A. Leonard Holland.
Q. And do you typically go by a different name?
A. Yes. I also go by the name of Shaheed.
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you have a different last name with that, or is it just Shaheed?
A. It is Shaheed Abdullah Rahman.
Q. What is the last part of that Shaheed —
A. Rahman, R-A-H-M-A-N.
Q. Okay. Got you. Thank you. And where are you today as we speak?
A. Currently housed at Smith State Prison.
Q. Now, when did you — I don’t want to get into any details about why you are there or anything like that. When did you first go into Smith State Prison?
A. Well, I was arrested in 2004; and I have been at Smith State Prison since 2009.
Q. Okay. And do you know my client in the case that I am interviewing you about? Her name is Angela Stanton. Do you know Ms. Stanton?
A. Yes, I know Ms. Stanton.
Q. Okay. Can you tell us just briefly how you know her?
A. Well, she is the mother of my daughter. She was my girlfriend at the time, so that’s how I know her.
Q. How long were y’all an item? How long were y’all boyfriend/girlfriend?
A. A long time, a year or two.
Q. Okay. What approximate timeframe? When was that? Do you know like around what years that was?
A. I think I met her like in ’02.
Q. Okay. Y’all dated for about —
A. So actually until I was incarcerated in ’04. So like two years, basically.
Q. Okay. And did you know that Ms. Stanton has written a book?
A. Yeah, I am aware of that.
Q. Have you read the book?
A. I have not read it myself. Just little excerpts I have seen. I have not read the whole book myself.
Q. Actually, that is a good thing because I want to be sure that you are not influenced subconsciously by something you might have read in the book.
Q. And have I offered you anything in exchange for you testifying today or agreed to make you any promises or anything like that?
A. Not at all, not at all.
Q. And you are willing to testify as to the truth of anything you might be aware of regarding the situation today?
A. Yes, definitely. As truthfully as I can possibly can be.
Q. So during the time that you met Ms. Stanton, did you know her to associate with someone named Phaedra Parks?
A. Yes, I am aware of Ms. Parks. I met Ms. Parks through Angie.
Q. And can you tell what was the first time you met Ms. Parks, what was that situation?
A. The first time I met Ms. Parks was she was referred to me from — by Angie because at the time I had a wife as well whose name was Kathy Evans. And she had an armed robbery case. So I do not know Phaedra, but Angie suggested she can represent her for that case. So I hired her to represent that case .
Q. Okay. So was Ms. Parks was your attorney or was the attorney of your former wife?
A. My wife, she was my wife’s attorney.
Q. Okay. And during the time you were dating Ms. Stanton, did you see Ms. Parks occasionally or frequently during that period?
A. Oh, yeah, on a couple of occasions I met with Ms. Parks just out and about, several times at her office as well.
Q. Okay. Do you remember where her office was, approximately?
A. I want to say like the down — like maybe downtown, 14th Street area like that. I don’t remember exactly, it has been a long time ago, as far as the specifics. But I know it was like downtown. I want to say the 14th Street area of Atlanta.
Q. Okay. And were you there for legal representation or were you there for other reasons?
A. Both. On occasion, maybe two times, I can remember specifically one, was to discuss the case with her. The other time was to bring her the money to represent my wife. And on another occasion it was just personal and just social.
Q. Okay. And you mentioned personal and social. During this period of time I guess I am curious as to whether Ms. Stanton’s relationship with Ms. Parks from your perspective was just a legal professional relationship or was it a friendship, or how would you characterize their relationship?
A. Well, I mean, you know, that was the — it was always, hey, I have a friend who is a lawyer. And so I know I first met her it was just introducing me to the lady. And I don’t want to get too personal; but I know that it is funny, she is known as a head doctor. She is very good at giving head. So I think she imparted that knowledge on my girlfriend. And we just laughed about that, and that’s how she got me to be her boyfriend.
Q. Okay. So did Ms. Parks say this to you, make those comments to you; or was that Angela telling —
A. What happened, Angie introduced her to me. She said this is the one who taught me everything I know. And I am like, oh, really, I just joked with her, I said, I might get you to be the teacher rather than the student. That was the conversation. We all laughed. It was a comfortable situation.
Q. Okay. So just a friendly kind of hanging out joking around?
Q. Okay. So a big topic in Angela’s book is she alleges that she was involved in some criminal enterprises with Ms. Parks.
Q. Do you have any firsthand knowledge as to that situation?
A. Well, when Angie mentioned to me that she was involved with the situation, I think my concern came with a guy named Everett — I know his name to be Everett Tripodis now because how I know that he is Everett Tripodis because he made some statements — when he got arrested, he made some statements to the police in regards to me being Angie’s like bodyguard. So that’s how I know him. But I only knew him as E. I didn’t know Everett and I didn’t know Tripodis. I just knew him as E. When she explained to me what their involvement, I told her that I wanted to be present. I wanted to make sure that she didn’t get a bad shake or nothing like that. So that’s when her — that’s when Angie, Everett, and Ms. Parks, we all — I didn’t call her Ms. Parks. I called her Phaedra. We all met. And 11 basically they were discussing their business, that car stuff, which was not my business at the time. I was just making sure that Angie didn’t get a bad shake.
Q. Okay. So tell me about this meeting. There was some meeting that took place and there was a discussion about some kind of scheme that was going to be carried out?
A. Oh, yeah, definitely. They had some type of thing where they would steal cars. I think Everett would steal the cars and Angela would go sell them. And the paperwork basically was provided by Ms. Parks. You know, she knew the ins and outs on what to do, I think like the titles and the paperwork for the titles. Ms. Parks had some kind of connection where she could get that information because you had to go get the keys. The way the scheme worked was, you would use I believe the title to go to the dealership to get the keys; and Ms. Parks was able to provide that information.
Q. Okay. And were you physically present in some meeting where they were discussing carrying out that situation?
A. Oh, yeah, clearly. I was there. I can’t remember how many; but, you know, more than two meetings I was there with all of us present where, you know, basically Phaedra was just mapping out how it was supposed to go. Everybody was participating in that, you know, what to do, what was needed, stuff like that.
Q. Did you personally witness Phaedra Parks instructing Ms. Stanton and Mr. Tripodis as to how to carry out this scheme?
A. Yes. I was actually there with Angie picking up some of the paperwork from Phaedra. I was there for that. I was privy to this knowledge because, of course, I was dealing with Angie. This was — Ms. Parks was a friend. So, you know, it was no problem, you know, having that done in front of me. I wasn’t an outsider.
Q. Right. So you saw Ms. Parks hand Ms. Stanton the — I guess it was fraudulent car titles?
A. Exactly, yeah, I was right there.
Q. And then did you — and you accompanied Ms. Stanton to make sure she was safe?
A. Yeah. Every time she met with the Everett guy, just making sure that she was okay. So I was there on more than one occasion. Not every occasion. I wasn’t there — it really wasn’t my scheme, but I knew of it and definitely was a participant on more than one occasion.
Q. Okay. Now, other than — I guess when Ms. Stanton was arrested, do you recall that day, what happened on that day she was arrested?
A. Yeah, I think that morning she went to –I believe Tennessee it was. I believe it was Tennessee, Alabama, one of them. I don’t know. She got arrested. And the guy E, he left her. And she was like 8, 7 months pregnant at the time; and the guy E left her. So when she called, I actually could hear the running and whatnot that was happening. So I immediately called the E guy — actually, there was another person, too. His name was RiRi. I don’t remember RiRi’s name. But he informed me that Angela had been arrested. Actually, she called me from the hospital chained to the bed, she called me, told me what happened. And I immediately called E, and I told him that he better not come back to Atlanta without Angie. So he went back. He went back to go get her. That’s when he was arrested at the hospital trying to get to her.
Q. Oh, wow, okay. Did you ever talk with Ms. Parks about this situation?
A. Well, once Angie got arrested, Phaedra kind of — well, you know, I know what I am about to tell you because I have been dealing this way, but a lot of times people shut down. They will stop answering calls once a person gets locked up. They just hold back because, of course, she is not supposed to be — Phaedra knows what is going on; but the workers, they take care of the business. They do the actual hands-on. Phaedra’s job was basically to provide legal support if need be, if anyone was arrested, and the paperwork. She had the hookups. She provided the paperwork, and then her — and Angie and E could carry out the work.
Q. Okay. Other than this situation, were you ever personally a witness to Ms. Parks being involved in any kind of criminal dealings?
A. Other than that, no. I mean, I couldn’t say because I am not trying to tell on Ms. Parks. I personally don’t have a problem with Ms. Parks. But I was made aware, I think, when Angie came home from prison the lady pretty much alienated her, acted like she was just too good to offend her. Whenever you are in a position when you need help, you call on your friends. But I understand Ms. Parks’ position. I mean, I understand. I am not angry with her for that. But, I mean, what happened is what happened. So…
Q. Okay. I think that’s about all the questions I had. Anything else that you can — that stands out in your mind when you think of Ms. Parks and Ms. Stanton’s relationship with her?
A. Yeah, well, like I said, I don’t — I am not trying to just throw dirt on Phaedra; but, I mean, I know that there were computers. There were different office products and things that sometimes Angie would go out and they had a little check thing going on, fraudulent checks and whatnot, that she would buy things from her. As a matter of fact, one thing I remember delivering a computer to her office, a desktop computer. So she definitely knew what was going on. I wasn’t mad about it, but she definitely knew it was going on. I was there. I actually witnessed paperwork from her given to Angie. And I looked at it. I saw it. I personally walked the computer in a box and dropped it off on her desk, laptop, stuff like that, so…
Q. And those were items that you had known had been bought through a false check?
A. Oh, yeah, definitely. That was the scheme. That was the money-maker back then, the checks, the false paperwork. Like I said, even with the car thing, it was just take — you know, take that information, those titles back to the dealership and the dealership with the ID would give you the actual car — I mean give you the key to that car. And then that key will go back to the dealerships and take the cars off the lot.
Q. Got you. All right. Well, I really do appreciate you taking some time to talk to me. If you think of anything else, you know my address and everything. So feel free to get in touch. And, again, I really do appreciate your time.
A. Okay. Not a problem. You have a good day, sir.
Q. All right. Thank you. You, too.