We seem to still be debating the sequence of Jodi’s attacks that resulted in Travis’s death. Personally, I have a really hard time believing that the GSW was post-mortem. It doesn’t make sense to me for so many reasons. Jodi is not a large person and doesn’t appear to me to be particularly athletic or strong. She brought a gun proving premeditation, why would you not just shot the guy first and then get your rage out with the knife? Stabbing and nearly decapitating someone takes a lot of energy, add in moving the dead body around, I just can’t see all of that strength coming from Jodi without shooting him first.
I thought you guys might like to debate this over the weekend. I have included the timeline video we have looked at before above. There was also an excellent comment from JLove made in the wee hours of the morning I didn’t want you guys to miss. I have included it in its entirety below.
Comment by JLove :If you notice, I did not stick to Jodi’s testimony that she “shot him first.” That’s crap. I’ve listened to testimony and read the ME’s autopsy report. I’m a medical professional myself, so the autopsy report was not difficult to understand. The gunshot wound produced no hemorrhaging (bleeding). This would suggest that at the time of the GSW, Mr. A was already dead.
Is it just me, or do others wonder why, first of all, if I were in defense of my life and I had a gun, would I take the time to stab someone instead of merely shooting them to eliminate the threat and then get myself to safety? Also, another question I have is this: Let’s assume, simply for the sake of argument, whether you believe so or not, that Jodi is telling the truth, that she did shoot first. The law is clear regarding self defense, that you can use deadly force only until such time as the imminent danger is over. I also brief Supreme Court cases for fun. The ME testified that the GSW to the face would be incapacitating, that Travis would not have been able to be a threat to her. Therefore, according to her own testimony, the threat would have been passed. By her own account that she shot him first, the following stab wounds and throat slashing would definitely not fall under the auspice or protection of legal self defense. Add to that the 9 or so stab wounds to the back (which would mean that Travis was turned AWAY from her), and I don’t see how her lawyers were even allowed to present self defense as a claim.
Wouldn’t it have been more effective to claim temp insanity? Instead of the woman who did not live with him and was, therefore, not trapped by him, the woman who could have just refused to make the drive to see him, the woman who could have simply changed her number, email address and cut off contact, refused to have sex with him, etc. saying that she was “abused,” why not just say, “I just snapped. He treated me like a whore, a dog, like someone beneath him for so long that when he humiliated me this last time by having sex with me and then telling me he was taking some other woman to Mexico, relegating me back to my sex object whore status, I just snapped.” I might have even been able to swallow that…at least much better than I could ever swallow self defense. I’m not saying that if she had claimed temp insanity I would have necessarily believed her or even given her a pass, but at least that wouldn’t be such a ludicrous claim as is what she says now. It also bothers me that her claims of abuse are just the type to make it more difficult for the women who really are faced with life-and-death abuse. Those women really do have a legitimate case, and Jodi is making a mockery of a tragic, pathetic and dangerous situation for her own gain. That’s ridiculous and should definitely NOT be rewarded.
If I were a juror, I would still be wondering about the order of wounds inflicted on Travis. I suppose that ultimately it would not affect my verdict, but it would be nice to have a clear understanding.
What do y’all think?
Sounds perfectly plausible to me
Which version?
Plausibility, is always welcome… can you, define, yours…???
Problem with this video re the closet animation is this: She testified he was at the closet door as she stepped on the back shelf and reached for the gun. The closet is 11 ft from door to door. She had a good lead on him and could have turned left in the hall (or in bedroom, not sure), went downstairs and out the front door. No imminent threat. If he is shot, he’d reel back or at least be dazed and bleeding, at least, therefore no imminent threat. He was stabbed in back, no imminent threat? There was a garment bench between them in the closet, he’d have to squeeze past or jump over slowing him down. Again, it gives her a big lead. Therefore, she could have escaped in the bedroom by turning sharp left and ran downstairs, out the front door. The story is not plausible for this reason and for several other reasons based on her own poor testimony.
Jodi, had no business, getting into a pissing contest, with, the repudiated backpedaling, of the sworn affidavit, of the three stooges, who, also, had, sworn, before, they, 180’d their lies at law, in order to, have scammed, an interstate kidnapping, under color of law; which, if, their conspiratorial lies at law, were legit, they would not have had to recant, when, doublecrossed, by the penguin in a tutu, prancing, his hypnonauseating carnival tricks, in lieu of evidence, to comatoast, every one of the sheeple on the jury, but, one, with, common sense…. reversing, the format, to admit, essentially, that, the three stooges, watched their antics, at law, try to grow evidence, for years, while holding Jodi for two million dollars,’ ransom, concealing the evidence already known, that, she did not, fire a gun, as proven from the gitgo, whatwith, no gunpowder particulates in the combined blood, handprint, and, of course, she couldn’t have overpowered Travis, the martial arts, kickboxer, fighting for his life, with his hundred pound advantage.without, shooting him, first. Further evidence of her innocense was the fact that the ejected shell, landed upon dried blood, as proven by, no wet blood smear, on the brass, or, indendation of once; five days ago,, wet blood; also, proving that, there was a laundering of the kill site, scene, with, abuses of a dead body, as evidenced by. “defensive,” “wounds,” stabbings, and, a gunshot that did not, bleed, because, five day old, dead bodies, don’t bleed…which, compounds the crimes with which the three stooges had to recant, after their instigator, penguin in a tutu, ratted himself, out, and, except for a brain dead judge, and, three million dollar bribed “defense,” let the recanted and reversed charges, slide out of a dismissal, for, suborning and recanting their sworn, perjuries; to, swear again, to the opposite; as if, the spastic prostitutor, was credible, no matter what, lies at law, he, floats… Where was the motion for a dismissal, and, where was the petition to Jan Brewer, to rescind, the interstate kidnapping, of a girl, even after, the three stooges, admitted, their need to, “unperjure,” their lies at law; as if, Jan Brewer, governor, hadn’t already, based upon the three stooges, fraud, expressed her, opinion, of guilt, by the three stooges…??? Where’s the department of justice, having lawful jurisdiction over all interstate, kidnappings, under color of law…??? …Edgrrr….
I hope you were not totally sober or fit as a fiddle when your wrote that! 😀 i recognize myself writing when not all my brain is availble.
JM also claims since she thought about running out of the house she had to sit there and pause to think I’ve been in situations tht I had to make a snap decision you don’t stop and think it’s like a flash but does jodi legally have to flee if she was attacked no she does not that is where your argument isn’t valid …
I don’t really care what came first, the shooting or the stabbing… it is like asking what came first? the chicken or the egg? Either way it was premeditated because the gun used to shoot Travis obviously was the gun stolen from her Grandparents.
I agree. Either way, the self-defence claim doesn’t cut it. Blood splatter over the sink showed him to have been stood there coughing up blood. If anything, he stopped being a threat then. He had his back to her. She could have run at that point.
I don’t hold with shooting him first for one reason, the defensive wounds on his hands.
Jayne, Why would she do any of it, when she could have sneaked out, while he was in the shower, with, the pictures, and, smeared his goody two shoes, image; at work and, in church ??? Wouldn’t that be more diabolical; with no risk to herself; cutting off his supply of groupies…??? Edgar…
Why… when she could have killed his warped sense of, Guru, self, and, cut off his supply of,”good little Mormon girls???” She had the pictures; he was in the shower; she could have driven away, before he knew she was gone…. That, would have been far more diabolical, with, no risk to herself; if, two, intruders, hadn’t come in, and, done the deed… Edgar…
Then, ask the grandfather, how many bullets were in his gun, and, if it had ever jammed… if, we’re to believe that such a pea shooter, had the horsepower to kill… Ask the experts, about, how many times, a victim fought back, with, multiple .25 caliber bullets in them… and, what simplemindedness, concludes that this soap opera was, all, as one crime. when, four days had elapsed, by the time the “let’s set, Jodo, up for this,” charade, occurred; as evidenced, by the days it took, for the brass shell to be ejected upon a dried blood island, and, of course, alleged to be first, had no blood gushing onto it…??? Why is the socalled defense, contradicting proof by forensics, of her innocense ???
And, in addition…. Acid etch, from a finger, on the brass, to, push the bullet, into, the spring loaded, pistol clip, has been concealed… Why…???
That’s a frog jump… blood spatter; how about, a torrent of blood, that landed under the ejected brass, allegedly, fired first, and, not one, iota of blood torrent, or even spatter, got on the shell, around the shell, and under the shell, or, on top of the shell, because, when the gun was fired, four days after the killing, the blood was dry…??? … How’s that possible, even there in Wonderland…??? And, why when your Arias Bias, falls apart, what came first, doesn’t matter, when it was all that did matter; since it was necessary for the mouse to shoot the lion, in the course of, killing the lion, and, guess what; the socalled defense lieyers, are contradicting forensics’ evidence, of, no gunpowder, particulates in the combined blood handprint, proving that neither, Travis, or, Jodi, fired a gun… ??? So,pray tell, geniuses, how did Mighty Mouse, overpower the wrestler, fighter, weightlifting bodybuilder, fighting for his life; and, as for the staged “defensive wounds,” why, would Travis, grab the blade of the knife, when he could have torn up, her arm…??? So, reasonable doubts gallop, in this here, oater, pilgrims, and, all you third grade, Nobel laureates, would see it, but, for your boot licking, organized crime at law, and the illiterati, who tell you what to think… Edgrrr…
Anticipatory, self defense, is not, premeditation, or, there would not be 200 million guns, in this country….otherwise, it can be scammed, that, defense with a firearm, was premeditated, as to what you would do, when…and, if, your predecided, anticipations, are met…Forensics proves Jodi, did not fire a gun, so as to gain an advantage, as premedition, presupposes, because, forensics proves that, the gunshot was last, so, premeditation, if it actually existed in a criminal, sense, makes no matter, since the forensics, proves, she, did none of it; was incapable, of doing any of it, and, wouldn’t have sat there for four days, waiting for the blood to dry, so she could, figure a way to make herself look guilty; in contradiction to, the precision kill… when, she could have driven away… Edgar…
Obviously, I care that of twenty million .25 caliber guns, on the planet, that one had to be the grandfathers gun, because the chicken laid an egg…The creater, created the chicken, with the reproductive capability, to lay an egg… just like the ones, whose minds; such as they are; are made up; lay eggs …that, the facts are meaningless, unless they fit, the lynch mobsters, delusions… Edgrrr…
Creator…..
There you are! I finally had to stalk your crazy ass. Even those trying to burn Jodi at the take are looking for you!
Are you planning a jail break? Have you been out looking for the real killer on Mormon golf courses?
Welcome back!
Get real… she had to have shot him, first, to, overcome, his obvious, martial; arts, kick boxing, and, nearly, 100 pound advantage, fighting, for his life… but, since the “testimony,” of the blood, and, the brass, proves, that, she, did not, shoot, him, first; and, given, the conspiratorial antics, of Marionette Martinez, tapdancing, his 180 degree about face, proves, by, the minor detail that, if the gunshot, was first, wet blood would have covered the brass, and, since the gunshot, was part of the second crime, having nothing to do with, the first, crime; other than, to set, Jodi, up for the first crime, which, was not a crime at all… the blood puddles, then, were dried, islands, that, the ejected brass, shell, landed, upon, without, a smear, and, without, , a bare blood spot, under the shell, which, proves that the brass ejected shell, was, long, as in, four or five days, after, the kill, which, was not, a murder, at all, to, begin with, but, a quasireligious, blood oath, blood atonement, eternal, soul saving, sacred, ritual; as per, the LSD corporation, Brighamist Youngs,’ admonitions; better explained, in the book, “The God Makers.” Note, the exacting, heart plunge [MEs forensics’ cause of death], ear to ear, throat slice, of, Anderson, at the side of his grave, being, bled out, while his blood, ran down into his grave; then, body rinsed, clothes laundered… then, Alexander, submitting to his, blood atonement, reportedly, with his hands, duct taped, into, prayer mode; proven, or not, since the scene launderers, deritualized the site, before, forensics, did their charade; or, did it, right, so Sir Spazalot, could pick and choose, what, evidence he will, conceal, with his, criminal conversion of the facts… which, were… Alexanders,’ Anderson, copy, of, heart plunge, ear to ear, throat slice, blood drain, into, the shower; body, rinsed, sheets, symbolically, laundered, since, he was already, unclothed… and, despite, this obvious perjury of the evidence, the extradition, based upon, perjury, was not, rescinded, and, the ransom demand bail, cancelled; Sir Spazalot, reversed, his perjured, course, and, never skipped a jerk, twist, lunge, parry, or, shuck, or, jive, and, continued with a new perjury; while, still alluding, to, the obvious advantage, the mouse, had to have, in order to derail the freight train… despite, the proof that the gunshot, was no longer, first, to gain an advantage, yet, the advantage was still claimed, regardless, of, its’ impossibility, by, the perjuring, prostitutor, Sir Spazalot, and, still, subjected\, Jodi, to, a bogus trial, when, in point of fact, the soap opera, was over, the second, the spaz, reversed course; having been proven, that, his lies, were, based upon, fraud… Any claim that, the facts, and, sequence don’t matter, is, an abberation of minds, in accordance, with the spastic, hypnonauseating, prostitutor, who conceals reasonable doubts, and, the fact that, suicide, is not, a murder at all… If, the report of duct taped prayer mode, hands, is, true; who, removed it, and, hid it; provable or not, by hair on hands pulled out, or not, by the tape removal. What did the forensics, say about that; as, it would prove the attendance of the guy, in the boots, who, left a boot print, in the partially dried blood; within, the drying blood, four or five day, time frame; in which case, do note, that, that visitor, did not, call the police; why, unless, he was the killer, or, at least, the crime scene, blood atonement, launderer… and, yet, with all the imaginary, premeditation, and, the cans of gasoline, which, Jodi, could have smoked the evidence. she, chose to do an impossible, near decapitation, precision, quasireligious, kill, then, sit there, for, four or five days, with a dead body, when, she could have just, driven away, rather than wait to be caught, whatwith, all that premeditation, and, effort, to sneak right on through Arizona, to avoid, detection, only, lapsing from all that, precision, to, use her cell phone, make a bank deposit, remove her front, license plate, and, to, turn the rear one, upside, down; all, with such, premeditation… as if, who cares, what forensics, never bothered to find out, and, the spaz, chooses to conceal, she’s obviously guilty; if, you’re as brain dead as the judge, who did not, declare an acquittal, the second, the spaz, thought that doing an about face, would slither on by, without, being, recognized for the perjury it was; to, now, still claim that, Olive Oyl, didn’t need Popeye, to help, whip, Bluto, without, shooting him, first… So, how did the mouse, derail, the freight train??? Then, there’s the sacrilege of deritualization, of the sacred, blood oath, blood sacrifice, blood atonement, soap opera, being so desecrated, by the scene launderer, instead of the “Church,” telling us, who, ratted, Travis, out, to, the bishop; hiding behind, “privilege;” burning another, would be Stepford Wife, for the patriarchs… That’ll show those women, what, happens when you rat out, a miscreant, to the Bishop… There’s more; five years, of, my posts… yet, not one of dozens of reasonable doubts, reached into the courtrooms,’ obstruction of justice… I’ll leave this, screed, with, an admonition of, Brighamist Young, the pervert, with, 56 children, with other mens’ wives and daughters… who asked: “Is there a man, among us, who would not, kill, his brother, to, save, his eternal, soul ?” And, is there a district attorney, or, other, lizard at law, among us, who would not kill, an innocent girl, to, pander to all those LSD voters…??? Edgrrr…
AH HA! Finally I am full circle! Several months ago, (or years?) the image of those duct taped hands was indellibly burned into my brain. Then, poof, it was gone. I haven’t been able to locate it since. My first guess as the source is Ms Pajama Girl’s reporting. Somebody please find that photo for us again. It might even have appeared on this very site.
One, or, two, need only to realize that out of fifteen million zealots, there are at least a million who, are suckered into, lockstep, with their dictators, whose brainwashing has programmed them to believe, what they’re told…. that, as the Brighamist, admonished; “We would not kill a man, except out of love, to save his eternal soul,” and, “Is there a man, among us who would not kill his brother, to save his, eternal soul ???” Out of fifteen million fanatics, there’s not, a truckload, of those, who take such direction, for what it was; an edict, to send Travis, off to lalaland, with all those virgin angels; to do with, what got him snuffed for, here on planet, evil; as if, such illogics, actually, computes…..And, the only response, to the blood oath blood atonement, Saint Travis, martyrdom, was the laundering into a murder, charade, the “sacred,” ritual, ascension to planet playboy, for, Travis, the user…..and, the thousand revelers, wake, for his canonization…. With, not one LSDer, coming forward, to rat out, the whole soap opera……all, being complicit, in the State, conspiracy to murder a girl, known to be innocent….. Edgrrr…
Are we doing, “obviously,” when, “for certain,” proves that Jodi, “had no part in it ???” The photo, of wet blood bootprint, while. Jodi, was taking pictures, otherwise, how did she drop the camera ;??? The small black sock, person, proves, that Travis, was already a dead man walking, as proven by the bootprint in wet blood, and the fact that nobody of the four, present, minimum, at the kill site, called the police, and, the police, opinion proved the need for Olive Oyl, to, overpower, Bluto, by, shooting him first; which, of course, allowed them to scam, an interstate kidnap extradition… but, then, by the proofs, of dried blood, and, no gunpowder particulates, in the combined blood, handprint, the prostitutor, needed to recant his perjury of process, to admit, that the gunshot was ; my words: to fabricate, a feeble attempt to launder the crime of the repudiated killing; as if, there was any other reason for the melodramatic stabfest, other than to make Jodi, into a hysterical girl, out of control; after claiming that she did the surgical kill, without, hysterics, after the fact; but, not, before the fact; as if, the same person did both crimes, separated, by the admissions of the spastic prostitutor….that, the truths he concealed from the gitgo, were the proofs, always known, that, Jodi, did not fire a gun, and, photographed, the bigfoot, wetblood bootprint…and, the black sock smaller person; adding up to four people, minimum, at the kill site, scene; five days, before the crime to launder the blood oath, blood atonement, odor, of, church cult zealot complicity … readily recognized by the Mormon lead detective….. who has been demoted…. Why….??? … Edgrrr…
In addition, whatwith, duct taped hands, into, prayer mode, as proven by the laundering of the crime scene, and, easily provable by the yanked out hairs, when the tape was removed; otherwise, the duct tape hands, didn’t happen…. Anybody, bother to give a damned….??? …Edgrrr….
I agree that asking anyone to buy self-defense in a situation where someone was stabbed 27 times, shot in the head and had their throat slit — especially when she is saying she can’t remember what exactly happened.
Realistically, her only shot is at a lesser offense – either murder 2 or manslaughter based on extreme mental and emotional distress. Claiming self-defense takes credibility away from the defense and dilutes the arguments for lesser offenses. I think the defense made a mistake going there.
oops, first sentence of post should end with “is hard to swallow.”
Accirding to the indictment, there are two first degree murder options (pre-meditated and felony murder), with no lesser included charges. It’s go big or go home.
Nope. Murder 2 and manslaughter are indeed lesser offenses. The jury will have the option to find her guilty of any of those offenses.
According to the indictment; is that not, the issue…??? Guess what, geniuses; the indictment was essentially, repudiated by the backpedal antics of the lizards at law, mobs’ recant, and, abandonment of his own fabricated lies at law…. Where then, was there a second due process, arrest and prosecution, for the reversal of charges…??? … Where was the rescinded extradition, that, was abandoned…::: ??? … Where was the defense motion, to get that, done… …Edgrrr…
Dear Snow–A head’s up—you may want to barricade yourself and your 7 little employers in the mine, as, heigh-ho, heigh-ho under the bus you go on Monday, thanks to Alyce in Juanderland! We KNOW YOU are innocent. ((( SW )))
(( shrugs))
I have no idea what you’re babbling about. I’m assuming certain types of people get upset when others try to be objective and don’t join in the mob mentality.
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Why do you think, lieyers, get two million dollars, to aid and abet the system ??? How much will this charade at law, be worth in a federal civil rights, lawsuit…??? Edgrrr…
Snow White…Agreed; temporary insanity as a plea, would have made sense, and, would have eliminated the ensuing, permanent insanity, spastic carnival act, hypnonauseation, , by, Sir Dramamine ad nauseum Spazzalots, whirling dervish, dog chasing his tail, American Idol, tapdance, audition; if, you were not “defended,” by an, “officer, ” of organized crime at law; and, if you weren’t bribed, with two million bucks, to take a dive….and, if you could get the judge to conceal it from the defendant,; lest, taking a bribe, affect, your relationship with your lizards at law…. Edgrrr…
Examine the “incontrovertability,” of your claimed facts. How many, stabs, drew no blood ??? All, but, the heart plunge, ear to ear, throat slice; “preferred method,” of, keeping the sheeple, in line ??? Read, “The God Makers,,” for definition of this suicide/killing, sacred church, ritual… and, consider the admonition of, Brighamist Young; “Is there a man among us, who would not, kill his brother, to, save his eternal, soul…??? Edgar…
Let’s not add up the prejudicial observations as if they are some proof of an entirety, when, the individual prejudices, are arguable, in their own right,,, Edgrrr…
The defense mistake was in accepting a bribe, in the middle of a trial…. and in filing no motions, suitable enough, to be upheld on appeal….
Tamera rattles…. these sites are elusive, and, I get back on after, I’ve sent tye idiots to their shrooms…. Every day, mostly, I’m here, fighting, the twigs that are sprouting by those who call names, and, refuse to counter, my facts…. Thnnnxxx 4 the welcome… Edgrrr…
Ah! How I have missed you! xoxo
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 11:17 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Considering all the schizoidals, galloping, in this here, oater, you’re not meant to get it; only, that, you end up chasing your tails, like the spastic prostitutor, contradicting his own, made up lies at law…. and, watching the lizards at law, judiciate as fact, whatever, the penguin in a tutu, tapdances, before the comatoasted, jurors…. and, braindead judge…. Edtrrr…
The pseudo stabfest, charade, to, make the laundered kill, look like a hysterical woman did the precision, surgical strike, is clearly evidenced by the fact, that, the socalled “defensive,” wounds, did not bleed; distinctly proving that, there was no premeditation; as if, these were not, clearly, separate issues; five days, apart, as proven, by, the time it took for the blood puddles; as in, wet… and, , became, blood islands;as in, dried….. By what premeditational, sleight of mind, do you, afflictees, of the Arias Bias Virus, claim, that, she was stupid enough, to sit there for the five days, time, it took, to, watch the blood dry, so, why; so she could get caught….??? ….Snidely……..
Edger, I’ve read what you wrote, trying to understand. Did you get lab reports so you know which wounds did not bleed? Didn’t he lose the most blood in the hall? Are you saying this was a religious slaying? Some of your verbiage is difficult to comprehend. Who are 3 stooges? Who are other characters? Just trying to understand. Thanks
The video reenactment and theory posed at the end is so chilling and so plausible,That must be how it went down. I, like many others, have had a hard time with the “why use a knife if you had a gun” question. But when you think of it, she was in a rage and while stabbing him she was able to tell him exactly what her feelings were. Just think of the names she must have been calling him all 20 plus stabs. If she had shot him, it would have been over too quickly and she wouldn’t be sure he would still hear her. The only tricky part is imagining him with the ability to move with his throat slit that deeply. Bravo for the video explanation – it makes sense!
Well now, there’s the minor matter, of, being so premeditated; who needs rage, when you’ve calculated, for hundreds of miles, exactly what you have planned; then, bring a one shot BB gun to your orchestrated, siege ??? Forensics proves she never fired a gun, so how did she overpower him ??? Then there’s the matter of no blood from the second crime, which of course is because the heart had stopped, four days ago…. proving the “defensive wounds,” stabbings, and, gunshot, were days, as in four, after the high priest, sacred ritual, kill… or, by the literal enactment of the socalled, obsolete blood atonement oath… Read the books…
So who shot the gun? A fired bullet was found. So how can you say it was never shot when there is a bullet on the ground. I’m also confused by the way you type. Also do you believe he was a pedophile?
The fact that theories have to be imagined, constitutes, reasonable doubt, considering, that, opposite theories, can be equally, devised . to refute; as in 50/50… reasonable doubt…barely, circumstantial, speculation… … Edgrrr…
Agree with JLove. It wasn’t self-defense and doesn’t matter which came first. I have heard before that stabbing someone is more personal. Stabbing someone 29 times is VERY personal. You clearly want to HURT the person. Over and over again. Her initial motive may have been to use the gun and shoot him and make it look like it was a random attack. But, when she had the opportunity to stab him, she took it because it would clearly cause him more pain. I too initially believed she would have had to shoot him first because a 115 pound woman (I am about that weight) would have a really hard time taking down a 190 pound man. She had to get him weakened somehow. Maybe she shot him and then the gun locked and she couldn’t fire any more rounds. Maybe she did all the stabbing first, then shot him to make sure he was dead for sure. Who knows? The only thing we know is that it wasn’t self defense. One shot could be seen as self defense. Perhaps even one stab wound could be seen that way (and then run and call the police!) But 29 times + gun shot + fleeing and trying to cover it up? That is not self-defense. Come on jury!! Please don’t believe this bull shit from Jodi or her defense team.
Exactly… she did none of it; in, no gunpowser residue was found in the combined blood handprint, proving, she never fired a gun… Of course it wasn’t self defense; that’s what happens when your pubic pretenders dupe you into, the only acceptable, soap opera, that is acceptable; innocense, is irrelevant to these lizards at law, illiterati, and, that’s why, our prisons are full of innocent people…
l of what he has perjured for five years, is, irrelevant, as he’s replaced it with, another three stooges cons-piracy of the second part…without, benefit of, a dismissal of the first con, and, the minor technicality, of a new arrest for the twisted new format; of, obstruction, no matter where the facts lead… The arrest of the first con, was bogus…the trial was bogus; the initial soap opera, admitted, bogus; six epiphanies by the three stooges, conspiracy,all arrived at separately, then lied at law to put them together, now, reversed, without, confessing to the fact that the prostitutor, hypnonauseated them into his con, before the court, twice, and the braindead judge, doesn’t throw all these lizard at law, reptilian illiterati, into prison, surely, proves they’re all in on this pandering to the LSD / LDS incorporated, and alleged “church,” with ALL THOSE VOTERS… Edgrrr,,,
How many, reasonable doubts, have been concealed from the jury, and, what, impact will the fact that, they are posted, reasonable doubts; time and date, stamped; to, prove that they existed, all through the trial, and, were, concealed, from the process, by the, at law, kangaroo kourt, processors, or, are we to believe that a socalled trial, with such obvious ommissions, and, concealments, are within the sworn duty, of all these court jesters…???.. And, why, has this site shut down, when, this soap opera, is just beginning, unless one honest juror, is incensed enough, at the Sir Dramamine Spazzalot, carnival act, side show, and, snaps out of the penguin in a tutu, spastic, hypnotrick; and, hangs this soap opera, like the blood proof; out, to dry…??? The blood and brass proof, that the crimes, had different, perpetrators; one, precision blood atonement, ritual, and, the last, four days after the kill; as evidenced by the time it took for the blood to dry… Edgar…
Missed dinner… The disconnect between the kill, and, the “Let’s set, Jodi, up for this,” is, clearly, the days it took, for the blood to dry… and, it’s not likely, she sat there, with a dead body, for four days, as evidenced by the fact the heart wasn’t working, four days later, as evidenced by no bleeding from the setup wounds; to make the precision kill, into a hysterical, stabfest… Who’s buying that soap opera…???
Sure…. and, with such premeditation, and, riding over a thousand miles, with smelly gasoline containers, loaded with fuel, it, never occurred to her, to, spare a pint, to get the party ended, by, smoking the evidence…. Nah, she gets framed by the person who installed her license plate, upside down, and, nobody, fingerprinted it, to prove, who did the setup….or, the prostitutor concealed it, along with his other crimes, at law…. .Who ordered the Spaz, to recant his lies at law, and, who, ordered the judge and, defense to back off from, their sworn duty…??? …..Edgrrr…
Who, but, the politicians, who pandered to all those voters, of the LSD ‘church,.”…and, ordered the spastic prostitutor, to recant is lies in the implausable, soap opera, in scene one…..which, with the concealment of exculpatory, evidence, proved, that, Jodi, had not, fired a gun; proven and concealed, by no gunpowder particulates in the combined blood, handprint…..???…Who, ordered, the Spaz, to recant his first soap opera, lies at law, to, doublecross, the other two, stooges, who, all, in concert, repudiated, their lockstep, sworn testimonies; not, once, but, twice; without, a bleat from the Sheeple, or, dismissal, with prejudice, or, a motion by the three millon dollar bribed defense…if not, the lizards at law, who, slither, in control, there, in, Wonderland, .being, politically jeopardized, by the antics, of the snake oil peddler, prostitutor……..??? … Edgrrr…
I can’t figure any rhyme or reason to why he let her in his bed again or how the attack began. I got a horrible feeling when Alyce read, or “memorized” the IM where he said she was using up other people’s oxygen or something like that, I thought of her slicing his windpipe with that in mind.
Sure… mighty mouse, nearly decapitated, him; whatwith, all his.artial arts, training, and, 100 pound advantage… because that, satisfies, your bloodlust… Edgar….
im 109 at best and just slid my 200 lbs guy across our floor…. its deffn possisible Edgar
OMG! I miss Edgar Longnecker! He was the disrupter of the Jodi Arias comment section here!
Breathtaking, is the word, being evaded…….Edgrrr…
Jokers,’ unimaginations, are indeed a joke….. “Let her,” as if, the passionate frog; horny toad, to you, had to think about it….. Edgrrr…
She had to say the gunshot was first since it is the reason she has “no recollection”of the stabbing. Poor girl went into shock after she shot him. It also supports the position that the death penalty is not in order since after being shot in his face he did not relent in chasing her,causing the necessity to stab him. Also, cruel and torturous conditions must be present to warrant the death penalty,were eliminated in her version because she was defending herself. I don’t believe this version for one second, but can understand why it’s being presented this way. Not supporting Jodi’s version is the evidence that the bullet landed on top of blood, but was not covered in it. If it had been kicked onto the blood wouldn’t it have blood on it?
I think it depends on when (if) it was kicked – what if it was kicked when his body was found -in all of the confusion – as they rushed around and the blood was dried? I think there is reasonable doubt about when the casing landed on the blood.
I have an explanation that makes perfect sense(to me). While he was off guard in the shower thinking she had gone she snapped pix of him, then stabbed him numerous times in the back and in his skull, but didn’t incapacitate him. Then he somehow got out and stumbled down the hall where he was met by a shot to the head. This pretty much did the job but to make sure, she stabbed him in his chest and slit his throat .
Kicked, brass shell, you say ? Try to walk with a kicking motion, to enact, such a reasonable doubt damage control, to conceal the proof of the four day time lapse, wherein, Jodi, sat for four days, contemplating how best to set herself up, when, after the precision kill, she could have driven away… and, likely, phone records, and, bank deposit time stamps, could prove she was halfway to Utah, when the bloodless, “defensive cuts,” etc., were staged…
There is no reasonable doubt, about the presense of dried blood, or not, and, some proofs that, a puddle of blood, takes, days to dry…into, a solid, as proven by no wet blood smear, on the brass, shell…either, or; prove otherwise, and, chalk up another reasonable doubt, that she wasn’t halfway to Utah, by the time, the, “let’s set Jodi, up for this,” soap opera, began…and, that, time element, is as verifiable, as the logic, in determining, when her socalled five day, visitation, began, and, ended… Forensics, could have tols us, how many days, it took the blood to dry… I, say, four days; you claim that the blood and, brass physical evidences, don’t matter; to prove, two crimes; one, she could not have physically, committed, and, the second, a crime to implicate herself, which she wouldn’t have done, when, she could have just, driven away… You say she’s crazy; I say, she’s not stupid… tomaters… tomahtoes… Edgrrr…
Reasonable doubt, works both ways…. and, one, is all that’s required… How many dozens, have you counted, so far…??? Edgar…
Sure, you can alibi to any soap opera, you choose, but, the fact you need to, constitutes, the reverse, as has now been proven by the wimped out conspiracy to claim, she shot him first to overcome the weight advantage, and his martial arts kickboxing advantage; now, disproven as Sir Spazalot, has conspired again in reverse of lie number one, on to lie number two, and number two, is exactly what he’s full of; admittedly…. Where’s the dismissal, and, vacated judgement of the non court…??? Where’s the arrest for this new format crime ??? How do you use, admittedly false information to prosecute a non case; just add up 2aall the lies, and, they become the truth…. Zieg Heil, to that…. Edgrrr… So, how did she get the superhuman strength to overpower and, nearly decapitate, Travis, fighting for his life, without, shooting him first…
As long as the blood was still wet; which it wasn’t; therefore the spastic penguin in a tutu, would have you believe, what is contradicted by forensics proof, and, that, the bullet was fired four days after the killing, as evidenced by the days, it took for the blood to dry, so the brass shell, landed upon dried blood; and, was devoid of wet blood on it… also, proven by dried blood, under the shell… and, that wasn’t possible, unless, the gunshot, et al, was not, what it was; “a set Jodi up,” soap opera…Proof,of course, is that when forensics got there, the blood was already dry… and, that had to be days after the precision kill… So, it’s not possible that Jodi,
sat there four days, waiting for the blood to dry, while, she contemplated how best to set herself up, when she could have walked out, and driven away. Then, there’s all that gasoline, to torch the evidence, so, why didn’t she?
And, if, Santa Claus, was not real, there’d be no Christmas…. Edgrrr…. Speculation, is by nature, controvertible, or, it wouldn’t be speculation; of course, containing the fact of reasonable doubt, to the contrary… as Jack Webb, would say: “just the facts, ma’am…” Edgrrr…
OMG! EDGRRRRRRR IS BACK!
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 1:41 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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The prostitutor, had to conspire with the other two stooges, in order to scam, an interstate kidnapping, at law. by, saying that, she, shot him, first, to, gain an advantage; Explain why, when, the penguin in a tutu, backpedaled, his lies at law, to rescind the perjuries, he claimed, in order to hold an innocent person for two million dollars ransom; ..the braindead judge did not, dismiss… for abandonment of process, and, format; to reverse, to recant the exposed fraudulance of the entire soap opera, and, why, the defense, refused to submit, a motion to end the charade, based upon the repudiated, lies at law….??? What’s a three million dollar bribe, got to do with anything, there, in, Wonderland, Arizona….???… And, why, no move by the two, scammed governors, to, rescind, the entire soap opera., for cancellation of the lies at law, upon which the soap opera, was granted; then, admitted, perjury, as the Spaz, doublecrossed the ME, and, the defective detective, , whom, he had badgered into lockstep, perjuries; proven by theier, reversal of their own lioes at law, tacitly confessed to..???…How many perjuries in office, there, in the twilight zone, before, the Feds, raid, such a crapshoot, and, arrests these pinheads for racketeering….???……. Edgrrr
The right to competent and effective counsel, has been bought off, by, this State, pandering to lhe LSD “church,” with, all those voters… Who cares that the killer, has been given a pass, while, Jodi, “had no part in it…” The photo evidence proves, the killing was essentially, a dead man walking, certainty, by bigfoot, bootprint, in wet blood, while, Jodi, is alleged to have been holding the camera, which, she is alleged to have dropped, which, she could not have done, without the proof, of her picture taking, distance, proximity, to each, subject, as proven, by the States,’ own evidence…….. Edgrrr…
Hey Edgrrr! You realize “the State being bought off” would have had nothing to do with her counsel. You remember her counsel, the folks that wanted off the case and made a million motions throughout the trial to get off the case, right?
The counsel was bribed three million dollars, to shave points; regarding, a motion to dismiss, with, prejudice, the repudiated, soap opera, rife with, perjurial three stooges, antics, at law…. Guilt by ommission, is, equal to, guilt by commission…. Where’s the sworn testimony of the two governors, and, the Feds, who, superintend, interstate kidnappings, under color of law….??? Where was the braindead judge, letting, the Spaz, float, lies; the opposite of, which, the three stooges, swore to, under penalty of perjury; and, conversely, when, they floated their 180 aboutfaced, soap opera…. ??? …Edgrrr…
Jlove,
I fully agree with your assessment. Self defense, you shoot and run. You may even shoot two or three times and run. What you don’t do is take the time too stab someone and slice their damn throat. And, you’d never clean up the crime scene. I mean, you’ve just been in a battle for your life, the last thing one would do is clean up. Also, you’re far more generous than I am. Even if she had claimed temp insanity, you wouldn’t have gotten a pass from me. After all, she already knew he was taking someone, according to her. So, she couldn’t then claim that upon discovery she “snapped.”
Now, what she should have plead was NG by reason of mental defect or diminished capacity – not temp insanity. Because the things you listed such as: she went to him, she didn’t cut him off from the sex, she didn’t change her number, etc. and her past actions toward Travis and her mother, are signs of a person w/ a mental disorder.
Now, don’t mis-understand me, I’m glad she went with self defense – she will almost assuredly be found GUILTY.
BTW – This here: ‘”relegating me back to my sex object whore status” Priceless.
I can’t wait until Monday so Juan can clear up this “abuse” B.S. Alyce is a disappointment to all abuse victims. I have just about zero respect remaining for her. I know she is just doing her job, but she is in over her head and way off base as far as Jodi is concerned.
“What, you don’t do,” if you’re so calculating, is enough idiotics to set yourself up, when you have cans full of gasoline, to erase your having been there, and, done that……
If, you’d been there, and, done that…. Who then, removed her front license plate, and, turned the rear one, upside down, and, who’s concealing the fingerprints, from the plate…??? …Edgrrr…
The State three million bucks bribe, was accepted by the lame defense, as a bribe; perceived to be a bribe, and, known to be a bribe, otherwise, why did the “defense,” motion the judge, to keep it, quiet, from the accused, and, the jury, with the lame excuse that, it might affect the lieyer / client, relationship…. ya s’ppose…..??? … Edgrrr…
I am watching on youtube when Martinez starts cross-examination with Laviolette. He is not yelling at her, he is using a normal voice when he starts his cross. When she doesn’t want to answer a question directly, she does what Jodi and Dr. Samuels did, she beats around the bush on purpose. It is like she is baiting him to get mad. She is the one who became beligerant first!
She was so disrespectful, from the way she is sitting with her elbow on the desk and her hand in her head when he is questioning her. She is not giving him a straight answer. He had every right to ask her just answer yes or no, because the questions he was asking her were yes or no questions.
I really hope the Judge admonished her after court ended. The Judge should have admonished her then and there.
When Juan asks her “Ma’am, you did refer to this exhibit (he shows exhibit on slide show) yes or no?
She replies: I did refer to it. He again has to ask her so that is a yes? She is deliberately trying to piss him off, and she has the balls to ask him if he is mad at her.
And when she is sparring with him over her standard fee and smirking, why in the hell isn’t the Judge stopping her from doing that?
Great observation, wrong pew… baiting is the antic of Sir Dramamine Spazalot, goading, everyone, while his spazzing carnival act, hypnotricks, everyone into seasickness, watching his penguin in a tutu, pirouetting tapdance, emoting, his contempt of court, and for the jury, as he induces them into his own coma… If this soap opera, goes on, long enough, all of them will call in nauseated, by his high seas piracy act… as if his spastic gyrations and, Charlie Chaplin strobe act, isn’t calculated, to,conceal, reasonable doubt…and, exculpatory evidence…
I have many technical questions about the camera left behind and how it was affected by being in the washing machine for whatever period of time. I didn’t “discover” this trial til Jodi was on the stand in her defense. The Murder Timeline that the camera testifies to seems odd to me…too fast to me.
The decomposing Travis is there in his locked bedroom while there is an overnight guest with a roommate in the upstairs. And wouldn’t Travis’ dog be [email protected] bricks with his owner unavailable?
Jodi is guilty of 1st degree murder undoubtedly. Her version (3rd version) has the gun shot first, followed by fog. That seems well thought through to find a slot in the Prosecutions timeline that fits. And the fog follows. Must be different.
No problem; Jodi, hid the camera in the bedding, and, put the bedding in the washer, and, was run out of there before she could retrieve it… No doubt, Travis went nuts, realizing she could ruin his church image, with the pictures, and, she wouldn’t tell him where it was… The fun and indoor sports, motif, of their relationship, was there for all to see…
Napoleon, the dog, was not confronted to see which actual suspect would freak him out, because these lizards at law, have targeted, Jodi. You think, he didn’t sense what was happening to Travis…??? Edgrrr….
ooooooh Is it too late to put Napoleon on the stand? This circus could use more animal acts.
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 3:49 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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IMO He was willingly posing in the shower for her GQ Magazine-like. She had him sit down-deliberately limiting his ability to defend himself–no gun yet–she stabbed him in the heart–see enlarged eye photo of Travis in album on top of Facebook page “State vs Arias”–flash is in her left hand–(during her unintended testimony about gripping the knife, she unthinkingly gripped an imaginary knife in her right hand) She had planned all this in Yereka–however she was not planning on him being able to exit the shower, stagger to the sink, stab, stab, stab…staggers/crawls down the hall, leaving a bloody trail on the wall until he collapsed at the entrance to the bedroom and she slit his throat, which she had always planned on as a “symbolic” revenge blood oath* gotcha for rejecting her as wife-worthy. She started to drag him back but she needed to throw water down the hallway to lubricate it..stuffed him in the shower, then shot him..
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*When she felt “betrayed” by TA, she administered her own sociopathic personal version of the old Mormon “Ritual Blood Oaths and Penalties of Vengeance” ….Throat cut from ear to ear. (very unusual, very traditional)
“Mormon Temple Blood Oaths
From 1842 until about 1927, approximately 85 years, all Mormon temple endowment participants took gruesome, violent blood oaths and executed penalty gestures which show how life may be taken. The penalty gestures were removed in 1990.” (Now claimed to have been only “symbolic”)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penalty_(Mormonism) (not graphic)
Very insightful. This is what I have suspected all along!! This has to do with Blood Atonement (LDS)!!
Steph., Travis’s issues with, who, ratted him out to the Bishop, is concealed behind, “privilege,” and, it’s obvious that Jodi, got what, where, when, and, how much she wanted from Travis, and, thereby, is the last person to need to be disgruntled enough to rat, Travis, out, to the Bishop…. Read the admoniotions of Bringem Young, as to any perversions but his own, and the redemption costs, for your own kingdom, full of virgin angels, and, do note the thousand person wake, canonizing, Travis, for his self sacrifice, martyrdom; as if, all thousand, didn’t know that he chose eternal soul saving, over, Jodi, and, anybody else he could guru motivate…. and, do note the thousands that know that when the Bishop speaks, the thinking has been done…. problem is, the Bishop, thjinks he’s above the law… Edgrrr…
T Phord, I think you got it exactly right.
Yeah, the autopsy report is just “end of”.
I try to take some comfort in remembering my own experience being stabbed, I didn’t feel a thing because of the adrenaline. And I have a friend who was stabbed several times, he says at the time he just thought he was just being punched.
I also just want to mention- I do think Jodi is insane. I kinda wonder if killing T drove her more insane. I don’t think she was “acting” crazy in the interrogation videos, bc that was not at all the image she wanted to present to Flores. When she threw her head back and laughed… Soooo creepy!
If the gunshot produced no bleeding, which I believe the medical examiner said, she shot him last. Who knows why, perhaps to make sure he was dead, to mess up the scene and make it more confusing, or as a final f u. I agree though that it really doesn’t matter, in fact if she shot him first I think that’s even worse. No way was he still fighting after that so the knife was used to cut him out of sadism.
The gunshot was of the second crime, to set her up, for the first crime, which, forensics proves she never fired a gun. so, how did such a mouse, derail a freight train…with, a one bullet gun, that wasn’t fired until, four days after the precision kill; as evidenced by the brass band, playing, “Don’t cry for me, Arizona”… laying, brass, upon blood, long ago, dried… Where was Jodi, on any of the drying days, and, the laundry days? She wouldn’t have done, the laundry, without, removing the camera, first, then run out of there, left it…? The masked intruders, did the laundry,or, the room mate, did… ???
Edgar Longenecker, Arias thinks she is smarter than Einstein so, from your thoughts on blood atonement, perhaps she thinks she God, too.
Tango, Arias had a plan and I think all along that plan involved making the police believe there was two people involved in killing TA. And, according to all the crime stories we see on TV, the way to show two people were involved at a crime scene it to have two weapons…thus, the knife and the gun!
Your statement below sums up my thoughts on this case as well. In OH her claim/evidence would fail to meet the elements of self defense. SHE has to first prove the affirmative defense. Do you know if AZ is the same? I keep seeing posts from people on twitter that the burden in AZ is on the State to disprove her self defense claim and that she has no burden at all, which I find absurd. That being said, this is a capital case and the judge would probably let it go to the jury either way. Great article, thx!
“Therefore, according to her own testimony, the threat would have been passed. By her own account that she shot him first, the following stab wounds and throat slashing would definitely not fall under the auspice or protection of legal self defense. Add to that the 9 or so stab wounds to the back (which would mean that Travis was turned AWAY from her), and I don’t see how her lawyers were even allowed to present self defense as a claim. “
There werer four people at the scene, as proven by the photographs, proximity to the subjects; one, the picture of the foot in a sock, taken from far enough away to not possibly the person in the sick…. ditto, the mans,’ bootprint in the wet blood; freash at the scene, also, from too far away to have been done by him, Travis, and, possibly Jodi; that count is four; in keeping with the two intruders; a man and a woman, who ran, Jodi, out of there, before she could retrieve the camera….proving her relationship, with Travis, was indoor sports… How, with perfect pictures, did some get, blurred, given the tailoring of exculpatory evidence, as concealed for four years, by Sir Spazalot, the prostitutor…??? Edgrrr…
No reasonable doubt to it; the blood was dry; four or five days, after the kill… Edgrrr… Soreee for the typos….With all that gasoline, surely, she could spare a quart to smoke the joint, and, obliterate the socalled evidence….. Grrr…
person in the sock…. Edgrrr…
Jodi shot Travis while taking pictures the boom sound made her drop the camera the gun jam then she contaminated the crime scene trying to finish him off she didn’t have time or she didn’t know how to un jam the gun . THUNDERDOG 🙂
Nah… while she was focusing on taking pictures, someone fired a gun from behind her, as evidenced, by being shell shocked, an explosion, into a collapse to the floor, as proven by the blurred pictures, as she collapsed… Does Sir Dramamine Spazalot, claim that, she had a gun in one hand, a knife in her other hand, a camera in her third hand; dragged him, with her fourth hand, rinsed the body with the fifth hand, while being careful, to not rinse the blood from her sixth hand, so she could prove she was there, by signing the wall, with a combined blood handprint, and, does two loads of laundry, waiting for the cops to finish their donuts… put on their bug costumes, and, SNOT TEAM, the place with the reported gunshot… Then there’s the minor technicality, concealed with all the other reasonable doubts, of no gunpowder particulates, in the combined blood hand print, proving that neither of them, fired a gun… so, how did a 130 pound girl, overpower a 200 plus pound, wrestler, fighter, weight lifting body builder, fighting for his life…??? Why have dozens of reasonable doubts, been concealed from the jury; if, not, because Sir Dramamine Spazalot, is mauseating the jury with his carnival, act; pirouetting his stage act, comatoasting the jury…??? He’s spazzed the judge, and, one juror, so far; the rest will just have to settle, for his hypnotricking spaz induced coma… Edgrrr…
on direct dr horn said no bleeding visible in skull due to decomp however on cross or redirect stated bleeding evident in scalp and cheek to a lesser degree than stabs. If present he had to be alive. I think the bullet penetrated his skull then clipped rt frontal lobe then entered rt frontal sinus pasing down to exit the left maxiallary stopping on top of the left maxial bone. Words cant say how much pain this would cause. Travis would be able to somewhat walk and move. The bullet would have left him blinded on rt side and blood would fill his airways.
Sure might, if, he wasn’t already dead, when the set Jodi up for it soap opera, was going on…
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jodi came up with the self defense after she got rid of 1st lawyer and tried to blackmail a 2nd degree out of the state. Nurmi is locked into her story thats why he tried to leave. If self defense you say that when arrested not two years and two other stories
Sure she did, when told by and relying upon, yet, another lizard at law, as the only plea that could work; as in, innocence is irrelevant, in Wonderland…
jodi came up with the self defense after she got rid of 1st lawyer and tried to blackmail a 2nd degree out of the state. Nurmi is locked into her story thats why he tried to leave. If self defense you say that when arrested not two years and two other stories later
I think if you look at the pictures and look at the ME report it is easy to come up with the knife was first, the stab to chest while he was in seated position, it goes in 3 inches; she was kneeling with camera in her right hand (the button was on the right side of camera). She is left handed so she stabs with left hand. He doesn’t really know what happened so he gets up and started coughing blood. That is when he leans over the sink spewing blood, and she stabs him in the back 9 times, he turns around and that is where he gets all the defensive wounds. Oh and I do believe she is yelling the whole time. “This is for calling me a 3 hole wonder”, and “this is for not taking me on the trip”, etc. By now he is dizzy and either falls to the ground on all fours or stagers down the hall as Jodi is behind him shallowly slashing at him, (hence the other stab wounds) he drops to the ground where the large blood spot is and that is where she slashes his neck from ear to ear and nearly decapitates him. By this time, he is dead, but she hears gurgling or some noises and that is when she caps him in the head. If you look at the trajectory of the bullet it goes from right down to left, which to me indicates she was standing over him. She then drags him back to the shower and puts the cup of water over him and washes what she can. Then she deletes all the pictures (police had to get them back off the card) towels off the walls and floors, gathers the sheets, towels and camera and throws them all in the washing machine (leaving the blood smudge on the washing machine) to wash all the blood off everything. She takes the knife to the kitchen puts it in the dishwasher (like she stated) washes it….then takes the gun with her. There never was a rope because that was a claim to get the knife upstairs. When she saw the police while driving in the desert that is when she washed more blood off her before going through the checkpoint. Very diabolical and manipulative!
Nah… where, then are her footprints, in the already four day old dried blood; for her to be standing over him, AND, IF WATER WAS POURED TO LUBRICATE THE SLIDE, THEN, WHAT GOLF SHOES, WITH SPIKES, WOULDN’T LEAVE TELLTALE MARKS IN THE FLOOR…so as to keep her from falling down…??? And, why did she wait till he got out of the shower, to kill him, and, return him to the shower, when he was already in the shower…??? Read The God Makers, for the more likely, soap opera; Anderson, fornicating his stepdaughter, was held over his grave, praying, when they heart plunged, and, ear to ear throat sliced him; bled out, [ Blood Atonement ], down into the grave… body washed, and, clothes laundered…Alexander, ratted out to the bishop, who’s watching Jodi take the rap, when he’s concealing the more likely suspect, who, complaining to the bishop, had an axe to grind, against, Travis… Heart plunge, ear to ear throat slice, bleed out, down the shower drain… body washed, and, clothes / bedding laundered… Get the picture ??? Will the bishop, name the complainant, Travis, pleaded to, and, what possible defense could he have, with such Jekyl and Hyde, perversions…???
There were drag marks and blood all over the bedroom, she took her shoes off and was in her socks. She tried a massive clean up so it is possible she wet the footprints so much they could not collect them. She used several towels to wipe up lots of places in the hall and bedroom. They certainly were able to take her entire palm print with her blood and his blood on it.
Longnbecker, Arias planned to kill TA in the shower. What better place to contain the blood and mess of a killing. BUT, ya’ know, the best laid plan of mice and men…well, it did not work as she expected.
TA was strong as a bull but, I believe, he was stabbed in/near the heart which had him fighting to get out of that confined space but weakened and confused. And she was surprised.
Too late, TA had begun to realize that she was stalking him and might be dangerous! I think Donna, a couple of comments above, pretty much describes what else happened.
Why did JA need to get TA back in the shower? She had cut her fingers while killing TA. Ryan testified she had bandaids on several fingers when she got to his house that day plus she posted a picture of one of her fingers and it was a bad cut! She had to get him back in that shower because her blood was mixed with his blood and she had to wash him off to get rid of that damning evidence against her!
There were foot prints in the bloody area of the carpet at the end of the hall. Who ever made the prints…JA…had walked over and over and on top of them so they could not get a clear impression or size of the foot.
I do not believe this was ‘blood atonement” for his sin. Otherwise, would not JA also have to be killed for the same sin!
There was a rope, for her bondage, as the duct tape, signifies, his bondage, was done… The knife was his, to cut pieces off the longer rope, to tie her up… She spooked, sensing evil afoot…he obviously never intended to tie himself up with the rope… the duct tape, could be un wadded and, fingerprinted, to see whose prints were immortalized on the sticky side of the tape. Nobody ever peeled duct tape, without a firm grasp on the sticky side as well as the shiny side… and, that, leaves, fingerprints, that, superglue vapor, will reveal… Of course, why bother with evidence, when Sir Dramamine Spazalot, is coma toasting the jury, with his carnival act…???
Totally believe there was no rope and there certainly was no duck tape. The bed proves she was never tied up, sleigh bed. She also hemmed and hawed around that too much and was caught lying about it. no rope.
There actually was duct tape. If you look at TA lying on bed he has a calorie counter taped to his right arm. In 1 shower photo you can see the red mark left by the duct tape. I believe ripped duct tape was found in the garage, but not sure.
Kim, a piece of crumpled up duct tape was found in front of the washer. I don’t know if any test was done on it. I hadn’t noticed the calorie burning thing held on with duct tape.
And, lying, presupposes, that you know the truth, beyond your own fabrications; that’s called prejudice… And, you’ve erased the duct tape, and not the rope, to fit, your extrapolations, prejudicially…??? Why then, would she need a knife, when she allegedly, had a gun…???
Arias needed a reason to have a knife in the bedroom or bathroom. She brought the rope. And perhaps the knife. Neither the knife or the rope were found.
No… Jodi, would not be killed, too; considering, their, subserviance, as, Strepford Wives, required to suck up, to, the patriarchal, slavedom, is the modus operandi, of, quasireligious, slaveries… Jodi, is, “an example must be made,” pawn, of the arrogance, of: “When the Bishop, speaks, the, thinking, has, already, been, done,” delusionaries… Edgar…
Blood atonement, including Stepford Wives; not on your life… they are training to be madams of planet perversion, with all those virgin angels… Edgrrr….
Donna, the duvet, sheets and pillow cases were taken from the dryer. It appears Arias put those items in the washer before she took the pictures in the shower. She didn’t want any evidence that she had been there and there definitely was evidence on those sheets.
And in her ‘fog’ she put them on to dry before she put the towels, TA’s socks, underwear, shorts, shirts and camera in the washer.
donna, i had a friend sit like TA in my stall shower, i kneeled s ja said and photos swow. I tried to get a good left handed swing with toy knife and it was really difficult to get the angle of penetration with the force required to go thru cartilage. If shot 1st as i described TA could walk but not fight. If the gun jammed there is enuf time between pics for ja to get a knife. That time would allow TA to get from shower to sink. Then the real frenzy began. And i agree with you as to her punctuating every stab with why she was pissed. The vena cava wound would be around the time of foot in picture pic. Laying flat would be easier to go thru the cartilage and ja would have better leverage to apply the needed force.
Nah… Whatwith such premeditation, she wheeled in with her medical cart, and, methodically selected the right tool, one at a time, and, without opposition, proceeded to do the dirty deed..then sat there for four days, deciding how to kill him again, after the blood dried, so as to leave no footprints…. Why, is the shoeprint, not, evidence that, while the blood was still partially wet, a killer, would not, and, did not, call the cops, with all that sticky blood, he was walking on…???. That is, unless he was the actual killer, or, an accomplice…? Where’s the forensics report, regarding, testing shoes for blood…??? The picture shows the partially dried blood, with the squashed footprint…
Did you say “she sat there for 4 days”? uh, no. She went to suck face with Ryan Burns. Remember she climbed on top of him…etc…made phone calls to Ryan and Matt McCartney shortly after she got out of Arizona. They were able to track her cell phone the minute she got into Utah, when she turned her phone back on.
Yup, my point,exactly… she wasn’t there, four days later, whatwith, sucking face, in Utah… so, how could she be in two places at once…??? The blood was dried after four days, as proven by the brass and blood testimonies; who says, dead men tell no tales… ??? The phone calls, were when..??? sometime within the five days, nobody checked on Travis…and, the phone calls and bank deposit time stamps, prove she was long gone from the murder scene… And… while the blood was drying…. and, the singular bullet, was actually fired, as evidenced by the brass landing upon dried blood…four days, after the kill…
No the phone calls were not within 5 days. They were within hours after she left. They have the cell phone records. She stated she thought the bullet was kicked to the blood. …or she could have used the knife first and the gun last. Either way the phone records have been traced, so there is no way she sat there for 4 days…just DID not happen.Just curious, have you watched any of the trial? You seem to have things very twisted around and not making any sense. just sayin’
And, he would volunteer to lay flat, so Jodi, wouldn’t have to strain, plunging into his heart ??? And, I, have things, twisted around…??? Didn’t happen within the five days, you say; without, knowing, when the five days, began, or, ended…???And, of course, when Jodi, punched out, the time clock, another, person, punched in, and, at that, instant, called the cops…??? And, the cops never chased her… and, how do we know, that anywone even knew she was there… and, being so concerned that the wicked witch of the west, was bewitching the motivational guru, why didn’t these dedicated friends, rescue him, in five days, while they were all packed and waiting, for the Cancun trip…??? How do you know, when she left, or, when, she got there…???
I get you, now, Longenecker! You are playing the ‘devil’s advocate’! You are doing a good job but it does not seem your comments are changing any of our already ‘prejudiced] minds. Keep up the good work as I enjoy your opposing/funny comments!
JA took pictures of her and TA after sex. The pictures were time stamped June 4, 2013…even the time on them…so that’s how it was known when she was there.
No one knows exactly when she left but she was with Ryan Burns by the next day. She told him she got lost on the way and slept in her car to explain why she was later than planned. Ryan Burns testified to this.
She made a phone call to TA, leaving a message on the answering machine, knowing he was dead since she’d killed him, asking him to go to a concert or something with her and a friend. She did this to cover her tracks. Her cell phone tower picked up the call in Utah.
She was also pulled over by a policeman in Utah because her license plate was upside down. The policeman testified to where and when.
.TA’s roommates were not going on the Cancun trip and thought he was already gone. It was only when Mimi, the friend that was going to Cancun with him, had not heard from TA that she began calling and looking for him. She and a friend went to the house and a roommate found him, dead in the shower.
Forgetting to answer the claim that the phonecalls were not after the five days, means, she killed him five days prior, or, within; according to the days it took for the blood puddles to become blood islands, as no blood smear or indentation from or upon the ejected brass, therefore indicating the allegation that she sat there waiting for the blood to dry, with a dead body, waiting for the cops to come for the gunshot; why, so she could be caught…makes no sense I don’t hear any accusations, to indicate she was an idiot, who’d commit murder, and then sit there for five days, waiting to get caught… do you…??? When, exactly, was the recorded phonecall, if not when the blood was wet, then, ; proving, that the gun was fired, after the blood was dry, and, the phonecall proving she was long gone, when the blood was dry, as evidenced by the unsmeared brass, and, as evidenced by the discovered body, proving, exactly, when the call related to the end of the five days it took for the blood to dry..or, not….. The dried blood and unsmeared blood, proves dead men, can tell tales…. proving Jodis’ innocense..??? Snidely…. Edgrrr…
what i see in the shower pics are after the calvin klien pic is TA lower torso. That is when i believe she shot him. I think this was a sympathetic reflex of her rt hand to the trigger pull gunshot of her left. The next pic is the ceiling. That is about a minute later enuf time for gun trouble, dropped or jammed, to get a knife and attack TA at the sink. The pic shows an angled roofline and that is by sink and closet area. She was getting rid of camera as she attacked and thats why the roof. Next is foot and body i think thats where the chest stabs happened. I think TA was crawling down the hall for some of the backstabs. Two of the cluster of nine are a opposite angle to the others so she was standind in a different place when those occured. I think those two were the first and thats when he tried to defend himself. She cut his throat at the bedroom end of the hall the blood shows it she couldnt hide that. Dr horns report states that decomp in the brain made it inconclusive as to path and damage.
Sure… mighty mouse, had the horsepower to nearly decapitate a man, fighting for his life as alleged by “defensive wounds.”
Rose, The next day, presupposes there was a day before…. establishing that date…. edgrrr…
SOUNDS AS GOOD AS ANY OTHER PREJUDICIAL excuse to hang it on a mere Olive Oyl, who overcame, Bluto, by shooting him first, except that, forensics found no gunpowder particulates in the combined blood handprint, proving she never fired a gun…then, wherein, she allegedly sat for four days, and, never thought to wash off the hand print, while, doing the laundry, without retrieving the camera in the bedding, where she hid it…and, never thought that she could torch the place, or, just drive away…. Where’s the forensics reports, analyses, in the car; in her purse; on the steering wheel, shifter, door handles… and, fingerprints, on the washer and dryer, controls…??? And, in a minute, she went to the kitchen, grabbed a knife, and, hurried, in the minute, why, because, he was leaving ???
Edgrrrr….By the time the police found the rental car, it had been washed and cleaned inside and out and all the floor mats were missing.
Her fingerprints were on the washer and dryer, as well as a smidgen of blood on the front of the washing machine. The dish washer and many other things had her finger prints, too, but was explained because she had been there many, many times.
The knife was already in the bedroom or bathroom…the rope, remember?
I’m sure she would have washed off the hand print on the wall if she had seen it. I did not hear the print had been examined for gunpowder particles. However, is she had not yet shot TA that explains no gun powder particles from the bloody hand print on the wall which also bolsters the case that TA was shot last.
Also my understanding was the gun casing landed on top of coagulated blood but the blood was dried by the time the police were called.
JA told police she had no shoes at the house…that she had left them in her car.
And perhaps in her haste to get away, she could not find the camera because in her panic she’d put it in the washing machine.
She did drive away to Utah to meet up with Ryan Burns.
Initially I believed Jodi stabbed him in the shower first. I’ve since changed my mind. If I was a juror, I’d be insanely curious to know what happened when (as I am now), but the evidence of pre-meditation is so strong, it wouldn’t be a primary issue for me.
See I think this becomes important in sentencing. Was he alive when she nearly decapitated him? When he was shot in the face? Did she stab or shot him after death? Goes to aggravation circumstances, no?
This is a good point. I wasn’t considering sentencing, just guilty/not guilty of 1st degree murder. I remember Judge Stephens shot down a defense motion about cruelty in the indictment’s first charge of 1st degree murder because she thought cruelty was involved whether Travis was shot first or stabbed first. I agree with that assessment because of the overkill. Once she started, she wasn’t going to stop. She was determined to kill him no matter what it took.
I agree with you, I don’t care which one came first, M1 IMO, she went there to kill him, with an opportunity to live if he changed his mind about Cancun. I wish Mr. Martinez would throw out both scenarios during his close, so that one juror doesn’t get hung up on it. And I think it will be LWOP, but you never know! Her lies are so bad and blatant.
Nah… read “The God Makers,” for the precision kill, to save his eternal soul; as agreed upon by the sacred blood oath, blood atonement. Separation between church and state,… the state commits murder, and, you think the church, does not ? Then there’s the murder of barely born babies, kevorkians, assisting suicide, hospices, wielding death needles, doctors sworn to first, do no harm, pulling the plug… so when is a murder not even a murder, but, according to doctrine [law ], and, covenant [ contract ], a sacred and agreed ritual, to save an eternal soul ??? Read the dictates of Brigham Young,.. ” Is there a man among us who would not kill his brother, to save his eternal soul…” Read of the exacting parallels between, Anderson, and, Alexander, and, then try to believe there was no ritual involvement in the heart plunge, ear to ear throat slice, blood letting, blood atonement…
Nah, no premeditation,or, crime at all… carrying cans of gasoline, from California, with all that premeditation, why didn’t she just burn the place down, with him in it ??? And, a gun, with one bullet in it; now that’s a siege, worthy of, any moron…
This looks like a long going conversation but my opinion to your question…why not use the gasoline and burn the place down? She needed the gas to get out of Arizona without stopping any where along the way.
BTW, there is only one that can save the eternal soul and you haven’t mentioned Him here.
Why, with no evidence but ashes, would she even be proven to be a suspect; as if, the motivational guru, hadn’t, had, a long line of groupies; none, of course, with seething jealousy, over Jodi, just waltzing in and, taking over… What better punishment, could Jodi have done, than for the ice cube routine Cancun trip, with the new, tiara, in waiting… and, waiting… and, waiting, while, Travis, was degenerating his goody two shoes, devoutness; with, Jodi; and, would have been used up, before all the begging and pleading to get whatever he got from any one of the three he was doing at, the same period; whatwith, all the lying and conniving… Then there’s the bishop, one of them, ratted, Travis, out, to…who’s concealing, that, suspects’ identity……??? As for BTW…???… eternal souls require, eternity, and, that’s only for those who show that they have a soul; not, for sale by quasireligionists, who claim to control the sale of it…and, you haven’t mentioned Him, there…and,there are no gas stations, between Arizona, and, Utah…???
I’m speaking of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the world. The One who died for the sins of the world.
I think you should be one of her defense attorneys, Longenecker, as you seem to see Jodi in the same pair of rose tinted glasses. Yes, I’m sure there are gas stations in Arizona but stopping at one would have messed up her ‘plan’! BTW, why do you suppose, Arias, smarter than Einstein, saved all those gas receipts??
Terri, yes I agree, I do think the gun shot came first because it was not fatal (and I since changed my mind too…and the gas cans were to hide the fact she was in Mesa, just like turning her phone off, dying her hair, white car and flipping the license plate and leaving the front one off…and altough I strongly believe premeditation, and it matters not…the overkill is what does it for me. She admitted to this so I think they will say guilty…they will just have to decide 1st, death or life without parole.
She’s admitted nothing, except, pandering to the lost cause of, lizards at law, misrepresentations, proving to her the futility, of being not guilty, in a State full of, lynch mobsters, bickering over who gets to bring their rope to the lynching…
“The one who died for the sins of the world;” surely, was never meant to be a blank check, for, everybody, who “believes, ” to keep on keeping on, because, they, “believe,” and, to, approve their own blood oath, blood atonement, murders, which, are not, murders, but, are, solemn church, rituals, as agreed to by those who think they’re so devout, while, setting themselves up for their ascenscion to planet playboy, and, all those virgins…Does that, really, compute, for the “Come, let us, reason, together,” crowd; blaming, their imaginary, devil, and, while, “the one who died for our sins,” was ,questioning, God herself, as to “Why, have you, forsaken, me,” as if, A.D. now, the sacrifice, was consentual; not, unlike a blood oath, blood atonement, ritual….??? Was, such a sacrifice, then, not a murder, at all, but, a solemn, eternal, soul saving, ritual ??? Will the conniving bishop, handling, Travis’s excuses, for such rank behavior, come forward, to save Jodi, from the govern mentals, sacrificing her for LSD votes, or, will, women, continue to be vilified by self haloed evildoers; without a whimper…??? Edgrrr…
And, with such concern for anonymity, she removed her front license plate, and, turned the rear one upside down….. Duh….. Edgrrr…
She was a mere, victim, Ed. 🙁
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 12:14 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Premeditation was irrelevant, because, premeditation is not what she did… Forensics proves she never fired a gun;in which, the defense in settingt her up, by, trying, in contradiction to the States’ own evidence, to prove, not, disprove, premeditation…
Did you really say “she did not shoot him? How do you account for the bullet in his lower left jaw and the casing on the floor?
AHHH SSSO, GRASSHOPPER…. THE BULLET IN THE JAW… PROVES TO YOU, THAT, SHE DID IT ??? THE BLOOD AND BRASS, SPEAKS, LOUDER THAN THAT… THE BLOOD WAS DRY, WHAN THE BULLET WAS FIRED. HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR THAT, IF, NOT, BECAUSE THE “LET’S SET, jODI, UP,” SOAP OPERA, BEGAN,; “DEFENSIVE CUTS,” STABBINGS, AND, A GUNSHOT TO THE HEAD; NONE OF WHICH, BLED, BECAUSE THE ACTUAL KILLING, SHUT DOWN THE HEART, FOUR DAYS, AGO…AND, WITHOUT A HEART, YOU DON’T BLEED… tHE BRASS ON TOP OF ALREADY FOUR DAY OLD, DRY BLOOD, VERIFIES, THE SETUP…PROVEN, BY THE BRASS SHELL, LANDING ON TOP OF DRIED BLOOD, WITHOUT A SMEAR OF BLOOD ON IT. HOW, DO YOU POUR BLOOD ON TOP OF AN ALREADY FIRED SHELL, AND, COVER THE FLOOR, UNDERNEATH THE SHELL, AND, NONE, ON TOP…??? WHY, WOULD SHE DO THE PRECISION KILL, AND, SIT, FOR FOUR DAYS, WHEN, SHE COULD HAVE DRIVEN AWAY…???
You have interesting observations and questions that don’t lend themselves to actual facts in this case. And I’m sure if you asked Jodi why she didn’t just pack up and leave the country she’d tell you she had no money to do so. And, being smarter than Einstein she thought she had all angles figured out. I’m pretty sure she did not expect TA to fight back, to get blood all over the place or to slit his throat on the carpet where she would not be able to clean it up.
Edgar, she admitted to shooting him and coming out of “the fog” with blood all over her hands. Are you disputing that as well? In reviewing the history of this case and JA’s testimony I seriously doubt she would be holding back any information if another person was at the crime scene when she killed Travis. She would have thrown that person under the proverbial bus in a heart beat.
Kim, I agree with you. If JA would have had an accomplice she would have squealed like the proverbial pig.
PANDERING TO WHAT THE LIZARDS AT LAW, WANT TO HEAR, TO SAVE YOUR LIFE, HAS FILLED OUR PRISONS WITH INNOCENT VICTIMS, OF ORGANIZED CRIME, AT LAW… SHE’S EXPLAINED THE TWO, IN SKI MASKS, BUT, OF COURSE, THAT’S NOT WHAT YOU PREJUDICIALISTS, WANT TO HEAR, IS IT ??? THEN THERE’S THE BOOTPRINT, IN THE PARTIALLY DRIED BLOOD, IN FACT, PROVING, SOMEONE ELSE WAS THERE…WHO WALKED INTO, NOT ON, PARTIALLY DRIED BLOOD; AT LEAST, AN ACCESSORY AFTER THE FACT, OR THE KILLER HIMSELF, AS EVIDENCED, BECAUSE, NO ONE CALLED THE POLICE, WHEN THE BLOOD, THE NEXT DAY, WAS STILL WET, AND, HAD THREE MORE DAYS FOR THE BLOOD TO DRY, TO LEAVE NO FOOTPRINT, AND, HAVE NO WET BLOOD WITH WHICH TO SMUDGE THE BOUNCING SHELL, AS IT CAME TO REST UPON, NOT, INTO, THE BLOOD, WHICH, AFTER THE FOOTPRINT, ACCESSORY TO THE CRIME, WALKED UPON WET BLOOD… WHY, WEREN’T THE POLICE THEN, CALLED, IF NOT, TO GET THE KILLER OFF THE HOOK, BY SETTING jODI, UP FOR IT ??? AND, WHY, AFTER SUCH A PRECISION KILL, WOULD IT TAKE FOUR DAYS OF CONTEMPLATION FOR JODI, TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT LOOK, LIKE, SHE DID IT, AS OPPOSED TO DRIVING AWAY, AND, OR, TORCHING THE EVIDENCE, SHE, SO CLEVERLY STAGED TO PROVE SHE DID IT…??? AND, WHY, BEING SO PREMEDITATING, WOULDN’T SHE ZIGZAG HER TRIP, OFF THE STRAIGHT PATH, SO AS TO BUY FUEL, WHERE NO ONE WOULD LOOK ??? REFUTE THE BLOOD AND BULLET BRASS FACTS, AS TO, WHY, ALL THESE FACTS AND, REASONABLE DOUBTS, HAVE BEEN CONCEALED FROM THE JURY…???
No it isn’t; any more than the seesaw of consciousness, as to this or that opinions; which just show to go ya, that, such oppositions, prove, only one thing; reasonable doubt….It’s no more necessary for us to conclude anything than for Jodi, to solve what the prostitutor is concealing…. There were as of years ago, eleven, gunshot, home invasion robberies, in, Mesa while, Jodi, was locked up, and, she couldn’t have done them, either… How many of those, were .25 caliber bullets, and, how many were out of the same pistol, Jodi, is accused of, and, disproven and concealed by the collusions of the three stooges…??? Edgrrr…
Sir Dramamine Spazalot, then, is a description of the penguin in a tutus carnival hypnotricks, lull, into a spastic side show, to coma toast, the jury… and, the description will long outlive this soap opera… Edgar…
Cripple that and walk it by me slow????
Cripple…? You mean, Triple… Spaz, is strobing his hypnotrick, comatoast act, shucking and jiving, his, whirling dervish act, spazifying everybody who watches his strobe act, jerking and twitching, to, deliberately nauseate. Two have already called in, sick… eleven to go…
I certainly enjoy watching Martinez shuck and jive. Maybe the defense attorneys should have hired a hypnotist to help them out.
huh?
As you can see… these discussions prove, reasonable doubt… and, that’s why the spazster, is concealing them; ditto, the socalled deferse lieyers…
A motion against the hypnonauseating spaz act, should castrate the prostitutor, as this carnival act, is how he spaz’s juries into convictions; despite the evidence; which in this noncase, he’s already, confessed to, by reversal of format… and, no new arrest for the new allegations, or, a dismissal of what he has rescinded; that the Spaz, was the moving party fior the three stooges, all, parrotting in unison, con, number one, and, now in Gestapo lockstep, con, number two…. with, impunity, of prosecution for motating these perjuries of process before a braindead judge… Edgrrr…
These conjectures; pro and con,prove a 50 / 50 interpretation of the facts in contention, proving, all that needs to be proven; reasonable doubt; not, a vote as to how many pros against cons, you add up. Just one, reasonable doubt, meeting the intelligence of,just one juror, pretty much fed up with the pirouetting troll, carnival act, of, Sir Dramamine Spazalot, impugning the intelligence of all the jurors, with his disingenuous, spastic act, he, is trying to, tapdance, to, comatoast, the judge, jury, defendant, lieyers, witnesses, experts, and, anybody else being hypnotricked, by his Charlie Chaplin, strobe act…and, at least one juror, will, unwind this, Alice in Wonderland, soap opera., or the appellate court, will…… Why, have not one of these, pro and con discussions, been put before the jury, when at worst case scenario, every argument, comprises,reasonable doubt ??? There have been dozens, in the past four years; all, concealed from the “process.” as the spaz, has unilaterally, adjudicated, what exculpatory evidence he’ll share with the defense…. ??? Every entry, is time and date stamped, proving what the socalled defense lieyer, said; “I don’t have time to reade the internet, ” for proof of reasonable doubt… Then there’s the lieyers conspiratorial side bar, denials of due process, and, culling the jurors questions, beyond the court recorders record, for, appellate review…in contempt of their own court…and, without any agreement, by the defendant, with the right to aid in her own defense… Edgrrr…
Do notice that, reasonable doubt, as in A, as in one, is all the law, requires, for the wrongly accused, swindled, by the lizards at law, mob, to walk, after this interstate kidnapping, under color of law.; illegally punitive, two million dollars, ransom demand, and, nearly five years of Freddy Kruger, 42 cents per day “subsistence.” No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, money, or, property, without due process, of, law; not at law, by theses lizards at law; reptillion illiterati, and, their egomaniacal, “all rise,” toadies of organized crime at law… Alice in Wonderland, soap opera…. Then, of course, there’s the pie in the sky, death penalty, serious, charge, to justify, the two million dollars ransom, and, the two million dollars ransom, to, validate the pie in the sky, charge… Does anybody else get this ten million dollar civil rights lawsuit, in the making ??? Could damage control, be at work, with over a million dollars bribe to the socalled defense lieyers, to throw the fight, and, get the crooked State, off the hook…??? Conspiring, with a penguin in a tutu, gyrating all over his command performance, hypnotricking, nauseating, carnival, side show, hardly, constitutes, competent and effective, legal representation, when, all that, socalled salary, if, disclosed, will put in jeopardy, the lieyer / client “relationship.” Yeah, no doubt; Jodi, will see why all these lieyers, have set her up, to, act out, all their “legal advice,” stories, manipulated, to make her, credibility, as bad as that, of all these lizards at law; each, sleazing their part… Edgrrr…
…….”Initially, I believed, [with the same fervor as,] now, that, I believe the opposite”… seems to be the modus operandi, of the lynch mob, when even their name callings, can’t obscure, reasonable doubt. These vascillations, simply prove reasonable doubt, when a coin toss is required for you to choose, what, you believe…. Beyond, a reasonable doubt, proves that, torturing victims of these lizards, with, incomprehensible, imprisonment, without conviction of any crime, is, just another obstruction of justice, in these toadies at law, bag of tricks; to, grow evidence, by passing “get out of jail, free,” cards, for, aiding and abetting these reptiles… Who’d have thought that a mere, girl, had enough principles to stand up for her rights…??? And, without, one Mormon Stepford Wife, coming to her aid., and, not one Mormon, lizard at law….and, not one penny, from one of 14 million socalled, latterday saints…. and, all the while, a bishop, is concealing the name of the complainant, who ratted Travis out, for his perversities… no doubt upon confrontation, led Travis to believe, Jodi, ratted him out; and, comes the dawn, that’s what the pictures are for; to prove to the church that like thousands of other wolves in sheeps’ clothing, Travis, was just a mere mortal, and, not an LSD latterday saint, after all…. Of course, the bishop, will hide behind privilege, to not name the complainant; which might lead to the actual killer… Edgrrr…
Gads, sorry I have to leave this blog, because of the posts by one person. It is so riduculous and such a waste of good blog space. 🙁
Bye bye ! We’re an open minded board that allows all kinds of opinions.
Plus… This shit is entertaining as heck!
Pfffttt… Thank you for my amusement value; at least you’re getting something out of this farcical soap opera… How, great it’s going to be to watch her, walk out of prison, when it is exposed that the jury, decided, nothing; because, the facts, were concealed from them… Edgrrr…
Do note, Donnas’ concealed swastika… surely a sign of rectal brain malfunction, siding with the gestapo, and, not having enough sense,to see, that, the gestapo has morphed into, organized crime at law… the enemy of us all… Edgrrr…
Has reasonable doubt, now, pacified, another batch of lynch mobsters,as they crawl back under their shrooms; no doubt looking for those gold plates, and, the angel, Moroni; strategically, so named, to rub it in as to what the Ayatollas, think, of, I, moron…their subliminal, to, blatant, contempt, for their sheeple… How many Andersons and Alexanders, blood oaths, have there been, from Brigham Youngs’ lies, that God, told him to kill; out of lovr, of course, for someones’ eternal soul; leaving out the part, that he needed the victims,’ wife and, daughters; 84 wives, was the count… some, married to the men, sent out to murder the men of wagon trains, to abduct their women, murder the settlers, and, steal their land, and, goods; while the potentates, connived their revelations, molested their women, and, salivated, while waiting for a new batch to arrive……. Now, … Read “The God Makers,” written by those on the inside…
Okay, dude, take your meds….in case I need to repeat, GET BACK ON YOUR MEDS!!!
And, if, I take the meds, you prescribe, will I be as dogmatic as you ??? As for, leaving the site, because, your mind; such as it is; is made up, and, the actual evidence, is irrelevant to you… to that, I say…. watch out for the door….. And, the question, as to whether or not, the blood was tested, for gunpowder particulates…. you mean, the blood that the magic tweezers, separated, his and hers, blood molecules, from, where, non existant, gunpowder particulates, were ignored, because, there weren’t any, when, gunpowder particulates, would have proved, the mouse, overpowered the rhino… Are you, serious; to, take your toys and, slink away, or, think I need meds, because you do; and, because partyline propaganda, is getting trounced by the actual facts of this non case against a 130 pound girl, who forensics proves, did not, fire a gun, so as to mitigate the difference, against a 200 plus pound, wrestler, fighter, weightlifting, body builder, fighting for his life…against a 130 pound girl…??? Now, what part of reasonable doubt, that is being concealed from the jury, as well as the million dollars plus, bribing, the socalled defense, lizards at law,,escapes your brainwaves…??? What, can’t youse guys, wrap your semiconscioness, around, that, causes meds, to be mentioned, and, to promise to leave because of one persons’ notices of your own prejudicial, issues…??? Edgrrrr
I think, Longenecker, that JA might be upset if she knew you said she weighed 130 pounds!! Yes, very upset indeed!
I feel the same way, Edgrrr! Why can’t you wrap your mind around the facts of this case? Why do all the facts escape your brainwaves?
Whut are you, men or mice; squeek up…. Facts are being hidden in your Arias Bias… Argue them, if, you have any…. Edgrrr…
Now Edgrrrr, you know the mice are not allowed to play with you. It’s why I keep you down here all to myself!
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:51 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Oh Edgar… Just so you know, I read all of your posts. Tell the people who don’t like them to fuck off, and call you my pet in the basement. Do you, man. Do you. 🙂
Where have you been, Tamara beacon of light… ??? Edgrrr…
I’ve been waiting for you!
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 2:23 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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Rose…. is suggesting that there’s a discernible time period, between coagulated blood, and, dried blood, NO FOOLING… That, disestablishes, whatever facts, she’s trying to prove, because, that still proves the time lapse between the actual killing, and, the, “let’s set, Jodi, up, for this,” soap opera…. days, later, when, the blood was busy; transitioning, as she says, from, coagulation, to dry; leaving, wet, to coagulation, a lesser, but, still, time gap, from kill, to Jodi, setup,time… …and, that, the bullet brass, landed at that precise time, before, the blood was dried, because, she says, the blood was only coagulated, and, not dried until after the police, arrived…so,the police, sat there, watching the blood dry; “after the police arrived,” she says… Did the prima donnas, bring their hair dryers…???.. Nah,,, if, coagulating, the brass would have sustained, a smear of blood, in such case; coagulating, meaning, tacky, sticky, part wet; as when the killer, or, accomplice, left the shoeprint, proving bthat, Jodi, wasn’t the only one, there, and, proving that she wasn’t necessarily, the killer; and, in point of fact, between the man, on the other end of the shoe, as compared to mighty mouse, guess, which one was more likely, to be able to trounce, Travis, and, nearly, decapitate, him…. Chalk up another reasonable doubt… By some esp, , as, Rose, says, “the bullet brass landed upon, coagulated blood, and, that, the, blood, was dried by the time, or, after, the police, got there… Sorry, Rose…. the fact is, the blood was also dried, when the gunshot was fired, as evidenced, exactly, by the fact, it was dried by the time the police, got there… four days, after the actual killing… leaving, wet, to, coagulated, up to four days after the killing, and up to, the temperature, necessary, for the drying time required; four days; ; better explained, to a jury;as in, not concealed, by all these cohorts of the court…Roses’ unsustainable and, precision analyses, is inconsistent with the fact that, the lack of a blood smear, on the shell, or, the fact that the shell, was not, stuck into the coagulating blood, disproves the splitting hairs, of coagulation, to, the time element of being dried… ie., when is coagulation over, and, dried, defined; if not when the careening brass, bounces onto, not, into, a dried island of blood, and, doesn’t leave a mark, in the blood, and, the blood, does not, leave a smear, upon the brass, and, neither, sticks to the other… That’s a whole lot, more scientific, as proven, than some speculation that, the bullet was fired, and the brass landed upon, coagulated, blood; negating the protests, because, coagulated,or, dried, proves, a time lapse, from the blood of a fresh kill, to a period of coagulated blood, of , some interval, until, the blood was all dried… therefore, proving, the latterday, soap opera, occurred, exactly, as proven by blood and brass, forensics, to set, Jodi, up for the precision kill, by the feeble. pecking away, and, four days later, gunshot, wherein, coagulated, to, dried, proves the same thing, that, there were separate crimes, in this soap opera…as proven by how the spastic, carnival trickster, has to conceal the dozens of arguments, proving, reasonable doubts, from the jury, to tell those the’ve connived into hypnotic, comas, it takes blood to transition, from, fresh, to coagulation, to dried… blood… This is why, there are forensics, scientists, to, force, conniving lizards at law, to stick to the script, and, stop substituting, concealments of exculpatory evidence, and, twisting, evidence, for, into, evidence, against; and, sleazing, extortionary, plea “bargains,” to fill, our prisons, with innocent people…
Okay, Mr. Longenecker, I really am trying to understand your comments and run-on sentences. What I understand, other than that I am wrong, is that you believe JA is innocent and was set up and the blood was dry before the bullet landed on it because the gun was shot days later. And that innocent people are in prison? Do I have that correct?
Are you privy to information no one else on this blog has? What evidence do you have that makes you believe the gun was shot days later?
Gunshot, later…??? You already, negated, your own, contradiction, and, unlike the prostitutor, you can’t have it both ways…. The blood was as you claimed, partially, coagulated; as, I said, partially dried; a glass half full;, or, a glass, half, empty… Do you really have a question; besides, noting, my, run on sentences…other than, the answered questions, you, haven’t bothered, to explain… You see, the burden of, proof, requires, :beyond, a reasonable doubt… ” Where’s yours…??? Edgrrr…
Thanks, Tamara, for backing up the rule of law… we damned sure, can’t expect, those “defense,” conspirators, to, while, taking their million dollars, plus, bribes, to throw the tepid, fight, they’ve tippytoed, through the tulips, to… emulating, Sir Dramamine Spazalot, putting on his hypnotricking, carnival, act, shucking, and, jiving, simpleminded, spastic, side show; looking like a penguin in a tutu, pirouetting his ballerina, whirling dervish act, to nauseate, and, lull anybody watching his blatant contempt, to, supplant facts to exonerate, into, hypnotics, to conceal; so as to sleight of mind, comatoast, the jury, into, his own coma… Referencing, basement… I’m in the dungeon, of third grade Nobel laureate, rejects; speaking English, to those who only, understand, what brainwashing, they learned, in the pubic education charade…that, higher education, only works, if, you’re high… Thanks to you, Tamara; some of us will, prove that, first to last, we kill all the lieyers… Thank you for printing, the due process, rights, that, belong to us all…
“Playing the devils’ advocate ?” No, I never went to law school… The devils, sit on their lofty perches,demanding to be revered, as, “Your Honors;” while all they’re capable of doing,is, twisting the law, to fit their delusions… Edgrrr… Rose, spell my name right, or, I might be sore… Tamara, are you locking me in your basement…???
Sorry Edgar Longenecker. I did not mean to spell your name wrong. I surely would not want you to be sore! Or perhaps I should say sorer, is that a word? Or perhaps I should say angrier as you do seem so angry in most of the comments your write.
Oh, and if you want, you can spell mine wrong sometimes…just to even the score!
Rose… the problem with judgement calls; left, right, happy, unhappy, stupid, smart, etcetera, requires, interpretation, and, the delusion that there’s some, norm, from which the labels begin. left, might be to your right, etc., anger, is perceived, by wimps,if you say, boo… happiness, is walking off, death row, with a hundred million of reparations money, for, wrongful, conviction,because your lieyers took a million plus, bribe… I don’t ever remember, being angry… getting even, is much more productive… I just don’t get sore, when, I can be snide…, I would, if,I thought that wouldn’t impede, getting even…Edgrrr…
I think the word you left out was sarcastic!
Rrrrrose
Sarcasm is required , trying to soar with eagles, while dealing with, turkeys…. Edgrrr…
The fly in your pudding, is being worked backwards; from Arias Bias, and, the delusion that she’s guilty, because, 9 out of 10, nonthinkers, feel that way; probably, the same percentages, as Hitler, polled… Just pretend, that, she’s innocent,and, work this soap opera, in accordance with the facts, and, you’ll get a more realistic, perspective… It would have been much more, diabolical, to sneak out, with the pictures, while Travis, was in the shower, and,expose his Jekyl and, Hyde, antics, by, passing around, the pictures; with no risk to, herself… Read, “The God Makers,” for, the fourteen million, other, more likely, suspects… Jodi, had no reason, to do, any of it. The pictures, prove the nature of their, relationship. She, got,what, when, where, and, how much, and, Travis,sniveled as to who, stalked whom. “I’m just a dildo, to you, with a heart;” does that sound like she was stalking, him; boo hoo; the guru, found one, he couldn’t tame… Where’s the motive…???
Edgrrr, you have two flies in your pudding. The first is the book you have read and the second is not having the capability to think like a woman! JA did NOT get everything she wanted from TA. She wanted it all…the ring on her finger, [did you know she stole the engagement ring he’d bought for another woman?], the white picket fence, kids…or a facsimile of all that. The problem was, in TA’s way of thinking, [told to his friends] she was not marriage material and he had to break up with her. He was looking for someone to marry and that was not JA! Oh yeah, she had every reason in the world, in her way of thinking, to kill TA. Her motive…if she couldn’t have him, no other woman was going to have him.
Sure, she could have exposed him to his friends, his church, the world but TA’s real friends would still have stuck with him. I doubt he would have lost his job. And, as far as the church, according to his ex-girlfriend, Lisa, also a Mormon, TA would have lost face, lost his privilege as a priesthood holder and gone to the bishop to confess. He would not have been thrown out of the church. BUT, his life would have gone on AND one day he would marry…just not her!!
What does sound like stalking to me is her following him on dates, following him to meetings when she was no longer a part of PPL, asking friends about him when they were longer dating, slashing his tires, not once but twice, slashing the tires of a girlfriend when he was at the girlfriend’s house, sneaking into his house through the doggy door, stealing the engagement ring I mentioned above, coming to his house unannounced/uninvited when he was having gatherings, hiding behind a Christmas tree to spy on him…there could be more but that’s all I know about. Still think she was not stalking him??
I’ll tell you something, Edgar, when I first heard about this crime, my first thought was ”What in the world did this guy do to her?” And I kept waiting to hear the horrible things he’d done to her. That’s how I got interested in this case and in this trial. She is NOT the victim of anything but jealousy and her own rage.
Travis’s friends… you mean all those office clowns who posed with that haha we just got away with, murder, sardonic, smirk; every one of them, in unison; as good an indictment as need be… Travis’s friends, who knew Jodi , the wicked witch of vthe west, was getting her cauldron stirred, by super stud; scared to death of her; and, for five days, not one of them, went to see if the black widow, had eaten him… Travis’s friends; one of which, stabbed him in the heart, and, slit his throat, ear to ear… You sheeple are simpleminded, if, you can’t get passed this soap opera… Edgrrr…
His real friends, stuck him, all right; knowing the wicked witch of the west was getting her cauldron stirred by the ghost of Bringem Young… and, for five days, not one of all who feared her, came to his rescue; no doubt because he was feeling no pain, until, he pissed off the boyfriend who, cancelled his ticket…. as if, overpowering Travis, without shooting him first, was a mans,’ job… as was, nearly cutting off his head; that, would be personal…. Edgrrr…
Where is it written, that, the formula for burning the evidence, requires three cans of gasoline, to evade, stopping at, gas stations…??? One can, and, two left, to get out of there… 130 pounds, then, and, 120 now, or, less…. I notice that the evasions of the concealed, States’ own proofs, of her innocense, are getting, lamer, by the minute… As for you, Rose; spare me the echo, of my words; read the evidence; find some logic, and, stop whining, that, I’m telling it as it is, and, that, is, an affront to your brainwaves; or, that you just don’t care about the evidence; Sir Dramamine Spazalots’ hypnotricking, works for you. No doubt you voted for O’BaaaMaaa, the bleating heart Sheeples’ messiah, with the cutesy, abbreviated word endings,and, a curtsy, after, every, canned; written for him, speech… you must be deluding, that she shot him, first,and, the brass shell, hovered, for four days, until the blood, dried, before, landing, upon dried blood… If, the gunshot was first, the pouring blood, would have been on top of the shell. Significance, being, that, to see the mouse, whip the rhino, is just plain, delusionary; unless, she shot him first; which, forensics’ proves she never fired a gun, so, she is innocent…of the first crime…. and, obviously, also, of the second crime to make it look like she did it, four days after the precision, blood atonement ritual sacrifice… Does it really need to be written in grade school primers, for, tou to understand, or do you think you’re being cute, by pretending not to see the light…??? Oh look, there’s Spot… see Spot… see Spot, run… Edgar’s the name, “Mr” is for those who require, a title… not, those who work for a living… Edgrrr…
Now, Edgar, you know full well that one cannot prove someone hasn’t shot a gun…
“You can’t prove that someone has not, fired a gun; ” absolutes, aside, at the time claimed, to make a claim of premeditation, credible; as in, the gunshot, was four days later, than the kill, as evidenced by the brass ejected shell landing upon already dried blood. Needing for you to get it spelled out to you, why, would she sit there with a dead body, for four days, contemplating, how to morph, such a precision kill, into a haphazard stabfest, and, final, gunshot, to set herself up for, what , she could have just, driven away, and, not get caught at…??? Yet, she sat there, while the room mates, came and went, for four days…??? Only, in Alice in Wonderland…. and, in, your dreams… Edgrrr…
Edgrrrr….may I call you that? It is so appropriate, you know!
No, Edgrrrr, I did not vote for Obama! I even had signs in my yard for Romney!
Now, what evidence do you have that you keep spouting about? So far, all I have heard from you is talk, double talk at that! The same thing over and over about the bullet and dried blood! I’m pretty sure there is no evidence whatsoever, any where that would make you change your mind about the bullet. Would you think it was planted by a corrupt cop or a detective that was hiding the truth or a lying lieyer, to borrow one of your words, if you don’t mind! And when did you say the gun was shot, Edgrrr…1, 2, 3 or 4 days later?
And, surely you do not buy your own nonsense about JA never having shot a gun. How would you know that? Because she said it? LOL Because there was no forensics evidence in her bloody handprint on the wall? You have got to give that one up! My 14 year old g’son figured that one out!
It’s funny that you should say that I am whining. I told my daughter last night, who is also interest in this trial, about a person that keeps whining and whining about JA’s innocence on this new blog! She asked what you whined about so I let her read a couple of your comments.
Rrrrrrose
Spelling it out for all the kindergartners… No gunpowder Particulates, in the combined blood, handprint, proves, that she never fired a gun…THEN….Preceeding, During, or, After, … the bloody handprint… Because, if she had… There would be gunpowder, in the blood, pouring from the wound…And, carbon particles… From the wound… In the blood…. and, stippling / spatterings, of blasted spots, around the wound, into, the bloodd, preceeding, the blood, landing upon ALREADY DRIED BLOOD…There… weren’t any, particles… Proving that… he was not, shot, first… nor, was she… hiding any… Gunpowder particulates… From, the forensics dudes… BECAUSE… the handprint, had no particles in it…AND… how many days… at, room temperature… Does it take… For,… Blood … To… Dry… Proving, … That… Drying time,…Duration…as… Proof… of… Two… Crimes… Not… One…. Is, this not, spelled out… Enough, for, Rose… and, … Others,… who… Choose… to… Ignore… Forensics… Proof… that… SHE… did not fire a gun… Then… Before … During… or… After… the Precision…. Kill… and… Therefore… Did Not….. Overpower, your Mouse, Whips, the Rhino… Soap… Opera… And, “you can’t prove someone hasn’t shot a gun”…. double negative… but, you can prove they, did, by the incontrovertible, particulates, in the combined blood analysis; being concealed from the jury…… if, there were any… and, surely, the magic tweezers, that, could separate his and hers, blood molecules, would not permit, ignoring, such proof, that, she fired a gun; THEN, before, the torrent of blood, as pictured, on the floor, would, pour down upon the Previously, Fired, bullet casing, which was laying, UPON, the, dried blood…NOT,on top of it, but, under the brass; obviously, proving that, you put the sheets on the bed, then the blankets; so, how do the sheets, crawl out, from underneath, thye blankets; ditto, how did the bullet, fired first, crawl, out from under the blood, and, not even get wet, from, what; all that, dried blood, that, what; took days, as in four, to dry. ?.. Now, let’s hear the lame excuse that, there’s no proof, that, four days, drying time, is a fact; while ignoring that the blood, had to take, days, to dry; another conjecture, for, the forensics, dudettes, being concealed by Sir Dramamine Spazalot, from the jury…… Nitpicking, the duration, probability, as to how many days it took for the blood to dry, enough, to be unable to wet the brass, that, fell onto the blood island, which, was no longer, a puddle, is another feeble attempt to ignore the States’ own forensics’ proof of her innocense… BECAUSE… the mouse, could not, derail the freight train, unless… she shot him, first; which, the science team, proves, she, didn’t do….THEN… Rose…… To, those of you, who need input from your children… go for it,…… and, if this is such a slam dunk, for Sir Dramamine Spazalot, to nauseate, with his hypno carnival, pirouetting, ballet, act, then, why do these lizards at law, all, conspire to, conceal proof, of her innocense, from the authority, of the jury…??? And, what in the world is a million dollars, plus, lawful payment, for such a simpleminded, soap opera, defense, performance; if, not, that the money, is a bribe, to get the Twilight zone, State, off the hook, for this rush to judgement..? There have been eleven, home invasion robberies, wherein bullets were fired, since, Jodi, was locked up. She, obviously, didn’t do them, either… and, how many, were .25 caliber bullets; fired from the same gun, she supposedly stole, from, her grandfather…??? Edgrrr… If, any of this, is too deep, for those of you, who choose to enjoy, your Arias Bias… do have your children, explain it to you… And, why aren’t the forensics people, testifying, as to the veracity, of their own investigation, and, or, lack, of it…???
Why so much sarcasm, Edgrrr? Because no one believes what you do? You keep harping on the same thing but you have not shown one iota of anything but conjecture. Why do you belittle those who think differently from you?
BTW, I preferred being a ballerina to a kindergartener but I suppose I could be both!
Why so much sarcasm, because morons, try to make the facts disappear, or, they’ll take their toys and, go home…This soap opera, is predicated upon morons, idolizing a rocks in his head, star, signing autographs, by, a major chunk of ham. It is about a lieyer run cesspool of illiterate, lizards at law, getting bribed to end this dogshit of a trial. It’s about, a soap opera, scamming over the rule of law. It’s about, the fraudulence of the charges, and two million dollars, ransom, after interstate kidnapping, for evidence now found to have been a fraud. It’s about, two simpleminded governors, signing, extradition papers, while, denying an accused, the right to have a lizard at law, present, at all stages of the proceedings. It’s about, the judge, who witnessed extradition papers served, two weeks late, to an accused, and, sucking up to the system, by adjudicating, “we have enough;” [information to identify her as being Arizonas’ victim of choice ]…making himself, an illegal party to the action;to then order that Arizona had ten days to come and get her; not, on the thirteenth day, when they got around to it. It’s about, the brain dead judge, not saying, she has a right to refute the claimed charges, to, fight extradition; which of course, her lizard at law, did not do, and, Arizona, will claim, that’s why they waited, past the ten day window, as per the court ruling…to let her lieyer, exercise her due process. We see how well that, worked out….It’s about, morons, too stupid to seev that if evidense is meaningless, that so are we all. It’s about lizards at law, sleazing form over function, fantasy, over fact. It’scabout, another psychrapist, mentsally masturbating, in contempt of a jury, and, passing around, smut, while jacking around his staged perversions. Try doing that out in public, and, he’ll get whipped severely about the head and shoulders… It’s about, premeditation, disproven, by the evidence; the gasoline premeditatively, driven twenty hours, then not used to smoke him. It’s about,she shot him, to equal his advantage, and, forensics finding no gunpowder particulates, in the combined blood, handprint, proving that she never, that day, or any day, prior to the ritual killing; sacred heart plunge, ear to ear, throat slice, fired a gun. it’s about, the defense, contradicting the evidence to claim she shot him, first; proving, not, disproving, premeditation, despite proof, she never fired a gun… It’s about titillating the jury, by the shameless, prosecutorial parasite, lying with every accusation, and, not being under oath… It’s about,the hypnotrick carnival side show, bouncing and spazzing all over Sir Spazalots,’ stage, lulling the jury into his coma… It’s about, letting jurors do the lizards job for him, and, having these lizards at law, cull to conceal, the jurors inquiries, to scam the direction, these reptiles want it to go… It’s about how devoid of common sense, the Sheeple are, to be licking the boots of the gestapo, too frightened to nail whom, they must know by now, did it… It’s about a bishop, concealing, the socalled symbolic ritual, which has been literal, for a century, without taking responsibility for, the churchs’ share of the blame, when their doctrine and, covenant, has been acted out, to the letter… It’s about, the thousands of lizards at law, plying their extortions, under cloak of soap operas…It’s about, 1,000n sheeple, pandering their self righteousness, at a wake; half, crocodile tears,
My conjecture, beats your dogma, as in predicated upon the States’ own evidence, not, based upon the “we just know she did it,” partyline propaganda, Arias Bias, mob…. Due Process, commands that we don’t crucify people, without proof, of fact, not, how many stories, Sir Spazalot, can hypnotrick, out of them… I’ll save my venom for the mouse, until I see the freight train, laying belly up, whining… and, the mouse flexing her muscles… So far, all I’ve seen is a soap opera, wherein, she is being forced to say what youse guys want to hear, and, not one incontrovertible fact, has been put in front of the jury…. That, has hardly, been, a trial, of fact, as concealed by the Juanderer… Sir Dramamine ad nauseum Spazalot…..Edgrrr…Justice must be seen to be done…Arias Bias, defrauds the process; why, in such a slam dunk non case, is it necessary to defraud the jury, by, concealing the States’ own forensics’ proofs…??? Grrrr….
Edgar, she isn’t saying anything we want to hear. She is not telling us why she really did it and how she planned it… If it was a Mormon thing, that would bring slight plausibility to the theory that she is lying. Any other theories that a boyfriend of Travis did it do not add up. Why would she cover for that?
You don’t need any help, belittling yourself… and, of course, I keep to the exculpatory evidence; that’s what fair and honest, people do…Out of dozens of reasonable doubts, posted, not one was put to the jury; why’s that ? Now, the jurors are gagged to prevent them, telling us, exactly, what it is, that they, decided, upon; and, that is further concealment of the States’ own forensics proof, that prove, she did, none, of it…
Anybody know what the jury, actually decided, on, point by point, so those of us not so hypnonauseated by Sir Spazalots’ shucking and jiving,strobe act, can straighten you out on…??? Edgrrr….
8 to 4 the women could not kill her.
Do you really believe the 4 who were leaning towards Life were all women? You don’t think that at least one or more of the men fell under her spell of “sexuality”?……..Maybe even your boyfriend!
I have the utmost confidence in my boyfriend. HOW DARE YOU THINK OTHER WISE! I ALSO THINK HE WAS THE FOREMAN. Stand off of may bf who is 50 or 60 or 70…. something tells me he ain’t gonna like that age range and I love him just the same. 🙂 sadly they say he is married.
I likely would not have either.
Youse guys try living on 42 cents a day, food, for five years, with all the incompetency, of the lizards at law, system, and, see if you have a rational thought, listening to lieyers… Her words are irrelevant, when, superceded by the exculpatory evidence being concwealed by the prostitutor now, admitted by the reversal of format, and, a continued trial, based upon the refuted evidence of the spastic prostitutor… with no dismissal of the rescinded charges, or, a due process, arrest for the also imagined, new, reversed format, perjuries, at law…. First or last, we shoot all the lieyers… Edgrrr… What part of ignoring the hypnonauseator, do you not, get…??? And, am I sarcastic; why would I be sarcastic….???
I agree the forensics are questionable. That said, what if she wore gloves?
She did say during interrogation that if she did kill Travis,she would have worn gloves. Which tells me she didn’t.
Daryl… good observation X two… she didn’t wear gloves, and, she didn’t kill him…
Edgar, who do you think killed Travis? I gathered you think it was perhaps the church? The only other plausible scenario I see is that the church did it with her help. If we believe Bryan Carr, the blood atonement could have taken place with Jodi snapping pics as proof of his sins? And then the church planted the gun recently to ensure she is prosecuted, after they went back later to shoot him?
The church, by, osmosis; having, concealed, rituals, doesn’t have to spell it out, for zealots, thinking, from eons of brainwashing, that, doing what the churchsters, are too lily livered, to, defend, as a legitimate, religious, ritual, they should do, in, displaced reverence, to the self ordained, high priests, Who, do I think, did it ? His boyfriend… who else… Now, let’s hear your outrage, among the hissyfits… and, a boyfriend, likely, from the same church… Ask the bishop, who ratted Travis, out,and, that will prove, Travis, liked to skirt the edge, in contempt for the church, his life, and, anybody, stupid enough, to believe he was greater than life; in particular, he hated women, and, demeaned, any that gave a damned about him, and, proved their weaknesses, by, any perversions he could think of; a latent, in the closet whiner…”I’m just a dildo to you, with a heart; boo hoo, boo hoo”…….
If you’re not saying the blood and brass, are unimportant… then, in what way, do you say, they are important…???
“I agree, the forensics, are, questionable,” you., admit… so, of course, you’re referring to my questions, not, Sir Spazzalots, because, he just conceals them, along with the other, exculpatory evicence, he’s defrauded from the soap opera; and, of course, puts on his side show, to, punctuate, his bastardization, of the lizards at law, charade, of a process, at law, as if, to insult the sensibilities of the jurors, such as they are… Edgrrr…
And, Rose… thank you for the confession that you’ve enlisted the thinking section, young Americans, yet, only let them, read a few lines; which, you’ve chosen… Why don’t you share them with us, to show, wherein your Arias bias, lies… I’m guessing that each succeeding generation is not as stupid, as pubic education brainwash, makes them out, to be… Your, claim that the clues from the blood and the brass, is, unimportant, of course is the excuse the Spaz, needs, to, conceal all exculpatory evidence that hinders, organized crime at law, from their prime directive, of, Dazzling with Dialogue, or, failing that, Baffle with Bullshit… The facts, made up my mind; why, are the only paths to analyses, being concealed by these, slithering, officers of the court, illiterati…???
I did not say the blood and brass were unimportant, Edgrrr. I was just trying to move on because you couldn’t seem to get much farther than the gun in your scenario. You are so focused on that one fact that you can’t see anything else. You think the detective or lawyers are concealing the fact about the bullet. Why would they do that? To protect the bishop and frame JA? Why? Money? Power? Corruption for corruption’s sake?
I did offer to let my daughter read more of your comments but she said you used way too many adjectives, which she felt was intentional but could not understand why as that makes your comments hard to understand. In your defense, which I know you do not need, I told her I was getting accustomed to reading between the lines of your comments to get the context.
All my adjectives, are, surely, a great reason to dispel the facts, which prove, no guilt; as in the rock foundation, of a castle; not, building a castle, with no foundation. There’s a good reason to stick to the reasonable doubts; called, not guilty… unlike starting on the second story, while not having built the foundation… Your rebuttal to the fact that a mouse could not derail, a freight train, is, a good enough analogy, which you may, question, to, obscure the meaning, given that, I have to spell everything out for you. keep reading all the posts, and, there are so many explanations to debunk, all the lynch mobsters, that, the adjectives, lose the power to sentence a not guilty person to death… How did she overpower, Travis, when, you, yourself, noted that she must have drugged him ???She must have shot him, too… yet, he wasn’t drugged, and, the gunshot, has finally as I said, four years ago, was last… Adjectives, then, being no excuse, explain how 130 pound mouse, whipped up on, the rhino… Go ahead, and, whine, because my use of similar creatures, is the excuse you need to insist upon aiding and abetting, partyline, propaganda. playing the soap opera, backwards; as guilty, must be proven; the facts don’t matter. Just like the weenie cop, that perjured his oath of office; trying to show off to young guys, by putting on flashing lights and, siren, for such a heinous crime, the kid, wasn’t even guilty of, in the first place… The cop should be reported, for sexual harassment, strutting his stuff, to minors…and, boys, yet… Edgrrr…
There is niothing in this charade, further than, the blood and the brass, now, note this date, that the Spaz has refuted his own, socalled evidence, previously perjured to get an extradition, and, now refuted, yet, not now, notified the two braindead governors, whether or not, the extradition is still valid, without the veracity required that evidence not be perjured; as proven, that, forensics proof was concealed from the gitgo, that, Jodi, never fired a gun, as there were no gunpowder particulates found in the meticulously tweezered apart, distinctive, his and hers, blood molecules… now, confessed; so, where is the motion to dismiss, now that what was reasomable prostitutorial fodder for prosecution, now abandoned, is prima facie, in your face proof of reasonable doubt… ??? Edgrrr…
What proof could find of her shooting the gun when she was not picked up for days…weeks?
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:45 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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What if, she wore gloves… yup, and, what if, she didn’t; reasonable doubt… Now, add the facts, that can be proven; how did the mouse, derail, the freight train??? Reasonable doubt… and, if she did shoot him, why weren’t there gunpowder particulates in his, blood, part, of the combined blood, handprint… and, if, she wore glofes, how did she get, cuts in her hand… by holding the knife, by the blade; as Travis, supposedly, got, defensive cuts, by grabbing the knife by the blade; which, he couldn’t do, if she was holding it by the blade… You see, Jodi, has been setup, to launder the criminal acts of killers, in the process, of, getting away with it… reasonable doubt… Blood, which she transplanted, from the floor, to the wall…where the blurred pictures, prove she collapsed, upon, the explosion, shell shocking her to the ground, while she;s busy, focusing the camera, and, one of the two intruders, fired a gun, past her head… reasonable doubt… The gunshot to Travis, would have had to be first, if, the mouse was to derail this soap opera, but, it wasn’t, within the absolutes of beyond, a reasonable doubt… Now, for your evasions of the facts… Edgrrr…
My husband is snoring!!!! I can’t sleep! And I’m hungry ’cause I’m on a diet. But, now that Edgar has called me a ballerina I feel thinner so I’m going to eat an apple! And maybe an orange, too!!
Edgrrr, your scenario stinks! But you do have a good imagination!
So, here’s my scenario. I’m changing my story up a little bit but it’s still plausible, unlike yours!!. Sex after they woke up so TA’s relaxed. She fixes him coffee, maybe orange juice and puts sleeping pills or something like that in!! Gets him in the shower, takes picture; warm water, drugged, relaxed. Oh yeah, that’s why he sat down in the shower!! And as he’s dozing off, she STABS HIM in the heart! He’s in pain, drugged, in a very confined space. She STABS him again, he fights her, cuts his hands trying to get the knife but his hands are clumsy! Manages to get out, spits the blood in the sink, she stabs him in the head, neck, side, but he’s strong and,tries to run into his bedroom, falls, she stabs him in the back, then slits his throat!! Geez, this is grizzly!
As she is dragging in to the bathroom, his nerves cause him to jump. In her panic she thinks he might be still alive so shoots him in the head, drags him into the shower….
That’s a good story, right? Plausible, right? Maybe they didn’t test his blood for drugs!
A minor detail, Rose, as clearly defined by your own contradiction, of, looking in the mirror, and, transfering what you see, to me… Your last sentence, invalidates, your opinion of what, is my, premise; No drugs were found ….
Don’t you just love the self deprecating, inside out “logic;” “scenario stinks, but,” conversely, “a good imagination”… Does that not comenstruate [okay; commensurate, if, you must]… with, reasonable doubt; not being able, to decide between, “scenario stink,” and, “good imagination” ??? Chalk up another, reasonable doubt… how many do you require ??? Will the real juror, stand, and be recognized…??? Edgrrr…a lonely teardrop… crying for you, Arizona… for what you’ve done to Alice;there in Wonderland…
Sure she did, all the while, holding a knife in her left hand, a gun in her right hand, a camera in her third hand, and, rinsed the body with her fourh and fifth hands, and, was careful enough to keep the sixth hand, bloody, to autograph the wall; proving, she was there, while, doing the laundry, to prove she wasn’t… nonchalantly, hanging around, waiting for the gunshot, that, never happened, to, summon the dognut eaters, responding, to the gunshot call, that, never happened… and, hangs around, four days, for the blood to dry, so she can mutilate the dead body… What are you smoking…??? How many, of the hand picked, jury, members, are, on drugs; prescription, or, otherwise…??? Only,in Wonderland, Arizona…. or, Schizofornia… Edgrrr…
Negative, Rose… Forensics proves he wasn’t drugged… So, there’s another reasonable doubt against your, ” what if.”… and, cause for dismissal, because, how did she overpower him, without, shooting him, first, and, without, drugging him, second; so let’s hear some more speculative, ” what ifs,” from you ; these are all refutable by reasonable doubts; that’s why trials, aside from, lieyer extortions, are about, reasonable doiubt…. Edgrrr…
Do you have a link to the forensics on the handprint that prove no gunpowder particulates?
Tamera… Breakthrough…. the prostitutor has rescinded the gunshot first, soap opera, to do a 180 on that crucial, to his con, noncase, essentially, a refutation of gaining the advantage necessary, to, leisurely do the rest… which, without, the gunshot first, she could not have done any of it… Where, then, is the subsequent arrest, relating to the new format, considering the confession of prostitutorial imaginings are now, admitted; making four years in jail, proven fraudulent; and, providing a bar against any further prostitution…??? Edgrrr…
Sure, Rose; why shouldn’t we all play spastic ballerina, tapdancing, to comatoast the jury, and, conceal the facts, which prove innocense; that’ll solidify, Arias Bias…. while, this Alice in Wonderland, soap opera, is being sleazed, in reverse… explain the rational basis, for your derision over the significance of the gunshot, without which, Olive Oyl, could not, beat up on Bluto… and, do explain that there is no significance to, 1,2,3, or, four days, between crimes, proving the second one was a feeble cover, to set Jodi, up, for the frirst, ritual killing… Ask the bishop, who, ratted, Travis, out… And, do explain why, after such a precision kill, Jodi, would wait around, 1,2,3, or, 4 days, for the blood to dry, so as to kill him again…when, she could have taken the camers, hidden in the bedding, and, driven away; as, opposed to sitting there, waiting fror the room mate or, visitor, to come in and, catch her, there…??? Edgrrr…
Hey, thanks Edgrrr. I haven’t been the size of a ballerina in quite a few years! Oh, tapdancer, too!
Now, silliness aside, what you are saying is:
1. The bishop killed TA and set JA up for the killing?
2. And the bishop killed him as a blood atonement for TA’s sin?
3. And the gun was shot days later to set up JA?
4. And she has kept her mouth shut all this time to protect whom??
5. And you base all this on the bullet landing/sitting/kicked/put on blood…dried or not?
Just yes or no will be adequate if you don’t mind, Edgrrr. I have a headache.
Rose, I admire your patience and perseverance (Tamara too) in your debate with our friend Edgrr. Your recap above of his point of view has saved me a headache as I was saying what is he saying??? I now dub you the Edgrr whisper-er I look forward to both you and Tamara mediating his existence here – I feel we will have him with us for awhile. .
LC, I think my patience has run out. Makes me think of not being able to see the forest for the trees.
Well, of course, you are giving yourselves, headaches; trying to fit a ton of BS into a five gallon bucket… How’s your gestapo, bootlicking, holding up, now…??? Edgrrr… And, where’re the good guys, ratting out what Sir Spazzzalot, is concealing…??? Don’t you sense that there’s an encyclopedia of missing facts, concealed from the jury ???
LC, as in Elsie… moo… where’s the “we,” you allude to…??? you got these other squeeksters in your pocket…??? Edgrrr… I do notice how hard, all you illiteratis strive to, evade the actual facts, with peripheral, hocus pocus. More proof of a not guilty verdict, as admitted, by no refutation of all the reasonable doubts… Arguing about, arguing, does not, obscure the evidence… Grrr…
Negative; yes or no, is inadequate when the issue is the truth, the whole truth, and, nothing but, the truth; unless in one of these communistic lizards at law tribunals, where the oath isinistered; then, “good, now, sit down, shut up, and, answer the question, yes or no… 1. No, the Bishop, has idiots by proxy, that’ll do the killing for him, so he can’t get caught… 2. Travis was caught up between his delusions of piety, over, perversion, and, submitted to his doctrine [ law ] and, covenant, [ agreement ], to atone for his sins… hence the celebratory thousand person wake, canonizing his martyrdom… 3, The gunshot was later to set Jodi, up…. The gunshot was later to set, Jodi, up…. 4. and, she has kept her mouth shut to protect those intruders, with masks on, that she cou;ld not, identify, other than to sa, one was a man, and, one was a woman; corroberated by the girl sock foot, picture, and, the tread blood patterned mans’ footprint, picture… 5. Sure do, considering that at anytime the careening shell, was sailing around the room, in its’ tutu, it would have gotten bloody, with, blood under, or, blood over it; irrespective, of whether, or not, it can be construed, that, after the fact, when the blood was dry, it might have been kicked, as that would not have removed the blood smear, of an initial, gunshot, which, without, Olive Oyl, could not have beaten up on Bluto, without, Popeyes help…. Line up the usual suspects, and, see which one looks capable of, overpowering, Travis; for a start… Edgrrr…
Travis had a thousand person wake?
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:29 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
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A link on the forensics, to prove, no, gunpowder, particulates, in the combined blood, handprint….??? Of course not, because, there were none to report… and, Scientists, only dwell upon what is, not, what, isn’t… Do you really believe that these lizards at law, are going to let the Jury, decide anything, when, they do their illegal, side bar, “legal issues,” out of reach of the jurors whose job it is, to, judge the law, as well as the issue, and, out of reach, of the defendant, supposedly, aiding in her own, defense… and, out of reach of the court reporter, recording, for appellate, review; as if, those sidebar conspiracies, are not an obstruction of justice…Jury, nullification, is headed off at the pass, by brain dead judges, who, let these lieyers, hold their sidebar, minitrials, in baltant contempt, for the jury…then, there in the twilight zone, let the juries, play prosecutors, and, submit questions, culled by these lizards at law, so as to, slither in another innocent person, arguably not, into prison; as proven by the DNA exoneration, of their innocense… even, convictees, on death row… It’s simpleminded to believe that some of those executed were not, innocent… Look up your arguments, that are, ignoring the evidence… while the killers are out there… Edgrrr… Ask the young ones; I doubt they’d agree that the evidence to exonerate, is unimportant; why then, even have a trial, since the lizards at law, are all in on the scam, to facillitate, all those plea “bargains,” because the State will lay a few million bucks on them, to burn anyone, naive enough to think, that, Liberty and Justice, For All, is not, GLIBerty and, JUST ice, for all…. from these fork ntongued lizards at law, and, brain dead, judges… “Woe, unto you judges;” your days are looming…Edgar…
sidebars are recorded by the court reporter. The prosecution is arguing that the gunshot came last. I tend to agree with you that it would have to have come first due to Olive Oyl Theory. 🙂 I am not convinced that gunpowder from a head wound would have transferred to wounds to the back. Thus the presence or absence of gunpowder particulates in the bloody handprint is irrelevant.
We do have photographic evidence of the timeline of the great majority of the wounds. He was clearly stabbed in those few minutes, bleeding everywhere. So regardless, she murdered him. Even she can’t deny that. we know the time within minutes, assuming the camera date and time to be correct, that he died.
I love a good conspiracy, Edgar… but yours has a lot of holes.
Nah… The gunshot, not to have happened last, but, had to have happened first, if, the soap opera is to be believed… that, is the entirety of the reference to the premeditation, claim, that she shot him first…now which ist kaput, as the about face, is, tricked, to, negate, the premeditation claim, as, Sir Ad Nauseum Spazalot, again tries to work both sides of the street; might as well, as the defense, is too busy, adding up their bribery money…The gunshot was last, four days, after the killing, as evidenced by the fact that the blood was dry… as proven because the careening, ejected brass band, was playing, “Don’t cry for me, Arizona,” for these vascillating, vassals… trying to baffle with bullshit, claiming, that still, she did any of it, no matter what the evidence says… the State claims to own the evidence… so, why bother with trials, here in lalaland… Edgrrr…
I’m not really going to comment on what you said here, Edgrrr. I really do have a headache and I can’t follow your line of thinking or writing. Maybe tomorrow.
My oldest g’son would agree with you that the law of lizards are corrupt. Poor kid saved money for about a year to buy an old truck. It needed work so he and my son worked on it every weekend for the last two months. Well, tonight was the first time he was able to drive it and we were all excited for him. As he stopped at the stop sign, twenty five feet from our house, he put his blinker on to turn left and off he went. We were just walking up the steps to the deck when we saw a police car pass, lights and sirens. About ten, maybe 15 minutes later we got a phone call from my g’son. The police had pulled him over 300 feet from where he turned. They searched his truck and give him a ticket for not using his left turn signal.
My husband, my son, younger g’son and I were all outside watching him leave and we saw the turn signal bright as day!!
Rrrrrose
And, even with witnesses, to police perjury; read the ticket; under penalty of perjury… you never bothered to defend your son,…who’s worse; a lying cop, or, a mother who won’t fight the creep in traffic tribunal, called, “court,” even with, witnesses; leaving the perjurer, to go free…. So, what will the kids grow up to become, realizing the futility, of standing for their rights; gang bangers, imitating, criminals with guns and badges…???
You really are crossing the line here, Edgar! You can’t wait to judge and throw out more of your ridiculous verbiage when you know nothing whatsoever about me or my life or my struggles or the times I’ve stood in defense of my kids/or g’kids! Who are you to judge me? You, who goes on and on in your comments about ‘reasonable doubt’. But you have NO reasonable doubt that I’m a terrible g’mother who is teaching her children and g’children not to stand up for themselves and that they will become RE: gang bangers, imitating, criminals with guns and badges!!
I could take a line from you and say some cruel things about you, Edgar, but insulting and belittling people are not style. I’ll leave that to you.
And, you voted for Romney… that, Mormon guy, who swore, under a blood atonement, blood oath, to pledge all he has to the Quasireligious, corporation, while, whatwith, such solemnity, [ sole enmity ], he’s concealed 300 million, bucks, into, some foreign bank… that same crook, not unlike, O’BaaaMaaa, the 12 year old Valley Girl, Sheeples’ Messiah, with the cutesy, abbreviated word endings, and, a curtsy after every speech…??? Another devout LSD fraud, who never met a solemn oath, he couldn’t perjure, just as soon as another, solemn oath, is, needed…Of course, the devil is hiding in the details, ; wouldn’t your children, agree…??? Edgrrr…
Yes, Edgrrr, I voted for Romney. I was pretty certain you would have several cryptic things to say about my decision. I would have been terribly disappointed if you had not.
Yes, actually, my children would agree.
……. Where did, the transference, of gunpowder, from, back to front, come from, when he was shot, in the face…???? And, Schizofornia, lieyers, and judges, huddle their whisperfests, in the corner, blatantly, in contempt, as that evidence of putting the court on trial, is defrauded, right in front of them… Maybe in Wonderland, a side bar is something different… Last, I heard, they were claiming that she shot him first, and, gained control; now, after nearly five years, of, preaching, it’s accepted, that, the gunshot was last… so, how did the mouse, derail, the freight train…??? The fact is, she did none of it… Edgrrr…
There were several knife wounds to Travis’ back, so there would not be gunpowder on those bleeding wounds. Thus the gun shot to the face could have happened first. Bloody hand print comes from her cut hand touches his back then the wall.
How do you explain the picture of Jodi dragging a dead or nearly dead Travis around? Or the pictures Jodi took of dead Travis in the shower?
You are up late tonight, Edgar….You doin’ okay?
Who says, that, with a gun in one hand, a knife in her other hand, a camera, in her third hand, and, an empty, fourth hand, she could perform such a juggling act, that, he, a wrestler, fighter, weightlifting, bodybuilder, could not, easily, counter… and, who can say, who, was taking the pictures…???
I would offer that WITH HER LEG IN THE PICTURE where she is dragging him into the shower, that is pretty solid evidence that the camera was on her person, likely dangling from her wrist, as the poor innocent dear lugged the corpse of the man she had just given head to hours earlier down the hall. Wouldn’t you agree Mr. Longenecker?
Knife wounds, knifewounds… your problem is, that you cannot, wait four days for the blood to dry, to add up the soap opera, inconsistency, with the precision, of the kill… whatwith sucking up to big brothers’ partyline propaganda…
Tamera… Gunpowder particulates, spray, out the barrel, like a fog, and, would prove when tweezered, apart from the meticulous enough distinct enough blood types, to prove or not to prove the fraudulent gunshot first claim; the concealment of which, got the perjury of process, a fraudulently obtained, interstate kidnap warrant, at law… now, adfmitted; yet, no, set aside of the bogus verdict, explain Jodi dragging Travis, around; I have yet to see that…. The gunshot was in the second crime, to, set, Jodi, up; as if the one who did the ritual blood atonement sacred church ritual, and the one who feigned the haphazard, stabfest, were the one and same person… Sorry…. Not likely…. Edgrrr…
…..The absenc[se of gunpowder, in the combined blood, is irrelevant…. The time it took for blood to dry, is irrelevant… the shell, landing upon already dried blood, is irrelevant… she never, contemplated four days, as to how, she made bit look like she did it, after such a precision kill… all irrelevant… and, she never had a can of gas to spare to smoke the evidence; again, irrelevant… And, she never did the laundry, unconcerned that the cops were responding to the gunshot, that, never happened… more to be irrelevant… just like this socalled, trial; just label, everything, irrelevant, and, hope that the lizards can get through this charade of a trial, before the jurors wake up from the penguin in a tutus’ induced coma, and, before real people, begin to be troubled by Olive Oyl, whipping up, on, Bluto, without, shooting him first; now, that the lizards have finally copped to the fact that the gunshot, was last… therefore the mouse, could not physically, have beat up on the rhino… another minor technicality, to extract, with all the others, so as to leave any non Bias Arias, full of holes…. Well, as I’ve said, for four years, plus, it’s all a soap opera, ang the lizards have selected their victim…. facts, be damned… So, how did the gunshot, first, give her the upperhand, and, now that the States’ own forensics, is now, accepted, and, proven by the dried blood, that the gunshot was last, now, continue the lie, that, she, a mouse, overpowered a rhino, without, shooting him first ? The fact that damage control must be revised, is, reasonable doubt… wherein, only one, is required… The only holes in my posts, are, by the unlawful extraction of exculpatory, evidence… Explain, how, the blood and brass, testimonies, finally got through, and, why not one of these issues or, arguments, has been put before the jury… Also, who’s got the culled jurors questions; obviously bearing upon the fraudulence of this soap opera; since you can bet, Romneys’ concealed money, that, no question, in opposition to partyline propaganda, was, not, extracted; thus, proving the impartiality, of the brain dead judge…
Did I not mean to say: the imp-partiality, of the braindead judge….???
Who’s to say that it’s Jodi, because of a picture of a foot, in a sock ??? That’s sure conclusive, considering the man and woman intruders…. Edgrrr…And, I suppose by such conclusivity, the foot in the mans,’ boot, is also, Jodis….??? Edgrrr…
RRRRose… maybe they all, and, those they tell, will, someday, take the lie, out of lieyer… Such, gestapo, extrajudicial antics are being multiplied every minute, by one or another aider and abettor, perjuring his oath of office…Eleven, Mesa, home invasion shootings, since, Jodi was locked up… How many, can, forensics, say, were, by the same perpetrators…??? Tamara… Of course, I’m tired, trying to unwind years of pubic education, dogma, to get people to think for themselves, instead of licking, gestapo, boots… I thought we agreed that, forensics’ proof, that he was shot, last, cancelled the delusion, that she, overpowered him, by shooting him, first; that, soap opera, now, canceled; to agreed, gunshot, last… so, the fact that she could have shot him, first, becomes equal to, four years of, she could have shot him last… with the what ifs, that, don’t even need to be proven, since the controversy alone, proves, reasonable doubt… Now, what say you now, upon more facts; blood and brass, proves, the gunshot, was last… closing out, the what ifs …? Now, obviating the need to invent another soap opera, in keeping with the “set Jodi up,” soap opera… since holes may be scammed against the facts, and, these lizards try to murder a girl…. all, in the interests, of JUST ice…. More, tomorrow…. Edgrrr….
Good Morning Edgar! Sleep well?
I get the cause of your conspiracy theories. For them to be true, despite the evidence we disagree on as factual, you have to believe that the government of Arizona is in cahoots with the dastardly Mormons and their blood atonement rituals. Isn’t the government of Arizona known to be one of the strictest in the nation what with their strong deportation laws and Arpaionion tent prisons? They don’t seem the type to participate in a vast cover-up to protect the Mormons. Do you really believe the defense team to have the mental capacity to participate in this cover up? Does Flores seem like the type of guy to create reports to implicate Arias in order to protect the throngs of Mormons crossing the nation imposing their own sentencing on their followers?
What’s for breakfast?
Nah, nothing so honest as a Cons.Piracy… Fourteen million LSDers, and, not one, political lizard at law, imagined, a slam dunk, poll call, by aiding and abetting, all those sacred, secret, rituals, that, none of us mere mortals, can understand, of, the devout ones, ready to accept their, transition, ultimate, worldly, atonement, heart plunge, ear to ear, throat slice, ascension from planet evil; that would be here; to planet, playboy, with all those virgin angels… A 1,000 person wake, for “King Alexander,” whose perversities, sacrificed himself, was as much, a celebration, for perverting himself out of this world, as it might have been, by / with all those crocodile tears; lamenting his reward, by / of, his ascension, to Godhood, and, of course, all those virgins… his, celestial reward, for, fornicating all those guru groupees, here on planet evil, to, motate on to all those virgins, and, all he had to do was prove his devoutness, by, honoring his agreed to blood oath, blood atonement, heart plunge, ear to ear, throat slice, abandonment of his “used up,” life…as in getting to do, on planet playboy, what, got him terminated for, willingly, here on planet evil… Does that, compute, for you “believers…”…??? What, sacrilege, to cover up, such a sacred, sacrifice, by, stab wounds, and, a gunshot, to obscure such conviction, that, LDS really requires, LSD, to, be palatable… Throw in a few peyote buttons, and this soap opera, is good to go… Then, there’s the LSD, contempt for their, straight laced, Stepfraud Wives, pandering to these perverts, so, they can play house with, each other; of course,… What’s one less witch to help them, stir their cauldrons; and, waltzing off, with their guru….especially, considering all that praying to the head, preying mantis ? Jodi, knows which idol, Travis really worshipped… and, sleazed, accordingly; for, which, her sacrifice, was just another lesson for the Stepfraud Wives, to learn…but, the sacrilegeous, desecration of the ritual site, surely, takes the religiousity, out of the soap opera, doesn’t it ? Also, the LSDers, forcing these pasrasitic, lizards at law, to murder an innocent girl, for her complicity, in achieving, Godhood, and, all those virgins, for “King Alexander,” should teach us all, how, much, devil worshipping is in the cold hearts, of these heretics, to their own delusions; contradicting, what they think they believe, whenever, the satanics, are on the horizon…but, what the hell… who needs facts, when carnal carnival acts, can tit-elate, the jury… despite, how simpleminded, Sir Dramamine Spazalot, can moronize, the jury ,ino his ad nauseum, penguin in a tutu, tapdance, American Idol, audition…. Edgrrr… Did, I almost, forget to say, “chalk up another, pile of reasonable doubts, that, Jodi, did anything, but, get brainwashed, by a motivational speaker, magician… and, with Sir Spazalot, there seems to be lots of magic, going around ???” Just maybe, the jury will convict prosecutor, instead… as if, the law does not say, that the penalty must reach the accuser,lest anyone can accuse anyone else, without, penalty, to himself; ergo; let’s just throw these lizards at law, into prison for nearly bfive years, before, we let them, ply their extortions, against, anyone… Why should these psychophants, get away, with making innocent girls, into victims of their felonious bullshit, and, conceal evidence, to launder their own crime, of, existing, among, real people…???
Edgar, really now. I think you have your bigotry confused, babe. See it’s the Muslims that get all the virgins for dying as a martyr. The poor LDSers don’t get any virgins. I’m not what they do with their virgins in their celestial hereafter but it doesn’t sound like anyone gets to have any fun with them. In LDS heaven, you are stuck with whoever you married FOR ALL OF ETERNITY. No. New. Virgins, Edgar. While LSD men get to house a selection of options for sex under one roof on earth, once they buy their prizes they are theirs to keep for all eternity!
Also, the whole blood atonement deal is a voluntary(ish) ritual in which one atones for a MURDER through self-sacrifice. Travis didn’t kill anyone so he would not be…eligible…. as it were for blood atonement. He just liked kinky sex with mentally disturbed chicks on the side. WHICH IS PERFECTLY NORMAL for men both LDSers and LSDers.
I will save the issue of Jodi’s naivete for another time.
Best to read, “The God Makers,” about the celestial virgin angels, the Stepford wives, get to pimp… read, of other looted, policies…they stole from every other religion, which would make them appear, legit… Read, Brigham Youngs,’ eligibility, list, for the “cardinal ” sins, making one eligible, for their agreed to snuff…Murder, is on the list…
While the endless celestial sex sounds interesting, I’ve found this trial to be more aligned with Alice in Wonderland. So tell me Edgar, Why IS a raven like a writing desk?
Let the cultists, everywhere, count the ways…and, whine about all the looting by the LSD pilferers , who’ve enbezzled their processes… Without, the base bribe, of, celestial virgins, how, do you expect these wolves in sheeples clothing, to be duped into trading, real women, in , for, airy fairy, mirages, of virgins, in an imaginary, afterlife; which is exactly whut it is.. after, your, life… which they’ll find out, when they are trapped in a box under ground… Edgrrr…
You say, Muslims get the virgins, for being, martyrs…??? LSDers, get the virgins, for being perverts; “living their used up life…”
Stake… and legs… for your LSD repast… Why do you suppose, they call their cells, stakes; if not, as a subliminal, reproach, to, watch the low flying bats, up there, in their palaces…??? “Defense team, to have the mental capacity” ??? You wouldn’t be morphing away from the soap opera, to, objectify, the lack of reasonable doubts, as are being concealed from the authority, of a jury, of ones’ pee-ers…. to brown nose the system, and, accept their million dollars bribe, to throw Jodi, under the train; no wonder the mouse, was trying to derail the train…Did, I sleep well ??? I was on cloud nine, looking for an interview, with all those virgin angels….I guess, Travis, never caught the train…. nowhere in sight… You don’t suppose, it’s all been a hoax, do you; like the trial for being at the wrong place at the wrong time….. and, being ordered to execution, to show what govern mentals, and, religious fanatics, can do when they join up against the sheeple…I just can’t imagine, what religion, they stole that, from…. Edgrrr…
Well I assumed it was more in the sense of staking their claim… I am glad to hear you are well-fed and well rested today. Can lucidity be far behind?
Lucidity, presupposes, that the turkeys you see as eagles, can be morphed, by, whoever gets to decide, what’s all too clear… ludicrous… at best… Who needs reality, wnen some great fantasies, will do…????
I believe most of your comments prove this… RE: “Who needs reality, when some great fantasies, will do”… to be absolutely true.
Whut evidence? … You sat tomahtoes, I say t’maters…. apples and, oranges; any way you dice them; uncertainty, and, reasonable doubt, is all , you get, and, is, all,that’s required… How many, do you, require…??? Just one reasonable doubt, hooking up with one honest juror, and, it’s back to the bastille, for five more years, while the lizards at law, try to grow evidence, and, pass around some “get out of jail,” cards, to gather up some perjuries…and, extort a settlement…without a disbarment, in sight… Edgrrr…
Edgar! There is no need for that kind of incivility! I would NEVER say ToMAHtoes for fucks sake. I just bought three huge maters from an 82 year old dealer on the side of the road who is running them from Floriduh. I expect an apology forthwith.
Ahhhh sssso, grasshopper… an apology, you get… better hide the maters, because, sharing veggies, is a crime, here in the gulag… and, proves somebody is stealing the Fuhrers’ wattah…. The water police, will have to search your house…and, the spot check, agricultural nazis, will have to confiscate, anything grown, without, a water permit…and, your car, confiscated, for, carrying, controlled substances… See Obamadamned, for guidance, and, say 49 hail Obamas…. while, hearing Elvis, sing; “In the Gulag…” with his tomah toe…Only in such a free country, with organized crime at law, in command… can we be so blessed… demented old buzzard; still thinks he’sc got rights; growing contraband food, without, debreeding, chemicals, in them……… a mater runner… scofflaw… at his age, any sentence will be a life sentence… you’ll be expected to aid and abet the fascist feeding frenzies, wherever you find them… and, Tamera… carry your camera…. Edgrrr…
grrrrrrrrrrrr I was having trouble finding this comment that I knew was here because WordPress had me approve it as if it contained something questionable.
Now here, reading it, I rather regret admitting to tomato smuggling in a public forum. I have had my comments here read in open court already once recently. Thankfully, your presence seems to repel the types that would be likely to rat me out to our oppressors. I feel a certain safety in here with you…
…. then, there’s the apellate matter, that an English interpreting, Spanish speaker was not, granted… why, if not as a clandestine, order to the lizards, that there’ll be no Mexicans, in my court… Grounds alone, for a mistrial, no doubt; whatwith, such definable, jury tampering… programming, what won’t be in her courtroom… See what happens when these lizards at law, become judges, high up there on their perches… the altitude, affects their brains; such as they are…. Edgrrr…
Darling, It’s ARIZONA! All the Mexicans have done been run out of there. Pay attention. The Mexicans are irrelevant to this issue. Jodi did not even speak Mexican before arriving in jail. She learned Mexican in the hoooscow from the Mexicans that Mexico is trying not to take back.
Strictness in the nation, you say; beating the down trodden, with 42 cents per day, substandard, subsistance??? Bring us your poor, your tired, and, your heavily laden, and, we will screw your women and, turn, your children into dope addicts, to make you wish, you’d never bought in to our hype… of… a free country… Edgrrr…
You said it all… but, condensed; the D.A. is pandering to all those voters; good that you noticed… Edgrrr… Flores was browbeat, as was the medical examiner, into participation in the three stooges act of the prostitutor, assuming that, Flores is the one, the now, en masse signed onto three stooges, did, the 180 degree perjury of the first or second part of the at law, con; as if, both ways, the three stooges are right, even though they now swear with the same zeal, that their new found revelation from on high, leaves validation of the con of the first part, to, support by its’ demise, proof, to draw from to support the con of the second part… translated to prove that “facts; we don’t need no stinking facts….” Edgrrr…
Why the series of evasions, regarding the forensics’ proofs, that, once Arias Bias, is debunked, by the actual physical evidence, that, doesn’t matter; prejudice is still, pandering to the partyline propaganda… with, Alfred E Neuman, prosecuting…??? Do note, that while basking in your ignorance, that, not one of these concerns, has been entered into the court record; as if, there’s no reason, facts, should, upset the lizards at law, in their extortionary, side shows…and, with the ignored, physical evidence; what’s to decide…???
Are you finished? Good. Now answer my question. Do you have a problem with your memory, Mr. Longenecker? Would you like the court reporter to read it back to you?
Certainal… do have me reminded of the paragraphs, I must have missed. Mayhaps, I was lulled into the same coma that has put the rest of you lynch mobsters, into the ozone… Do tell, and, while I’m being reminded; let’s share the revelations, as to, why it’s okay for Sir Ad Nauseum Spazalot, to sicken with his blinking lights, strobe hypnotricking, carnival, act, while he’s conspiring with the socalled, “defense,” taking their million dollars plus, bribe, to sell out an innocent girl… to, conceal, exculpatory evidence… While reading what, I am supposed to have forgotten, let’s remember, how hard, ad nauseum, tried to conceal the computer entries, that, trumped his strategically, chosen entries… Whut, I mist… do tell… Thnxxxx… Edgrrr… My memories are made of facts, not, partyline propaganda; as in, not, brainwashed… Why is none of this in court, to be noted, accepted, or, rejected, by the actual arbiters, of this non case, if not, conspiratorially concealed by these lizards at law; sleazing past the brain dead judge…??? Grrr…
Please read the question back to Mr. Longenecker…
[courtreporter] How do you explain the picture of Jodi dragging a dead or nearly dead Travis around? Or the pictures Jodi took of dead Travis in the shower? [/courtreporter]
Did I forget to state, that, mighty mouse, was dragging, 200 plus pound, Travis, with one hand… for sure it was her, taking the pictures, with her second hand, while, carrying a gun in her third hand, and, a knife in her fourth hand, and, with her fifth and sixth hands, propped him up in the shower, and, proceeded to wash off the blood [atonement ritual; ]… making sure to keep a hand, bloody, so as to autograph the wall, to prove, she was there, while, doing the laundry, to prove, she wasn’t; while, nonchalantly, not worrying that any minute the cops would be done with their donuts, to answer the gunshot call, that, never, happened, because,Jodi, never fired a gun… oh look, there’s Spot….see Spot…see Spot run…
Cameras tend to have these little straps attached so that one can slip the strap over their hand onto their wrist in the event one needs to drag a dead body with both hands. This leaves the camera hanging freely which can result in an unintended photo graph when an naïve young girl engorged with adrenaline slides a corpse across a blood-slick tile floor with the only two hands she has.
Quite dancing around with your words and please answer the question Tamara asked you with facts, Edgar. I’m very interested to hear your reply.
… and, yet, despite his sacrileges, Jodi, drags him to the shower, to morph his justified, homicide, into, an eternal, soul saving, religious ritual, by bleed out, down the drain, rinsing the body, and, laundering the sheets; symbolic, to, laundering his clothes, since, being in the shower, he had no clothes on, to need, laundering…Ir, any of youse guys, bothered to read the inside skinny, on, blood oath, blood atonement, as explained in, “The God Makers,” and, similar, books, regarding the exacting parallels, between, Anderson, fornicating his stepdaughter, grave dug, heart plunged, ear to ear, throat sliced, blood drained, body rinsed, clothes, laundered, and, the same, as in, identical, eternal soul saving ritual, sacrifice, agreed to by such devoutness, as, Travis, feigned, in his Jekyl and Hyde, conflicting, antics; sacred, baptismal vs sodomizing; …. Then… heart plunge, ear to ear, throat slice, blood drained, body rinsed, and, clothes,/ bedding, laundered… No wonder, the secondary crime, four days later, after the blood had dried; whatwith, getting the cult, off the hook… with the schizoid, admonitions of Brigham Young; “We would not kill a man, except out of love, and to save his eternal soul.” Of course, it always helped expedite such devotion to his enemies, if, he had a hot wife, or, pretty little eight year olds, having reached the age of “responsibility,” no doubt a misspelling, response, ability, for the perverts, is more better… ONE… just one, reasonable doubt, and, One, juror, unimpressed, by Sir Comatoast Spazalots, contempt fot their intelligence… juat ONE of each, to dispel, the slander of accusation, so, the criminals slithering at law, can try, her again, under, equal footing, circumstances… Edgrrr…Maybe, this fourth answer, gets noticed as the answer to your question… at least to the point of, another of the dozens of reasonable, I have posted, all the same, for, over four years; all, ignored by the bribe gorging, millionaire, lizards at law, in the making, who want it kept secret, how much bribery it tales, to sell out an innocent girl; because the wimpy gestapo, hasn’t got thye nads, to brihg in those, they know, by now, that did, both crimes… Let the Moroni-cs, fourteen million strong, each, donate a penny, for proof, she did none of it, and, watch the lizards at law, scurry out from under their shrooms, to bring in the killers, who are still out there; protected by, Sir Spazalot, whose hypnotricking carnival act, is, also… out there… Edgrrr…Fourteen million inconsequential, measly little pennies, should put the sacred back in the black….a valid church investment….
Answering this a third time, in another way…after, Popeye, subdued Bluto, sodomizing, Olive Oyl, with, appropriate vengeance, she dragged hin into the shower, to bleed out, and, wash the body; so as to turn this from what it was, or, to what is… a blood oath, eternal soul saving ritual, then, laundered his clothes…Read, “The God Makers,” for the exacting parallels, between, Anderson, fornicatingt his stepdaughter,and, Alexander, sodomizing, and, claiming that oral and anal sex is less of a sin, than, vaginal sex; after just baptising her… Then, chase down the bishop, Travis, was ratted out to, to get the name of that, suspect… Edgrrr…
Did I hear Pipsqueekiness…??? I prefer Quip Squeekiness…. Wherefore art thou, Argumentators… ??? It’s so lonely, here at the top…
I’m growing weary of looking for your last reply in the sea of words so I shall point out here that your butter doesn’t suit the works. Perhaps you shouldn’t have put the bread knife in it because it’s now all crumby. I support your premise that the gunshot did indeed happen first. Why do you discard the possibility that an investigating officer might have had his attention distracted by a donut hole and at some point, say, oh I dunno, how about four days later when investigating, ever so gently toed the brass causing it to roll until it’s trajectory was halted by a small blister of dried blood. Is your faith in the efficiency of small town police departments so blind that you can rule this out as a possibility?
No way, Jose, do I believe that the gunshot was first, and, that, for sure had to have been first, in order for Sir Dramamine, ad nauseum, Spazalots’, balancing act, charade, to float; proving, premeditation, as in, she walked in, carrying, a gun, and, dispatched him, with a bang…. non case, closed…. Why would any hick keystone kop, be able to gently, toe anything, to hit a bump in the large island, of dried blood, unless, the blood was dry, four days, after the kill… and,why, except for purposes of evasion, would such a far fetched scenario, even need to become an actual, speculation, to a nation of boot lickers, as if they, are losing their grip on, the reality they’ve imagined, and, need to “splain it,” as judge Judy sayyys…??? And, why would the cop, mess up the crime scene…??? And, whatwith, such precision, I never knew, Tiger Woods was a hick keystone kop….Edgrrr… have your reporter, find where in five years, I’v not, declaimed the prosecutorial fraud, of an initial, gunshot, which, could have been debilitating enough to liesurely, do the rest of the dirty deed… and, why do you think, that the brass and the blood, does not, disprove, the allegations, of the spaz, to the tune, of, crossing over, after, I’ve proven that the gunshot was last; causing the crook at law, to revise his whole, soap opera…??? Where the hell, is he going with turning proof of innocense into, another charade, of, guilt…??? Schizobahstard…he… not, I… Edgrrr… And, how do you walk, spading your toes, so as to tee off, a drop kick, with, gentle on your mind…??? … instead, of, to squash, the shell…?????
Does your ire for the prosecution come from personal interactions in court as either a defendant or a defense attorney or is it his pipsqueakiness in general that you find so distasteful? You have not proven to me, nor has the court, that the gun shot was last. Nor have either of you proven that it was first. I do, and have, upheld the Olive Oyl v. Bluto theory far before you gave it that appellation. I see a keystone cop or two all atwitter over a gen U wine murder investigation going on shuffling ever so carefully into the crimescene being capable of shuffling near enough to the bullet to nudge it into the small blister of blood where it was photographed. If you envision them in your head as more of shuffling scuffers rather than high-stepping Nazis, you will see the likely scenario I suggest.
Ye of far-fetched scenarios should be casting stones.
……. Having seen the peacock, govern mentals, strut, and, grouse, with superintendency, of, brain dead judges, doing the “All Rise; the Honorable, parasite, presiding,” pledge of allegience, to the gold fringed, united states, international, martial law, jolly roger, piracy flag, desecrating, all, we allegedly stand for; the revulsion, just needs to be dealt with…Open season, would be a good start… against, the antitrust, Freedom, embezzling, lizards at law… and, yes, I’ve had three children, kidnapped by collusion and conspiracy, between church and state; thirty years, and, counting; dead or, alive… concealed…
I’m glad you asked this RE: Does your ire for the prosecution come from personal interactions in court as either a defendant or a defense attorney or is it his pipsqueakiness in general that you find so distasteful?
I wanted to ask that but didn’t want to cross any boundaries or ask anything personal. I did have the same thought from the vitriol of his speech concerning lawyers, police, etc.
I have not read all the posts from today but from the ones I have read I have not found answers to the questions you or I have asked, Have I missed answers? If so, please point me to them.
Leaving no stoners, unturned… you’re doing just fine… let the blood and the brass, speak to you… as to plausability, or not; circumstantial, or not reasonable or not; they all, are not conclusive, beyond a reasonable doubt… any which way, you can… look at it… Beyond a reasonable doubt, how did the mouse, derail the freight train ? a man, with the strength to, match, Travis, nearly decapitated him; and, Jodi, is a mose, in comparison… You lynch mobsters, really should work this non case, in the right direction, instead, of, from punishment, down to the unfounded soap opera…
TamaraTattlesTwittlesToTittle… Closer, fetched scenarios, indicate, one, should be stoning, casts… as one soap opera, after another, bites the bullet., and, American Idol, looks for real talent…Sunkist, doesn’t want, Charlie Tuna… go fish… Edgrrr… ..
… “Defence attorney, or, defendant.” you are waking up from your coma… I can’t tell them apart, either… Edgrrr… ..
And, why would there be an imaginary lump, in the blood, to stop the bouncing shell… and, if so, who, bleeds in chunks, and, if, they did, how would the brass, escape, being, smeared with, wet blood ? The simple enough answer, is, because, four days after the precision kill, came the setup Jodi,soap opera… inconsistent, haphazard, hysterical, feigned, incongruent, soap opera; as in, a separate crime, to set her up… If, she did the precision kill, why would the secondary soap opera, not, follow the same premeditated, precise, motif; if not, because, the two ski masked intruders had their own way, to do, what got done, and, what, was feebly attempted, as hysterics… I’d look for ex usees, of King Alexander; a girl, and,a guy, and, I would regard the elements of truth in each of her post traumatic, glimpses, of remembrances… as the truth…or, at least, as proof of reasonable doubts… Edgrrr…
Furthermore… brass shells, roll, in a tight circle… unless, Tiger uses a putter, to lift and, lob, the shell…
I’m going to fine tune this question hoping to get an answer this time. Ready?
Is it your position that there was no blood on the bottom of the bullet either? Because under your theory, I am assuming that the blood had dried completely after four days, so there would be no blood to smear on the shell once it landed on the splatter. So your contention is the brass was clean of blood other than perhaps microscopic amounts?
(I don’t know the answer to this question. I’m just curious. I do find it curious, an in support of your theory that neither side of the aisle made very much if any mention of the bullet or the testing thereof.)
… No microscopic particulates, or, paint job, to it… dry, means, dry… as in, a separate drime, 1,2,3,4, days after the precision, high priest, blood oath, blood atonement kill; as evidenced, by the time, at temperature, it took the blood to dry, so as to prove, that these were two crimes… blood drying days, apart… Also, the office people knew, Jodi, was there; when, were they called to testify, to the dates, between, or after, she arrived, and, when they claim, she left so her cell phone, and, bank deposit dates, could prove, she was long gone, from the soap opera… as proven by the time, necessary, for the blood to dry, then, to reveal, she was long gone, when the set Jodi up for this, was getting done…Then, there’s the new tiara, in waiting, sobbing at the sidelines, over, the wicked witch, of the west, getting her cauldron stirred, by, Travis, being so afraid of, Jodi… yet, not one of his groupies, came to his rescue, and, instead, posed, with, the same evil smirk, and, left him there to die. Maybe, that’s why, so many hands were necessary to pull this joint project off… This, charade, is just beginning….. now that the ringers of organized crime at law, have revealed their lack of, integrity… Why didn’t the guy, who left the partially dried blood, footprint, not, call the cops, unless, he did the kill, or, was at least the one who did the final setup; as evidenced, by no bleeding from those stabbings, or, the gunshot??? The heart stopped working, , four days, before; proving, that, it was a secondary crime, for the purpose, of, setting a hysterical, Jodi, up for it; contradicting, the precision blood oath, blood atonement, agreed to ascension, to planet, playboy, and, all those virgin angels… , that, a livid, jealous, anybody, would not do. if, so livid with jealousy; now, would they ??? Also, do you see, the weasely bishop, coming forward to tell us, who, ratted, Travis, out, for his blood atonement redemption appointment… Who knew, Jodi, was with, Travis; when, did they know, and, in knowing, who, decided that, for five days, after knowing, nobody, fearing for his safety, bothered to check on him; while the others were packed for their Cancun trip…??? Determine the known time of her cell phone calls, her distance, from the scene, and, note the blood drying time, to show, she was long gone when the setup, was going on… Just more reasonable doubt, that, she was even there, during the setup; and, why would she set herself up, and, or, whatwith, all that premeditation, and, gasoline, after such a precision kill…. she could have just, driven away, after burning the evidence…….??? Edgrrr…
Wouldn’t, I, agree, that with a camera dangling from her wrist, that, she wasn’t taking peekcherzzz… whatwith, sending him off, to all those virgins, with a bang…? that, was thoughtful…. If, one prosecutorial, lizard at law in this whole country, can be believed; there must be at least three dozen reasonable doubts, that a million bucks, plus, is adequately, enough, bribing, the socalled, defense; how, exactly, but, by, so much per, concealment.. Edgrrr………
Perhaps, as there is evidence to suggest it, the defense is being paid in dunkin donuts. I am willing to consider that based on my observations of the court proceedings.
Amen to dunkin donuts, being of higher priority, than telling us who done it, after five years, of concealing the facts; as if the AZoles, don’t know, after five years of sucking their thumbs…The millionaire bribed lieyers, can buy donut shops… Edgrrr…
Tamara, I concur with your court room observations! And, I do believe some ‘Nice n Easy’ may have been thrown in, as well.
Rose, whutz a nice and easy…??? Edgrrr…
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Hello Fellow Bloggers,
Has anyone seen the 2012 Lifetime Movie entitled “Blue Eyed Butcher- about the Susan Wright story. I’m not sure when she killed her husband, but, there are so many parts to her story that match JA’s story. She claimed the husband physically and verbally abusive; she stabbed him countless times(over 100); tried to clean up the blood; dragged him outside and buried him. She also couldn’t remember a lot of what happened. Right off the top, the lawyer said they would plead self-defense. Based on witness statements, etc., I personally think Susan Wright was abused, and snapped. But I also think JA may know about this case and is attempting be a copycat in court.
Smitsa… The movie scenario, is about, equal to being accused of writing in English… because, that’s been done, before… too… There’re the cold calculations, too, to be considered; why, would she, being so diabolical, not, invent her own script, so you couldn’t make your observation…???
…….Why is a raven like a writing desk,thee asks… hmmmm…. Why is a raven… Be-Caws…. and… a desk can’t write, becaws, like the raven, it has no hands… that will have to do…
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Safety, is here, against, the reptillian illiterati, because, real people will call the lizards on their warp and twist, of the English language; because, it must be true that the validity of our laws, is, dependent, upon the definition of the words, whose meaning does not, change by adding other words to it…spastic, condescenders, notwithstanding… Someday, these lizards at law, will be forced to reveal, that they’re on the side of the bimbo, they’ve bought into… no better punishment, could be had….getting what they’re giving… Case in point, the troll penguin traipsing, through the tulips…. Edgrrr….
Just poppin in for a second, my favored adversary. I have a legal issue of my own atm, and the petitioner just made an ass of herself on the TeeVee! It was divine. But now I must moderate the website and drink in celebration. I may be too busy to return for a few. Please wait in the basement. I would ask that you be nice to Rose, but she sort of asked for it… I mean clearly you were a snake when she chose to pick you up right? And I find her presence down here, with us a bit distracting….
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Thee, no split, until the Edgar Raven Poe riddle be solved…
no spilting. Pimping my site at a very opportune time. 🙂 Meanwhile, why not give me a 357 word recap of the damn book. You know I am not going to read it.
Read Brigham Youngs,’ admonitions… on the net… “Is there a man among us who would not kill his brother, to save his eternal soul ?” How’s that for a doorway, into the twilight zone…?????
Can I just acknowledge the whackadoodleness of the LDSers without wasting my time reading that crap? What’s it called when both sides agree to admit something into evidence again? Sorry I am drinking for the first time since Fat Tuesday basically. You are getting Drunk Tamara tonight.
Tamara, I shall bow out gracefully.
Tamera….success, in court, is always, easy enough; just, impugn the socalled “your honor,” watch his conniving ass, bluster, and then, get the lieyer, to make an excuse, for the law god, to be able to launder his own stupidity, by, laying it on the lieyer… it always works well, against those so willing to slither out of their own trap…with their only contribition to the process; dis-honor… Edgar…
in re fantasies… Rose… was a dig, at the whirling dervish, delusions, sleazing this noncase, like a dog; because, he can… who needs reality; need I spell everything, out to you ?… when a good, prosecutorial, soap opera, fantasy, will do…???
I was pretty sure my comment would go over your head, Edgar.
What went over my head, Rose…??? You must tell me what you think you mean and what you mean, you, think… lest, inside out theories get passed on being actual facts; as, actual facts, will not be obscured by a sleight of mind, gyrating, spastic, disingenuous, penguin in a tutu, nor, his blind, leading the blind, disciples; seeking his autographs…nor, mothers who think they’re being insulted, for not getting even with crooked cops, who, rot, the good guys; they, know who they are…so as to show the kids, that the system, actually works, with, facts, and, witnesses, and ads, seeking others, scammed by the same gestapo policy writers, and, hidden taxation, gluttons… So, do tell, about your school of hard knocks, and, let’s see the pattern of potentate abuses, by the religiofascists, letting, brainwashees, do their dirty work… It took a freight train to do what was done to Travis, not, a mouse… The killers are like the bootlicking stories, as bad as the ones’ Jodi, has been compelled to, contradict, when she no more did these two crimes; four days apart, unless we’re to believe the blood dried the minute it hit the deck, , than your average LSDer… sucking up to the potentates…. Somebody, took the blood oath, blood atonement, ritual suicide, seriously… and, from the looks of all the hands, stirring the cauldren, I’m guessing, it was a community, lynching. No doubt, travis had his hands into the wrong, pie…. Nobody, does such mayhem, without, a reason, commensurate with the “victim,” provocation… Jodi, had no reason; she got what, when, where, and, how much, whenever; while the other groupies, steamed…. So, where’s the real, motive, and, facts, that are concealed from the process…??? Tell me, you all, do not smell a rat, taking five years, to, grow evidence, so, Sir Spazalot, can get another slam dunk…??? So, why, is he so nervous, and, spastic, if not by lying in every question, not,, under oath…in testifying… and, why aren’t the jurors, quizzing, these lizards at law; they’re the criminals, perpetrating this soap opera… Edgrrr…
Edgar, can you just make all your responses in the box at the bottom? The end key will bring your right here. I LOATHE seeking out your nested comments. It’s time consuming and annoying.
What I came to say is that YOU CANNOT BRING IN POPEYE NOW. You never mentioned him before. Popeye was not there with Olive Oyl. Stick to one fairytale or another!
Negative, Sunshine…. there are no rules, this is a soap opera, turned inside out, with the delusions, being contradicted by the evidence, with, a hypnotrickster, Sir Dramamine, ad nauseum, Spazalot, presiding; with his spastic, shucking and jiving, court jester, carnival, side show; boobing and bobbing, like a penguin in a tutu… Charlie Chaplin, strobe light side show; lulling everyone, into his comatoast hypnotrick, while ignoring the evidence, that he didn’t find a way to conceal… There, has always been the presense of, Popeye, dragging Bluto,, off, Olive Oyl, and, with the strength to do so, which, she ,no way in hell, could have done, while being pinned down; her 130 pounds, under his 200 plus pounds, and he, being a wrestler, fighter, weightlifting bodybuilder. Look around, at those in his inner circle, and, you can interpret that, anyway, you choose; to see, that, being a guru, develops, those, so smitten, regardless, of gender; some of which, required convincing, that they, had a special bond, that excluded, Jodi; to the extent of, them, peeking in windows, cutting tires, and, whatever else, they could set, Jodi, up for, yet, Travis, wimped in sight of her; Cancun or no Cancun trip… Do recall his mewling snivel…”I’m just a dildo to you, with, a heart.” Was his comment, that, “I don’t know which of us is the axe murderer ,” not suggest his other statement, as to how ashamed, guilty, and, conflicted he was after, having sex with her; of course, translated, until he got horny again, and, all, translated into the punishment he’d recieve, if, the bishop ever found out ? well, guess wht, someone with serious issues, with Travis, did, rat him out to the bishop,. and, of course, falsely accusing, Jodi, or, not, the bishop, will, claim, “privilege,” and, not, tell us who that lead to a more likely suspect, is… will he…??? Of course not, from a “religion,” that is slathered in secret and, satanic rituals, that are so “out there,” that, all of we infidels, couldn’t possibly, comprehend… what… that a murder is not a murder, at all, but, is, a doctrine, [law], and, covenant, [contractual agreement], sacred spiratual rite, to save ones’ eternal soul; and, of course ascend to planet playboy, with all those virgin angels… This soap opera reeks of concealed evidence, and, that, surely accounts for Sir dramamine ad nausem Spazalots,’ only excuse for his nervous spastic side show… if, you want to believe it’s not, part of his act; then, it is part of his concealments…… Edgrrr…
Been there, done that; that’s why I have nine children…
Okay, I am done for a bit now. I have tweeted OPRAH ffs. and emailed a producer and the tsunami usually takes longer. I’ve learned not to wait for it, it comes when it comes…
So where were we? Ah yes, it seems that now while I am distracted a bit… you want to introduce Popeye into the crime scene when he has never been brought up before. Do tell.
Edgrrrr ,
I have NOT READ THIS… I am leaving it here in a comment section I do read to come back to later. I have no idea what it says I read up to “The Road Less Traveled”
Interrogated by Detective Flores, J.A. mentions a book she had been reading :
M.Scott Peck, M.D.’s ” The Road Less Traveled” (1978). He has written other books :
“People of the Lie” (1982) and “Glimpses of the Devil : A Psychiatrist’s Personal
Accounts of Possession, Exorcism and Redemption” (2005). Did J.A. come upon
“The Road Less Traveled” after Alexander described her as Satanic ? None of the
theories of the 4 mental health experts has explained to me why J.A. would stab
multiple times and then shoot him. The eternal verities, among them, demonic
possession, makes a lot more sense to me. It explains why J.A. (as she told JdM)
felt “empty” inside. In religious terms, her immortal soul (the real J.A.) got smaller and smaller taken over ( perhaps from a very early age ) by another presence.
JdM’ s theory of J. M.’s fear of abandonment/clinging desperately to men ? I can’t
think of anything worse than the desolation stemming from isolation from G…
She turned to Wicca. Who of us hasn’t fooled around with some form of the
occult ? She converted to Mormonism which is a type of occultism. At one point
in the trial J. A. speaks about certain men advanced spiritually, who are given the
secret advanced teachings of Mormonism : the secret, hidden to fellow humans
( including women) occult teachings. Those of us brought up in the
Judeo/Christian tradition ( when we choose to remember ) know that G…
abominates occultism and other false gods. There is no religion that does not have its pantheon of evil spirits. Given my theory ( no better or worse than the
human-generated psychological theories competing in this trial ) who really
wins if the State of Arizona puts JA to death ? Is the real criminal being
prosecuted ? Occasionally, I see something else leering out of J.A.’s face, something
else moving her tongue obsenely around the inside of her mouth, as she sits at the defence table, some other presence on a world wide media stage spewing filth
over all of us who watch this trial. His Satanic Majesty, a media star, who has weakened the Roman Catholic and Anglican Churches through sexual scandels, is
making headway with the Mormans, and stirring up more wars in which we
humans , who he hates, die. Martinez is smart, JdM is smart, but HSM is the
smartest of all. He’s convinced us sophisticated humanists that he doesn’t
exist : the world gets worse and worse : but there he is, as bold as can be, right in
front of us. As for JA there’s not much of her/soul left. What pathetic remnant that
remains, the majority of people want the State of Arizona to kill off. I keep wondering what the Jesuit psychiatrist W. Meissner S. J. who wrote a book on the
psychology of St. Ignacious of Loyolo, would make of J.A. ? Would he find the holiest priest exorcist still left in the Roman Catholic Church, and discuss her case ? How
I wish Wilmott could snatch JA out of His Satanic Majesty,s jaws and place her
in the hands of an exorcist far tougher than Juan Martinez. That’s my favourite
hypothetical outcome for this morality play trial where the forces of good are
contending with the forces of evil.
And… for those who admit, that they’re unconvinced, either way, I say to youse, that, I’ll just add you to the reasonable doubt, column… That will more clearly define that, no opinion, is of course, a get out of jail, card… Thank you for your services… and, cheers for admitting that we don’t have to have an opinion… this is the job, of the blood and the brass; and, mice do not derail freight trains… Then there’s Popeye, looming, to make right…… Edgrrr…
Rose, etal…You might as well tell me what, I’m saying, since, trying to deny the facts, is giving you a headache. Will the truth, not, set you free…??? As for the bishop, being the killer, I doubt he’d have the courage, of his stated convictions; especially, with his serene potentate position. Surely, there are thousands of , LSDers, who take, literally, what, is now, claimed to be symbolic; yet, with all of those murdered, in the aftermath of Brigham Youngs’ admonitions, for reasons, more base, than the love it took, to murder them, so as to add another Stepford Wife to his collection, and, with all the latter day potentates, still, BYU… be, why, you…is that not, a question ???… is still a revered name among the chosen ones. You know the worthy, palace, practitioners…Splain that one, Judge Judy…and, Rose, etal, good to see you stand up for your children; I have nine; there’s little I don’t know, about what the pubic education does to little children… and, ditto, men in black dresses; en-farce-ing their ownership of all the kids; from selling their birth certificates, into worldwide commerce, to teaching them, prig-o-nometry… Edgrrr…
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Ahhh sssso, grasshopper, and, the cute wittle camera, strap, wrapped around the wrist, to keep the camera, from falling, let the camera fall… when, a gunshot past her head, shell shocked her, and the camera, to the floor, together; tied by the cute wittle strap, as evidenced by the downward blurred pictures…… just another, what if; with, so many, it’s really hard to know which twilight zone, episode, sounds best…and, with, a gunshot, first, now, second, and, after four days, a third time; all, by the magic bullet…which really got a-round… Edgrrr…
There’s the overlooked, matter of govern mentals, eating their young… as in, laying off, all those cops. Likely, some of the good guys, got the axe, and, this site gives them the forum, to rat out the rats, in the department; by telling us, what Spazalot, is, concealing Eleven, gunshot, home invasion robberies… in, Mesa, since, Jodi, was locked up, and, couldn’t have done them, either…and, how many bullets fired from the same “lost gun,” as Jodi, is accused of using…??? Edgar…
Hey Edgrrrr….yer gonna love this…reports out of AZ say they have found a gun..
Michael Kiefer @michaelbkiefer 21 Apr
I’m hearing a .25 caliber gun was found near Hoover Dam, where Jodi says she disposed of hers, and authorities are checking it out.
This guy is a fairly credible source.
I gots the narcolepsy but I wanted to get your reaction…
Sounds pretty, incontrovertible, and, long overdue, five years, later… damning, at worst; but, even then, not, explaining, Popeyes’ jealousy, seeing Bluto, cheat on him.; caught, sodomizing a girl; the beassssttt…… and, aiming more toward Jodi, being complicit, as far as getting rid of the gun, which, would be the plan, since, there no incontrovertible facts, which, still will prove that a mouse can whip a rhino.; didn’t happen… As for the lethality, of a BB gun .25 caliber gunshot, being all that final; one needs to read the ballistics reports, about how guys, shot, multiple times, with .25 caliber, bullets, really got, pissed off…but, still, not explaining, that, Popeye was the only one tough enough to take out, Travis, and, still, not explaining, where the mouse, got the horsepower to derail a train… Also, saying she got rid of the gun, near the dam, would not confess, the gestapos’ clue to plant the gun, after taking it from another home invasion robbery, now, would it; considering the news blackouts, regarding, the Manson clone, and, the eleven home gunshot, invasions; for, getting the State off the civil rights, lawsuit, hook, and, launder the religious fanatic, angle; as if, no cop, ever carried a throwaway gun… Now, whatwith, that, fantasy, not being good enough for you, maybe, OJs gloves, were found, too… and, maybe, the gun, they supposedly found, is not, the grandfathers,” gun, in the first place… Surely, the evidence locker, had a few concealable .25s to choose from… and, considering the socalled “chain of evidence,” and, the hypnoantics, of Sir Spazalot, nauseating the jury, with his spastic, carnival act… what’s not, just as likely; she ditched “the gun,” and, the gestapo, just happened to find it… or, the killers took the hint, and, put it where it could be found, After all, who, heard the testimony, where she claimed to have thrown it ? Are you sure that with all you lynch mobsters wanting her, dead, that the gestapo, didn’t find, 25.25s… all, planted by the lynch mobsters, who just know, she did it, and, only admitted to one ??? OOOOhhh, we be impressed… Let’s see them find the other stuff, and, the floor mats… right… and, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell, you…How else do cops float their cons, without, an evidence locker full of unused, clues…??? I’ll bet they don’t have any bloody floormats, to plant… and, surely; don’t call you Shirley; none of these soap opera episodes, are conclusive… considerig how stupid the cops are; Furrman; a veteran cop, “confessing, ” to a perjury charge, about having used the X word, nine years ago, instead of ten years ago, when all he had to say was, “Duh, I never was good at rithmatix; counting all the way to ten” How much was his bribe; ruining his life with a confession to perjury ??? Then there’s goofy Marc Carr, confessing, to Jon Benet, soap opera, so he could escape what dirty deeds going to Thigh-land, for… and, hitching a free ride, home… is he in jail, for five years, or, wasn’t there another Sir Spazalot, on the job, to burn him, for his “confession ?” Was he, prosecuted, for murder ? And, now, youse guys, accept as gospel, Jodis’ whipped out of her, “confession” when all her other recollections, were lies; with, the only difference, now, she’s whipped into, charading, is , this isc what, you want to hear…
Do run Kiefer what’shisname,and, see what doesn’t happen… regarding the “found, pistol.” Nada… ???
As for winding up my vitriola, it ain’t no broken record, I’ve been playing, for nearly five years, combatting all these third grade Nobel laureate, rejects, and, by the dozens, the only rebuttals to the blood and brass proofs that scuttles, Napoleons’ dinghy, has been, name calling, and only one death threat, because, Steven Alexander, thinks, I don’t think, I’m funny enough… how’s that, compute, while the real killers are out there, smirking at all you partyline propagandists, and, the shivering gestapo, who’s afraid of them……??? And, as if, real killers are as crooked as the lizards at law, who, feed on their droppings… We can expect lizards at law, to, burn a not guilty, girl, who can’t defend herself, or, pay the kings, two million dollars, ransom, but, no self respecting dope dealer, could possibly be as lowdown, as these lizards at law…Where are the thought police, to arrest, for internet, death threats…??? Maybe, Steven should replay his broken record, death threat, again, for us’ns who don’t love our brothers enough to kill them to save their eternal soul… maybe, Stevens use of the antiquated word “fornication,” is a clue, to his time warp, of LSD old time religion, when Brigham Youngs’ underlings, killed their brothers, out of love, or, greenness of envy, to save their eternal souls…… How about it, Steven; did you get arrested for the death threat, yet ??? Jodi, thinks you need a shock collar… And, what’s the big hurry, to get this lid nailed down on a not guilty person, while, your brothers killers are still, free ??? Do you love your brother enough to see to it that his killers, get nailed…??? Then, there’s the prison blue ink tattooed Charles Manson forehead, swastika, guy, 8 August 2011, as I recall, at, Y-RICO, organized crime at law, county, arrested, with, a trunk full of explosives, military stuff, night vision sniper rifle, and, bombs; who got himself arrested, outside a bar, and, his excuse, was: “I’m on a mission…. [ LSD term ]…. to kill someone, and, commit suicide…” And, there’s no connection, [??? ] so, why the news blackout, and, no comment, about, who has the horsepower, to get a guy to travel, a thousand miles; plus, or, minus, to the scene of his orders to kill, and, then to kill, himself… as proven by his trunk full of paramilitary explosives, et al… and, his voluntary confession to the gestapo…??? Try to find the news report, to verify, it… just try… also, try to find any news emphasis about the eleven home invasions, with, gunshots, there in Mesa, since, Jodi, was locked up, and, couldn’t have done them, either… How many of those bullets came from the same .25 caliber gun…? How many, had the same proximity…? How many, had the same trajectory.. and… How many of the laid off cops were the good guys…??? And, what’s the difference if, Jodi, rings up another million bucks a year, for this soap opera… and, since when, does crime, not, pay??? Tell that to all the salivating, lizards at law, and their brain dead judges… Then, ask yourselves, why not one reasonable doubt, of the dozens posted, have reached the jury ??? Not, one; what do you think, million dollars, plus, bribes are for…there, in Wonderland, Arizona; a State, so corrupt, that, you’d think you were in Schizofornia… and, so bad, that Mexicans, have enough class, to not want it back… Edgrrr…???
Has the Juanderer, been debunked, yet, or, is the brain dead judge still, nauseating, her, complicity, as the gestapo, grows, evidence…??? all, backwards; punishment, trial, evidence, last; all, extortionary antics, under color of law… Whos’s going to confess to all the other .25 caliber guns, found ? Pick one; fire it, twice; one, for proof, that the other, was switched with the bullet of the first bullet…and, is a bullet of the second bullet.. You can always tell, when lieyers are lying; their lips are moving…Edgrrr… The gloves, if soaked in hot water, would have fit, if, anybody, wanted to convict… How many, home invasion robbery bullets, match the ballistics, of the gun, claimed found ? That, should tell us, which actual crime. that gun was swiped out of the evidence locker, for / from… and, how many ballistics, bullet, comparisons, since Jodi, was locked up… could have been switched…and, who’s to say that Travis was actually shot, with a .25 caliber gun, in the first place, given the blood drying time element,and, the just happened to find, clean as a whistle, a brass shell, sitting in a sea of blood; just as likely, a planted “clue.” How do we even know, he was shot, considering, there was no way, a mouse, could derail a freight train, without a bullet; more, dedicated, police work…??? Edgrrr…
They used to tell us that putting a penny on the tracks could derail the train. I think it’s just a good way to smash a penny, but part of me thinks it could happen. I would think that a mouse on the track holding a camera, might derail the train if the train was surprised by the mouse with the knife in the shower.
The most effective indirect approach is one that lures or startles the opponent into a false move — so that, as in ju-jitsu, his own effort is turned into the lever of his overthrow.
– Sir Basil H. Liddel-Hart
But mostly, I just came to tell you good night!
AHHHHHH SSSSSSSO…. Grasshopper… and,Joe Jitsu, would suspect, nothing, after setting her brain on fire; just getting all his perversities, wrung out,and, tightroping on the edge of his, needling,contempt, to see how much he can get away with, as evidenced by the shower picture look; as in uhoh, I shouldn’t have done that…As you can see, there are lots of ways to interpret what is suspected, but, that fact of, uncertainties, just proves, more, reasonable doubt.; none of which can prove that an Olive Oyl, can overpower, Bluto,without, shooting him, first; which, Sir Spazalot, has now, wimped out from his proof of premeditation, even, agreed to by such competent and effective, defense ingenuity, yet, now, admitting, as the blood and the brass issues, prove, that, the gunshot was last, as in four days later, when the blood was dry, as the ejected shell, bounced onto the,blood island.; yet, the State, with such a slam dunk noncase, has to bribe the defense; getting over a million dollars, to, perjure the record, and, burn their conspiratorially chosen victim . Another million bucks and the “defense,” can pay the two million dollar, ransom,for this prosecutorial, kidnapping… Let me count the ways… Edgrrr…
We’ve already established, that the wittle strap, allowed the camera to dangle, while, it took pictures, anyway, all by itself, with nobody, pushing the button…so, the camers could tell on Jodi, dragging, Travis’s 200 plus pounds, already dead, into, the shower, in accordance with, blood oath, blood atonement, ritual, sacrifice… “Is there a man, among us, who would not, kill his brother, to save his eternal, soul?” Read the books, “religions,” really should be careful, what they preach, lest they get entrapped by their own devices… and, those they dupe into, believing… Edgrrr…
Well, bless your little feelers…. Edgrrr…
Then… there’s the matter, of how many bullets were in the grandfathers, gun, and, the comparison to the rest of the bullets in the box, as to make, model, and, number, left in the box. Then the socalled found gun, actually, being the grandfathers’ gun, and, of course, DNA from the gun and, whatever bullets, are remaining; including, the one in the gun that misfired… and,of course prints, on the unfired bullets, proving who touched the bullets, to load them; and, if there are no bullets in the gun, where did they go…??? And, why would a grandfather, with guns, have one gun, with one bullet in it, and, how would Superwoman, be able to see through the semi automatic pistol, to identify the one gun, that, had one bullet in it ??? And, why, with such premeditation, travel over a thousand miles, carrying cans of gasoline, yet, packing a gun, for a one bullet, siege…??? More reasonable doubts… how many do you require…??? Edgrrr…
“No way could she have sat there, for four days…” Good; more proof that she was long gone when the gun was fired… because the shell, landed upon dried blood, four days after the killing… of course, unless you can prove the gunshot, was first, and the shell, hovered until the blood dried, so as to not get its’ tutu, wet… This has got to be the most simpleminded, soap opera ever… Edgar…
Does anyone other than Edgar understand his four day theory of blood drying? [JudgeStephens] I see no hands. [/JudgeStephens]
Four days, for the blood to dry, enough, to not, smear the careening ejected shell, landing upon, a dried blood island, with, wet blood, is, like the hovering in the air, ejected brass band; ready to play “don’t cry for me, Arizona”… patiently waiting for the blood to dry so the brass doesn’t get wet, as in, not dried, blood, to stain the brass’s tutu… and, your judiciary, intelligence, issue, is, that, you don’t like my time line; therefore the brass band, could have played one or, two days earlier, than the benefit of the doubt, four days, I decided, rationally, I imagine; to illustrate, how the em-phah-sis is again placed upon the wrong sil-lah-bull, as an evasion of the whole truth, and, nothing but… to wit: while, Jodi, was halfway [we can obscure again by arguing the distance] to Utah, ready to jump, someone elses’ bones, proving of course that her self esteem, was alive and, well, and, did not predicate, upon manna from, King Alexander… some moron, was setting her up for the precision kill, by such an incongruent, haphazard, second crime, as in, nothing like the precision kill, crime of four days, prior… at which, then, the shot was fired… after the blood was already dried… one, two, three, or, four days after the killing, so, saith the blood and the brass; commonly referred to as, physical evidence; which, should be before a jury, so as to determine, that, snivelling, about, the number of days it took the blood to dry, is no excuse to not notice that while Jodi was being set up, she was down the road… Now, what part of common sense, escapes youse guys…??? Why, are all our combined controversies, being concealed from the court ? Because, in the words of the condescending, lieyer, “I don’t have time to read the internet…” She can tell you what her exact words were, while explaining, how she became a millionaire, sending a not guilty person to prison… The reason you see no hands, is because these druids are too busy stirring their cauldrons… Forensics can tell which day, to choose, at temperature, so as to negate the physical evidence, dodge, because, not knowing the exact minute the brass band can begin, does not negate the realities, as “testified,” too, by the blood and the brass… While all you partyline propagandists, are pandering to the lizards at law, parasites, these thieves, are sucking up your money, with a spastic, court jester, leading you all around, hanging on to his tutu…while evasion, leads you to the innocuous non point, that; how do you know it was four days; when, it could haf been five minutes, earlier… so, just throw out the whiners, with the cauldron water…. Does anyone, not, get, it, that a clean, as in not, wet blood smeared, brass, frog, sitting in the middle of a pond full of frozen blood, will not get his tutu, wet…??? Oh look, children… there’s Spot… see Spot… see Spot, run… idiots… Edgrrr….
TamaRattles… where you beeennn… your, public, awaits… and, I, too, as to how, the soap opera, fared, with another day, in-tear-ogation…??? Edgrrr…
Well… Comes the dawn…. finally, the peanut gallery, speaketh…It is lonely, at the top…. without a third grade Nobel laureate, reject, to rattle… Edgrrr… Where’s your full report, as to why the brain dead jugge, cans a juror, for talking to the Alexander clan, after, ordering it kept quiet, for two weeks, until her exposure, made her burn the juror, to get herself, off the hook; while holding this soap opera, as if, there wasn’t a known collaborator, conversing, outside court, about this noncase…Surely, that’s grounds for a mistrial… and, but for being exposed, the judge, would have relied, upon the gag order, to to keep up her fifteen minutes of fame… Then, there’s the cop, who,ratted out the juror, who said he was a jury member… How does that compromise the alleged integrity of the system…??? The cop should have been gagged, just like the like those who knew of the juror… seething in the spectator seat, realizing that she, got burned, while the judge, gets away with it… and, now, why, are these jurors getting canned, for, thinking…??? Thinking, is the enemy of the reptillian, illiterati, cabal… Edgrrr… Why, no mistrial…??? Who, watches the judge…???
Tamara… See to it that each juror, gets, all of this, and, let’s watch them conceal their reaction, for, being so defrauded, by Sir Barf Bag Spazzalot…. Edgrrr…
Ummm. No.
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[Hand in the back… meanie-genie, yes?]
Not in the slightest, but the bullet-in-tutu image was a little bit funny.
Heh. Jane, Edgar stays here in this post and has a special set of rules. He’s our token Jodi is Innocent person and is extended every courtesy to make his case. ssshhhhhh 🙂
Tis a token, for a triumph over lizards at law…. I, seek… Reasonable Doubt, is its’ name…Youse guys say she did it; I say, she didn’t… Forensics proves she never, fired a gun… so, how did the mouse, derail the train…??? Surely, that’s a fair question… one, at a time, so as to not, overload your Arias Bias… And, how did the mouse, become the hulk, with the strength to nearly, decapitate, Travis…??? Edgrrr…
Nah… I’m for due process of law, not, organized crime, at, law… Innocence, or, guilt, is best determined by, irrefutable facts, that, transcend, pious, motivational gurus, duping, twinkies, into, their own eligibility, for, transcendance, from planet evil, to, planet, playboy, with, all those virgin angels; a reward, for worldly perversities… and, not, by, quasireligious, corporate, bishops, concealing, the relevance, of, mercy killing, unredeemable miscreants, for the “greater good…” and, the eternal souls of said, church doctrine and covenant, scofflaws… Do, bother to read “The God Makers,” for clarity…. if, your Arias Bias, can stand the test, of, actual, reality… …As for, Jodis’ innocense; that, should be determined, or, not, by the actual facts; not, some fairytale, extracted, by hypnotricking, spastic, shucking and jiving, carnival, side shows… Edgrrr…
My own set of rules; you say…??? You can find them in 260 years, of res judicata… you know, all those copyrighted law books, that real people have no legal right to use, and, therefore, have no actual right to defense against these dis-honor-ables… Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth , and, nothing but, the truth, so help you the whitehouse, messiah..?. Good, now sit down’shut up, and, answer the questions, yes, or, no…Who says, these chameleons at law, are above the law…??? Edgrrr…
The law, is innocent… the lizards at law, are guilty. Two hundred plus, years, of settled case law, protects us all, from, jackbooted gestapo, lizards at law, and, prejudicial, enemies, of all we allegedly stand for…All you bootlicking, savages, have spawned, the likes, of the govern mentals, we all, are stuck with… in time, to do unto you, what, your indolence and ignorance, has created… Edgrrr… Theses lizards at law, see fit, to extort, $50,000 a year from the sheeple, to house, all, the criminals, the likes of youse guys, create, yet, cannot, provide jobs, for half, that amount…. glorify, barroom bouncers, and, schoolyard bullies, for gestapo cops … and, “Your Honor,” law school, derelicts, to,control, our lives… Do you, really, deserve any better…???? Jodis’ setup, soap opera, is, a fate, many will, suffer, while, quasireligious, criminals, slither under the radar… Grrr…
I do notice a separated set of rules; common sense, and, due process… all others, are simpleminded hivespeak, by the systemic goose stepping, illiterati… edgrrr… DE notice that this is about the twentieth site, shut out, by, not one rebuttal to the facts, as forensics scientific evidence has proven… Edgrrr…
What if, all the jurors came in, shucking and jiving, in solidarity, with the comatoaster, Sir Dramamine, ad nauseum Spazalot, so, he can see how successfully he’s getting away, with his carnival, side show ??? The court jester, is a cartoon character, in keeping with this Alice in Wonderland/ Twilight Zone/ Spinach eaters, schizoidal, fairytale. as if, “finding,” the gun, the cops very well could have planted, as, embezzled from a subsequent, home invasion crimesite, we’re to believe the temerity, of the gestapo, hired by these criminals at law, whose noncase is so lame, they have to give up a two million dollar bribe, to buy off the defense team, that doesn’t even know what they’re doing, in the first place… Such a slam dunk non case; and all these lizards at law, backed down by a girl… This is a great audition, for Jodi, being the only one with any class, despite, being brainwashed into Travis’s perversions… One juror, and, one reasonable doubt; who will be that juror ? Will the real juror, step forward… Edgrrr
Where do you live, Edgar where asshole shots and climbing through doggy doors and hiding behind Christmas trees and slashing tires is classy?
You should ask…. why would anybody who had the codes, and passwords, needed to crawl through a doggy door, and, why, a doggy door should be big enough to admit, all the home invasion robberies, there in blueblood acres, where, “nothing like this, ever happens…???” And, another slam dunk, conviction, to be watched, while slashing tires, and, hiding behind Christmas trees, that,.didn’t get a visit, by the gestapo; why, because, the watcher, couldn’t admit that they were peeping Toms. watching the watcher..??? Let’s all make our doggy doors big enough and print Bluto, over them; that’ll show those starving home invaders; and to be politically correct, lets have a mini door, for, Olive Oyl,;not too big, lest she get sucked in to that psychological, vacuum…… And, let’s save the gunshot, for last; just as it did; while she was boogying on down the road, dialing, 555-1212… long distance information. time and date records, can choose for us, the first, second, third, or, fourth day, while the blood was drying, and, while, the guy on the other end of the bootprint, who, didn’t call the cops, was setting Jodi, up… Surely, Shirley, honest and, rational people with so much respect for law and order, will, not, like sheep, cowdown to jackbooted gestapo, without a bleat, and, even let a 12 year old Valley Girl, with the cutesy, abbreviated word undings, and a curtsy, after every speech…burgle the Whitehouse… and, real people, have no prejudicial, mania, for “my rope;mine, mine; you hang her, with my rope”… morons, without a bleat, that the brain dead judge has watched this charade, without a psych report, to prove that all these lizards at law, are fit to stand, their victims’ trial…. Your, what-ness…. Edgrrrrr…
Standing; a girl, alone; against a nation of Gestapo boot licking, fascist feeding frenzy lizards at law, is, pretty classy… We have prisons full of innocent peoplle, who caved; while Joan of Ark, faces down her accusers; yet, all of you perusing your crystal ball, insist upon aborting due process, because, you, “just know, she did it…” Five years of Freddy Kruger and, green balogna sandwiches, and, mental midgets for lieyers, have shown her the futility of being, not guilty… ergo, “The Confession.” This charade, will not be over until, the spastic, hypnotricks, of ad nauseum, Spazzzalot, gets exposed… Next thing you know, he’ll be climbing the lost rope, up, into the clouds, after his whirling dervish act… Edgar…
Then, there’s the matter, of , being so badgered by this other Napoleon; two legged, dog; that, a girl, facing, this other, guru, motivational speaker, Sir Dramamine [commercial], ad nauseum Spazzalot; whose, sideshow carnival hypnotricks, have never lost a noncase… gets her mix all talked up, yup, whut I said… and, uses, “her own words,” elicited, by a gyrating penguin in a tutu, to, convict, herself… since,obviously, with, dozens of reasonable doubts, concealed by all these lizards at law, including the “your honor,” forensic facts, alone, can be lost, in all the obstructions of justice… and, of course, obscure the criminalities, of these lizards at law… Will, one, juror, wonder where all the facts have gone, there in Wonderland, and, question, why the crooked state, would expect a jury, to, convict someone, with, obviously bribed , “legal,” representation..who, contradicts, the physical proofs, that, by the states’ own forensics, proves, a not guilty, finding, due to no facts… proving, guilt, beyond, a reasonablr doubt .??? A… as in, one, reasonable doubt…. and, just one juror, incensed enough, by, Sir Spazzalots, whirling dervish, hypnotrick, carnival side show… then,an indictment, for the penguin in a tutu, whose act, has been, a sideshow, to obscure the states’ own, evidence; as in, obstruction of justice; for, continuing this charade at law, with, forensics’ evidence, disproving, the ruse, used to dupe two goobernatorials, into, denying an accused, the right to a reptillian at law, presense in all, stages of the proceedings; and, knowing of the court order, noting, “we have enough,” [to identify, the accused], and, knowing, that no action by her then, lizard at law, failure to challenge the now refuted allegations, that, she shot him first, to gain the advantage, necessary, to do the rest, of this Alice in Wonderland, soap opera, denied her, for two weeks, while the court, concealed, the extradition, order, precluding, her right to challenge it; and, despite the judges’ further antics, “we have enough,” as if, his judiciary, complicity, was legal, to, have concealed, the order, denying her the time, and, right to fight the unprovable grounds for the extradition, order, in the first place… predicated, upon the criminal antics, of the organized crime cabals, all, slithering, in concert; the question, gets begged; who, exactly, is the “WE,” who have had, enough; if, not, the organized crime at law, govern mental, mafia; whose tapdances at law, are no more or less than, control mechanisms, to, cowdown the sheeple…??? How’s it feel to find out, that what you think you believe, and, what you believe you think, has been forcefed to you, since the doctor, slapped you on the ass to make you breathe??? A preview, of things to come; getting slapped around, to wake you up, frrom your comas… Bitch slapping the stroboscopic, penguin in a tutu, would be a good, start… One, real, juror, of our peers, can do that… May the real peer, stand and be counted…morphing all the Arias Bias, into the dust, from where, you slithered…??? Edgrrr… The dragon slayer…
Just passing through, Edgrrrrrr. 🙂 Tomorrow Sir Spazzalot will have the super hot soap opera guy on the stand for the final witness. Are you surprised? He’s the “medical examiner” but is likely just a paid prop who went through all that schooling simply to be a hot guy to distract us all. It is working for me. I am sheeple. Tune in! xoxo ~t
Forensics, finally… you know my arguments… let’s see how Sir Spazzalot, evades the forensics’ proof, of no gunpowder particulates in the combined blood hand print, disproving, that she shot him, from the gitgo. and, that consequential to the facts, had, no such, premeditation… Let’s hear your, rendition, of, “My heart lies, dies and cries for you, Arizona…” and, let’s hear the evasion of the blood and brass drying time relevance to prove all, I have posted in nearly, five years of this soap opera… and, let’s hear a forensics expert, debunk, Sir Spazzalots’ sacrilege to the rule of law… Edgrrr…AND, let’s hear about the eleven home invasions, in Mesa, since Jodi, was kidnapped at law, wherein a gunshot to the head, and, others, had, similarities, to this non case, only the killer, knew about… and, exactly what, those similarities, were; proximity to the head, trajectory angle, and, of course, how many of those eleven shootings, involved, .25 caliber bullets… Let’s see if the State, has also bribed, forensics people… you can call such govern mentals, salaried; I, snidely, prefer to call, them, bribed… and, sarcastically, as charged, my pleasure…. Grrr….
Then there’s the delusion that , disintegrating, hollowpoint bullets,mush brains, then, reconstitute to end up in ones’ cheek, intact…as in gathering for a meeting, after the raid… Can you not see how simpleminded Sir Dramamine ad nasuseum Spazzzalot, is, to have to employ carnival, hypnotricks, to evade the States’ own evidence ??? A penguin in a tutu, would be more believable… Edgrrr…
I left out the word, sarcastic…??? I prefer, Snide, thank you… and, there’s proof again about the motif of morons; afraid to consider the message, and, condemning the messenger… Facts… not, Arias Bias… will do, in lieu of, the simpleminded, leading the stupid… Refute the blood and brass, facts, disproving, premeditation; disproving, she fired a gun; disproving, she had the strength, of a mouse, whipping a rhino; disproving, she was anywhere near the scene, by the time the blood was dry enough to not blood smear the brass… and, all, before the brass band, played, Don’t cry for me, Arizona; before, the organized crime at law, State, had to bribe the socalled defense, lizards at law, to, take a dive, in the eleventh round… ; before, The judge, wakes up from Sir Spazalors, induced, nauseating coma, and, declares a mistrial, for, concealment of the States’ own evidence… Dramamine, anyone…??? Edgrrr…
Tango… The old foot in the picture, caper… would you believe… that, it, proves the presense of, the actual, killer, or, complicitor, after the precision kill… due to the mans,’ shoe, in the partially dried bloody footprint, as, compared to Jodis’ foot… pictures, as in two distinctly different, feet…And, the foot in the picture, removes all doubt, of what… that, she was trying to morph his murder, by a man, strong enough to overpower, Travis, into, an eternal soul saving, blood oath, blood atonement, sacred, ritual…out of respect, not, hatred; despite the abuse he inflicted upon her…??? It’s easy to see that, interpretation, gets for you the prejudice you have; irrespective, of, reasonable doubt… and, that’s why, one juror in twelve, can overrule, lynch mobsters… That juror, has more power than all these lizards at law… no matter how much bribery, the state, embezzles from the sheeple, to give to the lieyers… Edgrrr…
You needn’t whisper; squeek up… Edgrrr…
And….If, she carried gasoline over a thousand miles, so that, by not stopping in Arizona, as a ruse, to evade detection… then by what convoluted logic, did she remove the front license plate, and, turn the other one upside down, and, expect not to get caught ??? And, whose fingerprints were found, on the upside down, license plate ??? And, guess what, children… the cops stopped her; why; because she was hiding from them, by, turning her license plate, upside down… More likely that his boyfriend, was hiding behind the same Christmas tree, and, peeking in the window, and, sneaked in and did the deed… and, no doubt, threatened her, into, oblivion, after just seeing what he was capable of…Edgar… More, reasonable doubt…
And… when John Law, pulled her over, he never smelled all that gasoline, and, searched the car… to find a pistol with one bullet in it, and, sent her on her way…???
I believe she was stopped early on in the trip regarding the license plate. Prior to buying the three cans of gas. Why did you damsel in distress buy all of that gas anyway? Your burn the house down theory is a dog that won’t hunt as she used the gas at least in part along the way.
“She used the gas, in part”… just contradicted being able, to torch the place…where, is it written, that the cans, all, had to be full, when, a cupfull, is adequate to arson anything, igniteable…??? The dog that will hunt, is Naloleon; to see how he responds to, all the other concealed, suspects, as well, as, Jodi. You think he didn’t sense the mayhem that was going on, and, who, was freaking out the whole house vibes…??? Wasn’t the dog, worthy of the test, to, see if “that dog won’t hunt,” instead of, someone unqualified as a dog shrink, to,decide for him…??? Why, is the sequence of when, on the trip, she was detained about the license plate, a contradiction, to the “we just know, she did it,” mob, whose opinion would have named her, even if she was in Siberia… and, not,proven to be, on her way…??? Circumstantial, non evidence; any which way; as in, reasonable doubt… Just another concealable, for Sir Spazzzalot, to, hypnotrick, his whirling dervish, act, over… Who needs facts, when, Sir ad nauseum Dramamine, Spazzzalot, is permitted to embezzle, due process, with, carnival, side show, tricks; shucking and, jiving, his, spastic, American Idol, audition…??? Whatwith, all that imaginary, premeditation, the fact, she bought, “all that gas,” would have burned the evidence, and, also, gotten her out of there; of course, since she didn’t burn anything, there goes a disconnection between premeditation, and, the stupidity of charging her, thereof, and therefore, for, what, she didn’t do; whereas, had she any such intent, it, would have been done… This is no more or less, than a carnival act, to feed the graft and extortion, for, the “Crime does pay,” lizards at law…
So… What happened with all the planted, .25 caliber pistols, planted by the zealots, and, who, got to leave the courtroom, with the claim as to where, she ditched it…as if, a plan to further the setup against a girl, was, not, still in the “get the gestapo off the hook,” stage…??? Edgrrr…
“I believe, too, for every drop of rain that falls, a lizard grows…. but, I usually, reserve, what I believe, to, what I can prove, so, I don’t have to rely upon, belief systems; B.S.; and, or, need to be told, what, I believe… because, I either know, or, else, what’s to believe… I might be hunting down Abel, to kill, to save his eternal, soul… such, dedication… Edgrrr…and, all those virgins…
What’s to believe?… Known or unknown, based upon common sense; that; is the answer; I think we’ve all had enough belief systems…
Edgar, did you see the pictures? Her foot by his body? That removes all doubt.
She’s your damsel in distress; having the same , oppose it sex… Why is it that, most of you lynch mobsters are Stepfraud Wives….???, and, not one of you have come to rescue one of your own…??? Could it be because, you respect the pimps, who abuse you…??? Has Sir Spazzalot, found your buttons…??? And, has the cue to “no Mexicans in my courtroom,” invalidated,Edgrrr… the whole soap opera… ???
“Stopped, early, on,” [ which; early, or, on; hivespeak ? ]…in Utah, as it happens… regarding the, police stop, and, smell of gasoline, and, the upside down, license plate, so, does this not, suggest that, since the office people, knew, Jodi, was there, that, one or more of them, turned the license plate, upside down, and, were at the house, precisely, while, Travis was being, Travis…??? Surely, Shirley, that license plate can be removed, and, fingerprinted, to, reveal, who, handled it… or, could have, but, for, the “we just know, Jodi, did it, mob,” influencing, the cops. So, if, the gestapo, was so convinced, of her guilt, why did they hold a public meeting, to assure the sheeple that, there ws no serial killer, on the loose, and, not bother to mention they already had, their targeted scapegoat, in jail? Her name was not, mentioned, in that, meeting…. Why’s that…??? Edgrrr…
Haven’t really heard much news on the gun. Heard the serial numbers were scraped off. I believe the cops went to grandpa’s house where he explained he didn’t know the serial numbers and someone gave him the gun.
Did you watch the ME yestiddy?
No TV… hookup… boonies… Serial numbers can be brought out with acid, and, it’s probably, registered, or, there’d be no point in filing the serial number. Also, the striations,it imprints, on the slug, are registered in, police files, as part of another crimes’ evidence… … That, no doubt means, it came out of a police evidence locker, and, is a tool of the trade, attributable, to, a real crime… ie., a gestapo, plant… and… a bit shy of two million dollars, “legal defense,” to teeter a conviction, upon…The plot thickens; there be, pirates, afloat, afoot… Edgrrr… Look for,another hoax, as the gestapo, plants a matching slug, and, consider how a hollowpoint, stays in one piece…. And… has the grandfather, been asked to identify his stolen gun, and, whether or not its’ one bullet weapon of mass destruction, had a hollowpoint bullet, in it……??? Grrr…
Can’t you watch on the Interwebs like mortals do? The ME came back for the final rebuttal witness and swore up and down that the gunshot was last. No doubt about it. No siree. Except that is not what he said before. Also the liquefied brain is now pudding and he was still able to section it.
I’m not worried for the prosecution though because he is very hot. I’m sure the jury was ready for a bit of eye candy. Plus they slapped up autopsy pictures so I’m not sure they were still paying attention when Willmott got up to tell them that a .25 is a small caliber and you can in fact shoot someone in the head without incapacitating them.
As for the gun, it does not seem like we will be hearing anything about it during the trial.
Oh and Juror #8 White male, married, 50s, copious note-taker got popped for a DUI and tried to get out of it by pointing out he was on the jury and needed for court. Judge gave him the boot.
As I’ve said, from the gitgo, and, in particular, Sir Dramamine ad nauseum, Spazzzalots, one trick pony show… to… hypnotrick the jury, the longer this charade of a soap opera, slithers, the more, ridiculous, it will be… now, as such an obvious bullshit baffle… we found the gun and, 39 more… that proves she did it…. Lameo….Edgrrr… Will the defense, force them to prove this is the gun, or, are they, having been bribed enough for two murders, going to let the gestapo, out of such a damning, ruse, as to say: “we found the gun, to prove her made up confession, but, we don’t need for it to be found to belong in the evidence locker, as part of another crime, so, we won’t enter it into the twilight zone…???” Grrr…
Enough nonsense, by jurors, sickened to be part of this soap opera, and, the judge, can get off the hook, by declaring, not enough jurors, and, therefore a mistrial… then, the lizards at law, can wattz away, with two million dollars, embezzlement, and, start over, with a new soap opera… and, two million dollars, more… That’ll teach you; letting that carnival barker, play prosecutor…. Edgrrr…
And, have I not been telling these convolutors for years that, there was no premeditation; no crime, she was physically capable of, and, aside from the criminality of Arias Bias.; and, the last straw, gunshot, to set her up; .. just a soap opera; Sir Dramamine ad nauseum Spazzzalot, figures he can hypnotrick, with his spastic, American Idol, audition… As you can see, the bullshit storm, is fading fast… A few more weeks, and, Jodi, will be named Ste Jode…. Edgar…
Juror, got canned, because he was a profuse, note taker; is that not the latest obstruction of justice ??? Keystone Kop, sucks up to brain dead judge… score another con, for the lizards at law… Saying, that you’re a juror, is hardly, discussing a case… Was the court reporter, recording, this, yet another, charade at law, for appellate review…??? Who, will impeach the judge for keeping secret, her order, to “keep quiet about it,” in regard to it being, hearsay, that, someone told the judge, what, they were told; serious enough, for the juror to be canned, and, serious enough for the judge, to conceal, for weeks, until, she was exposed, and,now, the keystone kop, influences the judge to can a juror, with, hearsay, evidence, of what; the guy says he’s a jury member…??? Is that a serious enough crime, for a brown nosing keystone kop, to suck up to a judge ??? Was the cop, ordered, to, influence a trial outcome ??? Where’s it written that a cops,’ hearsay, is more credible, than that of a citizen, not, in the empoyment, of the gestapo ??? It’s a cinch that a profuse note taker, can be a threat to the engineered outcome, of a soap opera, like this one, and, no douibt, factored in the dismissal, con; just, as in, the other secret, dismissal.. Where, is the mistrial, as the judge, admits her own complicities, in concealment, of hearsay evidence, in one instance; wherein, she was involved, and, now, keeps secret, these trials, within a nontrial, of, actual facts..??? Look up the laws, regarding the peoples’ right to know, what these lizards at law, are doing to the rule of law…What right does a judge, order, a gag, on what someonme told someone else, they, witnessed,yet, let a keystone kop, blab, his complicity, in such an extrajudicial, antic, at law ? The cop, should be fired, and, the judge, should, take a long walk, off, a short, plank… Will the judge, admit her order, to, “keep quiet about it,” and, if not, then, why, not, the same order to the cop; if, not, because, the juror, was a profuse note taker…??? This makes another, disgruntled, juror, taking the rap, for, an aptly named, inferior court judge; no doubt, particulars, also concealed from the record, as are the dozens of reasonable doubts; also, concealed from the authority, of the jury; defrauded, of the principles, of “Jury Nullification.” All the while, these obstructions of justice, are being floated, by, organized crime at law, there’s a killer, out and about; protected, by the Wiley Coyote, of a prosecutor… barking up the wrong tree… Do notice how all these sites, bog down, upon exposure of facts; name calling, and a death threat, hardly, negates the facts…and, the lynch mobsters, fade away, back into their comas… with, not, a reason, in sight… Edgrrr….
The gunshot, or the stabbing… is very misleading, because by then, he was already , unredeemable… The grab, from the back, and, ear to ear throat slice, then, heart plunge, already; either, or, had him dying… and, in shock, as if, going to the sink, was going to work… it’s doubtful, he was feeling, pain, in the throes… Edgar…
http://www.mormonwiki.org/Unforgivable_sin_and_blood_atonement
The actions created in his killing are exact to their belief system. I believe that a Mormon did this – to save Travis’ soul – now if one were to believe and elder participated – I refer back to Rachel who we all know, on the average, women do not keep their mouth shut – then JA if she did it would also be saving her own soul. After all this is a cult – and most importantly TA was her spiritual leader / and PPL leader. By god she wanted to get married and TA just played her. He was so not a mother would want her daughter to marry a pitiful excuse for a man about religion and, gender representation. I love the comment about the boyfriend behind the Christmas tree.
Oh look, a friend for Edgar…
A woman with the sense to tell it like it is. Do you see any LSDers, confessing that they loved their brother enough to kill him, to, save his, eternal soul; whatwith, that being so sacred… You’d think they’d be proud, to, help, Travis, ascend to his own planet, and, all those virgin angels… and, proud enough, to,proclaim, to all us worldly folks, how dedicated they are, to their belief, of, such an afterlife; to, proclaim, that, Travis, went willingly, to his celestial reward; while leaving Jodi, to face a capital murder, charade… for, his pious, and devout, agreed to, transitional ascension; out of here… Edgrrr…
Hi Tamara, I’ve attempted to read some of Edgar’s posts, but his hilarious attempt to write as some Shakeseperian poet is only an attempt to sound intelligent and educated, when obviously it is quiet the contrary. I believe it to be a total distraction to his own mind, for he cannot accept that a young” innocent looking” female such as JA is actually a narcissistic, borderline personality with no soul and no true self with which to identify. Maybe our Edgar relates so well to her because he himself is of the same nature. I hold no ill will against his humorous, illogical posts but find them full of bias toward a killer for which there is more than enough evidence that proves the premeditating, manipulating, knife slashing, gun slinging beauty should be put to death.I say carry on Egar,though your rantings are really not enjoyable to read!
I’m actually quite fond of Edgar and have been trying to keep him as my “dirty little secret” if you will, here, where I “lead my double life.” Sadly, life and the rest of my website limits my time to frolic with Edgar.
Edgar is wrong on the facts but he is adamant, that’s for sure.
And… I’m wrong on the facts, meaning that those you refuse to identify, with, specificity, are right…??? How, exactly, does that work, there in the old west…;with, prejudicial claims of guilt…??? Let’s hear, explanations… 1. can a mouse, derail, a train ? 2. Can a boyfriend, be more likely, able to overpower, Travis; a wrestler, fighter, weight lifting body builder, fighting for his life; or, more likely, there, in Wonderland, that a 130 pound girl, with superhuman strength, beat up on, a 200 plus, pound, Travis…??? 3. That, no gunpowder particulates, in the combined blood handprint, proves she didn’t fire a gun; unless, you’re there in Wonderland, where, physical evidence, is, irrelevant…??? 4. That, the gunshot was allegedly first, because, the torrent of blood, landed, underneath, the brass shell, and, being wet, did not smear, or, cover the shell; fired before the blood, began gushing…??? Only, in Arizona, wherein the States’ own forensics’ proofs are, contradicted by the defense, who gets bribed, with two million dollars, to, begin aiding and abetting, organized crime at law, by, conniving, like any systemic, parasitical, officer of the court, should do, instead, of obeying their oath of office…. ??? Edgrrr…
@Rose, he sure does seem enthralled by Jodi – could they be soul mates? If our justice system totally fails and she gets out Edgar can let her live with him. What a pair that would be! I’m sure they would have a lot to talk about.
I can’t even make sense out of his word salads.
Can’t make sense, of my screeds, you say??? Just maybe, when you clear the non compost mentis bullshit, out of your head, and, do, follow the States’ own forensics’ evidence, that, proves, she never fired a gun, and, that four days after the precision kill, she got set up, with, a second, soap opera; sacrileging, the eternal soul saving ascension to planet playboy, and, all those virgin angels…and, quit licking the boots of the gestapo, there’ll come the dawn, when you can, understand, that, your ignorance does not, erase the facts… til then, recess is over, go back to class… today, we’re going to study, Spot… oh look, see Spot… see Spot run, and, next recess, don’t spin around so much, or, you’ll learn nothing…the tossed salad, is in your head…. Edgrrr… and, it doesn’t matter, that you think, you don’t get it… you read it, it’s in your head… when youse guys wake up from your comas, it’ll be all too clear… til then, only your prejudices, matter… Sir Spazzzalot, tries his non cases, with hypnotrick, carnival side shows… who needs facts…???
Seems as though you should be called Sir Spewalot.
…We’d better, arrest Estee , and, Vidal, et al…narcissistic, borderline personality…” describes, the majority of women… doesn’t it, and, these racketeers are aiding and abetting… to enhance such criminal, behavior…if, we’re going to do these armchair shrink wraps, , wherein, guilt is secondary to who and what you are, as per the labels, inflicted upon you by self appointed, morons…..??? Who needs due process; it’s always due, anyway…??? Just let the lynch mobsters, lick the boots, of these lizards at law… Hitler, would have been proud……… So, what are you, men or mice… squeek up…… Edgrrr…….. ….
When do you think we will get the verdict, Edgar? I’m guessing Monday, Murder One.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Tamara Tattles
A hung jury, should send a clear message to the D.A.s’ office, to look for, real jobs…There have been concealed from the authority of the jury, more than dozens, of reasonable doubts,as ignored by the defense, and, concealed by the prosecution… The trial, has been an extortion in reverse, from the beginning, and, no more, or less, than, a convulsion of halftruths, titillations, and, Xrated insults to the sensibilities of the jury… Surely, one, serious juror, will, find, just one, reasonable doubt, in spite of these lizards at law. A mistrial, is the least this jury can do, considering, the insulting behavior, of Sir Dramamine ad nauseum Spazzalot, hypnotricking them, with his Juandering, spastic comatoasting, side show; as if, the Spaz, doesn’t know, exactly, that, lulling the jury into his coma, preempts the facts… Hopefully, one juror, out of the group, will, see through his, criminal behavior…and, force a retrial, based upon all the internet, published, known facts… Is it, competent and effective, legal representation, to say, “I’m too busy to read the internet ?” Not one of dozens of proofs have been published, and, not one has been put before the jury… Why is that…??? Edgrrr…
…..DLister, to starboard…you are sinking… straighten up and cruise right…
Not enjoyable to read….??? Good, then, my time is not wasted… and… who calls themselves, shorepussies… shore leave denizens of the deep; who look like manatees, in the morning…
Was Shakespeare, a commedian…??? How could you identify what your ignorance dictates to you, as, humor, without, having to think it, to say it…??? Your, contradictions, are, a product of your own mind; such as it is… Shakespeare; that’s a reach…. commedian; that would be you…. looking for an excuse to deny justice, to a falsely accused girl…despite the states’ own evidence that proves, she did, none of it…I, feel your pain… sure I do… in your dreams… Edgrrr…
Juror #16, Jolene as I like to call her, (or Edgar’s friend ) has been broken down by the arias bias and become one of the sheeple.
I’ll try to come sit with you for the verdict. Perhaps you should pour a cocktail.
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Tamara Tattles
How can my remarks be hilarious, and, yet, not, enjoyable to read ??? what have you got against humor; you look into the mirror, don’t you…??? Maybe, you don’t appreciate a good joke, and, think the mirror, is lying to you… I can see what you mean… Edgrrr…
Still waiting for the ballistics’ report, and, finger prints, to expose the planted gun, allegedly found, so as to prove it came from an evidence locker, and, a subsequent, home invasion, shooting, that, Jodi, in jail, couldn’t have done, as well… A total of twelve home invasion shootings, in Mesa, alone; as in, one, for each jury member… and, no doubt, all, concealed from the jury… Edgrrr… With Glib-erty, and Just-Ice, for all….Zeig Heil….SSHitler, on the job…
Just checked again, on the gun status, as a scammed, icing on the Cow Pie, being, forcefed, to, the sheeple… as,a hoax, and, another concealment, by these lizards at law, to conceal, exculpatory evidence; guilt by omission; just like the no gunpowder particulates, in the combined blood, handprint, which could, or, could not have received the combined blood, from either area of the several wounds; of course, creating another reasonable doubt; as in another speculation, discernable, by multiple explanations…. Edgrrr…
See what happens when,Arias Bias, is put to the test ? All the twinkies, scurry back under the Troll Bridge… Not a sniveller, in sight; probably, starting up another Website to regurgitate their, load, of ignorance, all over again… About two dozen sites, have bit the dust, and, yet, not one of dozens of reasonable doubts, has been put to the jury… Who, if not, the officer of the court, scammers, would even think of a trial, wherein,there need be no facts; just, starvation induced, slavery; to force convictions, out of the air… Edgar…
In keeping with posting to the checkmated, third grade Nobel laureates, who’ve crawled back under their shrooms; and, so as to keep them there…… someone, by now, should have posted a picture of what a 130 pound girl, looks like, alongside, a 200 plus pound, wrestler, bare knuckle fighter, weightlifting bodybuilder, to see how stupid it is to believe Olive Oyl, could whip, Bluto; as in, that’s a physical impossibility, without, shooting him first; which, the States’ own evidence, proves she didn’t do, so, of course, the Arias bias mob, slithers away, to setup another soap opera… and, starts all over again… Lunatics, all… Hitler would have been proud, as Sir Dramamine ad nauseum Spazzzalot, hypnotricks, with, with his, carnival side show… Edgrrr…
Wake up from your comas, Spazzsters… and, do note, how inside out this convolution at law, really is… Concealed, exculpatory evidence, by, the hypnotricking, spastic, carnival act, of, Sir Spazzalot, and, … a judge, concealing evidence of a juror, speaking to the clan/family… and, conducting a socalled trial, while concealing, the fact she could have interrogated the jurors, to prove it, until, exposure of her gag order, to keep quiet about it, was exposed, and, two weeks of the bogus trial, later, with, an illegal juror, still there, the juror was, finally canned, but, the judge, who, concealed the soap opera, knowing that a juror, was seen, talking with the clan/family… did not, order a mistrial… So much for, collusion and conspiracy, between all these conniving lizards at law…… Edgrrr……
Edgar Lithium 600 mg 3x daily
Lithium, is for the batteries to light up the swamps where you sheeple bleat… probably, Lithium Diodes, to keep your bleats, all going from positive to negative… Of course, your need to know, of, medication, that, will solve the plague, of, awareness, of, govern mental, locusts, eating out our substance, is, commensurate, with, your own defective regard, for this excuse of a “Free Country,” as you no doubt know all about which, drug is necessary to be able to tolerate, anything that requires you to be able to think. Too bad, it’s not the likes of you shroom laced, stoners, who have been kidnapped, by these lizards at law, and, held for two million dollars, ransom; nearly five years, without, a conviction, of any crime; and, by an excuse, the states’ own forensics, proves, invalid, and, to have been in error… Beyond, partyline propaganda, as scammed by, such toadies of the system, this entire soap opera has been a balancing act, by, lizards at law, concealing the dozens of reasonable doubts, that prove Jodi, did not have the physical strength, to nearly decapitate,anyone……etcetera… Edgrrr…
….. instead of from negative to positive, as it should…. Baaaaa….. Edgrrr…
Edgar, my love.. do you have a TV? I am going to need you to start watching some things on Bravo TV. I can’t lose you once your beloved get her sentence… 🙁
Tamara Tittles… Jodi, has little to do with my crusade, other than being a Joan of Ark, facing, these dark agers… Then of course, there’s the Juanderer, shucking and jiving, his American Idol, audition, and, slobbering motif, autographs… that’s enough to gag a maggot… No TV, love… the computer already, embezzles enough hours. I’ll rely upon the opposite of what the lynch mobster are, selling, to , get to the truth, which, simply enough, constitutes, reasonable doubts; as in, unresolved, delusions, and, dogmas… One honest juror, and, the court jester, can go, pound sand… Out of dozens of reasonable doubts, not one juror, will not wonder how a trial of facts can be twisted into a carnival act, side show; devoid of proofs; extorting, fairytales, out of, little girls… ??? And, with such a slam dunk non case, not one juror, is going to wonder why it took a two million dollar bribe, to get the socalled defense, to throw the fight, while, asking the court to keep, the, two million dollars, secret, from, the defendant, they, sold out, because, It would jeopardize the attornry /client, relationship; no sheet, sure-lock……???… Not one juror, who has not been offended, by Sir Spazzalots, circus hypnotrick, act, and, to notice the contempt of, putting on his mental masturbation, Xrated, side show, to, comatoast, with his nauseating, tap dance, pirouetting, charade; to, nauseate, and, lull, the jurors into his induced, coma; another, motivational, speaker, guru, penguin in a tutu, contemptifying, those, he can……??? Justice must be seen, to be, done… They’re all, not, blind, to the seriousness, of his, perversions… and, let’s do, interrogate the jurors, as to what questions were culled by the steering antics, of these lizards at law… Edgrrr… Free Jodi, and, imprison these reptillian illiterati, slitherers, at, law…
Thanks for the moral support; your, eloquence beats mine; I could not, have said it better… and, why these bootlicking gestapo panderers, keep trying to put sheeple on drugs, of course commensurates with their own need to run to the nearest dope dealer… as for Puffington Host… there’s a first amendment, censorship, site, for you, with, a pantload, of, thought police, seeing to it that the reason for their Arias Bias site has been contrived, is, you guessed it; Arias Bias… Who needs trials and, due process, when, spastic penguins in tutus, can, lead jurors into their hypnotricking, carnival act, side show… ??? Have you ever seen a strobascope prosecutor, shuck and, jive his tapdance, American Idol, audition, in a courtroom, ever…emoting, his confession with every spaz, and, every, fraudulent question, amounting, to his convoluted means, of testifying, without, the penalty of perjury…??? There’s been no better, site, than this one, especially that this writer, who should be drugged, to be like you boot polish addicts, has shut down all the Arias bias sites, and, while being accused of trolling, must, agree, to notice, that, sending the trolls back under their bridges, obviates the need to get them, identified, from the gitgo…It, surely, doesn’t take much, to see who’s cowdowning to organized crime at law… Maybe, that’s why all the sites, require your fingerprints, to see who is deluded enough to believe, that rights, are anything more than, paid, graft, and, extortion, for, the unAmerican Bar Association…to, fleece the sheeple; as if, one of the dozens of reasonable doubts, this minority, of, one, has posted, has found its’ way past these ushers, in this Alice in Wonderland, Arizona, show… How many jurors are Dazzled with Dialogue, how many are, Baffled with Bullshit, and, how many, were nauseated, by the contempt for their intelligence, shown, by the tit-elating, contempt for women, by the contemptible, whirling dervish, dogtail chasing, pinhead prosecutors,’ act… as if, his disingenuous, spasms, are not, just more bullshit, out of his bag of carnival act, tricks… I’m surprised that, he never had modified frequency flourescent lights, to facillitate, the strobe hypnotics, act; or, did they…??? Any of you sheeple, notice, how, Sir Spazalod, strobed, across the uloor, with his nauseating comatoasting, act… blinking, all the way, as in strobing, and, multiplying, his spastic performance; as if, one of him, at a time, is, not, enough…??? Is blinking frequency light, strobes, the due process of today, comatoasting stressed out, defendants, to get them babbling, the future of the “American,” courtroom; or, can the strobe television as depicted, be, coming from a defect in television cameras, and, televisions, to, comatoast, us all……??? I guess, not, watching television, protects me from, govern mental, blinking lights, brainwashing… de ja vu, all over again; 1984… Edgrrr…Sieg Heil… this, explains, the lack of concern for the impossibilities, important, enough, to, be concealed from the authority, of the jury… A verdict, today, at 4:00…??? It’s a sad day for, this country, that all these conspiratorial thieves, get away, with, beating up, on a, girl… Pussies, afraid to arrest the real killers…. Edgrrr…
Probably, fifteen TVs… but, with psyche cool aid, , there’s too much, transmitted, brainwave strobe work, bending the Sheeples’ brains… Some of us have to defend the poor souls… before the lizards at law, steal all the goods… Notice all the personal attacks; none of which have the intelligence to refute the actual contents…intent, of my observed and, reported, facts; proving, of course, that the gripes are actually frustrations over the fact that, the whiners, haven’t got the brains to even invent an excuse to refute what I have posted…. Let’s see the exodus from the sweat lodge, of a court rooms’ brainwashing, after the jurors, get the facts that were concealed from the process… Just maybe, this site, will, see to it that, they, would have made the same decision, if those facts, had not been concealed from their authority, or, not… It’s obstruction of justice, that, there were more facts, outside the process, than inside, the courtroom…Edgar…. Now, what’s been concealed, will, come out…
Sunshine, whutz a “Bravo TV…???” Splain it to judge Judy… she may be informed; there, in her ostentatious, matchbox, house; that, requires, just one doobie, to become history…Whut was she thinking…??? Is this something like a veiled threat, like the swastika police, and, LSD kill squad, boogymen, [one and the same], coming to get me, for, revealing their cons-Piracies…??? May the real tral begin; Bruno J Hauptman, presiding…. Jesus Christo, defending… Sir Dramamine, ad nauseum Spazalot, performing… Youse guys, really need to get za grip… the soul, you save, just, might be, your own…. no doubt about it… go pray to your reptillian illiterati lizard god…. Edgrrr… Free Jodi, and, imprison all these lizards at law….
Edgar… Cripple that and walk it by me slow…
As if, this site, is not up to the legalities of printing the forensics, concealed, by the lizards at law… In what, delusion, do you suppose, any other site is, more appropriate, if not, because, they won’t print, proof of this Alice in Wonderland, soap opera, and, the likes of you, don’t want to hear it ??? Edgrrr…