would still be describing the same traumatic event and their response would be applicable, consistent, in line w/ one specific wild animal attack. In JA’s case, physical/emotional abuse by stranger years ago & physical/emotional abuse by current boyfriend seems more apples & oranges to me – in time, place, history, relationship, emotional content & context, etc, etc, etc.
Jane, I so agree with you about that question. She should have used that analogy. Hopefully, the other jurors will set whoever asked that question straight about why the initial lie on the PTSD test invalidated the whole test.
A bit worrisome, though, Daryl. Wish we could have a do over… sigh. But gotta allow her one slip up. She did so well over all. (But, damn!)
Maybe this will help with the bear vs. tiger question asked by the juror.
For purposes of my own analogy and simple understanding, I chose to use bear vs. bumblebees.
There is one question in the PTSD Test describing the actual trauma event, then a subset of questions related to triggers & intrusive thoughts about this trauma event.
In his testimony – Dr. Samuels said he “wouldn’t” have disregarded his PTSD Test findings even if he knew Arias lied about being attacked by Ninjas because she would have answered the subset questions the same way whether she was attacked by Ninjas (bears) or Travis (bumblebees).
Dr. DeMarte said “If the trauma event was a lie, then the subset of questions are invalid because the subset answers must be relevant to the trauma event. In other words, if the trauma event was a bear, but triggers and intrusive thoughts are related to stinging – this scenario cannot be valid.
In her made up story aka BIG FAT LIE, Arias reportedly escapes from the Ninjas. She also NEVER pulled a gun from a shelf to shoot the Ninjas (bears).
I side with Dr. DeMarte 100%.
The PTSD Test would be invalid if the trauma event was a lie because the triggers for bears vs. bumblebees are going to be different, NOT the same (as Dr. Samuels would have us believe).
I tried to figure why she would say the answers would be different. I think it might have to do with remembering the trauma. If you were attacked by a bear, you would not be upset or have flashbacks when seeing a tiger. And talking about a tiger would not bring back memories of the bear attack. The answer troubled me, too, so I wish she would have explained why she answered it that way. I’m sure there is a reason.
Janna, I love your bear & bumblebees & agree entirely. And, when asked 1st question re: this, Demarte seemed to begin to answer along this rationale. However (& maybe I misheard so I’ll go back & listen again), when Willmott asked the question again, slightly altered & bungled, it sounded to me like Demarte got “turned around” & answered that a person, who slipped up & said tiger instead of bear, would answer the subset questions VERY DIFFERENTLY. I don’t think she meant to say this.
The difference between bears & tigers is inconsequential & wouldn’t affect subset answers. One specific wild animal attack. The difference between bears & bumblebees is huge and more resembles Jodi’s screw-up re: stranger-abuser long ago & recent boyfriend-abuser. Both of these would (IMO) significantly affect subset answers. Yes, if one claimed bumblebees & answered subset questions with bumbles in mind, the test would be invalid for bears. But, if one said bear, when they actually encountered lion, & answered subset questions with bears in mind, I think the subset answers are also valid for lion (or wooly mammoth or loch nest monster or…) Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
In any case, I totally agree w/ your bears & bumbles (& am just spinning my wheels w/ the above. I thought I heard DeMarte inadvertently go back on her rationale.)
The tire slashing came in at the first of the trial through Mimi Hall who was going to Cancun with Travis, and found the body.
Thanks! (Did it stay in or “objection sustained?”)
Lisa tried to mention the tire slashing but the defense cut her off and she had to say ‘some weird things were happening’.
To clarify, did I understand that Lisa’s tires were slashed once and Travis’ tires slashed twice? If either of them would have made a police report could the report have been brought in as evidence?
So. it’s not wayyyyyy IN? I’ve never been clear, Rose, on whether or not there are police reports of these things… I don’t get the sense there were (which is rather odd if the slashing was repetitive, ogoing.)
I agree (again!). Why no police reports for multiple tire slashings? But even without them, it’s for sure that JA gave Travis multiple slashings!
It doesn’t make sense to me that TA didn’t make police reports for the slashed tires… except for the fact that he did not want his true relationship with JA revealed. Getting police involved might have opened up Pandora’s box for all to see if JA was questioned by police and that was what he was trying to avoid.
He probably didnt report it because he knew how psycho she was and maybe afraid of what she would do ? …. i mean look what ended up happening 🙁
Think you’re right, Tori.
Hey everyone, what piece of evidence would you want admissible in court that has not been presented to the jury yet?
Tire slashing? Are the interviews with her parents included already? Those are the most damning to me, aside from the gruesome evidence photos which cannot be denied by anyone how brutal she was to TA.
I would love for the videos of her parents interrogations to be admitted, but ive heard over and over they cant 🙁
OR the fact that jodi was signed up to be going to cancun with travis in the beginning then it changed last minute!! Im sure that’ll prove to the jury that she really was pissed the hell off that Travis decided NOT to take her after all.
Yeah, why can’t the ticket & reservation change info come in?
(You see, I don’t properly understand the concept “prejudical” – uh-oh, I can’t even spell prejudical!)
Im not sure if it CANT come in, im really hoping it does. Maybe Juan can bring in someone who was in charge of the whole trip?? That would be awesome! I really wish we can find his rebuttal witness list !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope Juan calls Lenora Walker (battered wife syndrome pioneer & author of book the Dr referenced) to testify that she, indeed, DOES continue to use her 6 pt criteria (despite Willmott’s evil little impeachment attempt.) Did you catch Nancy Grace’s interview w/ her post-Willmott’s flawed attempt (talk about impeachment!)? don;t generally follow Grace, but awesome save!
I saw that interview Jane, im not sure if she can be called but i do love the fact that when Willmott told Demarte that she doesnt even use it anymore Demarte didnt take Willmott’s word for it she kept saying “i believe thats inaccurate” & she was right!
Excellent moment! Endeared me to her no end! That’s self-confidence, confidence in your grasp of your stuff. Remember, too, when she said something like “you might want to double check your sources” – was the same moment? I swear, though, several times, Willcott looked blindly down to her mess of papers & you could hear the anxiety shake her voice. Crazy good!
Someone on this blog, last week, said they had heard, but was not able to confirm, that someone from the booking agency for the Cancun trip was going to be called as a rebuttal witness stating that JA was going on the trip but had been dropped and someone else, MH, was added. That would be interesting testimony! Can’t you see Willmott and Nurmi squirming!
While I don’t know all of the rebuttal witnesses, I have read that someone from Walmart to say there was NO return of a gas can on 6-3-08 as JA said and also a rep from the Cancun cruise so someone is getting their wish.
REALLLY?! where did you hear about the rep ?
Tori it came out a couple of weeks ago, maybe right after JM confronted JA @ the return of the gas cans. Since that time there has been an al,ost total black-out on the rebuttal witness list.
I’ve also read that a young couple who provided the video tape of Travis telling a story about a gun being held to a group of friends at a home party are on the rebuttal witness list. They will testify that Arias was asked to leave their home, was also told she wasn’t welcome, and instead of leaving as asked, Arias STAYED!!! I’ll try to find the name of this couple.
I really hope the Walmart rep , cancun person, and that couple are on the list! I seen the couples interview on Dr. Drew .
My bad – meant to say “holding a gun to his head”
Found info about the young couple on rebuttal witness list.
Dr. Drew interviewed Hollie and Jacob Mefford on HLN. They provided the network with a videotape showing several friends gathered together after a convention in Ok City in 2006.
Travis had tells a true story about his near-death experience during a botched robbery. In the videotape, JA is resting her head in Travis’ lap.
Easy to find using Google.
1.A representative from the Cancun trip company where Travis won the trip 18 months before he was killed to prove motive by testifying that originally Travis had Jodi Arias’s name on the ticket and took it off and put Mimi Hall’s name in her place.
2. A Wal-Mart representative to prove pre-meditation by testifying that Jodi never returned the third gas can.
3. A Salt Lake gas station representative to prove pre-meditation by testifying that gas was only sold when Jodi filled up the car tank and three gas cans after the murder.
4. A police detective to prove pre-meditation by testifying that none of the knives found in Travis’s house were the murder weapon and the shell casing found at the crime scene matched the .25 caliber bullets found at Jodi’s parents home.
6. IT specialist, perhaps they were able to recover what was on Jodi’s destroyed laptop the police found in her storage locker.
5. The Mefford couple were added recently to testify about Jodi coming to their home uninvited and refusing to leave.
7. Rumors of Lenore Walker
Are these for sure witnesses or these witnesses are what you are hoping for ?
I thought Jodi had just a little blood on her hands in the car. I believe she showered with the dead body before leaving…
And those names are names in the rumor mill (at least some of them) for some reason, the rebuttal witness list is not public.
Nice list, Janna!
Tamara — I’ve only seen those names floating around and cannot authenticate degree of accuracy. Hope it was okay to share the list with your readers.
I’m a first time reader of your blog and really appreciate the healthy attitude and sense of companionship among your followers.
Thanks for sharing!
Of course it is, Janna! And welcome to TT!
Did anyone notice – in the video when TA was telling his gun story, JA was first sitting up. Then when she attempted to reposition and rest her head on his leg – TA held tight and never let go of her hand. I often wondered why he did that. Did anyone else notice this?
Now that I hear JA was asked to leave the couple’s home, I’ll bet she did something inappropriate while resting on him. I pay a lot of attention to details.
I noticed that SMITSA he held on to her hand and didnt let go, that really contradicts the fact that she said he didnt show affection in public.
Sweet Tea, I’d be happy as a clam if the original 911 audio recording came into court because the female caller refers to Jodi Arias as a suspect from the get go.
Bingo!!! This jury has to be hearing all this evidence even bit by tiny slipped in bit by the prosecution. I can’t wait for ObiJuan to go back in to JA about her being a cold blooded disgusting psycho killer. (Showering with the body, wow Tamara!? I can believe it, she is so detached from how a normal person would feel about being nearly on top of a mutilated ex boyfriend!) Cold blooded indeed, she is a bad seed.
I was abused and neglected as a child, went into foster care homes and I turned out pretty great, not sure how but I did. I may be more resilient than some but she is ever the chameleon, completely selfish and morphed herself into a killer, she knew she would probably have to kill him when she started driving to Mesa AZ. She played sweet Jodi even in her journals for years, liar!!
Is there a friend or friends of TA that could testify positively that TA broke up with JA? She testified that SHE broke up with him but I have heard two of TA’s friends that were interviewed on HLN that he planned to break up with her.
I also wish the jury could find out that the ring JA stole was an engagement ring. I don’t understand why that can’t be brought in.
And I hope the jury remembers JA climbed through the doggy door! There’s something really, really wrong about that.
Yes, Rose, there is. There truly is something really, really wrong with that.
(It not right that we’ve got all these idiotic, hilarious nutbar images rattling around in our brains alongside the heartbreaking vileness of the autopsy photos. But we do. I can’t imagine how the Alexander family reconciles it… it’s irreconcilable.)
There is something really, really wrong with allowing Arias to make pedophile accusations against Travis (with NO evidence except her word) but not allowing the admission of evidence about Arias stealing an engagement ring from Travis.
Something smells rotten IMO.
Again, yes, really, really wrong. JA’s been allowed to blither on ad nauseum, broadcasting accusations and weaving inferences re: Travis (talk about character assassination!), but issues of admissibility, prejudice, hearsay, etc keep out what appear to be more substantiated factors re: JA’s actions. However, maybe I’m just really in the dark re: how much concrete evidence actually exists to support certain things… in which case, DAMN! But to have to listen to JA & LaLittleViolina go on & on & on with their vile deceptions & flaky fairy dust… something’s really, really wrong with that. Now, I’m waiting for the jury to completely misunderstand the difference between reasonable & UNREASONABLE doubt (a la Casey Anthony case.) THAT’S when it goes really, really wrong and can’t ever go right again.
JA and her attorneys sent a letter to JM agreeing to plead to 2nd degree murder. He said no thanks. She then sent him another letter and said she would drag Travis’ name through mud as well as the Mormon church and that it would all be very painful for his family. Again, JM told her to bug off. Good for him. I believe she is going down for the whole thing, 1st degree premeditated murder.
So conniving & sickening on her part, so stalwart & impervious on Juan’s. God, I hope you’re correct.
Wouldd like the part where she put the dog in room so it wouldnt run thry blood. Me thiks organized thinking as Demarte said.
Speaking of the dog, lola… I still can’t get over how, in the Jodi Version of That Last Day, she arrives at the house in the middle of the night, walks right in, leans in the door frame to watch Travis, ever-so-adorable, watching something on his computer… and the dog never barks. The dog never barks. The dog never riggles. The dog never riggles or snuffles or greets.
I’ve had dogs all my life. Doesn’t happen.
The poor doggy, where is he?
And talk about PTSD. Can you imagine! Shut up in the room. With all the… (I’m not even going there.) The dog would be with the siblings, hopefully?
Along same lines, I still don’t get how the roommate was oblivious for as long as he was. Don’t get it.
Wouldn’t the jury have a hay day if they knew JA had a gun and knives packed in her vehicle when she got busted ???
That evidence will NOT make into the courtroom because it’s too prejudicial! Hahahahaaaaa. Go figure!
I wonder if TA packed her KILLER’S GO PACK with plans of heading back to Utah to butcher (Bryan?) for not sleeping with her after her little killing spree?
Oops! I meant JA packed her GO Pack.
Supposedly Arias had 2 knives and a 9 mm gun with ammo.
I agree she was on a mission of some sort!
On After Dark last night one of TA’s friends said he feared for his and his families life when he heard TA had been murdered. He said he called friend to warn them. Who knows what she had in mind with that gun and 2 knives.
Speaking of knives, do you know of any woman that carries a knife or two around with her? Something very, very weird that she’d have 2 knives, let along packing 2 knives and a gun when she was leaving!! She must have had a thing about knives, don’t ya’ think?
Well, I assume you mean other than GG from Shahs of Sunset? She has names for hers…
Drives me nuts! The jury never gets to consider what seems to me one of the most significant, illuminating episodes in the overall narrative. And, seriously, what an exposé it would be: JA forces herself onto the all-male camping trip guest list, takes a firearm to protect herself from anticipated sexual assault by her fellow campers, packs blades in her getaway car… all the creepy, tell-tale elements of the larger story in condensed form.
Prejudicial? I’m thinking COGENT.
I would like an incourt demonstration of ‘the story of the closet shelves” where Arias claims she placed one foot on the shelf to be able to reach the gun. Those shelves rest on pegs and if any weight were put on the edge, the shelf would collapse. A visual aid for the jury would be great.
Hi everyone I haven’t posted much but keep up with everything thru TT’s blog and HLN,but still haven’t found out was blood ever found downstairs or in rental car.I feel she cleaned up upstairs before leaving but she testified that she woke from fog covered in blood.Does anyone know if rental car had blood I it?Did they test it with luminol?Did they ever recover gas cans?What about her luggage?Any blood on anything if she was covered in blood on drive out of Mesa?
Darla, The man at rental car business testified he found stains in front and back seats that looked like kool-aid. I remember reading on another blog the stains were found to be from hair color chemicals. I don’t believe the gas cans were ever recovered. If you review Darryl Brewer’s testimony, I believe he testified the cans were never returned to him by Arias.
Thanks Janna.If they tested the car and found no blood at all,(there should have been tons according to Jodi testifying she had blood all over and had to clean up with bottles of water)that would definitely prove to be a lie of awakening from fog covered in the blood.Why has this been overlooked in contradicting her testimony?
Janna,do you know if there were a hung jury(God forbid) would JW and KN have to continue to represent JA in retrial?I think I have PTSD just from watching trial on HLN, I dont know if my mental status could make it thru a Jodi retrial! LOL
Darla – I agree with your way of thinking. Arias has told so many lies and mistruths, it must be challenging for the Prosecution Team to select which ones to spotlight.
I have no idea about the “hung jury” question as it relates to attorneys for the Defendant. It’s her show. There may be a small cache of attorneys who’d jump at the chance to enter this ring of fire IMO.
I’m not too sure there would be lawyers jumping to defend Arias if there is a hung jury…God forbid! Another blog had information about the lawyers that did not want to be on her case. Nurmi tried 4 times to get off but because a court date was set before he tried to get off, the judge made him stay. Willmott was the third or fourth attorney and I believe she was appointed by the judge!
Also, the floor mats were missing when JA returned the car. That has already been testified to on one of the 1st days of the trial.
There is 0% chance that she left that home covered in his blood. What time did she leave? Before the roommate was due to get off work and come home? That would be after work traffic if during the week. Someone would have spotted her. I do think her attack was very quick, he died from blood loss within minutes if I’m not mistaken, (no I don’t believe that “he charged her” story).
She was quick after realizing he was still not taking her on the trip, probably had a solid plan. How on earth was she able to get out without a scrape unless that’s how she ouchied her wittle finger? Because she slaughtered him when he was most vulnerable.
Then she tip toed through the desert, disposed of the weapons and went to cuddle with another man, Travis’ friend! Poor poor ptsd Jodi, she needed hugs after realizing what a monster she really was. Sick!!!
And the strangest thing we learned Thursday from Dr. D was that she met a different man on the plane home from the memorial, they exchanged phone numbers, and she called him. That’s so much more than a hootchie mama!
It is late so forgive me, but why do they not have court on Friday? Is it the entire court house or just this judge?
KWM
Someone here said Juan Martinez’ page says there was a non-public hearing today. It’s likely this was to hash out jury instructions since we’re nearing the end of the trial. I know those can take two days, too, so this may be the reason they’re not at trial on Monday, too,
Thank you,KWM. I have been wondering about the hearing. That makes perfect sense to me.
MJ
Has anyone here been in a jury for a murder case? I have been called for jury duty a bunch of times but have either been dismissed or the cases settled before trial. My BFF was on a murder case in CT, 3 weeks she cancelled their paper, cable, Internet and got rid of her smart phone so she would not accidentally read about the case. She said the 3 weeks was a nightmare, I can’t even imagine what 9 weeks ( or is it 10) must be like for the jury.
I actually have served on a murder trial, but not a death penalty case. The first jury ended after a death threat was called in to one of the jurors. I live in a very small county and there are no secrets here. We were ordered not to watch the news, read the paper, or answer our own phone (I live alone so the judge ordered me to let ALL calls go to voicemail). We served for 11 days. I must say that all of us were what you would want on a jury. We followed the judge’s orders and we DID NOT discuss the case during our time in the jury room. I found Nurmi’s remarks about the jury not following the judge’s instructions insulting! I believe he said something to the effect of ‘It’s a fairytale to believe the jury has not been seeing the coverage of thish trial’. To me that means that not one of us can get a fair trial anywhere b/c the system doesn’t work. JA is receiving a trial by her peers as we are all promised. Maybe it’s the set of facts that KN doesn’t like. I try not to give advice, but I feel so passionately about this that I want to remind you younger people on this site to answer any juror summons you get. If you don’t serve then there can be no jury of your peers and you may need one down the road.
I would love to serve on a jury. For some reason, I’ve lived in the same city (for part of the year) for the last 22 years and have never received a jury summons. My parents, on the other hand, have received dozens in the small county where they live. They never get to serve. Might have something to do with the jury questionnaire when they ask you about your family and their professions. Their answers go something like this: “retired chief of police; police captain; sheriff’s deputy; lawyer (civil, not criminal); jail superintendent.” It pisses them off each and every time that they get booted.
I think the bear/tiger thing should have been explained like this. If you write tiger but it is really a bear, then the response would be to bears not tigers. For example, one would not go to bear funerals, send grandma bears flowers, call friends of bears, or profess undying love for bears. If the respondent wrote tigers you would look for tigers to be a trigger. If there was in fact no tiger and the person seemed to really like bears, then one would conclude that the respondent was malingering and the test would be invalid.
She sort of whiffed the ball a bit there by not going into enough detail.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
!! ~ Excellent example Tamara. – One would have to deal with “unbear-able” phobias probably for quite sometime throughout the rest of their life. LOL !
(rim shot please…) ~ !!
Lions and Tigers and Bears………..Oooh my!!!!!!
I did not understand that question at all having PTSD once myself after I my son. A bear attack or tiger attack is still a traumatizing event. It is the “attack” that would cause the trauma. I agree with Dr D that the “triggering events” would be different. Meaning you if were attacked by a bear and you went to the zoo, you may avoid visiting the bears due to it causing a trigger which could potentially lead to a panic attack. If you visited the tigers, chance are that you would not experience a triggering event.
“after I lost my son”.
O, mamarj!
The bear/tiger question confused me as well, but I think it was asked in response to one of Dr. D’s statements. When she was discussing the PTSD tests, didn’t she say something to the effect that one’s answers would be different in response to an attack by a stranger as opposed to an attack by a loved one? Essentially, they would both fall under the umbrella of “Vicious Attack”, but the effect on a victim would be different according to the scenario.
I interpreted the juror question as wanting to confirm that: while an attack by either a bear or a tiger would still be considered “Attacked By An Animal”, a victim’s response to questions regarding an attack by either of them would be different from the other.
My theory, anyway.
Im hoping that question does not mean there is one Jodi supporter on the jury, because all she needs is one.
Crossed my mind, Jodi. I didn’t like the feel of that question… & the DR’s response seemed to get a little messed up.
That question seemed like a challenge, a chance to rattle Dr. D. I was satisfied with the answer because I’m all in for the prosecution. Am I correct that both sides see the questions before hand and agree or object to them and the Judge decides if it shall be asked in court?
Don’t know either if the witness gets a “heads up”.
Im not sure if the witness gets a heads up but i know both sides decide and judge makes the ultimate decision to let them through .
That makes perfect sense. I remember an interview with Travis Barker and he says he can’t fly anymore after the plan crash so he drives, takes the train or a boat. So when the doctor was talking bears and tigers I thought of him. The plane crash was the PTSD trigger, and while all the above fall under the umbrella of transportation it is only the plane that is his trigger. So while tigers and bears are animals the trigger would be the specific animal.
If that makes sense.
Tori, are you going to let Jane get away with that?
Get away with what? lol i missed it
No, No! I agree KWM. Plus, I loved tt’s entry up top! (I’ve officially bowed out of the Bear/Tiger, Bear/Bumblebee, Apples/Apples, Apples/Oranges… as i clearly hallucinated a slip & am not expressing myself very well… nothing new with that!) I’m so pro Dr. D, so pro Juan. See me bowing, Daryl, and backing off stage, bowing, scraping, bowing… Gone!
I know, Tori! Get away w/ what? What did I do? I’m so ashamed, whatever it was!
Lmao Jane! i have no idea what you could have done!!!!!!
No, seriously, Tori, you should see me! I’m crawling around the house on hands & knees, in fear that people are spying on me from cyberspace. Not that this trial has affected my mental health in any way whatsoever… I sure hope Google.maps isn’t updating today on my street!
Okay, Daryl, off w/ the Invisibility Cloak. Get out here & explain yourself! God forbid my dear husband should get home from Oldtimers Soccer & find me in this state!
LMAO!! Tell me about it Jane , me and my mom are so wrapped up in this trial ! Everyday my mom comes up with a new scenario on how June 4th played out , im like we will NEVER know the truth 🙁
But seriously i wanna know what you did ? So i can then plan for the appropriate consequences??? lmao
And if I find out that Daryl’s been out enjoying Sunday Brunch or doing something constructive… grrrrrrrr!
(You & your Mom just carry on with pride. And wave from google.map if you get a chance… that’s my hand, inching above the window sill, to wave back!)
I think this is the most logical response. Thanks for answering this. I had asked earlier and didn’t get any feedback. Since I’m new here, maybe I just don’t know how to navigate! 🙂
The question really disturbed me, because it was so obviously sarcastic, and appeared to me as pro-defense.
Praying there is not a crazy hold-out who causes a mistrial.
DeeDee it seemed very sarcastic to me too , which is why im getting a lil nervous
Exactly!
But Jane & Deedee , whether its PTSD or BPD, it really doesnt matter i think there is so much evidence against her & Juans rebuttal witnesses are KEY.
Your keystrokes to God’s ears!
(Damn that bear/lion question!)
I seem to remember Dr. Samuels testifying that although his evaluation was based on Jodi’s Ninja story his conclusion would have been that she suffered from PTSD, regardless of the cause of the trauma. His opinion is trauma was trauma. i think whoever posed the question wanted to check the veracity of that statement
After the Boston coverage+ JA stuff – needed a media break. Catching up on TT – I first humbly apologize for not introducing myself to TT and the like minds here. I’m carrying a tradition of court watching I’ve been doing since OJ. It was a BGF mind meld my wonderful Mom and I used to do together. She just passed away this last year after I took care of her for 8 years. I found myself wandering aimlessly since the CA trial. She was “always right” about cases! (lol) But I digress. Just want to say, I’m worried about those 2 jury questions too and still think at least 1 juror is smitten with JA’s Maybelline eyes… That said don’t forget – random lottery picks only 12 !! […where are you Mom? 🙂 Everybody is great here, thanks Tamara for allowing me aboard. ~ cmc in ohio
Hi, Justus. I am new here , too. I’ve been a trial watcher since the OJ trial as well. The old Court TV site was fun and I posted there there during several trials and made some very nice online friends. (I mention this just to see if maybe you posted there, too.)
Anyway, this seems to be a very good site with some nice posters. I’m sorry to read bout your loss. It kind of changes our out look on life when we lose our mothers…at least it changed mine.
Looking forward to discussing the trial with you and everyone here.. No trial ’til Tuesday? Has anyone heard anything about Friday’s hearing?
MJ
Sorry about posting before I read all the posts. Maybe my questions have been answered already.
MJ
While I believe that this trial has gone way off course, and should be more about the horrible murder of Travis as opposed to whatever the Hell is wrong with Arias, there are many fascinating things about it.
I think that the defense “experts” were biased toward Arias because they were easy to wrap around her finger; an older gentleman and a fairly butch older lesbian would be easy targets for someone who is used to using her “sexiness” (I’m using quotation marks, because I personally don’t see it.)
However, she would have been more antagonistic toward Dr. D during her evaluation, because she would perceive her as a threat/competition: young, attractive, smart, successful–she’s the anti-Jodi. She wouldn’t have been able to try to charm her while seeing her as that threat.
Also interesting: her use of makeup while Dr. D has been testifying. First day, just some mascara. Second day, a little eye shadow added (all of it washed off later, so she could appear more “ill”). Thursday, full on makeup, foundation and blush. She didn’t even resort to makeup during her cold sore period, but felt the need to break it out while Dr. D is on the stand. She’s on trial for her LIFE, for pete’s sake, and still shallow enough to feel threatened by another attractive woman.
Fascinating.
My thoughts exactly
Ditto! JA’s pathological need to seduce, who gets sucked in, who’s impervious, who (for example, Dr. D) really rattles JA’s cage & inflames her pathology most…. fascinating & core. Why would we NOT find the telltale signs compelling? i recall that, a few days ago, several of us were remarking on the makeup flux, while careful to note that we’re generally not concerned w/ such things. Yet, as Elissa01 points out so well, these are interesting, elucidating shifts… not, of course, from a legal perspective, but certainly in terms of human behavior?
(And, curious to me in terms of who’s advising this defendant – because there’s been a concerted & undeniable visual/persona strategy… which, IMO, has started to eat its own tail. i don’t think the defense team, much less their “expert witnesses,” had any idea what they were dealing w/ in JA.)
“its own t-a-i-l” not “its own t-a-l-l” (can’t find my glasses.)
You are right, Jane!! From what I read, arias forged TEN letters supposedly from Travis to HER saying things like “I want you to wear boy underpants so I can tear them off” and “only when I’m with you, I don’t feel attracted to little boys” and other CARP that supported her warped view of the world. Nurmi was her attorney, but Wilma wasn’t. NO ATTORNEY CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE HE KNOWS IS A LIE because he is an OFFICER OF THE COURT! Therefore, when Nurmi found out these were forgeries, he refused to present them…as a result, SHE FIRED HIM, and decided to go Pro Per!
An analysis of the handwriting was done,(I am assuming by the prosecution) and proved to have been written by arias, so she lost that round in the battle. She then went to the judge because she was “in over her head” and Nurmi was ordered to be her attorney AGAIN!! If I remember correctly, he has TRIED to withdraw from this case at LEAST FOUR times! Even going so far as to leave the state’s employ and open his own office. The judge ruled even THEN that he had to stay on the case, but ordered that he be paid an amount as a private attorney, not a court appointed attorney.
He doesn’t want to be there!!! I’m guessing that he doesn’t like her crazed micromanagement of the case…or her lies… Arias’ personal smiley: :):
How to know if Arias is lying: are her lips moving?
I’m going to write a book…Lying Liars and the Bastids Who Defend Them…
So, interesting, vocalvapor… I only knew vaguely of SOME of the above. Again, having no sense of specifics re: courtroom constraints, I find this kind of stuff hugely cogent. I don’t think i could ever be a juror, given how much I’m beginning to know about how much I would never be permitted to know. I’m such an impressionist – and would be dismissed from the get-go (w/ a hearty laugh.)
(PS: You never answered my question – sniffle, sniffle – re: the availability of vapor-rettes in Canada!)
And, yes (sorry I go on, christ!!), as you note, Nurmi obviously DID have a clue what he was dealing with (& tried to escape)… as did (apparently) many others (def attorneys as well as bonafide expert witnesses), who ran for the hills rather than have their professional reputations obliterated by association.
I think JA purposely lied to DeMarte about certain things to make it look as though DeMarte was not a professional. There was certainly a discrepancy between what Willmott was told and what DeMarte was told about boyfriends and jobs, maybe other things, too, that I didn’t catch.
A master manipulator would certainly have been sure to manipulate the hell out of the psychiatric evaluator for the State. No doubt, Dr. D’s professional distance (not to mention her maturity, attractiveness, overall achievement, similarity in age & appearance…) would have really, really picked JA’s butt (& we know the love/hate relationship she has w/ THAT!)
Even though I want to see this trial end as soon as possible, so that justice can be made for Travis and his family. I really would love to see the jury wait until June 4th, the date she killed Travis in cold blood, and then stand up and find her guilty of 1st degree murder and ask for the death penalty. There would not be any better justice than for her to hear her fate on the anniversary date of her brutal crime
The Justice 4 Travis site just sent the most interesting article to my fb page. I use to visit and comment there earlier in the trial. It became difficult to have a conversation there b/c of name-calling, you get the picture. I’m going to list the author and title so that y’all can read if interested. This is from a CBS author who made one on the earlier tapes and visited with JA pre-trial. “Meeting Jodi Arias…” by Jonathan Leach.
Would appreciate reading. Thanks, peachteachr!
PeachTeacher: Where do we find that article by Mr Leach “meeting jodi arias”?
You can find it by typing in the name and article title in Google. It’s on Huffpost, I believe.
Searched title & journalist on Huff & it came up right away. Very telling read, told from an “insider” perspective, who gained access back in the day, when JA was first workshopping her script.
Couldn’t help but notice, though, how Leach begins by describing us, the trial obsessed, as more or less a bloodthirsty lynch mob, over-processing minutia… then, proceeds to document exactly those things that have informed & riled us.
Also, found interesting the line where Leach talks about how, over time, the family & JA began to “trust” him. Hmmmm… “trust” him to do what exactly? LaVioletta was also very big on cultivating “trust” & equally as convinced she’d been uniquely successful. “Trust,” in this sorry tale, takes on a rather disturbing twist, having way too much to do w/ the Art of Manipulation & making Pacts with the Devil. “Trust,” they say… Too cynical of me to think that the muderess, the journalist & the psychobabblist were all in it for ultimate personal gain?
The article’s well worth reading. Thanks, puravidacostarica!
“murderess” not “muderess”… jeez!
To thevocalvaper – here is the link, just in case you can’t find it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-leach/meeting-jodi-arias-first-_b_2526098.html
Thanks, VV, I’m a techno-idiot so I went old school and gave title and author. No, I don’t miss card catalogues in libraries. 🙂
Interrogated by Detective Flores, J.A. mentions a book she had been reading :
M.Scott Peck, M.D.’s ” The Road Less Traveled” (1978). He has written other books :
“People of the Lie” (1982) and “Glimpses of the Devil : A Psychiatrist’s Personal
Accounts of Possession, Exorcism and Redemption” (2005). Did J.A. come upon
“The Road Less Traveled” after Alexander described her as Satanic ? None of the
theories of the 4 mental health experts has explained to me why J.A. would stab
multiple times and then shoot him. The eternal verities, among them, demonic
possession, makes a lot more sense to me. It explains why J.A. (as she told JdM)
felt “empty” inside. In religious terms, her immortal soul (the real J.A.) got smaller and smaller taken over ( perhaps from a very early age ) by another presence.
JdM’ s theory of J. M.’s fear of abandonment/clinging desperately to men ? I can’t
think of anything worse than the desolation stemming from isolation from G…
She turned to Wicca. Who of us hasn’t fooled around with some form of the
occult ? She converted to Mormonism which is a type of occultism. At one point
in the trial J. A. speaks about certain men advanced spiritually, who are given the
secret advanced teachings of Mormonism : the secret, hidden to fellow humans
( including women) occult teachings. Those of us brought up in the
Judeo/Christian tradition ( when we choose to remember ) know that G…
abominates occultism and other false gods. There is no religion that does not have its pantheon of evil spirits. Given my theory ( no better or worse than the
human-generated psychological theories competing in this trial ) who really
wins if the State of Arizona puts JA to death ? Is the real criminal being
prosecuted ? Occasionally, I see something else leering out of J.A.’s face, something
else moving her tongue obsenely around the inside of her mouth, as she sits at the defence table, some other presence on a world wide media stage spewing filth
over all of us who watch this trial. His Satanic Majesty, a media star, who has weakened the Roman Catholic and Anglican Churches through sexual scandels, is
making headway with the Mormans, and stirring up more wars in which we
humans , who he hates, die. Martinez is smart, JdM is smart, but HSM is the
smartest of all. He’s convinced us sophisticated humanists that he doesn’t
exist : the world gets worse and worse : but there he is, as bold as can be, right in
front of us. As for JA there’s not much of her/soul left. What pathetic remnant that
remains, the majority of people want the State of Arizona to kill off. I keep wondering what the Jesuit psychiatrist W. Meissner S. J. who wrote a book on the
psychology of St. Ignacious of Loyolo, would make of J.A. ? Would he find the holiest priest exorcist still left in the Roman Catholic Church, and discuss her case ? How
I wish Wilmott could snatch JA out of His Satanic Majesty,s jaws and place her
in the hands of an exorcist far tougher than Juan Martinez. That’s my favourite
hypothetical outcome for this morality play trial where the forces of good are
contending with the forces of evil.
Cliff notes for those needing the shortened version: Jodi is Satan’s soldier or, even shorter, Jodi is evil.
Pura, thank you for the Cliff Notes…I was starting to go into the Fog about halfway through
I have noticed that thing she does with her tongue rolling around her teeth and gums behind her closed lips. Now I realize why that bothers me so much.
I’ve seen that!
thats disgusting
Like my old bitch…I give her some peanut butter, and she will smack her little dog lips for hours…fortunately my old bitch is more fun to watch getting peanut butter off her lips than arias is…
At last , things are beginning to make sense, The devil made me do it. Devoid of soul ,suicide by jury verdict. I too wonder if Jodi had a helper in this all. The fact that her ex’es had a part in this ritual murder.. They think they are sly.This was a ritual crime Premeditation started with the journals. If anyone has watched The Following ,with Kevin Bacon you can get an idea how these groups operate. Jodi is too smug, thinks she is fooling everyone .This does seem to be a battle between the darkness and light…. where is the mystery Matt Mccartney. No one can find his face anywhere. It’s the stuff we haven’t seen that could solve this . What about the manifesto? Wicca,The Secret, she devil even mentions Anton Lavey. Also look up the word succubus. One of her ex’es was said to have died from suicide when they broke up The defense witnesses’ for Jodi, another unholy alliance. It is well known that ritual murder with the many stab wounds and throat slashing is meant to drain all the blood from the victim. This is a crime of many dark souless minds trying to get their claim to fame.
Matt McCartney & Donovan… pretty weird eggs!
I found this on another website…I had to share it with you!!
M: I’d like a hamburger medium rare please.
J: Describe Medium for me.
M; Not over done
J: What do you mean by rare?
M: Just a wee bit pink in the middle.
J: I’m sorry, can you repeat that.
M: A hamburger medium rare please. How long will that take?
J: It shouldn’t take too long.
M: Well, How long? How many minutes?
J: How many Minutes for what?
M: How many minutes before my medium rare hamburger will be ready. Ready meaning in front of me ready to eat.
J: Uhmmmm It should be ready before my shift ends, but not before the people seated behind you leave.
M: Well how long will that be?
J: If I had to guess, I would say 15 minutes.
M: Okay. So in 15 minutes I will have a hamburger right?
J: Yes.
M: Can I get fries too please.
J: We have many fries, can you be more specific.
M: Okay, I would like steak fries.
J: Uhhhmmmmm But you didn’t order steak.
M: I know, I ordered a hamburger, I would like the steak fries, the style of fries with my order.
J: Uhhmmmm what order? The hamburger?
M: Yes
J: Okay, I guess.
M: I don’t want you to guess. Can I get steak fries with my hamburger?
J: Yes
M: Can I get a drink too? What kind of drinks do you have?
J: Here at the restaurant? Or the drinks I have at home.
M: Here. At the restaurant. To go with my hamburger and Fries.
J: I don’t recall if I have any drinks at home. I live with my grandmother.
M: No. I need to know what drinks the restaurant serves.
J: Uhmmmm… This restaurant?
M: Yes, the restaurant where I am going to receive my medium rare hamburger and steak fries.
J: Uhmmmm I’m sorry can you repeat the question?
Sorry…this was at the restaurant…jodi is the waitress…Juan Martinez, the patron!
!!! Thanks, vocalvapor… (ps: are vapor cigarettes available in Canada?)
Yes, Jane, dear, they are…just google “ecigarettes Canada”. I also know that vapor4life.com ships to Canada…or they did last year…let me know if you need assistance!!
Cheers! Ignore repeat request below.
This script still cracks me up!
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myself believe Jodi brought the gun on the thwart if the room mates came home or any one. stopped by
the knife was herweapon of choice kill him.
bbut
Interesting… interesting!!
she wanted to torture him..gun was there in case anyone stopped by..don’t believe she got there til later in the after noon..waited til roommates left..do believe she was gonna kill again when she got arrested a gun two knives
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Did travis know arias was coming? What do you think? Why or why not??
Did he know she was coming to his house that night? Yes, he knew and waited up for her. She testified that TA had ‘guilted’ her into coming and she could not say no to him.
My mom and i always wonder if they even had sex the day of the murder? i mean i know theres naked pictures but we dont know forsure if they even did anything !
tori…I think she called him and said something to the effect of…”I’m going to be near Mesa and I’d like to stop by and give you a couple of check for the car payments I we you….”
And THAT’S the ONLY reason she was let in the door….IF he actually KNEW she was coming…that she didn’t call…find out his roommates weren’t home…and slipped in through the doggie door and into his bed in he middle of the night…
OMGOSH! and thats another thing, i always hear her saying SHE lent him money. Isnt it the other way around? Becus i always heard her saying she was broke in the interrogation tapes?
I think it could be a great mistake to assume that ANYTHING Josi’s testified to is the truth. Possibly some kibbles and bits of info, but which bits? I think she surprised him. And, sex? Who knows?
And, I’ve felt queasy about the shower photos…esp the one’s where he faces the back wall of the shower. Complete vulnerability. I wonder if the back and head stabs came then.
Exactly everything we know about that night is coming out of Jodi’s mouth = lies. So we will never know the absolute truth.
But yes the poses where his arms are up those are quite odd!!!
I doubt that too. I don’t believe her. kh
Hi Rose… I’ve never really bought the story that Travis guilted her into anything (on that last day or any other time.) I think SHE guilted HIM (from practically the moment she left AZ to return home to northern CA.) I think she bugged him relentlessly to let her come over & repay the $ that SHE owed HIM and that THAT’S the guise under which she arrived at his house that night (maybe she also blithered on about some photos she wanted to give him – as a parting gift.) I think he DID wait up for her. And I think the dog barked when she arrived. And I think Travis probably intended to have her in & out and told her so… but, alas, that’s not what happened. I think Travis weakened and went for the booty call.
I do not believe Travis knew she was coming to his house for the simple fact of the txt/emails between them on the 26th of May. He would not have welcomed her. To me, thes msgs from Travis telling her she was evil and the worst thing that ever happened to him. The finality of his words triggered Arias’ rage and now her goal was revenge. The 28th she grabs granpa’s gun and makes her arrangements to kill him. She snuck into his house once again, crawled into his bed and once more used sex to try to manipulate him into keeping her in his life or else! She truly was a “psycho on a mission”. Tragically, for Travis, the psycho achieved her goal and some part of this twisted evil killer is actually proud of her accomplishment. She enjoyed the torture.
Tres interessant… could be, could be. Though I always figured she shoe-horned her way in on the promise to repay money – sort of “since I’m gonna be down that way.” But, maybe, that doesn’t fit w/ other factors. LindyJ, why, then, did he agree to take sexy photos on the bed? Man… it’s all just so nuts!
Wondering if anyone thinks that TA’s shower pictures look like JA was posing him very purposely for her oncoming knife attack. I can see her imagining him holding a knife with his standing, hands to chest photo and also in the one where he is facing the shower wall with hands posed above his head. The pose of his back is just so vulnerable.
I do. I think she surprised him in the shower, they were done, she was dressed and (possibly as far as he knew) she was back on her way to crazy land. But instead she snuck back in to the home and up on him in the shower and started clicking away posing him. One minute she’s kneeling in front of him, the next she’s standing up and I guess either shooting or stabbing him (from what I see everyone has their own oppinion). I’m losing it having to wait for Tuesday, I can’t wait to see what Juan has coming up next!
Heather, interesting… Surprised him in the shower… Still, what explains the nudes-on-bed? O, you mean AFTER that… he thinks he’s finally gotten rid of her and, then, SHEEEEEE’S BACK. Hmmmmm…. you’re onto something. There probably IS an element of “just when he thinks she’s gone, she sneaks back in” … (shiver down spine!)
Dee – I always thought Travis had already been stabbed in the chest when this picture was taken. Look carefully at his eyes and the look he has on his face. I’m just saying…
JA was ogling over this photo in interrogation with Det. Flores, now we know why, she wanted to capture the pain in his eyes. I don’t think she had stabbed him yet, but I believe she showed him the gun or knife and asked him to beg to be spared. I can’t believe she wanted to capture his last moments, why didn’t she take the camera with her, anyway? I don’t get why she left such evidence.
I dnt get why she left the camera either
I absolutely DO think there was something very deliberate, premeditated going on re: not only shower, but also whatever sex play led up to it. Can’t you see JA arousing him, his nudity, vulnerability, seducing his ego, vanity, &, as always, inciting his (Mormon) sexual starvation as well as associated personal dilemma & guilt.
How do you think she framed it to him? As their last hurrah, their swan song? Did she weep or flatter (or both) the clothes off his back?
It’s so much hurt and hostility that was brewing in her well before the day she killed him that makes me think. Before she stole the gun, even. Like in her diary, saying something like she had so much in her to accomplish. It’s cryptic, for sure, when you read on. She talks about seeing the mountains and blah, blah. But what is meant by her talk of having something brewing in her she must do? (Sorry for no reference. It’s in her cross examination.)
She says on the stand things like, “of course not,” repeatedly, in regard to not mentioning anything in her diary that would suggest Travis was abusive or some kind of pedophiliac. Well, this suggests she knows what to say or not in her diary. It also suggests she thinks someone might one day read her diary.
She said in her diary that the breakup would be good for both of them, “I think.” What is the meaning behind saying, “I think.”? Like maybe good for me, not for him? As a forensic psychologist, no I wouldn’t bring this up. It’s too speculative. But, I’m just me thinking about this girl. She interests me. She’s nearly got my sympathy until I really delve into the thought pattern.
I can’t help trying to get in her mind and seeing how she was positioning him in the shower for what she was about to do. I see almost demonic sarcasim. I don’t believe in demons. But she’s real close to the definition. She seems to me to be very much relishing those moments in the shower. The photo quality is bad. She’s not trying to take good photos. She’s positioning him in ways that are sarcastic of the way she is going to kill him. She’s playing with him like a toy. Travis is so unaware in his being her play slave here. He did say he’d play this role for her and she took advantage of that in the most highest of ways. Really, beyond what I would ever expect of such a person who does such things.
Maybe she even had him tied on the bed for the purpose of needing a knife to cut him out of that situation. Remember he said she could make him his slave, too. From experience, I know this switch happens to lure someone in. This girl thought this whole thing out so very much more than anyone seems to be suspecting. I think she thought this out as soon as she moved away from him.
A little truth lies in her lies. So sad when she explained in one of her actress wannabe media shows that he had lost feeling in his legs. That he was screaming. A .25 caliber is known for not killing people. It’s the joke of all self-defense guns. I think he was well alive when she shot him. I even think she shot him first in the shower, but maybe not. Hmm. Hardly makes a difference. So I forgive the prosicution, regardless of when she shot him. See the boy who was shot at Columbine. Paralyzed, but able to get out of the window. Oh, this girl. What, how much did she calculate? No telling.
One thing for sure–she tortured that guy and fully enjoyed what she did. It seems obvious from the photos in the shower, she was having him enact, so sarcasticly, what she was about to do.
Dee…my mother told me when I was a teenager to “never write anything you wouldn’t want read out loud in a court of law”. Good advice, although I can’t say that I’ve always followed it.
I’ve written things almost exactly like what Travis wrote in the IM, when he called her an evil sociopath, a vile human and the worst thing that ever happened to him! And I’ve spent HOURS venting my rage. So, I’m really not all that surprised by his out burst. Unlike Alyce laViolent, I don’t believe this sort of outburst is the tool of ONLY male abusers against poor little girls who sit and silently color while the adults have their grownup chats! A time comes when a person living with a socio/psychopath gets fed up with all the lies, manipulations and underhanded activities…and you just explode, and the words just come falling from your brain to the tip of your poisoned pen! (This is why I don’t believe he EVER HIT her!!! He wasn’t VIOLENT, he vented by YELLING!). (Oh,and she doesn’t LIKE getting YELLED at!)
I was engaged to a diagnosed sociopath/with narcissistic tendencies. It was like riding a roller coaster! He was SO CHARMING!!!! When I would tell someone what he was doing…NO ONE BELIEVED ME!!! “Oh, he did NOT!! He COUDNT do anything like THAT. You must ave misunderstood!!” The psychological team he worked with said “He has NO conscience! He doesn’t FEEL compassion the way YOU do!”
When I finally put an end to the relationship….hell hath no fury like a wounded sociopath! He stalked me…I feared for my safety…he did crazy things like show up in the sauna at the same time my BOSS was there….and he would say vile and believable lies to my boss…the woe is me…she is such an abuser…he parked in my apartment complex parking lot and sit and STARE at my windows…I would see his car following me on the freeway…I’d go out on a date, and he would be at another table staring at us…he was CRAZY!!!!! He tried to sue me to get back all the money he ever spent on dates with me, gifts he had purchased…and he had the receipts! And he wanted reimbursement NOT just for MY food & drink, but HIS too. “Well, your honor, I wouldn’t have gone to that restaurant by myself, I was only there because that’s where SHE wanted to go! Oh, and the gas he purchased, too!! The judge ruled that there was no “Bad Girlfriend” law. That he willingly spent the money! (I SWORE that if he WON that silly lawsuit, I was going to charge him for the sex I gave him!). All I had to do in the end was give his ring back to him! And he was ordered to stop following me around, “get a life” the judge ordered!
Darn it, I’ve gone on a rant, and I’ve forgotten my point!!
Oh, yea, I remember now….arias is a few sandwiches short of a picnic…but here is something my naughty self is looking forward to…I read on the maricopa website that last week the authorities seized her diaries in jail….I’m wondering if maybe THOSE new diaries might come in as evidence during rebuttal….now THAT might be interesting, huh?? :(:
Yowee! Scary stuff!
Put your mother’s advice “never write anything you wouldn’t want read in a court of law” right there next to “always wear clean spideys in case of an auto accident”… seriously! After sorting & boxing all the archival stuff & whatnot, when my mother moved out of the family home, I was so (dare I say) traumatized that I came right back to my own house & shredded mountains of my own “creative writing”… God, what a tale it would’ve weave’d (out of context & in the wrong hands!)
And speaking of hellbent rants and blistering words, I suspect not a few of us have been reminded of a wee bit of the ol’ “character assassination” that’s rolled off our own tongues. I’ve channeled the devil a few times & find it hard to believe that LaShrinkingVioletta hasn’t gone a few rounds, herself.
Three questions…
1. Does anyone understand Willmott’s reason for asking DeMarte if the writing was the same on the yellow legal paper that Samuel’s supposedly copied from JA answers from the PTSD test?
2. Did you think the writing on the paper was different? I thought it was but not sure what the significance of that was.
3. I read on another blog that JA had gotten her boyfriend, Matt McCarty, to forge letters to her, as TA, admitting he was a pedophile. Has anyone heard or read anything about that. A handwriting expert said the letters were a forgery. I have not actually heard this BUT when Nurmi was questioning TA’s friend, Hughes, the first part of the questioning was about a letter. Hughes was very upset, saying Nurmi had told him and his wife that these letters were 100% confirmed as written TA’s. The Hughes were upset but then found out the letters were not allowed in because they were a forgery.
Does anyone think Matt is on the rebuttal list ?
Tori…I’m betting a Starbucks ice cold mocha frappiccino that he is last on the rebuttal list….
Btw…if you are a twitter person…read @cshughes tweets…he is one nice guy…and e says his and Skye’s letters were taken out of context by DT
Thanks so much for the information! And ive always wondered about the Hughes and i thought wait they were Travis’s friends why would they say bad things??
I heard Skye Huges is on the Rebuttal , have you heard that?
Rose, your #3 is so disturbing. Somehow I missed all this.
Re: #1, I assume Willmott’s point was that the handwriting was distinctly different, one from the next as exhibited side-by-side, “proving” that one belonged to JA & the other to Samuels. Hence (thinks Willmott), Samuels didn’t answer the questions for JA; he merely labeled the sections & transposed her answers. Ho-Hum… He was hopelessly unprofessional from start to finish & his opinions were based on flawed assessments & fuzzy thinking.
“Perhaps i should have re-administered the test” . . . YA THINK?
Seriously! Uh, oops?
Such a moron ! . . Gosh can it be Tuesday already ?!
Jane, I have been reading some tweets from Chris Hughes and he said Nurmi mailed the fake pedo letters to him and his wife saying they had been confirmed to have been written by TA. Hughes hired a handwriting expert who said the letters were 100% fake. Hughe did not mention, maybe doesn’t know who actually wrote those letters.
He also said as far as he knows neither he or his wife are on the rebuttal list. I’d imagine he would know by now but I’m pretty sure if JM calls him or his wife they will have no problem testifying.
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/true-crime/exclusive-jodi-arias-desperate-escape-plan
It was proven jodi was the author, and they were thrown out of court…mama arias sold them to the National Enquirer….but there are some things that even the National enquirer won’t do…..
Hi, Rose… Hadn’t scrolled this far, when I commented above. Thanks! Yes, exactly… read the feed & it sure filled in gaps for me… (though I must say, who in the devil have I become that I’m reading other people’s twitter feed and, yet, lack the courage, not to mention the know-how, to tweet myself… I’ll have to be evaluated by Dr. D, when this is all over – or, or, or I could just have Samuels fill out the tests for me by proxy and, THEN, develop me some trust with LaVaLamp… for petesake!)
Just read the Enquirer (thanks, vocalvaper.) O man… “what a piece-a-work” seems an understatement.
Good morning Jane….well since you enjoyed that so much…I KNOW you will be “pleasantly surprised” to learn that if you go to ariasart.com, you can sign up to be notified when Jodi’s BOOK IS PUBLISHED!!!!
WHAT THE F…???????
Once shes sentenced to death isnt illegal to profit ?
REALLY?! Is that true? Which brings us back to “there’s something really, really wrong with that.”
(I’ve made it a point of pride not to go to that particular .com – see how I can’t even name it! When I think of the struggling artists I know… God, when I think of ANYONE I know, who’s trying to make a living!)
Wonder who’s up tomorrow ?!
Who do you think? (Juan will carefully strategize the order of appearance?)
(Moment of silence in Boston. Averted terrorist attack in Ottawa. Runners suited up & finishing their marathon runs… wow, the human spirit.)
I have watched the trial since Jan. and since I’m retired, I’ve become fairly obsessed. # 3 is correct. I believe the answer to #1 and 2 is the same. JW wanted to point out that Dr. Dick didn’t do anything really bad when he mishandled the testing data. I added some info @ the Hughes in an answer to smitsa above.
Apparently, a couple of places are saying that the police may now have the .25 used to shoot Travis with. So far as I know, it’s just Twitter (https://twitter.com/michaelbkiefer) and a posting to Beth Karas’ Facebook page, so nothing verifiable, but Kiefer is a writer for the Arizona Republic, so I’m not going to dismiss it out of hand.
I want so badly to believe this, but I’m not going to get my hopes up until I hear from a reliable source that it’s in the hands of the authorities, and that it’s the gun “stolen” from her grandparents’ house. And then, she’s soooo toast.
Chris Hughes said on twitter that he didn’t think this was true, only rumor, but one can hope.
Elissa01, I’ve seen this same information on a couple of other blogs. Seems a man found the gun over a year ago wrapped in heavy paper and toilet paper that had mostly washed away. It was underneath a thorny cactus. The gun was loaded, only one bullet missing. He started watching the trial and thought this might be the gun so turned it over to the authorities. I just realized the date on the article was March 27. The paper or whatever it is is called Right Now I/O world wide news! Wouldn’t we have heard something about it before now if the gun was turned in nearly a month ago?? Stay tuned…..I guess we’ll find out soon if it’s fact or hoax!!
I saw, too, where Hughes tweeted a “found gun” was rumour…
… but, Hello, here in the Frozen North, we’ve been SO waiting for a thorny cactus reference to complete the desert motif! Surprised that She of Great Detail hadn’t worked it in (in some errant context) – perhaps, even tripped up on it…. so, here’s hopin’! Because neither the thorny cactus nor the toilet paper wrap should go to waste. Somehow, Rose, the story you tell just sounds too right to be wrong – but (sigh), will probably just turn out to be too good to be true.
Hughes twitter feed is pretty illuminating re: the negative email (which has figured so prominently) having been taken out of context as well as re: Nurmi’s guarantee to the Hughes that Travis was a pedophile. Diabolical! Absolutely unconscionable!
Can Hughes testify to the out of context email. When you are only reading the ‘bad’ words, with the whole note, you’re calling a bear a caterpillar. Ugh!
Or you’re calling a caterpillar a bear. (Travis being the caterpillar, which JA, for the purposes of her PTSD & battered wife myths, turns into a bear.)
Pretty sure that Nurmi doesn’t want the Hughes within a gazillion miles of the court room. But, if Juan could get them there, he would be the Caterpillar Whisperer and get the truth out into the open?
Found this quite interesting from Hughes’ twitters. In 2007 when Hughes and his wife were talking to TA about JA , she was eaves dropping at the door. {He did not say this in the twitter but on HLN, that JA was very angry when this happened}. His wife was the one that threw her out of the house BUT it took HOURS to get her to leave! His wife told him then that JA was a sociopath.
I think that is what the Memford couple is supposed to testify to right?
I guess I missed it. Why did the Hughes throw JA out? What had she done?
KN called Chris Hughes to the stand and tried to make him say something bad @ Travis regarding the email where the defense says it showed even the Hughes knew that TA treated JA badly. Chris was very resistant to KN. For spite, Nurmi would not release Chris from his subpeona which means he’s not allowed to keep up with this trial. The TA argument is that the Hughes were trying to get JA out of his life any way they could and that is why the email was worded as it was. I hope the background is helpful. If you check youtube you can pull up almost all of the testimony. I watch livestream (retired kg. teacher) and am obsessed!
This is a great forum. So many insightful comments. I’m addicted to this trial but I think that all of us want justice and its not that we’re crazed and bloodthirsty in wanting JA to get the DP. I think it’s the savage way that she killed him and the nonchalant attitude that she has when she describes the events that lead up to his death. Even if she was scared for her life and acted in self defense (which I KNOW that is not the truth), even if she was scared…wouldn’t she still have some emotions surrounding the event? I mean, isn’t that what PTSD is? Experiencing flashbacks and triggers? Anxiety. Heightened responses in relation to the experience. I am in therapy for PTSD for something that first happened over 30 years ago but I still can’t speak of it without obvious signs of distress. I do understand that it is different for each person but, who slashes the throat of someone that you once loved and can speak of it so coldly? Even if she went into a fog (ha), she still remembers shooting him.
I know that she is trying to ‘act’ this out, trying to speak in that flat affect (but then she forgot and sparred with Juan). But she wanted us to think that she was just suffering from her PTSD, and experiencing one if the side affects – the flat affect.
I think that was supposed to be woven in with her story but I think that her experts didn’t emphasize this side affect as much as she expected them to.
And, the fog. What is fog? Cloudy, misty… Even dense at times but she did say ‘fog’ and not ‘blackout’. I would think if there was a fog that she would have ‘glimpses’ of what happened and as time passes she would remember more and more.
Happy Monday to everyone and hopefully we’ll soon be back in the courtroom!
Nice insights, kari!
Hi everyone! Just want to let you know how much I enjoy your insights and comments. This trial is enthralling to say the least. Go Team Travis! On a side note, after watching and listening to EVERY second of this trial, it has become my personal opinion that the “death penalty” is to good for Jodi Arias. I personally would LOVE to see her get life w/o the possibility of parole. That puts her out of gen pop in the prison system. Limits visit/phone contact. Places her in pod with very limited interaction even with other inmates. It would clip this ugly butterflys wings! It would be everything she hates most in the world,no personal interaction with others! I aam praying that JUSTICE be served and peace finds the Hearts of Travis’s family and friends.
Don’t forget to take w away her coloring books and journals…give her the Book of Mormon and tell her to READ it this time…not SKIM it as an instruction for getting a husband!
I’ve been reading Flores’ report…link from another blogger.
When Lt. Flores interviewed Lisa Andrews after TA’s death, she told him that after second tire slashing, they did call the Mesa police department to report the incident. They waited several hours for police officers to come to her home to take the criminal damage report but could wait no longer. However, they did get an incident report number that was given when TA called, which Flores noted. Perhaps Flores is on the rebuttal list to tell spill these beans.
I don’t mean to hijack your thread, Rose. I cant seem to figure out how to start a topic.
I seemed like a lot of folks were interested in NAPOLEON. He is with a friend I believe it is the Anderson woman. The source said that he is partially blind and deaf. Evidently that is a fairly common thing for that breed. There was also a photo of him in a bed with lots of toys. The source also said that that was what Travis wanted. I think I heard somewhere that Travis had a will. I just searched for “Travis Alexander Napoleon”.
MJ.
I can’t figure out how to start a thread either. I do know that the dog was given to his ex-girlfriend, Deanna. It was in Travis’s will.
Thanks, Daryl. I got the name wrong. I hope the comments reassure any poster who was concerned for the little guy..
MJ
I read today that Det. Flores is on JM’s rebuttal list.
really where/
All during the prosecution openning, JM had Det. Flores get up and down from the stand several times. Very effective use of the witness. AWESOME!!! I hope he crams Det. Flores’ testimony down that murderer’s throat.
First time commenter…am glued to the trial,like all of you! One question? What was the supposed reason she took the trip to California and Utah ? Besides to see Darryl and Matt, was her goal (besides the ‘last minute’ side trip to AZ) some ‘business’ in Utah? About PrePaid Legal?
If she was so broke, how could she even rationalize such a trip?? help !
Hey LIZ, ive always wondered how she was able to take the trip if she was so “broke” and also how was she able to supposedly lend TA money all the time???? LIES!
Exactly, Liz & Tori… JA is. clearly so enamoured with, confident of & blasé re: her lying that she fails to note how utterly ILLOGICAL her stories & rationales are.
She probably coveted her own money like Scrooge. Surely, she never lent any to Travis (though I don’t doubt he had young bachelor-type money issues, as reported.) But, the idea that she lent him any significant amount of money seems absolutely preposterous to me. Another ruse!
As far as JA’s road-tripping, I’m sure she always had (or “acquired”) enough money to fund her obsessions & capers du jour. And vacations, rental cars, ammo costs, knife-sharpening fees, doubling up on gas, Starbucks super drinks, mid-trip mani-pedis, hair dye, etc just don’t fit the picture of a recently re-located restaurant shift-worker short on cash, who presumedly had rent to pay and a massive cell phone bill and photography habit to support, not to mention a BMW debt. O J had $ for what J wanted $ for. Even now, J appears quite able to get $ for what J wants $ for. A very resourceful little piece of trash!
She was going to Utah to see Ryan Burns. I believe the murder was premeditated and Matt and Darryl were needed to complete her plans. She spent the night at Matt’s on 6-3-08 I think. Then went to Darrys’s to acquire the gas cans.There is speculation that she traded the DVD player that was stolen from her grandparents’ house for the 2 gas cans from Darryl. I expect JM will bring out more of this in closing. But, I have come to expect the unexpected from Mr. Martinez.
Not to mention she was visiting two other men along the way, no wonder Travis didn’t want her as his wife, other than being bat shit crazy, she was “cuddling” with any man with a decent leather wallet in his pants. No velcro for Jodi. lol. Geez.
I bet she tried to make him jealous by visiting his friends and other men from her past, it didn’t work because he was done with her completely, which infuriated her even more. I bet she showed up in those damn braids, just begging for it, begging to change that ticket from Mimi’s to her name. Used toilet tissue is what she felt like because she was that. No self respect, only vanity, always trying to get something from men. I worked as a waitress 10+ years ago while in school and plenty of the other servers were similar in their men hunting tactics.
I kept myself busy these off days of trial by listening to the testimony when it started, her interrogation tapes are so damn telling, I feel like there is some truth in them, like someone said here, her saying he couldn’t move his legs, it became more blatant to me that she really wanted to watch him bleed. I also had a roommate around the same time I was a server, she was Wiccan. She would cast spells on men in her life. I high tailed it out of there quick when I witnessed this. I imagine if you are into the dark arts (I know most of them are peaceful) letting someone bleed out in front of you would make you feel VERY powerful, watching the life in their eyes diminish. She is sick and demented beyond words.
No offense to Wiccans, I don’t need any spells!!!
Just heard on HLN that the defense is asking to put on a sur rebuttal case. The pretty young lawyer from Az., Monica is her name I think, just said that she doesn’t expect the judge to allow it b/c the trial has to end at some time. I guess they really are bothered by Dr. D’s testimony! JM was not allowed to do that for the defense case. They are also asking for a heat of passion verdict to be given to the jury. Monica said that is totally up to the judge and JM has no part of that decision.
I’m way out of my depth, now. A surrebuttal (please, no!) AND a heat of passion option?
Would someone w/ more insight please explain!
(A heat of passion option?! At this stage of the game? Their opening statement & presentation of the case wasn’t geared toward that, was it? Can you really do that – up & change your theory of the case? Wow.)
If I were on the jury, and they through in crime of passion, I would have decreased faith in the defense, I would know they were just trying to confuse me. Stick to your guns, jury! But remember, the only shot came last!
I think I get it, now: heat of passion/manslaughter was always part of the pyramid?
Jury will never know that the DT made a specific, last ditch motion to underscore the language.
Ugh.
But remember Jane, Nurmi said its a fantasy to believe that the jury isnt watching any coverage ., maybe for once hes right?
Way back to April 21, and “the devil made me do it” comment : this is true only if we
use our free will to let him make us. JA gave consent, for which she is guilty, has to
do pennance (for the rest of her life ?) and show contrition. I think that’s R.C. doctrine down there as well as up here ? We say Anglican for Episcopalian but some things are the same.At first I looked down my nose at American media in the courtroom : making the pursuit of justice/truth entertainment. Then when I saw JA in action, I saw something so frightening, non-human at play, that I scrambled as fast as I could back to church. I’m not a very good,consistent, church attending Christian :
not even C and E good. How has watching this trial effected people for good or bad
do you think ?
For Good or Bad, something wicked comes this way, this is as close to the devil in human form as the eye can see. Wouldn’t be surprised if she eats dust for lunch. I don’t think at this point any one church could contain this form of evil. We could start with a southern baptism, coupled with a catholic exorcism,ending with a foursquare pentacostal experience ,fire comes down from heaven , and Jodi’s journals become gospel.. That is downright scary. At this point the snake whisperer could put her in a trance and subdue her making us believe she is not a danger anymore. That is even more frightening.
At the Justice 4 Travis site they just sent the defense’s surrebuttal witness. His name is Dr. Robert Geffner and he is a colleague of ALV. Just have to repeat the definition of insanity here…’doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome’. This is so crazy that I do not believe the judge will allow it.
Where is our TT? I figured you would be in on us discussing over the weekend, we didn’t leave you, Tamara!! Hope you are having a great, Sheree free day!!
I can’t wait for tmrw!!
“Juan’s bringing JUSTICE back, yeah! Them other counsel don’t know how to act, yeah!”
Sorry! I went on a sleeping jag. Like 30 hours or so. And I have been out of it all since. Off to doc tomorrow…
Sounds like you needed that sleep, my friend! Be well today, hope you aren’t sick! 🙂
So, I promised myself I would quit this JA obsession – So everyone please correct me if I’m wrong here:
Surre Rebuttal – gives the Defense to fight only the witness’ and facts brought out in the prosecution’s rebuttal. It should be extremely limited and sometimes they can bring new witness’, too. In AZ it’s up to the Judge.
Otherwise the defense would only get one more chance to speak to the jury now and that would be in their closing argument. JM will get the last word – because they have the burden of proof.
I just heard it’s an AZ this charge is rarely used. But if there are facts in evidence contained in the defense’s case – Manslaughter 1 by (heat of passion) & (sudden quarrel brought on by the victim) is already built in the “pyramid” of charges – downward.
The Defense has requested this as a “Jury Instruction” because they originally presented their case as Self-defense/Domestic Abuse to fight to just to get a 2nd Degree Murder verdict.
So , basically, as a trial progresses – Defense have the opportunity to switch gears (a little) and address new strategies within the case to offset the charges/punishment. [ ! had a feeling this would happen]
It’s up to the – Judge and case law – that will determine her decision. JM can object to the motions and/or fight the “verbiage” of the instructions – but it’s likely the Defense will get it. This gives any Juror that has reasonable doubt as to Murder 1 – a chance to argue a lesser – Lesser.
So, Judge Stephens has let so-oooo much in that would probably not otherwise be relevant – (it’s a death penalty case) & (JA’s right to a fair trial), blah, blah, blah.
Remember ! – Pre-mediation can happen in just minutes before the crime. JA did testify that she stopped to remember… “where ‘the’ gun was!” That could be viewed as an intent to kill him – instead of flee the circumstances.
I think it an attempt to get 2ND DEGREE MURDER – which is what she wanted to “plea” out in the first place. She’d could be out of jail early as 5.5 yrs.!
Bet they think they have one or two jurors..! – See if I have this right ?
1st Degree / Premeditated Murder
= Jury Must be unanimous with Death+ Life w/o Parole
> Then there would be another “mini” Mitigating trial so JA can beg the to
spare her life from the needle.
2nd Degree Murder – Intent to Kill
= From what I just heard allows the Judge to determine her sentence.
> JA could / would get = Min. – 10 yrs. to Max. – Up to 22 yrs.
= With time served (JA has been in 4.5 yrs.)
Manslaughter 1 – (In AZ) =
> Would include “heat of passion” or “sudden quarrel brought on by victim
= Just a couple months in jail. SHE WOULD WALK IMMEDIATELY ??!!
IT’S APPARENT THAT JODI THINKS SHE IS COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED
IN THIS CRIME AND DESERVES BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE IN THE WORLD !! – GRRRRRRRR !!
Oh….I think I’m going to join miss Tamara and just be ill…it’s cold outside, my fibro is killing me and I have a bad case of WlmaNurmitis….
“No jury will convict me and you can mark my words on that.”
I have a sinking feeling, JustUsForAll…
Defense has filed a request for a re-rebuttal and wants to admit a new “expert” to counter Dr. DeMarte. His name is Dr. Robert Geffner from San Diego. He has an impressive CV, unfortunately, but I have to wonder why they so often go out-of-state for their experts.
Alyce laViolent had an “impressive CV” too…I’m just saying……
I don’t understand…has this doctor evaluated Arias already? Or in order to testify, will he have to do that NOW, all these years after the fact, while she’s on trial for her life? Wouldn’t that give him much different test results than he would have gotten if he had administered his tests in 2008/09/10?
I was wondering that same thing this morning, Elissa01. It would seem since this is a new witness for the defense the guy has not interviewed JA before so how could he be ready when all the other experts spent so much time with her. I suppose, like Willmott had Dr. D do, he could just look at all the test results and testify on that. I did see on Tuesday’s thread that TT had posted a review for this guy’s latest book and the he was not a credible witness and has had testimony thrown out before. Surely, JM is on that and that should be the best reason not to waste the courts time. I know we all hope the defense does not get to call this guy. Keeping fingers crossed…
Correction: Just heard on HLN – that Manslaughter / Heat of Passion = 7 to 21 years. So I guess they meant she’d had 2 YEARS (not months) left to serve – minimum. Sorry !
I keep reading suspicions that Dr. Lenore Walker has been added to the prosecution’s rebuttal list. If she does, in fact, testify that she still uses her test for Battered Woman Syndrome, and that Wilmott lie to a witness in open court in front of a jury, will Wilmott then face some sort of sanction? I can’t believe that something like that would be allowed, and she gets away with it it will set a HORRENDOUS precedent for our already dysfunctional “justice” system.
Does anyone know about this?
Hey Elissa i have not heard that but i hope its true, where are u hearing it from?
Nothing concrete, since no one can find a rebuttal witness list (I think Tamara said she was trying to track it down?); but because Wilmott tried to impeach Dr. D’s credibility by that statement, a lot of people believe that he has added her to his rebuttal list to refute it.
Either way, we know she lied in front of the jury. I have very little faith in our system of justice, but even I can’t believe that she could get away with that.
Very early on the rebuttal case included Dr. D, a rep from Walmart, and someone from either the cruiseline or the credit card Co. that processed the tickets. Today I heard that Det. Flores, love that policeman, is also on the list. Let’s get ready to RUMBLE! JM starts again tomorrow. Wonder how long the meetings and requests in judge’s chambers go on in the morning???
Just got a fb message which says theat the prosecutor has objected to the defense putting on a surrebuttal to JM’s surrebuttal…he’s not even finished putting on witnesses yet. I’d say Dr. D scared the mess out of them. My source was the Justice 4 Travis site.
Going to bed now. Just read some information about the witness that the defense wants to call. They called Dr. Gaffney a ‘hired gun for death penalty cases’ and that he had some testimony thrown out for shoddy work. I don’t see ushearing from this guy. It would prolong the trial, he is ALV’s colleague, and he has already been discredited in another court case. Strange and stranger! Meet you all here tomorrow.
Wow. Okay. “Strange and stranger,” indeed. Why would the DT even go this route? Nighty-night!
(You guys are all over this thing. Thanks so much for letting me share!)
I am so glad to read the fact, Dr. Robert Gaffner may be as crazy as the last two “expert witnesses for Jodi Arias. Mr. Martinez will get the last laugh on him as well. So glad I found this site.
Gonna try to get a seat in court tomorrow – can’t wait. Should be riveting in light of what the defense is trying to get through. Don’t know how it’ll feel seeing JA – or who she’ll be morphed into! Has anyone attended court and can you advise how early you realistically need to arrive?
how exciting!!!
I am officially envious, and can hardly wait to see your “report”. Enjoy!
MJ
According to Dr. Drew’s jurors, you have to be online by 5 am. Katie Wick didn’t make it in today. It’s getting harder and harder. Good luck getting a seat and don’t forget to tell us all about it!
Jane, I have a sick pit in my gut too ! (No jury will convict me)
DF using Dr D’s BPD as an open door to slither in ~ Heard JM argued Dr Fog opened it first. More diversions & last ditch efforts. Wow – will JM go after new witness with a vengeance.
I read ramifications of this motion is a huge smack down to court. Other mistral motions notwithstanding, if it’s NOT let in – it could bring up MUCH GREATER & egregious grounds than other motions. Apparently the constitutionality has a higher threshold & could certainly result in THROWING OUT entire conviction.
She’d be FREE as a Butterfly [Effect] ! Remember, she clued Det.Flores ? – JA’s pre-meditations ARE clues in that movie, among other movies too. (… I’ve researched my weird theory and it fits JA’s copy cat disorder) AND includes her Reflection in TA’s pupil drama too. — Very twisted.
JM must fight fervently to get “Limited” instructions. PLUS go to battle with yet ANOTHER BS defense strategy. Bet it was the plan all along. As usual, they’re counting on fogging up the jury in confusion.
Watch JA’s now ! ~ We’re about to witness pseudo “Sybil” transform into pure selfish, hateful ~ EGO ! I don’t buy the compassion thing at all. Her eyes will be black as coal and her smile will be like razors. She thinks she has taken on 100’s of years of secret doctrine & rituals all by herself. She believes she is EPIC !!!!
Here’s hoping jury JA sympathizers will get sent home when their #s are drawn.
It makes me terribly sad that Judge Stevens doesn’t have a spine ! Ok I understand to give as much leeway due to DP case but at some point use the the Law you were either appointed or voted by citizens, to use Judge!You have given in to so much, essp.made up stories with NO evidence to back up these stories,I think it’s a slap in the face of justice and taxpayers to NOT throw out discredited,clearly incompetent,biased testimony.Much less allow another incompetent expert testify.He runs a for profit quack of a school that says its a non profit.I can’t find where he did undergrad and postgrad.studies?I would thoroughly check out every claim to education background and all publications before she should allow Mr.Geffener to testify.Man I’m mad! Haha.Sorry guys I’m just sick of the Judges behavior at this point.
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She cannot lie worth a damn in my opinion, the charade won’t last long, I can’t wait to see her evil contorted face when murder in the first slaps her in that smug mug! Ooohhh sick burn!!
Should have posted this in the chatter thread, SORRY! I CAN’T DELETE A POST…my words are forever? Anyone else hear about JA’S diaries from prison getting confiscated?
Obi-Juan is approved! Rejoice! Thanks, Tamara! Love these drawings by Lauren, especially Nurmi. I think the Judge is prettier in real life, but it definitely shows her frustrations with this trial.
Oops! I posted apologies for errant nicknames & any off-topic comments on wrong thread, too. (Hoping that 98% of all communication is non-verbal. I look ashamed & repentant.)
Jane, I’ve used that phrase in real life, bwaahaha. Also, my favorite thing to say when I think someone is joking or fibbing, OBJECTION….FAIRY TALE!!!!
Meant to say, “IN CASE 98% of all communicay is non-verbal, please know that I look ashamed & repentant.” PS, SweetTea: Find myself saying “CORRECT” (in both question & statement for.) Cringe. Had no idea I was so impressionable. Off to court!
Glad to find ur blog, Tamara! Just proud of Juan and his speaking for Travis and Justice. Appalled by Arias and her psychopathy. She is pure evil and The perfect example of The need for a death penalty.
I found an answer to a question that was asked. How did JA afford to go on that trip to Mesa and Utah?
Answer was on Dr. Drew, aired on 02/06/13…guest was Paul Stern. He met JA when she was an employee at Ventana. He said she came there every night to use the computer and would sit next to him. They became friendly. The day before she left on the infamous trip, she was frantic, talking about Travis, saying he was dating other girls and she had to go back to see him and she asked to borrow money from him for the trip. He did lend her money, didn’t say how much, and she did pay him back.
And you are using Dr. Drew as a reputable news source?
Was the defense surbuttal witness granted?
What the defense request for surbuttal granted?
yes defense request for surrebuttal was granted! see newest post http://s17948.p858.sites.pressdns.com/2013/04/24/jodi-arias-post-for-thursday-juan-more-time/
I am addled from getting this done. I also am not tech savvy, and so don’t know the best way to see comments. New illustrations and commentary( I do the text, sister does the drawing) for anyone interested.
http://open.salon.com/blog/fernsy/2013/04/26/lauren_spitzbergs_illustrations_of_the_jodi_arias_trial_2
Please, leave comments on wordpress or facebook, since open salon is closed. I’ll try to put up a post on WordPress so anyone can leave comments there..Thanks Tamara T, and all, for your interest.
who’s going to be the prosecutor’s sur surrebuttal in the Jodi Arias trial?
Some female shrink type. Not really sure if he is actually going to even call her. We shall see.
Dr. Jill Hayes i think? but i dnt know if that is for sure happening .