Tamara Tattles exclusively broke the story that Kim Zolciak’s mother was suing in court for grandparent visitation of Kim’s two daughters back in August. At the time I explained that under Georgia law Karen has some legal standing for visitation of the girls, but not the boys, because of their prior history and because they are not in a two biological parent household. Kim’s attorneys have filed a response asking that the judge throw out Karen’s motion and award Kim legal fees. The girls have both given affidavits saying, “We both love our grandparents, but due to their actions at the wedding of we have grown apart.”
All of this stems from Kim deciding that her mother would not be allowed to use the indoor plumbing at her former dream house during her wedding. Kim and her clan were since evicted from that home and have returned to Kim’s condo in Johns Creek. Kim and Karen have had no contact since the wedding in November of 2011 and Karen has not been allowed access to her grandchildren.
This is a sad situation for everyone and not one that the court should be required to intervene on. It seems to me that the kids should be encouraged to spend some time with their grandmother and Kim should not sway them to her side of the argument. Otherwise, she is teaching the girls how to treat her in the future. Kim and Karen are two peas in a pod.
The girls sworn statements deny Karen’s allegations that they are being forced to be on TV and indicate that they are not interested in visitation with their grandmother. Karen’s original filing stated, “ Plaintiff is seeking the right to regularly see her granddaughters, who are the daughters of Kim Zolciak Biermann, who is a star on “The Real Housewives of Atlanta. The girls live such a crazy, abnormal life being on T.V., they need a normal haven to relax and unwind and just be kids. Plaintiff was portrayed as a bad person on defendant’s show Don’t Be Tardy for the Wedding which featured defendant’s wedding to Kroy Biermann. In addition, plaintiff claims she has not seen defendant’s new baby since he was born.”
Legally, this is an iffy case that could go either way. From a simply human perspective, this case is extremely sad and I hope that the entire family can come to some sort of resolution independently of a court order.
I was just wondering what does Kim’s father & Kroy’s parents have to say about all of this since all I have read is Kim’s mom is suing does that mean the father agrees or is neutral…and one more question that has me puzzled is where is Kim’s brother? He has never been mentioned by the parents, Kim’s children or Kim herself..I don’t even remember Kim even saying he was at the wedding or in the wedding party. I know he exist there is a childhood pic of him in a family portrait. Tamara you do such a great job of giving us great info do you have any knowledge of the whereabouts of Kim’s brother I wold love to know why no one ever mentions him.
This is an interesting discussion with Whatever and others who have commented on Tamara’s post about Kim and her mother.
The examples involving having sex and getting pregnant are not relevant to the point I am making because I am referring to A SPECIFIC INCIDENT on a SPECIFIC DAY in a SPECIFIC YEAR. I am not extrapolating,.
No, I am not saying that a mother ‘should get over anything because she is a mother’. Certainly not. I said Karen’s behaviour was terrible and inappropriate. She did not have to act like that at her daughter’s wedding. She may have felt excluded from the preparations and therefore wanted to draw attention to herself as the mother of the bride. She clearly felt entitled to special treatment. Kim and Kroy’s reaction must have surprised her. I say SO WHAT? GET OVER IT. IT’S NOT THAT SERIOUS.
I have no doubt that Karen is very hard work.
Yes there are trifling mothers all over the place, but in this case I don’t think Karen fits into that category. She didn’t do anything, IMHO, that warrants permanent exclusion from her grandchildren’s lives.
To clarify, I am not considering mothers who kill, beat and drive their children off a bridge. That’s a different subject all together.I am only talking about ONE mother, Karen.
I think the entire situation is extremely petty. Kim could turn it around.
To bear a grudge when you have a thriving marriage with your loving husband, a brand new healthy baby, an adorable toddler and beautiful daughters is such a waste of time and energy.
It is a year later. Move on Kim. You only get one mother, however annoying she may be.
Let’s agree to disagree. I think Kim should allow and encourage her children to maintain a relationship with their grandmother even if she is “done.”
Btw, it’s encouraging to exchange discordant opinions over the internet without resorting to name calling, expletives or insults as would have happened on You Tube.
I am an enthusiastic British, Real Housewives fan, I enjoy RHNJ, RHOA and RHBH. NO-ONE amongst my family or circle of friends is remotely interested in the Real Housewives. I am delighted that Tamara Tattles created this forum.
welcome, Lydia! I’m glad you like the place. I must warn you, I do some name calling from time to time. But you have a very forgiving spirit so I think it will be okay.
Thank you Tamara. I appreciate the welcome.
It’s your platform so if you name call…,that’s OK. Without you, none of us would be here!
Yes, actually I do have a forgiving spirit. I just think, when you have as much good fortune in your life as Kim does, (currently) why tarnish it, by bearing a grudge?
Kim and her mother are two peas in a pod..
So glad to convene with other “invested” Real Housewives fans.
Thanks again, Tamara.
Lydia, I agree with you totally until you get to the part where Kim should just get over it. The problem I have with that is this… I keep thinking and have this deep gut feeling that there is a lot more to the Kim and Karen saga that meets the eye. I can’t believe that Kim would actually go as far as not letting Karen see the kids over the “bathroom wedding” thing. I think that the bathroom thing was maybe the icing on the proverbial wedding cake, and we haven’t seen or are not aware of all of the issues in their pasts. Now if it turns out that Kim was just being and acting like a lunatic, like she has been known to do….. I will revert and totally agree with you 100%!! Have a happy day!
I haven’t said much on this topic because it’s sad all the way around. But yes, the bathroom incident was the final straw. Kim and Karen have always had problems. They both drink too much, smoke, and want to be the center of attention. Where do you think Kim got the attention whore gene from in the first place? Kim is exactly like her mother just with more money and attention. This is a mother daughter personality clash between two grown women who both want to be the star. I hate to say it, but I see the cycle repeating itself in a decade or so. That is why I think it’s up to KIM to stop this now.
Sadly Kim will probably not grow up and be the bigger & better person.. Right now she has a brand new husband and 4 children she is concentrating on..In past RHOA shows there were a few times where her parents were shown, or at least you could hear their voices and the conversations were always about the parents babysitting when Kim had to go somewhere for the show, or for pleasure.. Could be Kim doesn’t need a babysitter anymore?She has nanny’s now… There are and could be so many many scenarios about why their relationship is so messed up… we all would go nuttier than her trying to figure it out..
OH BTW!!! Can you see the smoke coming out of my ears??? LOL! What does smoking have to do with anything? That came up earlier in a conversation and I didn’t understand it then… unless we are not talking about regular cigarettes here.. LOL! I am a former smoker and I never understood why people would judge a person because they smoked.. To me its a personal choice… a stupid choice but still a personal one… Please.. I don’t want to get into the second hand smoke thing.. we could be here forever!
Other than that I agree with you….
I mentioned smoking because it was brought up about Karen but not Kim (that I saw) so if that was one of the “issues”… I was just pointing out they both have the same vices…
Hi Donna
I agree with you too. There is definitely more to that relationship than we saw on the episodes. Karen probably pushed Kim right over the edge with her antics at the wedding. I think she wanted to share the spotlight and assert her position as Mother of the Bride. If their relationship was better, she might have been given special privileges, but Kim treated her as an ordinary guest.
It’s clear that there has been conflicts and clashes between them for years. This is not unusual in a mother daughter relationship. They operate in the same way and share similar attributes and shortcomings.
BUT.
I still think that after an action packed year including:
falling out with Kendra Davis
moving from the ‘dream house’
Sweetiegate
pregnancy, labour pains and child birth,
welcoming her new son
a fabulous wedding, fit for a bona fide celebrity (with talents and skills)
stability and contentment.
Why is she still holding a grudge? Really?
As Keisha in Basketball Wives would say, ‘that’s so sad’.
Yes, I think she needs to move on.
Right. It was Kim’s dramatic ass who said it to TMZ. Not you it was Le trash.
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Kim Zolciak to Judge — My Mom is an Unfit Grandparent
Edited to remove link to site that stole my story without credit.
POINT OF CLARIFICATION (AGAIN) I have edited the link to the site which stole my exclusive on this story. Secondly, Kim has made no comment at all to any website about this legal matter. Just because a site posts a DRAMATIC HEADLINE doesn’t make it true. Perhaps your comments would be better received on the site with the “story” you continue to want to discuss.
Le Trash x’s 2
If my mother told my Husband to “f-off” on my Wedding Day. Forget about it, it’s over! I am sure there is much more going on for Kim to make this decision. It took a couple of years for me to wise up and cut off a family member… so I have a feeling this was probably a long time coming.
Can someone please answer this question? Why did Karen have to go upstairs? Surely there were other bathrooms on the 1st floor of that humongous house? She did it out of spite, pure and simple traipsing upstairs disregarding the wishes of her daughter and husband in their own home. Then she was even more disrespectful to the man of the house cursing him out. I don’t know if it’s fair to keep the girls away from their grandmother or not but most mothers would not be so disrespectful to their children either.
Karen did not have to go upstairs to the bathroom. She obviously knew where all the bathrooms were. She was trying to get away from the security guard and she probably going to show her sister around. The fact is Kim told the guard not to let her mother in the house. Kim said she told her family they could not come into the house. We didn’t see that part of the footage. Kim also told her mother that Colin Cowie wasn’t coming for the wedding tasting. We all know that was a lie. Based on the footage, Karen was being disrespectful. Karen and Kim have a 34 year plus relationship and we are trying reduce it to an 8 episode edited reality show!! I might have a different perspective if Karen had stood up in the middle of the wedding and disrupted the service. Regardless, based on the show, I don’t feel that there is any reason why Karen should not be allowed to see her two oldest grandchildren once in a while. It really doesn’t take that much. Kim has a personal assist and nanny that could take those children to see their grandparents for 30 minutes to an hour. This happened almost a year ago!! kim is using those children to punish her mother!!
Kim is a piece of shit. i’m sorry but anyone who thinks this is remotely ok has serious issues going on. she’s been tolerating her mother all this time and all of a sudden when she spreads her legs for a new meal ticket her mother is dispensable? please. her kids say theyre TOO BUSY to spend time with their grandmother? tf? i wish my black ass would tell my grandmother something like that. jesus lord, where has the world gone. my grandmother died when i was 13. you will never get another grandmother or mother. this shit is so petty!!
All I can say is……maybe Kim’s marriage will last and be healthy or (as many predict) maybe once the cute babies are grown and once the NFL$$$ could stop rolling in….who will ALWAYS and HAS ALWAYS been there for Kim? Her parents – always. This marriage happened too fast, the babies happened too fast and the jury is out on how true and steadfast this marriage will be, it’s staying power thru sickness/health/loss of big$$. I would hope that Kim and Kroy would teach the importance of grandparents and family no matter how many problems arise. No perfect family exists, Kim.
Her parent’s won’t always be there. What happens when they die? Then who will she turn to if her marriage doesn’t work? Oh, I know, she’ll have to turn to and rely on herself. Which is what she’s trying to do now.
To Whatever.
I disagree with almost everything you’ve written.
In my view, one day last year is not relevant to how things should progress in the future. If Karen apologises to Kim and Kroy for her terrible behaviour at the wedding, can everyone get over this and move on?
Yes, Karen was rude and inappropriate to them in their house, on their wedding day, in front of cameras, etc BUT the marriage is in tact, there is a new addition to the family and everyone has moved on. ONE DAY should not determine everyone’s future.
Maybe Karen has alcohol problems. Maybe she is jealous of Kim’s good fortune. Kim is shallow, hypocritical and dismissive, perhaps she learned it from her mother! Regardless of everyone’s faults or shortcomings, this does not excuse the fact that Karen IS and WILL ALWAYS BE Kim’s mother.
Will Kroy always be Kim’s husband? Let’s hope so.
I think it is extremely petty to hold a grudge over what happened last year. Yes, Kim is breaking her mother’s heart by cutting her off so brutally. Grandparents often have a closer bond with their grandchildren than their own children. Kim and Kroy are mean to deny the girls this privilege.
If THEY dislike Karen and her antics, that’s fine but the children will benefit from having a relationship with their grandparents. They should not be drawn into an argument which does not affect them directly.
Also, it is not unusual for inlaws to clash. Son in law V mother in law,Daughter V mother in law etc. They just need to get over it and move on. It is not that serious.
ps. If Kim’s heart was broken on her wedding day, I think it’s safe to assume that she is OK now.
Lots of people do things in one day that affects them for the rest of their lives. Some people have sex and get pregnant by mistake and have to deal with a child for the rest of their lives. Some have sex and get AIDS and have to deal with it for the rest of their lives. Some people commit murder, rape, and other crimes one day and have to sit in jail for the rest of their lives. So yes, one bad decision you made in ONE day CAN affect the rest of your life. That’s why normal people don’t act up. For Karen this was not one day that got her booted from Kim/the girls lives. It was an accumulation of stuff Karen has done. The wedding incident was the straw that broke the camel’s back. They had had enough. Can’t someone say “enough!” You’re giving off the impression that a mother should get her way no matter what simply because she is a mother. That’s not true. There are trifling mothers all over the place. What about mothers who beat, kill, and drive their children off a bridge? Should those mothers have the right to their children? No. Those children should be taken from those mothers because those mothers don’t have their children’s best interest at heart. A mother is not a mother if she can’t refrain from mentally, physically, emotionally, etc. abusing her children or someone else’s children, and that type of mother does not deserve to be around her children or anyone else’s children. Karen has every intention on taking those girls and brainwashing them against Kim and Kroy. She’s not fooling anyone. She’s mad that Kim no longer needs her and has found a man who will step up to the plate and treat Kim and the girls the way they are supposed to be treated. I know Kim is no angel, but she finally found a man who loves her despite that. The girls want Kroy there and Karen should not interfere with that. He’s not doing anything bad to them. If Kim were my daughter and she brought home Kroy, I’d be jumping for joy that a good man was wiling to marry my daughter despite her past. Karen had the chance to be part of the girl’s lives and she threw it away in ONE day. Karen was having the time of her life when she did that stuff to Kim and Kroy on their wedding day and now she realizes she can’t afford to pay for the actions that SHE put out. Her mouth wrote a bunch of checks that day that her ass will never be able to cash.
Thank you, I was hoping someone would get it! I could spot the type of emotionally manipulative mother Kim’s mom was immediately because I have one just like her! And it’s not just the events of the wedding, it was a cumalitive of all the incidents and behaviour. Having a mother who wants to wear a slutty inappropiate dress on her daughters day? Check, I got that. Nothing you do is good enough, but when you have some measure of success, you are considered acting high and mighty? Yep, been there got the tshirt! Mother jealous of the good man you’ve got? Uhuh, got the hubby with the verbal scars from mine! Finally move on and say enough is enough? Yup got the grandkids who hate their grandma bc all she does is tear down their mom and dad! So anyone on here whining about, it’s just one day and you only have one mother, well bully for you, that you’ve sailed under a special fucking banner with Mother of the Year! You’ve never had a mother get so drunk; on your anniversary trip to Vegas with your hubby, after paying for a ticket for her to come along as well and asking for one night alone with said hubby to have dinner and dancing; to get called by your hotels security! Kim you are not exactly my fave person but I recognized your mom a mile away!
Love or hate Kim, they are still her children and she has the right to let her children see or not see their grandmother. Some grandmothers can be toxic!! I know my mother was..but that’s another story and another day..I know I will probably be bashed for this.. (bring it on) LOL! But…. I think that Kim’s mother got her 10 minutes of fame on “Dont be tardy for the wedding” and she liked it.. People do strange things in front of and for the cameras. Personally I think what her mother did with the bathroom thing on her wedding day was WAYYY overdone.. Just for the cameras maybe, or to show people she is the brides mother and she can do whatever the hell she wants? Either way it was wrong..
I think that there is a lot more to Kim and her mothers story… who knows what the relationship was like before Kim even started on the Housewives? It looks like she was a lot closer to her father than her mother… To me her mother acts like she coo coo for coco puffs!
Regarding your question to me on my response; the answer is no. Those things don’t necessarily exclude a person from being an adequate mother but guess what those things doesn’t exclude a person from being a GOOD grandmother either.
Karen’s behavior is no worse than Kim’s. In the article Tamara posted Kim accused Karen of being UNFIT for having the gall to use foul language toward Kroy and to blatantly refuse to use a public toilet. If those things make her unfit then surely bringing men dressed as women in tights and hooker heels to the house around the girls on a constant basis is too.
These trannies that Kim bring home curse and/with Kim no matter which child of hers is in the room. And yes they drink and do the others things in the children’s presence. Why doesn’t what Kim does and those who she surrounds herself with make her unfit?
She can’t logically say Karen is wrong when she herself is/was in the wrong too. Having two sets of standards – One for yourself and everyone else and a different one for grandma – is highly hypocritical. The court of public opinion won’t stand for it.
Well scratch that: you can if you are a spread your legs for money, wig wearing hypocrite with fans that are as backwards thinking and scattered brained as the culprit.
POINT OF CLARIFICATION: I did not state that Kim accused Karen of being an unfit grandparent, nor did I reference any article making such a claim. Please be sure you are discussing the blog at hand and not some dramatic headline you read somewhere else. I have seen no evidence that such a term was used in any court action. Thanks.
I agree with you about the fact that neither Kim or Karen are the ideal mother & grandmother. The difference is this….. KIM is the kids mother. She has all the say so. She decides who her children can and cannot see (unless the courts step in, which I don’t think they will) I really think that the problems that Kim and her mother have are not JUST about Karen’s actions at the wedding. I think their problems go back a long way..I also think Karen likes the cameras and all the hoopla that goes along with it, and since Kim is not speaking to her, that maybe just maybe she filed this petition to get back into the limelight… Hey, people have done a lot less to get their 10 minutes of fame…
Kim is ruthless. She is being short-sighted. You only get one mother. Whether she drives you crazy or is a living angel, we only get one. Divorces happen all the time. Let’s hope that Kim’s marriage lasts til death do they part, but who knows?.
Kim if you are reading this: Get over yourself. Encourage and allow your children to see their grandparents, particularly their grandmother. They should not be pawns in your quarrel. You are breaking your mother’s heart.
When your children are older, they will model the pattern YOU have taught them. Beware, you might find yourself CUT out of their lives in 20 years time.
Kim is breaking her mother’s heart? Don’t you think Kim’s heart was broken on her wedding day when her mother told Kroy “F you” to his face, in his own house, on camera, in front of guests? Just because you are someone’s mother does not give you the right to act like a drunk 16 year old with your sister in someone else’s house on their wedding day. It was Kim’s wedding day. What she says, goes. Who the heck acts like this on someone else’s wedding day. It was ONE day out of Kim’s life where she could have the whole day be about her and Karen could not handle that. Karen “demands” respect and that’s why she doesn’t get any. You can’t sue to see someone else’s kids. She didn’t birth those kids. Who cares if she helped Kim in the past with the girls. That’s what a mother does for her child when they are in need. And Karen should not throw that in Kim’s face. Why woud you want to throw shade to your own daughter? That just shows how petty she is. She needs to sit down somewhere and realize these aren’t her kids or her life. If she want’s to see those kids, she better adhere to Kim’s rules, which is so simply not act like a drunk lunatic in front of people. Is that too much to ask? Do you see Kroy’s mother acting like this? We know she doesn’t like Kim, but she has enough class to keep quiet about it because being in her son’s and grandkid’s life is more important than showing her ass.
Kim showed how ratchet she was in every scene with her mother. Kim herself has a drinking/smoking problem and was/maybe still is a paid side piece to boot. She sold her hole for money. It’s unreasonable that she thinks that she should protect her daughters from their unfit grandmother and not exclude herself from them for being just as unfit. That would be hypocritical to the highest degree. But then again that describes Kim to the t..
Anon… what does smoking have to do with being a good mother?You said Kim has a Drinking/ Smoking problem… and how do you know this? Do you know Kim personally? or maybe you got that from watching the show..(in which editing has occurred?) I agree that IF she has a drinking problem and it interferes with her motherly duties, then that could be a problem and some might label her a bad mother. Also, lets just say for argument sake that Kim did (as you said it) “sold her hole for money” does that automatically make her a bad person or mother?Maybe its her way of trying to support her kids? Does being a stripper for money make anyone a bad person or bad mother? Yes, Kim is very materialistic but the last time I checked being materialistic does not make a bad mother. or does it???? I hope this doesn’t come across as an attack Anon because that is certainly not my intention. I just think that we (including me) draw our opinions from watching a show that is edited to make one person or another the bad guy…and beside that… I love a good debate!!!
I feel that the girls are happy with Kroy. And I think Karen is jealous of their relationship with Kroy. They finally have a father. Why does Karen want to mess that up for them by trying to pull them away to be with her whenever she wants? The girls are happy. Why is Karen all of a sudden so concerned about her grandchildren anyway? She was not concerned when her and her sister went upstairs to use the bathroom and woke up KJ. She was not in the least bit concerned about that baby. She was only concerned with having her way. If she did that to a baby, imagine how she treats the older girls. I hope going upstairs to use the bathroom was worth it because it cost her her grandchildren. You can’t treat people like that in their own homes. Even if it is your daughter’s home.
I think the kids had normal relationship with their grandparents before Kroy and that should continue. I think everyone should be happy that the kids love Kroy and Kroy loves them, but they still have grandparents and why wouldnt’ they want to spend time with them? I’m 40 and I still get on that plane to go to my grannies…why wouldnt’ these kids?
So what? This is so trivial. Using a bathroom inside a rented house? Waking up a baby on one day LAST YEAR? How does this compare with 15 years of a close relationship between grandchildren and their biological grandparents?
There is no correlation.
Yes, Kroy is their new and shiny stepfather. Granted he is a kind and loving step father, BUT he has only been in their lives for three years. This is a mountain in a molehill. A bit of maturity and common sense (on Kim’s part) could turn this whole situation around.
lydia : not even 3 years yet. Kim met Kroy in May 2010.
Go Kroy Go!
BTW i really don’t want her back on my TV no where, not her show and for sho not on RHOA..
who cares about this gold digger she’s going to continue to get her karma, that’s why her and Kroy are living in big papa’s house. lOL
I was hoping Kim would find a way to make peace and send those children to see their grandparents, regardless of how she feels, but I guess that is not going to happen. The wedding happened in November 2011. Karen has been in their lives up until that point. The children said what Kim wanted them to say! You thing the RHOJ family drama is bad, this is way worse. Nothing good will come out of this!!
Kim throws everyone away, once they no longer serve her purpose.