Dr Phil begins part two of his interview with Burke Ramsey by asking if he went to Jon Benet’s funeral. He did and he talks about the small casket and how one of her eyes was kind of droopy. Again, he has the same, consistent, smiling affect he has had throughout the interview. This is very usual, a discordant affect is most often one that is emotionless when an emotion is called for, known as a blunt affect. Burke maintains the same look of a pleasant emotion consistently throughout the interview. He said he felt a lot of sadness, and he didn’t really grasp that he would not see her again. Most kids by the age of four or five understand the permanence of death, although most associate it only with old people. By nine, a child should have a full grasp on the realities of death. His smiling is even more pronounced talking about the funeral. Dr. Phil seems… slightly annoyed. They show photos of the family leaving the funeral. Everyone is visibly upset and most are crying. Except for Burke. Burke is smiling and has a spring in his step. He says his mother cried all the time after that. “They” kept trying to get him to go upstairs and comfort her.
The Ramseys wanted to bury their daughter here in Atlanta. But the police wanted more interviews and threatened to block the transport of Jon Benet’s body. This is when the battle between the Ramseys and the police began to escalate. When the Ramseys stopped working with the police, the police stopped coddling the Ramseys.
Dr. Phil asked Burke about the theories that the family was involved in the murders. Burke gets a glint in his eye, literally, when Dr. Phil mentions the “Burke Did It Theory (BDIT).” Yesterday I was convinced that Burke had nothing to do with it. Last night I read an Ask Me Anything (AMA) by a Denver Chief Police. While he refused to openly state who he though killed Jon Benet, it seemed clear by his presentation of evidence that it had to be someone in the house. John, Patsy or Burke. I seem to be leaning toward a parental cover up for Burke theory at the moment, but frankly, all the bits and pieces of this puzzle have never fit together snuggly. In order to make a picture out of the pieces, some have to be forced in and others left out altogether.
It’s interesting to see Lin Wood, a prominent Atlanta attorney who represented the Ramsey’s on this show. He was a pall bearer at Patsy’s funeral.
Burke says that the ransom note does not look like his mother’s handwriting to him. Both John and Burke claim that the handwriting is too sloppy to be Patsy’s handwriting. Yet there are many matches with her known handwriting. Even so, experts cannot conclusively say that Patsy wrote the ransom note.
The Patsy Did It Theory (PDIT) has Patsy furious with Jon Benet for wetting the bed. She was six. This is of interest to me because the police claim that there was evidence of prior sexual abuse before the night of her death. Childhood sexual abuse can cause children to wet the bed at night at an age well past when that is normal. The theory is that Patsy threw Jon Benet on the bathroom floor and it inadvertently fractured her skull. Then, according to this scenario, she freaked out, took her daughter downstairs, staged a sexual abuse attack that I will not get into, and strangled her. When Jon Benet was found she was fully dressed. So someone would have had to put her clothes back on her after she was eventually strangled as the skull fracture was not the cause of death. The COD was strangulation. After killing her child, Patsy then went to write the ransom note. Sidenote: According to the AMA I read, there has never been another case where a ransom note was left in the house where the child was abducted.
Dr Phil asks if Burke know about the PDIT. He says he knew about the cover up theory, but not about the bed wetting part. Flash to his interview, age 9 with the police detective where he talks about Jon Benet wetting the bed. How would he know that? I thought he stayed in his room the whole time? Burke says he used to wet the bed too. This saddens me. I am reminded now why I blanked out most of this from my brain previously.
Burke said he never saw her mother violent in any way. She never spanked her kids. Dr. Phil tries to get Burke to say he was jealous of Jon Benet because of all the time spent on pageants and the mother daughter bonding. Burke denies this saying he spent with his mother at the pageants.
There was discussion about the 911 call. The phone did not hang up when Patsy put it down. Some people think that Burke’s voice was on the phone. Burke says he was in bed at that time. John says Burke was asleep. Burke told the cop that he was in bed awake with his eyes open wondering what might have happened and that he could hear his mom going psycho. It is interesting to me that 9-year-old Burke used the term “going psycho” as if it was a situation he was used to, and that he may have had experience staying in his room during these psycho episodes. Even though 29-year-old Burke seems to say that his mother was not prone to such behavior. The tape supposed shows a voice believed to be Burke saying, “What did you find?” Burke denies saying this. Burke has a lot of body language that suggests lying. This has been consistent throughout the interview. Again, it could just be nerves but the body language intensifies at this point. Also, some say that John can be heard, presumably yelling at Burke, “We’re not speaking to you!” Burke says, “I definitely don’t remember that.” I wish Dr Phil would immediately ask, what do you remember happening right after the 911 call? Instead, Burke says completely unprompted, “I dunno, unless someone erased my memory or something.” Then he laughs.
Dr. Phil who continues to be frustrated says, “Well a 911 call with your mother hysterical about your sister being kidnapped would seem to me to be a stand out moment in your life.” He says he would remember it but he was not there.
Finally, the child psychologist video Dr. Phil claims “nobody in the world has seen before.” Lin Wood says that the police went to the house where Burke was staying and told the caretakers they had permission to interview Burke. Lin Wood says that was an absolute lie.
Dr Phil shows Burke the footage taken 13 days after the murder. Dr Phil makes a big deal out of Burke not drawing a picture of Jon Benet. Dr Phil refers to some interpretations that Burke didn’t have any emotion about Jon Benet’s death. We were not shown anything of the sort. At least not yet.
Dr Phil tells us that, “While Burke was watching he tapes, he was watching Burke.” Burke says about not drawing Jon Benet, “I don’t know what was consciously going through my head, but she was gone, so I didn’t draw her.” Then he shrugs.
Psychologist: What do you think happened to your sister?
Burke: I know what happened to my sister. I think….well I asked my dad where did they find her body and …my, my dad said (unintelligible) in the basement to himself. I, I think someone… took her very quietly and took her down to the basement…and he took a knife out and he whoops like that! (gestures a hitting motion) . Probably a hammer and he hit her in the head with it.
Wow. That is a lot of detail. Present day Burke says the woman kept pressing him so he gave a hypothetical.
The Pineapple Bowl. Undigested pineapple was found in Jon Benet’s stomach during the autopsy. Both John and Patsy deny that Jon Benet had pineapple before she went to bed. Patsy says she did not put the bowl there. She would not have “set it up like this” (as seen in the photo.) The fingerprints on the bowl belonged to Patsy. This makes the police think she is lying about more than just pineapple.
The police asked Burke “What was Jon Benet’s favorite snack?”
He replies “I don’t think she had a snack anytime before bed.”
Cop: “Some moms cut up apples.”
Burke: ” Yeah. ”
Cop ” What else would she do?”
Burke “That’s all I know of. Maybe pineapple.”
Cop: “Do you ever have iced tea?”
Burke: “Maybe around Christmas time”
Next to the pineapple bowl there was a glass of iced tea. The glass had Burke’s finger prints.
The Flashlight and the Baseball Bat.
Jon Benet’s skull fracture was eight and a half inches long. A metal flashlight or a baseball bat could have caused the injury. The baseball bat was found outside. It had fibers from the basement floor where Jon Benet was found.
Burke says the baseball bat was outside on the porch most of the time. He also remembers going downstairs after his father used a flashlight to take him up to bed. What is it with John and the cops using a flashlight in Burke’s room? Was there no electricity? Burke says he doesn’t remember if he used the flashlight to go back downstairs.
The strangulation occurred between 45 minutes and two hours after the head strike.
A big deal is made about Burke swinging a golf club and accidentally hitting his sister in the face with the club on his back swing while she was behind him.
Oh this is interesting, the autopsy did NOT show signs of sexual abuse. Some other “experts” after the fact said it was possible. For me, this takes prior sexual abuse off the table. I’ve seen enough trials to know that the best autopsy information comes from the person who conducts the autopsy and those who analyze later are motivated by payment from one side of the case or the other. Burke denies that he or anyone sexually abused Jon Benet.
The series continues NEXT MONDAY on Dr. Phil.
THIS IS A MURDER CASE. WHILE THERE WAS A STAGED SEXUAL ASSAULT IT IS NOT A SEXUAL ASSAULT CASE. IT MAY BE NECESSARY TO REFER TO A SEXUALT ASSUALT THAT OCCURRED IN THE STAGING BUT WE DO NOT NEED TO DISCUSS THAT SUBJECT AT LENGTH.
THIS IS ALSO NOT A CHILDHOOD SURVIVORS SUPPORT GROUP. DO NOT POST ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCES WITH ABUSE OR DISCUSS THE ABUSE OF SOMEONE YOU KNOW.
UNLESS THE STAGED SCENE WHERE A SEXUAL ACT OCCURRED IS RELAVENT TO YOUR OPINION ON WHO COMMITTED THE MURDER, IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO BRING IT UP AT ALL.
IF I HAVE TO CONTINUE TO READ AND DELETED GRAPHIC CHILDHOOD SEXUAL ABUSE STORIES, OR ANY SEXUAL ABUSE STORIES THIS FORUM WILL DISAPPEAR COMPLETELY.