Deportation Seems Very Likely For Joe Giudice, Will He Flee To Italy Soon?

Joe-Giudice

Yesterday, Forbes magazine published a very interesting story about the upcoming prison sentence of Joe Giudice.  When Joe was first charged, I really never believed he would be deported to Italy after serving his 41 month sentence at Fort Dix FCI. After some more research and particularly after reading this story, I am starting to realize it is a very real possibility and perhaps even more likely than not.

Guest contributor to Forbes and white collar crime expert, Walter Pavlo , tells a fascinating tale about similar case involving Adrian Scott-Jones, a British man with the same legal status in the US as Joe, that serves as a cautionary tale for Joe Giudice.  I have been a bit more generous in my quoting of Mr. Pavlo’s  column than I usually am due to our need to comprehend the technical legal aspects of the situation, but I strongly encourage you to read the entire article. It’s very enlightening.

The harrowing story of Adrian Scott-Jones, a British citizen and longtime Lawful Permanent Resident of the U.S., should serve as a cautionary tale for what could happen to Joe Giudice and other non-U.S. citizens who are convicted of non-violent, white-collar crimes. On January 3, 2013, Scott-Jones was sentenced to 18 months in federal prison, and just like Joe, was not eligible for a prison camp, despite the verbal promises given to him by government prosecutors.

After serving approximately 12 months, Scott-Jones was hopeful for early an early release to a halfway house, as many non-violent offenders are in the U.S.  It turns out, halfway houses are also a privilege just for American citizens.   So, upon completion of his prison sentence on May 23, 2014, Scott-Jones was surprised when instead of being picked up by his wife, he was immediately detained and escorted by ICE agents to an immigration detention facility, where he would be held pending deportation to the U.K.  It was a shock considering that Scott-Jones believed his plea and cooperation with government prosecutors would protect him from this very scenario.

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According to his attorney, it is not uncommon for individuals, such as Scott-Jones, who have lived in the U.S for many years and have established strong familial, professional and economic ties to this country, to face deportation.  This should put the fear of God in Joe Giudice. The appeal process for Scott-Jones seemed to be all but impossible to win unless he could somehow prove that England planned to torture him upon his repatriation. This of course was not a possibility.

During the appeal process with ICE, Scott-Jones served another 15 months in prison. His appeals were not met with success and it seemed unlikely he would be allowed to stay in the country. PLEASE REFER TO THIS LINK FOR CLARIFICATION OF MR. SCOTT-JONES APPEAL PROCESS. THE JUDGE DID IN FACT GRANT AN APPEAL AND A GREEN CARD TO MR. SCOTT-JONES.

He contracted MERSA, lost 60 pounds and suffered from other major health issues as he was transferred between various miserable ICE detention centers.  After 15 months of detention in the ICE holding centers, which are way worse than federal prisons, on top of his 18 month prison sentence, Scott-Jones was released without explanation.

Based  on this cautionary tale, it  seems that when Joe Giudice is shipped off to join fellow Real Househusband Apollo Nida, who is also currently incarcerated at Fort Dix, it may well be the last we see of him.

It sounds to me like Teresa better put those girls in some serious Italian classes over the next four years. Unless another scenario occurs that I have been giving a lot of weight to and Joe makes a run for it on Pete’s passport and heads to Italy in the next month or so. I’m not sure that we would even bother extraditing him if he would just go away.

Thoughts?

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69 responses to “Deportation Seems Very Likely For Joe Giudice, Will He Flee To Italy Soon?

  1. JoJoFLL

    I think he’d only flee with his mom and Tre’s parents. Otherwise I think he’ll fight to stay here. I’ve said all along deportation was a real possibility and everyone poo poo’d me. Happened to a friend of mine but two deaths were involved. Felony DUIs.

    • Shay

      JoJo:

      I had dozens of high school students/gang members/juvenile felons who were born in the United States to illegal parents who never filed their paperwork for citizenship. After turning their lives around and 6 months away from attending college or university (with scholarships we worked very hard for), there was a spring dance.

      After the dance, police set up a “DUI checkpoint” (a.k.a. illegal immigration stop/driver’s license checkpoint) and 5 of my male students, who were 18, didn’t have driver’s licenses and immediately got carted away by ICE. (Why would ICE be at a DUI checkpoint, outside of a high school dance, 50 miles from the border?) They didn’t know ANYONE in Mexico and couldn’t find work in the very poor, corrupt town of tijuana where they were dropped off… 4 turned to crime. 3 are incarcerated and all are in the United States (illegally). Shouldve let them go to college.

      • Psylocke

        Wow what a horribly depressing story.

      • Shay

        Yeah, it’s easy to see strangers as “illegal immigrants” who need to go “back home”, but when you work with kids… they are loveable, funny humans. Its sad to see society treat them like garbage because of decisions their parents made to give them a better life. I wish people would look at each case as individual persons whose lives can be productive to society regardless of paperwork. My parents waited 15 plus years to come here legally… im not pro illegal immigration, but what should we do with teens who are born here and often don’t even know they don’t have papers? Sending them to Mexico and telling them to apply in 10 years is ridiculous.

      • beth

        Shay, are you saying that people that were born in the U.S. were deported?

      • tamaratattles

        Teens born in the US have papers. It is called a birth certificate which certifies them as natural born citizens. They can run for president. They are no deported. Your stories today don’t really make much sense. I’m just saying.

      • People who are born in the US are automatically US citizens. You often hear them referred to as “anchor babies” because the parents want to have a child born in this country to try and secure their own citizenship. There is no way that teens born in this country were deported.

      • I’m Mexican, from the US/Mexico border where my family has resided since the 1750’s after arriving there from Spain and Texas was still a territory of the Spanish Crown (who granted my ancestors land grants to live here) and most of this oil-rich land was stolen by the King family so you can imagine how incensed I become when people move here just to turn around and say “all of you go back to Mexico!” It has never happened to me, as I look more Persian than Mexican, but it has happened in my presence. You’d never hear me tell people to “go home”, although I’m sure my forefathers felt that way when the yankees showed up to steal and take over their land and began attempting to drive us Spanish and Mexicans out of our homes.

        Yes, I have read about many instances of US citizens being deported by mistake; if you familiarize yourself with the actual process of deportation, it’s easy to see how this can happen: these people are rounded up like cattle, often by SWAT teams, and escorted to a jail or plan without being given any chance to call their families or a lawyer. A simple google search for “us citizens deported by mistake” will prove this further and give you further details.

        Unfortunately, the majority of the citizens in this country are woefully culturally ignorant; they see a family speaking Spanish and immediately assume they’re illegal immigrants because, “Why wouldn’t you speak English if you’re in ‘Merica?” (Never mind that the first European language spoken here was Spanish, but I digress) when the reason is less about legality and more about preserving our rich culture through passing down our language, traditions, cuisine, etc. That’s the very definition of culture. Most of us speak more than 2 languages, yet people want to judge us on assumptions. You’d think that for such a diverse nation we’d do better, considering the great majority of all Americans have immigrant ancestors in the past 3-4 generations. All the Irish, Russian and Italian immigrants from the 1800’s and 1900’s didn’t arrive here legally – they set out on a boat and arrived here, THEN began the process of legalization much like these illegal do today – the difference is that process has changed and a person from Mexico is less likely to be given legal status than an immigrant from Austria or Cuba. Legal immigration *as we know it now* didn’t truly begin until around wartime in the 20th century.

        Sorry, rant over. I’m an anthropologist but I am also appalled and disgusted by ignorance and unfair bias.

      • JoJoFLL

        DeeMart: Living in South Florida, I’ve never assumed anyone was here illegally. White people are a definite minority here. I think the profiling happens more in the landlocked states where there is more homogeneity.

      • Jojo FLL – yes and you will see similar demographics in states which began as Spanish colonies: Florida, Texas, California, New Mexico, etc. etc. The Spanish (and later Mexican) settlers never left those states, we simply moved aside when the Whites moved in; these states remain attractive to new immigrants because of the homogeneity you described.

      • IM OK NOW

        If they were born in a US hospital, the paperwork would have been filed by the hospital and which school in the US did they attend that the did not need paperwork?

  2. WestCoastFeed

    There was a photo of him taken on New Year’s Eve. Has anyone seen one since then? He may already have left.

  3. WestCoastFeed

    I haven’t seen a photo taken of him since Robyn Levy tweeted one from New Year’s Eve

  4. thanks for the excellent information from Forbes..for me the way I understand the article..the simiarities to Joe..Joe not being a U.S. cItizen…which is why he is not at the same jail as Teresa’s. As far as getting deported..it seems that it is still up in the air..as both still have to pay back restitution..I may have misread this..but ..jail is jail..wire fence or not…he is going where he should be going

  5. Dawn

    I think being in Forbes Magazine finally makes him a celebrity, although not in a good way. Not knowing the ICE decision ahead of time has to be hard. I guess I wouldn’t blame him for running if he knew positively how it would end up. He could spend those 4 years getting established in Italy. I doubt Teresa would follow him with the girls though. She wouldn’t be famous there, just another run of the mill crook. I assume any visits to him in Italy would put a target on him to be extricated back to the US to serve his time and punishment.

    I think Teresa will make him stay here and take his chances. He would look like a real coward running after she served her time. If he runs, for sure, it’s all over. I think much depends on the strength of their marriage and if they see the US as the only place for the girls to live.

    • Leelee

      Ok, first of all, as a content marketer who specializes in these things, this was clearly a contributor post– i.e. NOT a Forbes staff writer. This is clear to any editor (such as myself). You’d have to understand how SEO works and how publications benefit from contributing authors, but this was obviously not written by Forbes staff. In short, while there may be nuggets of truth in this story, this is a piece of propaganda and should be treated as such. For proof, look at the email address listed at the end of the piece.

      • Leelee

        That being said, TT I hope you’re being well compensated for the link.

      • tamaratattles

        I’m so glad we have an expert on SEO and online publications here to explain things to us. Do tell how did you discover that this piece was written by a “Contributor” ??!! GAY GASP!!! Could it be the first sentence of the second paragraph where I began with the following sentence? ” Guest contributor to Forbes and white collar crime expert, Walter Pavlo , tells a fascinating tale about similar case involving Adrian Scott-Jones, a British man with the same legal status in the US as Joe, that serves as a cautionary tale for Joe Giudice.” Perhaps it was the link to Mr. Pavlo’s bio in that same sentence that listed his qualifications on the subject???

        Was it the “Guest Contributor” qualifier in the by line in the Forbes article itself (Which I am sure you bothered to read before writing this judgmental comment.)?

        I am sure that before you wrote this off as the kind of content PROPOGANDA! that you market and *cough* specialize in ( I thought you were an editor?) you checked out Mr. Parvo’s biography that I linked to an noted that he has written a book with a former executive editor of Forbes and noted his extensive resume of previous articles on Forbes that benefit from his extensive knowledge on the US prison systems and how they relate to certain financial content on Forbes.

        I’m sure you also understand what is located at 500 Pearl Street which is part of the domain name in the email address you seem to have an issue with. HInt, It’s a Federal Courthouse.

        Surely there is some reason you have opted to mislabel Mr. Pavlo’s extensive history of contributing articles to Forbes as a white collar crime expert as propaganda. I am assuming you know the meaning of the word. I have questions for you LeeLee, (1) Where is the bias in Mr. Palvo’s anecdotal piece ? What exactly do you find misleading? And what political cause or point of view is he promoting?

        To belittle Mr Palvo’s work and suggest it is of the same ilk as the sort of trash piece that you peddle to God knows where, is not just rude, it’s irresponsible and HIGHLY offensive to me. Please have SEVERAL seats.

      • tamaratattles

        Oh Look. Another jab. Why would I be compensated for quoting an article that I found enlightening with regard to Joe’s incarceration? Were it not for his knowledge and research on the subject I would have had no story, When one benefits from the work of another, it is customary to acknowledge your source and provide a link to the original material. Mr. Pavlo is paid by Forbes for his contributions to their publication both financially and by the display of his biography on their prestigious site. A benefit to him that you failed to peruse before rushing in to insult his piece as propaganda

        Suggesting that I was compensated in some way by Mr. Pavlo is personally insulting and appears to be coming from a place of Butthurtery about some personal issue related to you “content marketing/Editor” job.

  6. marywanna

    I just can’t comprehend being deported for non-violent crimes. What about all the illegals that Obama has welcomed to the USA?

    • tamaratattles

      This was my reaction too, Mary. Even violent criminals here are not deported and often not even reported to ICE because they just don’t have the resources to deport them all. It seem though that when the offense is a federal one, they have no problem fast tracking them right back to their country of origin.

    • Lawstangel

      I must have missed that. When did that take place?

  7. Cat

    They should change the name to Ft. Dicks.

  8. swizzle

    It seems crazy to me to wait until someone serves their sentence to learn your deportation status. If you’re going to deport him, deport him. Or can they not say they will be deporting him and then incarcerate him first? I can’t imagine serving several months in jail, thinking I’m heading home and then get detained by ICE.

  9. Molly

    The US gov doesn’t play with felons and deportation. I thought from day 1 he’d be getting shipped back, not before spending a few more months in an ICE hold in a state or county jail. Sometimes its fast, sometimes it drags out. If its a crime of “moral turpitude” they usually cannot apply for readmission to the US. With the moral turpitude crimes, there’s no point in fighting it, its pretty much a guarantee you’re going. Fraud is one of those. Aggravated felonies will get you the boot too. Being high profile, the probably won’t let it slide. If he has an ICE detainer (which they can put on him at any time, he may have one now) then ICE has 48 hours from the date of his release to pick him up. If they don’t, he’ll be released. But I doubt ICE won’t pick him up.

    • Matzah60

      Doesn’t it seem likely that they have already hired an immigration lawyer to intervene prior to his release or someone that is already part of the legal team is working with a department of immigration

  10. Matzah60

    Is there the possibility that Italy will refuse to take him back as a citizen based on the crime he committed here in the US?

    • Jen

      They would have to revoke his citizenship, which isn’t something that would be done for something as simple as this, but if they did, he would be ‘stateless’, as in that Tom Hanks movie where he lives at the airport.

  11. Shay

    I dont think he goes on the run. We have to remember these people think they did nothing wrong. I’m sure they think they will win the lawsuit against their previous counsel and the judge will realize they were totally duped! They never agreed to prison because their accountant made one error, not them… Its not like they were defrauding banks, business partners, investors or hiding assets while spending fistfuls of cash on tv!

  12. Jody

    Too bad he’s not Hispanic. He’d have a better shot at staying here.

    • Jackie

      Racist much? The law applies to everyone, and for you to say that Hispanics are somehow more privalaged than a white male is just absurd.

      • WonkyTonk

        Couldn’t agree more. I swear the casual bs some people on here are spouting lately. Besides which the truth is as someone else noted he deserves to be deported, and never allowed back. His casual disdain for the law, and refusal to actually accept responsibility for his actions bring that on him. It would be one thing if he was contrite, and trying to make it right including his jail time, especially given the guy has been here his entire life and this culture is pretty much the majority of what he’s experienced, but he’s not, and the odds are he’ll only add slightly to the financial restitution, the bulk will probably come from his wife, I say good riddance deport him now in lieu of jail time save the money it’s going to cost to house and feed him.

  13. GildedLily

    As a convicted felon, would Italy even give Teresa permanent residency?

    • More Tea Please!

      Yes, as the daughter of two Italians she has access to Italian citizenship on her own.

    • tamaratattles

      Actually, Teresa’s criminal record would be problematic whether she tried to gain citizenship via either parental heritage or spousal privilege criminal records are considered and imprisonment for over a period of one year is a barrier to citizenship. She may have some wiggle room as she technically was not imprisoned for over a year, but her sentence was for more than a year. In addition, Teresa has I believe three years of supervised release to serve which would also cause her issues for even legally visiting beyond ninety days in one year. However, that will probably be over by the time Joe is released if she manages to complete it without incident.

  14. Someone needs to read the Forbes article to Bravo’s favorite felons.

  15. Lisaj

    Article X of the US and Italy extradition treaty does allow for the blocking of extradition on 4 grounds, one of them being a famous and powerful person. If I were Joe I’d pack my bags, have his brother drive him to Canada and fly to Italy most ricky tick. He’s not so stupid to not have considered this, Teresa has stated it OUT LOUD on a TV SHOW! Teresa loves the camera and her mirror more than Juicy so she’ll be just fine.

  16. tooclassyforyou

    Question: While incarcerated or prior to, could he apply for citizenship. Would this change the outcome?

  17. Twilly

    At some point these losers will have to pay a real price for their constant and flagrant crimes.

  18. Dawn

    I was just reading how none of the 7 prisoners we released in the agreement with Iran choose to go home. Most or all have dual citizenship, got early release dye to the pact, but didn’t one of them biard the plant back to Iran. Several are known to be with their families here is the US. They were most all convicted of crimes of giving military secrets and technology parts to be used against us. The original sentencing was only a few months. Something is terribly wrong. I understand it to mean the 7 are Scott free to live where they choose. This is not right! Compared to this, the Guidice’s are miniscule crooks.

    • Matzah60

      Amen! Therein lies one of many problems with dual citizenship. Those released are traitors to our country. Yet, Joe Guidice is small potatoes compared to these released US prisoners

    • tamaratattles

      Dawn, you need to either find more accurate sites or improve your reading comprehension. Of the 7 people released by the US government, SIX are US citizens and the seventh was extradited to the US for trial. At least three of them had not been convicted of anything and were charged and held awaiting trial. They were convicted of violating the TRADE EMBARGO that was in place against Iran until this week. If they did the exact same thing today it would not be a crime at all. They purchased technology and sent it to Iran for many things including water irrigation, maritime navigation, and a satellite. None of them were convicted of “giving military secrets and technology parts to be used against us.” That is ridiculous and ignorant. The reason the few that were sentenced has short sentences was BECAUSE THEY WERE VERY MINOR CRIMES. Unlike your miniscule crooks the Giudices, they didn’t STEAL anything. They didn’t DEFRAUD anyone. THey didn’t LIE TO THE BANKRUPTCY COURT. THey didn’t do anything except participate in the sale of items that is only illegal because of a political embargo.

      And yes, six of the seven are free to live their lives here just like any other AMERICAN CITIZEN. Just as the prisoners that Iran released are also FREE to live here.

      You are either misinformed, or ignorant or just Xenophobic like your friend Matzah who because the people involved have dual citizen ship means they are “traitors” to our country in her eyes. I’d like to point out your pal Joe Giudice IS NOT A CITIZEN O THIS COUNTRY.

      The level of Xenophobia is astounding with both of you. Do yourselves a favor and read a legitimate news site about the political situation between the US and Iran before you start turning on your fellow citizens and until and unless you are able to grasp the topic, please stop posting about it here. Ignorant rantings based on prejudice and/or misinformation are not welcome here.

      If you are looking to get your panties in a wad, you might consider directing your anger at your president who as part of the agreement is giving Iran FIFTY BILLION DOLLARS that they can use for whatever.

      • Dawn

        It is true, you can’t believe everything you read, apparently your source is better than mine that stated more specifics about the items sold. They were not all so benign. The actions these dual citizens, as I called them, took were illegal when they were charged. I was surprised this release of people in our jails, a concession for Iran, was not people that desire to live in Iran.

        I don’t care what country someone hails from, if you are doing something illegal in America, and especially for the benefit of a country costing us so much, and imprisoning US citizens for just being there, I’m not happy with you.

        I agree, YOUR president made a piss poor decision to give them 50 billion dollars. If it were up to me, billions would stop flowing out of here until we solve some of our serious issues that need funding. Kerry should be selling ketchup instead of US.

        You are very MISTAKEN that I have positive feelings toward the Guidices.

  19. Wampascat

    Tamara, pardon me if this has been stated before, but why is Joe not a U.S. Citizen? I know he was born in Italy and came here as a baby, but did his parents drop the ball on the paperwork, or what?

    • tamaratattles

      Apparently they never applied for citizenship for him. We are ASSUMING he has some legal residency status but he could be an illegal alien.

  20. Arrivederci! I immediately envisioned a horrible spin-off Bravo show: Andy Cohen pays Teresa and Joe to live in Italy. Joe and Teresa will pretend it’s voluntary and wonderful, spend Andy’s money like the pretentious fools they are, and attempt to present themselves as international socialites/celebrities. Teresa will stay until the money runs out. The poop in the pasta: Federal financial obligations just won’t go away.

  21. microop

    I mean if it is a strong possibility, they should just extradite him and be done with it. It costs tax payers money to have him in prison.

    • Kiyoshigirl

      f too wish we could send this fool somewhere else to pay for his crimes. it seems a bit of a double whammy that federal tax dollars will pay to feed, house and clothe him for 41 months, but if I’m not mistaken, extradition is a tool to demand the return of a criminal who has fled to another country. The U.S. wouldn’t extradite Gudice out of the U.S. They would extradite him back to the U.S. if he fled to Italy prior to serving his prison sentence. I think deportation might be the only way these fools will finally grasp the entirety of their crimes and lack of adapting to what should be a new standard of living.

      • tamaratattles

        See I think there is a good chance they would not bother to extradite him if he fled to Italy. I mean they COULD, but why? As you said, do we really want pay to extradite him and then to feed and house him for 41 months only to pay to ship him right back?

        Then again, we waste a lot of money on stupid things.

  22. TheBeverleyHillsHaveEyes

    Very interesting. I wonder do ICE take in to account factors like Joe’s parents both living in the US or the fact that he has spent virtually all of his life there and that Teresa may not be granted entry to Italy. I think Joe deserves deportation at this point. He has no regard for the laws of his adopted land. He completely abused the opportunity afforded to him to build a fabulous life in a country where people can prosper but instead he chose to scam and steal and to continually break the law with driving offenses etc. Even if Teresa were permitted to move to Italy I just can’t see her doing that. This may be the one thing that she won’t do for him. She won’t give up her life in the US or her parents.

  23. captain eel

    Unfortunately there are only so many years allotted each of us on this earth. If his father’s passing is any indication, Joe may not have much time left. Given the choice, would he not be better off as a street sweeper or dishwasher in the old country than face the uncertainty and potential violence of the American Federal Prison system? What price do we put on freedom, to not be confined? To Joe it may be priceless and worth taking the risk of fleeing to Italy. The thought of doing the time and then still be deported is a heavy burden to bare.

    • I can’t help but wonder if his decision to stay vs. flee is complicated by the fact that he has 4 children. At least he will still be able to see them during his incarceration.

  24. margroc

    I really wish I could see some of this moral outrage could be directed at the US bankers who created the whole mess in the first place. The criminal acts they committed nearly decimated the financial economies of many countries, yet the US, instead of punishing them, gave them 1 1/2 trillion dollar to clean up their mess. That is what really makes me sick. Where is the moral outrage for these people, who ended up walking away (some of them) with multi million $ bonuses. Yet everyone panties are in a knot over two reality tv stars that y’all just love to hate. SMH

  25. I don’t think it would take very much for him to get setup in Italy. Doesn’t anyone remember back in season two when the cast flew to Italy for a cruise then took a bus trip to the town that Teresa and Joe’s families were originally from? Both Teresa’s parents and Joe’s parents still owned homes in town. Teresa even pointed out which ones they were. They both had numerous family members there. Aunts uncles, cousins, Joe even had a grandmother still living. I got the impression that they and their parents made frequent visits back to Italy to visit the family. I think Carolyn even mentioned it. If both sets of parents still owned homes in this town then it probably stands to reason that they probably had more assets hidden a way in Italy. He could flee there and probably live out the rest of his life in one of those homes in relative comfort without even having to find a job. I’m not sure if Teresa would go with him or not especially as long as housewives is still on the air but then surely if he flees the country and remains a wanted criminal here in the states that would be the final nail in the coffin with their relationship with Bravo.

  26. Rose

    So I don’t even watch RHONJ but the whole court and jail swap thing fascinates me. This was a good recap. I wonder why he never became a citizen? I still feel for their kids in this whole mess. Be grateful for what you have and don’t get greedy.

  27. onamonapia

    Late to this thread- have one thing to add: Leelee- thank you for the broad history lesson of the southwest border. Unfortunately, as with most nations- borders change, sovereignty changes, etc. Time to live in the present.

    Also, you first state that the majority of this country is woefully ignorant of culture- then in another breath say you are astounded by ignorance – you see the irony of your statements, yes?

    Unless you have stats- as you should since you claim to be an anthropologist- then sweeping generalizations about an entire country would also be ignorant, yes?

  28. DennyLuvsDashies

    Question: Can Tre visit Jo in prison as a convicted felon?

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